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I'm wondering about potential changes for top teams except Red Bull next season. I'm excluding Red Bul from this because it is already obvious how strong they will be. Grin

Who knows maybe McLaren can attack really hard against Mercedes and Ferrari this time and manage to be the second most powerful team in the sport.

I would love to see Norris having a car as fast as the cars of those teams to see his performance at equal standards. He is one of the most talented drivers on the grid now.

Aston Martin started the last season really strongly - especially Alonso. But it didn't take them too long to start going down. I wonder how consistent they will be next season.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 13, 2023, 06:26:25 PM

Ferrari announced a new car for 2024.

It will be not a progression of the 2023 car as usually happens.

It will be a new brand project.

I hope ferrari's new car has improved a lot so that it can be fast on the track. and can compete evenly with the powerful redbull car.
The competition if only the winners in one redbull team is not good to enjoy and very boring to watch.
What's more there is no point competition in the world championship because the point gap is always far away.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 13, 2023, 06:26:25 PM

Ferrari announced a new car for 2024.

It will be not a progression of the 2023 car as usually happens.

It will be a new brand project.

The launch of a new car that will be displayed by Ferrari next year has many fans waiting to see how it will perform in the next season. Rumors say that the new car will feature more efficiency, a stronger chassis, and many other things that were removed from the previous SF-23 car to improve its performance. And the Ferrari team even said that this car was a revolution, where the team replaced 95% of the components of the car which made it a "brand new car" whose performance could possibly rival the Red Bull car. I'm pretty excited to see how Ferrari's new car performs, let's see if it lives up to what they say or not.

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Quote from: kro55 on December 20, 2023, 10:48:15 AM

Well at the end of the day, every person is going to be biased to some degree. And the decision of every person is going to be influenced by some things one way or another.

Anyway, I think you are right. Of course, there is a reason for him to want to stay with Ducati. And for him, it is the right decision, at least in my opinion. But we have to wait and see if this actually works out or not. Isn't it better for Ducati as well?

This will indeed be much better for Ducati because the Ducati factory can have more references from the three satellite teams they have like this season. Likewise with next season and the following season because Ducati will not be so difficult to make improvements to their motorbikes in each season, while Asian manufacturers are always several steps behind in that regard so they are starting to find it difficult to compete with European manufacturers, especially with Ducati.

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Quote from: Davian144 on December 19, 2023, 05:36:02 PM

Uccio himself a few days ago also expressed his desire to stay at Ducati until 2026 by taking advantage of Ducati's condition in each season. Because the VR46 team is also targeting to become world champion, even though next season they will work with a rider who is not from their own academy, namely Diggiantonio who is filling Luca Marini's seat after leaving for Honda next season. I also think that they still want to stay on Ducati because the reason is quite clear, namely the Champion motorbike, so it's clearly not bad for the championship and it's also not bad not to move to another motorbike.

Well at the end of the day, every person is going to be biased to some degree. And the decision of every person is going to be influenced by some things one way or another.

Anyway, I think you are right. Of course, there is a reason for him to want to stay with Ducati. And for him, it is the right decision, at least in my opinion. But we have to wait and see if this actually works out or not. Isn't it better for Ducati as well?

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Quote from: kro55 on December 18, 2023, 12:27:38 PM

I believe these situations are only going to be regretted by them if they eventually are not able to perform well in the future. And the thing is nobody knows what will happen in the future. So I believe they should really think about it hard and come up with the decision which they feel is the best. Once they make a decision, they will have to try their best to make sure that it is the best decision that they have made. I do not think Ducati is a bad decision, to be honest. But you never know.

Uccio himself a few days ago also expressed his desire to stay at Ducati until 2026 by taking advantage of Ducati's condition in each season. Because the VR46 team is also targeting to become world champion, even though next season they will work with a rider who is not from their own academy, namely Diggiantonio who is filling Luca Marini's seat after leaving for Honda next season. I also think that they still want to stay on Ducati because the reason is quite clear, namely the Champion motorbike, so it's clearly not bad for the championship and it's also not bad not to move to another motorbike.

