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Quote from: swogerino on October 18, 2023, 09:41:54 AM

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Quote from: tokeweed on October 17, 2023, 08:47:16 AM

Track: Circuit of the Americas, Austin Texas, USA

And I think it's high time the books allow the same event parlays for F1.

This is a great track for a sprint race.
Just ban Verstappen and it will be a great weekend to watch

That or the other teams should pick up the slack and actually make their car faster. They pay millions on engineers ffs. Can't they just give the fans a competitive car? It's not Red Bull and Newey's fault that they're doing a good job in designing a fast car. And isn't making a great, fast car the whole point of F1?

I mean yeah, Alpha Romeo, Haas and the smaller teams prolly should be given a break and we shouldn't expect too much. But Ferrari and Mercedes? No excuse.

I agree,it is not the fault of a great driver who has refused better teams and stayed at Redbull even when Redbull was not at all dominating the Championship,I give credit to him for the loyalty given to Redbull which has been rewarded with 3 consecutive World Titles.I liked him when he said after winning his first title via radio "Let's do this for another ten years together" which again showed great belief in the team.

I also agree with the fact that Ferrari and Mercedes has absolutely no excuses when it comes to their budget and I would also add one of the oldest and successful teams of F1 history which they hold the fastest ever world record pit stop,McLaren also has no excuses.

@swogerino how long are we going to continue to hope that Ferrari will step up because year after year they’re only feeding us excuses and now I’m totally done with their excuses. Furthermore I was hoping that he could join Ferrari and give them a boost but after reading about about his loyalty comments I doubt that he’ll ever even consider joining them.

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Quote from: tokeweed on October 18, 2023, 08:22:53 AM

Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 17, 2023, 05:07:09 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on October 17, 2023, 08:47:16 AM

Track: Circuit of the Americas, Austin Texas, USA

And I think it's high time the books allow the same event parlays for F1.

This is a great track for a sprint race.
Just ban Verstappen and it will be a great weekend to watch

That or the other teams should pick up the slack and actually make their car faster. They pay millions on engineers ffs. Can't they just give the fans a competitive car? It's not Red Bull and Newey's fault that they're doing a good job in designing a fast car. And isn't making a great, fast car the whole point of F1?

I mean yeah, Alpha Romeo, Haas and the smaller teams prolly should be given a break and we shouldn't expect too much. But Ferrari and Mercedes? No excuse.

I agree,it is not the fault of a great driver who has refused better teams and stayed at Redbull even when Redbull was not at all dominating the Championship,I give credit to him for the loyalty given to Redbull which has been rewarded with 3 consecutive World Titles.I liked him when he said after winning his first title via radio "Let's do this for another ten years together" which again showed great belief in the team.

I also agree with the fact that Ferrari and Mercedes has absolutely no excuses when it comes to their budget and I would also add one of the oldest and successful teams of F1 history which they hold the fastest ever world record pit stop,McLaren also has no excuses.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 17, 2023, 05:07:09 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on October 17, 2023, 08:47:16 AM

Track: Circuit of the Americas, Austin Texas, USA

And I think it's high time the books allow the same event parlays for F1.

This is a great track for a sprint race.
Just ban Verstappen and it will be a great weekend to watch

That or the other teams should pick up the slack and actually make their car faster. They pay millions on engineers ffs. Can't they just give the fans a competitive car? It's not Red Bull and Newey's fault that they're doing a good job in designing a fast car. And isn't making a great, fast car the whole point of F1?

I mean yeah, Alpha Romeo, Haas and the smaller teams prolly should be given a break and we shouldn't expect too much. But Ferrari and Mercedes? No excuse.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on October 16, 2023, 07:01:03 AM

Yes, it's still a long way to the world title, but are you sure it's only 125 points? This year there are sprint races at every race weekend with an additional 50% points?

If you calculate the winning points for the Sprint Race and Main Race in the remaining five series, then the points that will be contested by the riders who are able to win in the remaining five series are 185 points (Main Race = 125 and Sprint Race = 60) points. So in general there are still many gaps for several riders who are currently at the top of the standings.

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I think this year will not be the rider who has the most wins in the last 5 (10 races) but with the most consistency and fewest crashes, here a TOP 3 place can be more important than a win or retirement, as in the 9th world championship of Rossi, he also won only through consistency and not always risked everything for the win.r

I also agree more with consistency in gaining points with the condition that a rider must be able to finish ahead of an opponent who is not that far away from him in terms of points, even though he is not in a winning position. A small example is that if Jorge Martin can always finish ahead of Bagnaia in the five remaining series this season and be on the podium (although not the victory podium), Jorge Martin could become world champion this season.

