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Maybe the rumor of Mercedes using oil burning to boost speed during qualifying is not true. Then maybe Ferrari has also learned how to use it. I speculate the start of the Ferrari dominance. Sebastian Vettel with a good and balanced car in qualifying will seldom lose during race day. This season will start to look like his days in Redbull for Sebastian.

Some F1 NEWS

McLaren racing director Eric Boullier has rejected the claim from former Formula 1 team owner and current TV pundit Eddie Jordan that a deal has been struck to return to Mercedes engines for the 2018 season. McLaren ended its long-running partnership with Mercedes at the end of 2014 in favour of rekindling its famed partnership with Honda from the 1980s and early '90s, only for on-track results to take a hit amid ongoing reliability and performance issues. McLaren has been linked with a return to Mercedes power units for 2018 as its partnership with Honda remains strained, with Jordan claiming in Channel 4's coverage ahead of Russian Grand Prix qualifying that a deal has already been agreed.


What from this is true or false we will find out in next couple of week but evidently Honda is not that dominate power like in late 80s and early 90s

I hope he can win Indy 500. He said in press release that he will re-attempt Indy 500 again next year if this year he can't win (which is almost impossible). He will aim for triple crown (holding Lemans 24h, Indy 500 and F1 title)

Full Qualifying results for the Russian Grand Prix at the Sochi Autodrom, Round 4 of the 2017 Formula 1 World Championship. 

1. Sebastian Vettel    GER   Ferrari - Ferrari    1m 33.194s 
2. Kimi Raikkonen    FIN   Ferrari - Ferrari    1m 33.253s 
3. Valtteri Bottas    FIN   Mercedes - Mercedes   1m 33.289s 
4. Lewis Hamilton    GBR   Mercedes - Mercedes   1m 33.767s 
5. Daniel Ricciardo AUS   Red Bull - TAG    1m 34.905s 

6. Felipe Massa    BRA   Williams - Mercedes    1m 35.110s 
7. Max Verstappen NED   Red Bull - TAG    1m 35.161s 
8. Nico Hulkenberg    GER   Renault - Renault    1m 35.285s 
9. Sergio Perez    MEX   Force India-Mercedes   1m 35.337s 
10. Esteban Ocon    FRA   Force India-Mercedes   1m 35.430s 

11. Carlos Sainz    ESP   Toro Rosso-Renault    1m 37.164s * 
12. Lance Stroll    CAN   Williams - Mercedes    1m 36.649s 
13. Daniil Kvyat    RUS   Toro Rosso-Renault    1m 36.846s 
14. Kevin Magnussen DEN   Haas-Ferrari    1m 36.619s 
15. Fernando Alonso    ESP   McLaren-Honda    1m 36.869s 

16. Jolyon Palmer    GBR   Renault - Renault    1m 36.462s 
17. Stoffel Vandoorne   BEL   McLaren-Honda    1m 37.070s ** 
18. Marcus Ericsson    SWE   Sauber - Ferrari    1m 37.332s 
19. Pascal Wehrlein    GER   Sauber - Ferrari    1m 37.507s 
20. Romain Grosjean FRA   Haas-Ferrari    1m 41.480s

^ Agreed.  But it still makes me wish I made a bet on Vettel to be on pole at qualifying.  There was a line up to almost 6.00 on him.  Didn't pull the trigger tho.  I had some straight losses in the UFC and the EPL last weekend and during the midweek fixtures.

Anyway here's the FP3 timesheet.  Quali is going on now too.

FP3 Timesheet:

1 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1:34.001
2 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1:34.338 0.337
3 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1:34.364 0.363
4 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:34.542 0.541
5 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1:35.452 1.451
6 Felipe Massa Williams 1:35.471 1.47
7 Nico Hulkenberg Renault Sport 1:35.662 1.661
8 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 1:35.830 1.829
9 Carlos Sainz Toro Rosso 1:36.164 2.163
10 Kevin Magnussen Haas 1:36.556 2.555
11 Lance Stroll Williams 1:36.649 2.648
12 Esteban Ocon Force India 1:36.676 2.675
13 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso 1:36.846 2.845
14 Fernando Alonso McLaren 1:36.869 2.868
15 Sergio Perez Force India 1:36.962 2.961
16 Romain Grosjean Haas 1:37.164 3.163
17 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren 1:37.182 3.181
18 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 1:37.503 3.502
19 Pascal Wehrlein Sauber 1:37.657 3.656
20 Jolyon Palmer Renault Sport no time

Edit:  Q2 just ended.  Bottas is first followed by Raikonnen then Hamilton for the top three.  Hmmm...  

Edit:  And it's a Ferrari one - two with Vettel and Raikonnen in the front line tomorrow!  Will post official results of quali as soon as its posted online.

Edit:  Thanks to Dux for posting below.    Ferrari is no hype.

From all result seem this will be Ferrari track to win for Kimi or Vettel, from this so far. But i will not underestimate anyone here think we will see maybe big difference in this race b y all drivers and teams.