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Quote from: Davian144 on December 15, 2023, 09:56:25 AM

It turns out that the VR46 team is currently experiencing a very big dilemma in making a decision regarding extending the contract with which manufacturer after 2024. Because they also received offers from several other manufacturers such as Yamaha, but they also still have to consider Ducati motorbikes because in general motorbikes Ducati has more energy to use in competition so there is a dilemma on their part when they want to make new decisions after next season.
Source: https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/the-big-dilemma-facing-valentino-rossis-motogp-team-in-2024/10556989/

I believe these situations are only going to be regretted by them if they eventually are not able to perform well in the future. And the thing is nobody knows what will happen in the future. So I believe they should really think about it hard and come up with the decision which they feel is the best. Once they make a decision, they will have to try their best to make sure that it is the best decision that they have made. I do not think Ducati is a bad decision, to be honest. But you never know.

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Quote from: Distraction on December 15, 2023, 02:28:38 PM

Unfortunately I can't get hyped about Ferrari's new car so much. Sad

Because this scenario is repeating itself every season. They are always claiming that they have a totally different car this time and they will be much more successful. But after the season starts we have the same old Ferrari as always. They need to do something for real to look convincing for people to believe in them.

I don't know maybe they can start with replacing their strategists with better ones. Because I'm afraid they have really poor strategists now that I say even I can do this job much better than them.

Leclerc's race engineer is just horrible. They can find a better one for him who really has good communication skills and who knows what he is doing. Sainz has a much better race engineer than Leclerc and I think it isn't fair.

Yep, this is F1.
When a team has a dominating car, they will keep winning utile the FIA changes the rules.
It has been always like that.

I can't remember a single time when a winning team lost the title without a change in the regulations.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 13, 2023, 06:26:25 PM

Ferrari announced a new car for 2024.

It will be not a progression of the 2023 car as usually happens.

It will be a new brand project.

Unfortunately I can't get hyped about Ferrari's new car so much. Sad

Because this scenario is repeating itself every season. They are always claiming that they have a totally different car this time and they will be much more successful. But after the season starts we have the same old Ferrari as always. They need to do something for real to look convincing for people to believe in them.

I don't know maybe they can start with replacing their strategists with better ones. Because I'm afraid they have really poor strategists now that I say even I can do this job much better than them.

Leclerc's race engineer is just horrible. They can find a better one for him who really has good communication skills and who knows what he is doing. Sainz has a much better race engineer than Leclerc and I think it isn't fair.

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It turns out that the VR46 team is currently experiencing a very big dilemma in making a decision regarding extending the contract with which manufacturer after 2024. Because they also received offers from several other manufacturers such as Yamaha, but they also still have to consider Ducati motorbikes because in general motorbikes Ducati has more energy to use in competition so there is a dilemma on their part when they want to make new decisions after next season.
Source: https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/the-big-dilemma-facing-valentino-rossis-motogp-team-in-2024/10556989/

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 13, 2023, 06:26:25 PM

Ferrari announced a new car for 2024.

It will be not a progression of the 2023 car as usually happens.

It will be a new brand project.

Generally, I am pretty skeptical about how it is going to turn out. Because whenever a new thing is introduced, it generally has a few flaws. But I am pretty sure that they are going to thoroughly test everything. And I hope that they will not cut any corners about the safety of the driver trying to improve and introduce new technology. As always, safety comes first. And I have seen the vehicles get more and more safer for the drivers. But still, work could be done.

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Ferrari announced a new car for 2024.

It will be not a progression of the 2023 car as usually happens.

It will be a new brand project.

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Yamaha definitely has the advantage (like Honda) that engine development is not frozen. But like the most here, I doubt that this will be enough. Honda and Yamaha have the following advantages over Ducati, Aprilia and KTM in category D.

Category D

Test tyres: 260
Private tests: Free not only test drivers
Number of GP tracks: no limit
Wildcards: 6
Engines per season: 9 or 10
Engine development not frozen from the start of season
Aero updates: 2

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Quote from: moneystery on December 13, 2023, 11:16:15 AM

with only 3 months left, that will be a short time for yamaha to be able to develop their motorbike. even though they get unrestricted testing and free engine development, other manufacturers like ducati are already several steps ahead compared to yamaha. i don't think the help from luca marmorini was very helpful either, considering that they are specialists in f1 and matching with yamaha engines takes more time.

i bet that yamaha's performance will be bad again in the next season.

It would be very wrong if you only looked at three months for motorbike development because that is quite a short time to build a motorbike with competition specs in MotoGP. You should also be able to imagine that Luca Marmorini, who is not often seen in the Yamaha paddock, was tasked with building Yamaha engines to make them better.