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Quote from: tokeweed on October 17, 2023, 08:47:16 AM

Track: Circuit of the Americas, Austin Texas, USA

And I think it's high time the books allow the same event parlays for F1.

This is a great track for a sprint race.
Just ban Verstappen and it will be a great weekend to watch

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Quote from: FanEagle on October 17, 2023, 02:39:44 AM

Race Week finally. F1 will be at Austion again for USA grand prix, still feels weird to call it USA grand prix because it was the only one for a while, yet they have 2 more now, with Las Vegas and Miami as well, so this should be like Texa GP or something, which would be fun to call it that to be fair, Texas is known by a lot of people all around the world. In any case, usually they call it the city name, not the state, it's not Nevada GP, it's Las Vegas GP, and it's not Florida GP, it's Miami GP.

Maybe that's because the recognition is bigger but they can't have 2 city names and 1 state name, that could be weird, or they can just do whatever they want they are a company. At this point, there is nothing to talk about the race itself, the winners are known, the rest of it would be regarding who will be second team and third team etc, it is going to be quite boring because it looks like there aren't anyone dominating the second position and it is all getting boring to see less overtakes.

I am guessing that if Mclaren could continue with both their drivers like this, even second position is quite possible for them and not impossible, the point difference is not that big and Hamilton could make mistakes again and could end up with a bad result.

If we see Mercedes driver outside of top 5 and McLaren drivers in top 5, and they can make it consistently like that too, then I am sure that the yare going to pass them without a doubt. Think about how late Mclaren got better, it was after the summer break, not like it was right before or right after, it too ka while for them to get better, we were in September or something when they got better and that alone made them so much better and we have very few races left, so they need to get podium finishes in all races, at least one of them.

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Quote from: FanEagle on October 17, 2023, 02:39:44 AM

Race Week finally. F1 will be at Austion again for USA grand prix, still feels weird to call it USA grand prix because it was the only one for a while, yet they have 2 more now, with Las Vegas and Miami as well, so this should be like Texa GP or something, which would be fun to call it that to be fair, Texas is known by a lot of people all around the world. In any case, usually they call it the city name, not the state, it's not Nevada GP, it's Las Vegas GP, and it's not Florida GP, it's Miami GP.

Maybe that's because the recognition is bigger but they can't have 2 city names and 1 state name, that could be weird, or they can just do whatever they want they are a company. At this point, there is nothing to talk about the race itself, the winners are known, the rest of it would be regarding who will be second team and third team etc, it is going to be quite boring because it looks like there aren't anyone dominating the second position and it is all getting boring to see less overtakes.

The US is almost a whole continent if not for Canada. So if you include Canada, there's actually 4 GP's in North America. And if you think about it, they could have a whole football league with different tiers just like the system the European leagues have when they promote and relegate football clubs. But they could do it three times over. That's how huge the US is.

Anyway here's the schedule...

2023 US GP Schedule
Track: Circuit of the Americas, Austin Texas, USA

Oct 20, Friday: Practice 1 12:30 - 13:30
Oct 20, Friday: Qualifying 16:00 - 17:00
Oct 21, Saturday: Sprint Shoot Out 12:30 - 13:15
Oct 21, Saturday: Sprint 17:00 - 18:00
Oct 22, Sunday: Race 14:00

And I think it's high time the books allow the same event parlays for F1.

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on October 15, 2023, 04:42:00 PM

Jorge Martin held his head after his crash as if he wanted to say the Mandalika circuit was too hard for him.
Pecco Bagnaia's victory in the #IndonesianGP was a prize given by Martin. That is suitable to describe the results of the race earlier.

Yes. Bagnaia must be able to win the race at Phillip Island because if not, Martin has the opportunity to overtake Pecco considering the difference is only 18 points and the remaining races are based on the calendar.

I would not consider Pecco Bagnaia's victory in Mandalika Indonesia as a gift from Jorge Martin, because it was very clear that Jorge Martin was pushing too much speed before he fell. So what Jorge Martin himself got was quite normal and Pecco Bagnaia, who started the race from 13th position and was able to finish the race in first place, is something that needs to get a little praise from his fans at this time. And this week everyone will see how these two riders experience the race at Phillip Island, Australia.