This is kinda late, sorry, I was expecting for ciccio to post the further updates for the rest of the practice sessions.  Anyway here's the results for FP2.  FP3 will be on soon.

FP2 timesheet:

1 Vettel 1:34.120
2 Raikkonen +0.263s
3 Bottas 0.670s
4 Hamilton 0.709
5 Verstappen 1.420
6 Ricciardo 1.790
7 Massa 2.141
8 Hulkenberg 2.209
9 Magnussen 2.386
10 Perez 2.480
11 Ocon 2.534
12 Alonso 2.645
13 Palmer 2.651
14 Grosjean 2.919
15 Sainz 2.963
16 Vandoorne 3.005
17 Kvyat 3.180
18 Wehrlein 3.321
19 Stroll 3.627
20 Ericsson 3.699

How true are the rumors that Mercedes is having problems with pace for this grand prix? Also, how could that be true if nothing big has changed since the race at Bahrain? Maybe Toto Wolff is playing mind games to give Sebastian Vettel false confidence during qualifying.

Im looking forward Fernando Alonso's Indycar venture. He has been scammed again by his team delivering him a car that looks great, but performs like a GP car. So he got tired of the bullshit and now he's going to try to achieve things outside of Formula 1. Im looking forward to this more than F1. Alonso is one of the best pilots if not the best in F1 and he is not performing due the car.

First free practice of F1 Gp of Russia:

Pos.     Driver             Team          Gap     Timt         laps      

1   Kimi Raikkonen     Ferrari              1'36"074   19   
2   Valtteri Bottas     Mercedes   +00"045   1'36"119   24   
3   Lewis Hamilton     Mercedes   +00"607   1'36"681   23   
4   Max Verstappen     Red Bull   +01"100   1'37"174   19   
5   Sebastian Vettel  Ferrari   +01"156   1'37"230   19   
6   Daniel Ricciardo  Red Bull   +01"216   1'37"290   19   
7   Sergio PerezForce India   +01"383   1'37"457   29   
8   Felipe Massa     Williams   +01"826   1'37"900   29   
9   Lance Stroll     Williams   +01"870   1'37"944   30   
10   Esteban Ocon Force India   +01"991   1'38"065   28   
11   Daniil Kvyat   Toro Rosso    +02"422   1'38"496   17   
12   Kevin Magnusse Haas           +02"673   1'38"747   23   
13   Fernando Alonso     McLaren   +02"739   1'38"813   16   
14   Carlos Sainz  Toro Rosso   +02"902   1'38"976   17   
15   Jolyon Palmer     Renault   +03"084   1'39"158   16   
16   Romain Grosjean  Haas       +03"459   1'39"533   17   
17   Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren   +03"467   1'39"541   19   
18   Pascal Wehrlein     Sauber   +03"657   1'39"731   21   
19   Marcus Ericsson     Sauber   +04"005   1'40"079   20   
20   Sergey Sirotkin     Renault   No time               2


Also confirmed in Russia the values of the first three races: head to head between Ferrari and Mercedes, slightly behind the Red Bull

Motogp standings after 3 races:

Rossi        56
Vinales     50
Marquez   38
Dovizioso  30
Crutchlow 29
Pedrosa    27
Zarco       22
Folger      21
Redding   21
Miller       21
Petrucci   17
Bautista   14
Lorenzo    12

Yes, with these premises the European races will be very entertaining.
Congratulations to Valentino Rossi (38 years old), he is always competitive.
He deserves to win the 10th world championship in his career.

Rumors has been going around that Mercedes has been 'burning oil' to boost speed and give them an edge in qualifying.  In fact Red Bull raised this concern over to the FIA and the latter vowed to clamp down on its use.  But when?  Until they finally get to the bottom of it expect Hamilton or Bottas to have the edge over the rest at Q3 in every event.

Anyway, it's another racing weekend (thank God).  This time in Russia.  Let's see how the colder temperatures affect the teams.  Especially Ferrari which have been doing better in warmer climates.

The Russian GP Timetable
All times are local (Russia is GMT +3)

Thursday 27 April
15:00 – 16:00: FIA press conference
15:50 – 17:45: F1 drivers’ autograph session

Friday 28 April
11:00 – 12:30: First free practice
15:00 – 16:30: Second free practice
17:00 – 18:00: FIA press conference

Saturday 29 April
9:00 – 9:45: Team pit stop practice
12:00 – 13:00: Third free practice
15:00 – 16:00: Qualifying
16:00: FIA post-qualifying press conference

Sunday 30 April
10:20 – 11:20: F1 drivers’ autograph session
13:30: Drivers’ track parade
13:45 – 14:15: Starting grid presentation
14:46: National anthem
15:00 – 17:00: Russian GP
17:00: FIA post-race press conference


2017 Russian Grand Prix | F1 Fast Facts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XOAFdf0XSo

Enjoy!  