Although for now everyone can assume that Yamaha will not be competitive again because Ducati is one step ahead, but try to remember back when Ducati was still not competitive and other Asian manufacturers had taken a step forward in the past. Ducati continues to work with good determination and never gives up on what happened to them before becoming competitive.

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Quote from: moneystery on December 13, 2023, 11:16:15 AM

Quote from: Davian144 on December 12, 2023, 06:47:22 AM

Everyone will see how Yamaha performs during this season in developing its engine for next season, especially with the help of Luca Marmorini for Yamaha and the other technicians at Yamaha. Because no one will stay at Yamaha for long if the Yamaha manufacturer does not develop well or meet the expectations of its own riders next season.

with only 3 months left, that will be a short time for yamaha to be able to develop their motorbike. even though they get unrestricted testing and free engine development, other manufacturers like ducati are already several steps ahead compared to yamaha. i don't think the help from luca marmorini was very helpful either, considering that they are specialists in f1 and matching with yamaha engines takes more time.

i bet that yamaha's performance will be bad again in the next season.

If they don't get a true engineer like Newey is in Formula 1 then it will be very difficult for Yamaha to improve their performance in such a short time remaining.I think they would be doing the right thing if they manage to hire a very successful head lf engineering for their team as I am sure things would improve.Most likely they won't be able to do miracles in such a short time but overall they will make little changes overtime which would result in a big increase in their performance.

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Quote from: Davian144 on December 12, 2023, 06:47:22 AM

Everyone will see how Yamaha performs during this season in developing its engine for next season, especially with the help of Luca Marmorini for Yamaha and the other technicians at Yamaha. Because no one will stay at Yamaha for long if the Yamaha manufacturer does not develop well or meet the expectations of its own riders next season.

with only 3 months left, that will be a short time for yamaha to be able to develop their motorbike. even though they get unrestricted testing and free engine development, other manufacturers like ducati are already several steps ahead compared to yamaha. i don't think the help from luca marmorini was very helpful either, considering that they are specialists in f1 and matching with yamaha engines takes more time.

i bet that yamaha's performance will be bad again in the next season.

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Verstappen made a statement like he saw some weaknesses in the car and they were going to work on them. I don't know how he found a weakness in that car. Grin

Red Bull had a fully dominant season especially thanks to Verstappen. I can't imagine this car getting much stronger than this. W11 is the fastest car ever in F1 history as far as I know. I assume Red Bull are also working on making an even faster car. Until 2026 season they have time to do so and they don't have any real opponent ahead of them either. Because I don't expect any other team to close the gap much with Red Bull in the meantime.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 10, 2023, 06:43:29 PM

Do we already know when the f1 will start with the tests?

We are 3 month away from the start but I can't find any info about them yet

@coinlocket$ according to this link the tests begin from 21st Feb and there’s also a change in the time so make sure to see what time it’ll be available in your time zone. Furthermore another thing I see from the link is that the Chinese race is back after a long wait and some minor adjustments have been made to the race schedule and on paper these changes look interesting but in reality we can’t be sure if they’ll actually help increase the competition or not because I’m tired of one way races.

I don't think these things are actually going to make a lot of changes. At least I do not expect the outcome to be very different. A lot of people are actually tired of one-way races. And to be honest, I don't know if that is going to actually change anytime soon or not. But I am definitely interested to see how it is going to affect the races. And remember the adjustments are not very big. These are some tweaks here and there. So that's why I said that the outcome is probably not going to be very unexpected.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 10, 2023, 06:43:29 PM

Do we already know when the f1 will start with the tests?

We are 3 month away from the start but I can't find any info about them yet

I think there are only 3 test days a year, the last were the tyre tests on 28/11/2013 in Abu Dhabi, here is the German report on the tests.

The first test days next year are already scheduled for 21-23 February 2024 at Sachir.

Formel-1-Wintertests 2024: Übersicht zu Terminen, Strecken und Fahrern

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Driving will normally take place in two sessions from 8:00 to 12:15 and again from 13:15 to 17:30 (CET).

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 10, 2023, 06:43:29 PM

Do we already know when the f1 will start with the tests?

We are 3 month away from the start but I can't find any info about them yet

@coinlocket$ according to this link the tests begin from 21st Feb and there’s also a change in the time so make sure to see what time it’ll be available in your time zone. Furthermore another thing I see from the link is that the Chinese race is back after a long wait and some minor adjustments have been made to the race schedule and on paper these changes look interesting but in reality we can’t be sure if they’ll actually help increase the competition or not because I’m tired of one way races.

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