Quote from: swogerino on October 15, 2023, 05:07:23 PM

Phillip Island is a great circuit in Australia,a very technical one,I have been missing sometimes in a row the Indonesian GP so I have not seen any race taken there but if a rider says it was difficult then it means it was.In this upcoming track which even in old times have favored more Ducatti considering Casey Stoner,ex Aussie who first won a Championship in Ducatti when no one could used to win so many times in this track it will again be won by Ducatti.

I think though that Martin try to push a bit more than he needed and it costed him the crash,I am sure we will not see such crash in this upcoming track.

The story of Casey Stoner at Ducati and especially at Phillip Island is quite an amazing story because he was indeed the king of Phillip Island because in his prime, Casey Stoner was even able to win on a Ducati motorbike in poor condition. This means that he is indeed the king of the Phillip Island circuit apart from being the host there and for this week I am still quite confident in the Ducati manufacturer who will continue to improve their potential until the end of the season. Meanwhile, Jorge Martin will continue to provide one hundred percent encouragement for more points.

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Race Week finally. F1 will be at Austion again for USA grand prix, still feels weird to call it USA grand prix because it was the only one for a while, yet they have 2 more now, with Las Vegas and Miami as well, so this should be like Texa GP or something, which would be fun to call it that to be fair, Texas is known by a lot of people all around the world. In any case, usually they call it the city name, not the state, it's not Nevada GP, it's Las Vegas GP, and it's not Florida GP, it's Miami GP.

Maybe that's because the recognition is bigger but they can't have 2 city names and 1 state name, that could be weird, or they can just do whatever they want they are a company. At this point, there is nothing to talk about the race itself, the winners are known, the rest of it would be regarding who will be second team and third team etc, it is going to be quite boring because it looks like there aren't anyone dominating the second position and it is all getting boring to see less overtakes.

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We are in a new race week now which is the United States GP. This is the place Verstappen will win another race comfortably then. Grin

For now it is difficult to predict podium here. Because it has been quite changeable generally. But when we look at the results in the final races we see that there is a huge improvement in McLaren's performance.

Norris and Piastri have been on podium for two races. This makes me think about if they can maintain this streak with at least one driver. But it is better to see the practice session first. By the way we are going to have a sprint race once again. Maybe just like Piastri did recently we would see a different name winning a sprint race again.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 15, 2023, 03:29:34 PM

If I can recall correctly there are 5 races left, so a total of 125 points.

It is a loooong way to go

Yes, it's still a long way to the world title, but are you sure it's only 125 points? This year there are sprint races at every race weekend with an additional 50% points?

I think this year will not be the rider who has the most wins in the last 5 (10 races) but with the most consistency and fewest crashes, here a TOP 3 place can be more important than a win or retirement, as in the 9th world championship of Rossi, he also won only through consistency and not always risked everything for the win.r

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on October 15, 2023, 04:42:00 PM

Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 15, 2023, 03:29:34 PM

If I can recall correctly there are 5 races left, so a total of 125 points.

It is a loooong way to go

Jorge Martin held his head after his crash as if he wanted to say the Mandalika circuit was too hard for him.
Pecco Bagnaia's victory in the #IndonesianGP was a prize given by Martin. That is suitable to describe the results of the race earlier.

Yes. Bagnaia must be able to win the race at Phillip Island because if not, Martin has the opportunity to overtake Pecco considering the difference is only 18 points and the remaining races are based on the calendar.

Phillip Island is a great circuit in Australia,a very technical one,I have been missing sometimes in a row the Indonesian GP so I have not seen any race taken there but if a rider says it was difficult then it means it was.In this upcoming track which even in old times have favored more Ducatti considering Casey Stoner,ex Aussie who first won a Championship in Ducatti when no one could used to win so many times in this track it will again be won by Ducatti.

I think though that Martin try to push a bit more than he needed and it costed him the crash,I am sure we will not see such crash in this upcoming track.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 15, 2023, 03:29:34 PM

If I can recall correctly there are 5 races left, so a total of 125 points.

It is a loooong way to go

Jorge Martin held his head after his crash as if he wanted to say the Mandalika circuit was too hard for him.
Pecco Bagnaia's victory in the #IndonesianGP was a prize given by Martin. That is suitable to describe the results of the race earlier.