Reading some reports right now and at first didnt know for what was Rossi given a penalty but i saw it just now this 0.3 sec of penalty is funny but in this case should be punished and Zarco but this is racing and in motosport they will go pass that while line all the time but this one is very funny decision. Never the less great performance from Marques this is surely his track and can be said other to him good for championship race that he won and reduce the gap now when they start racing in Europe really fun begins.

final result race Red Bull Grand Prix of The Americas Circuit Of The Americas United States

1   Marc MARQUEZ   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   157.9   43'58.770
2   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   157.7   +3.069
3   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   157.6   +5.112
4   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   LCR Honda      Honda   157.4   +7.638
5   Johann ZARCO   FRA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   157.4   +7.957
6   DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Ducati Team      Ducati   157.1   +14.058
7   Andrea IANNONE   ITA   Team SUZUKI ECSTAR   Suzuki   157.0   +15.491
8   Danilo PETRUCCI   ITA   OCTO Pramac Racing   Ducati   156.9   +16.772
9   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Ducati Team      Ducati   156.8   +17.979
10   Jack MILLER   AUS   EG 0,0 Marc VDS      Honda   156.8   +18.494
11   Jonas FOLGER   GER   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   156.8   +18.903
12   Scott REDDING   GBR   OCTO Pramac Racing   Ducati   156.2   +28.735
13   Tito RABAT   SPA   EG 0,0 Marc VDS      Honda   156.1   +30.041
14   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Reale Avintia Racing   Ducati   156.0   +31.364
15   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   Pull&Bear Aspar Team   Ducati   154.0   +1'06.547
16   Bradley SMITH   GBR   Red Bull KTM Racing   KTM   153.1   +1'22.090
17   Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA   Aprilia Team Gresini   Aprilia   137.4   2 Laps
Not Classified
      22   Sam LOWES   GBR   Aprilia Racing Team Gresini   Aprilia   153.9   10 Laps
      44   Pol ESPARGARO   SPA   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing   KTM   150.1   12 Laps
      76   Loris BAZ   FRA   Reale Avintia Racing   Ducati   155.8   13 Laps
      25   Maverick VIÑALES   SPA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   155.7   20 Laps
      17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Pull&Bear Aspar Team   Ducati   150.6   20 Laps

As expected marques took pole this is his track and he should use this to win the race.

Full qualifying results for Red Bull Grand Prix of The Americas Circuit Of The Americas United States

1.   Marc Marquez   ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   2m 2.741s [Lap 7/7]   333km/h (Top Speed)
2.   Maverick Viñales   ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   2m 2.871s +0.130s   [7/7]   336km/h
3.   Valentino Rossi   ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   2m 3.673s +0.932s   [7/7]   336km/h
4.   Dani Pedrosa   ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   2m 3.866s +1.125s   [7/7]   344km/h
5.   Johann Zarco   FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   2m 3.928s +1.187s   [6/6]   335km/h
6.   Jorge Lorenzo   ESP Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   2m 4.151s +1.410s   [5/6]   342km/h
7.   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   2m 4.431s +1.690s   [3/7]   340km/h
8.   Jonas Folger   GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   2m 4.623s +1.882s   [3/7]   335km/h
9.   Cal Crutchlow   GBR LCR Honda (RC213V)   2m 4.661s +1.920s   [3/5]   333km/h
10.   Scott Redding   GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   2m 4.673s +1.932s   [6/7]   339km/h
11.   Andrea Iannone   ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   2m 5.741s +3.000s   [5/6]   334km/h
12.   Jack Miller   AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   2m 5.970s +3.229s   [4/5]   337km/h
13.   Danilo Petrucci   ITA Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17)   2m 05.221s 341km/h   
14.   Loris Baz   FRA Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15)   2m 05.231s 332km/h   
15.   Hector Barbera   ESP Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   2m 05.541s 339km/h   
16.   Tito Rabat   ESP Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   2m 05.920s 335km/h   
17.   Karel Abraham   CZE Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP15)   2m 05.931s 339km/h   
18.   Bradley Smith   GBR Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   2m 06.258s 328km/h   
19.   Alvaro Bautista   ESP Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP16)   2m 06.295s 338km/h   
20.   Sam Lowes   GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)*   2m 07.232s 325km/h   
21.   Pol Espargaro   ESP Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   2m 07.601s 329km/h   
22.   Aleix Espargaro   ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   No Time

in america series, honda is very competitive
you can see result pedroasa in free practice 1 - 4 is good too, in Fp4 repsol honda is one two, first marques and secondplaced pedrosa
but i think this race can batle win beetween marques vs vinales

I agree with you this is maybe last opportunity for Honda to win if they lose or both drivers fall then i can say that this season is over for them. I will go for win on Marques and will test my luck on this race, expect to see them battle all the way.

He may be favorite but remember that both Hondas got crashes and i just hope they will finish the race and if we look at statistics they marques have big change for win.

Who will win the gp of Americas?

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Pedrosa   @20.00
Lorenzo   @25.00

Marquez has always won in the United States and must win to retrieve points in the standings. He is the big favorite