Yes. Bagnaia must be able to win the race at Phillip Island because if not, Martin has the opportunity to overtake Pecco considering the difference is only 18 points and the remaining races are based on the calendar.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 15, 2023, 03:29:34 PM

Quote from: Koal-84 on October 15, 2023, 02:38:02 PM

It's still to be taken with a pinch of salt, Bagnaia has dropped out many times and this time it's Martin, Bagnaia has to confirm the victory in the next race.

If I can recall correctly there are 5 races left, so a total of 125 points.

It is a loooong way to go

18 points difference is not that big in 5 races and most likely anything can happen.Martin tried to overdo once and he crashed.He still has no choice though except to try the hardest and overdo it if he really wants to become Champion during this season.From this point of view Bagnaia is much more in advantage as he can race calmer,the next race is crucial for both riders as it can make the gap widen more giving more comfort to Bagnaia or it can close a lot more putting a lot of pressure to Bagnaia and this second scenario should be what fans should like,to go till the last race not knowing who will become Champion,much different from F1 season.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on October 15, 2023, 02:38:02 PM

It's still to be taken with a pinch of salt, Bagnaia has dropped out many times and this time it's Martin, Bagnaia has to confirm the victory in the next race.

If I can recall correctly there are 5 races left, so a total of 125 points.

It is a loooong way to go

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 14, 2023, 04:58:33 PM

After his accident, he is not in his shape no more.
He seems to have lost it.

For sure it is still a great driver but I don't think is he able to win any title anymore.

I also think the same, Marquez will not come back as strong as before the accident. He also doesn't have factory support anymore, so from a development point of view.

Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 15, 2023, 02:11:10 PM

Bagnaia is back, this time the mistake was from Martin

6th win from the Italian and now he is back in lead with 1 less race to do.

It's still to be taken with a pinch of salt, Bagnaia has dropped out many times and this time it's Martin, Bagnaia has to confirm the victory in the next race.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 15, 2023, 02:11:10 PM

Bagnaia is back, this time the mistake was from Martin

6th win from the Italian and now he is back in lead with 1 less race to do.

Still a couple of races to go on until the end of the season and I think it will be a war of nerves more than anything else during these races.Riders for me should be rational,more Bagnaia than anyone else after that bad crash he had not that long time ago.Martin after the crash of today it showed that he is serious in even overdoing it risking anything just to get the title so most probably he should be the one pushing for more,at least more than Bagnaia as he has not had a really bad crash like Bagnaia so he will be trying as he is not World Champion as of yet and he will try as I said much harder.Bagnaia should be rational and capitalize on other mistakes Martin may make as when you push it,you risk it hard.

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Bagnaia is back, this time the mistake was from Martin

6th win from the Italian and now he is back in lead with 1 less race to do.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on October 15, 2023, 06:43:44 AM

After yesterday's sprint race didn't go so well for Bagnaia and he even lost the World Championship lead, Bagnaia came up with the right answer today and won the race and regained the World Championship lead. Of course, this was also due to the fact that Martin crashed.

If Bagnaia keeps performing well and others crash it is a sure thing that he will win the title but it is wide open until the end of the Championship.For this year though I think no one is capable of confronting him up to a level to get the Championship out of him,I think next year we will see a Marc Marquez with a Ducati team no matter that is a client team and he can be a real threat to any one running with Ducati no matter how good they may look now,for example Bagnaia.If Marc gets well with the new bike and rides like we all know him I am sure he can be a real contender and he can absolutely win the title next year.

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Quote from: boty on October 15, 2023, 04:11:56 AM

It was really interesting today's Moto GP race and this is in my country, there were many incidents that happened today, one of which was Brad Binder who received a long lap penalty as a result of touching Luca Marini so Marini couldn't continue the race and Brand Binder made a lot of mistakes in race day this. Today's podium was really interesting because it was won by three different manufacturers, Ducati, Aprilia and Yamaha.

i saw that race was quite exciting. racers are really required to conquer the mandalika circuit, which is quite simple in design but difficult, especially at several corners that look mirage and narrow, which often makes racers fall.

but it was quite unfortunate that during the racing session martin and marquez had a crash which meant they didn't get any points in this race and bagnia ended up being the winner in this race and created a gap with martin.

and as usual quartararo got the podium at this circuit, it seems that mandalika is quartararo's favorite circuit.

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