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Quote from: Distraction on October 27, 2023, 01:08:39 PM

It is the situation indeed. The engine of Charles Leclerc's car is also said to have a potential to have durability problems in the Mexico GP. However Vasseur decided not to make any change. They are said to be waiting for next weeks to make new changes in his car. This news was enough to make me nervous about Leclerc's race. I won't be surprised if he can't finish the race or lose a lot of pace after a point.

If Sainz is also in a similar condition then it doesn't seem logical to expect much from Ferrari at this race weekend. Sad

They have 2 "3rd drivers" in case of necessity, one is Giovinazzi.

Lecler will drive under drugs, for Sainz not clear yet.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 27, 2023, 10:20:25 AM

Ferrari seems to have big problems this weekend.

Both drivers are in a bad physical state, they should be able to race but Sainz is at risk of skipping the GP.

It is the situation indeed. The engine of Charles Leclerc's car is also said to have a potential to have durability problems in the Mexico GP. However Vasseur decided not to make any change. They are said to be waiting for next weeks to make new changes in his car. This news was enough to make me nervous about Leclerc's race. I won't be surprised if he can't finish the race or lose a lot of pace after a point.

If Sainz is also in a similar condition then it doesn't seem logical to expect much from Ferrari at this race weekend. Sad

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Ferrari seems to have big problems this weekend.

Both drivers are in a bad physical state, they should be able to race but Sainz is at risk of skipping the GP.

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Quote from: Distraction on October 26, 2023, 03:41:59 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on October 26, 2023, 08:40:15 AM

So there are words swirling around that Verstappen is walking around Mexico with a couple of body guards. Cheesy

There are prolly some people in there who want Perez to win and would do everything they can to make it happen..? Cheesy

Perez to get fastest lap is lined at 11... Not saying it's gonna happen for sure but he does techincally drive the second fastest car on the grid. Wink

It is quite attracting to bet on Perez's fastest lap, isn't it? Grin

However Perez couldn't do so in the previous two races on this track. Bottas got it in 2021 and Russell was the one who did it in 2022 too. Perez's performance in the recent races has been really disappointing either. To get the fastest lap here he would need some really solid gap with the car behind but we will see.

I guess it is better than betting on Perez to take pole position. Because his qualifying performance has been really poor for quite much time.

Perez for pole at 17.00looks like it's value too but between pole and fastest lap, I think I feel safer betting on Perez fastest lap as he'll got 71 chances to win it. As for getting pole position, there's too much pressure from Verstappen and the team. Perez is supposed to be the second driver so even if he's faster than his team mate in quali, there could be something or somebody that could force him to bring it down a notch. I'm guessing Marko Helmut. Lol.

Anyway I have 5 bucks on Perez for fastest lap. I'll be happy to win 55 bucks and bet it for a 100x leveraged futures bet on PEPE. Cheesy

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Quote from: Koal-84 on October 27, 2023, 04:06:37 AM

That's all as correct as you write, but even Martin won't be able to win all the races, and with Bagnaia it's better to be on the podium than to drop out. Martin probably has to or will have to take a higher risk.

But wait and see this weekend, at the moment it's all speculation, if one of the two drops out, it will be a completely different story.

After seeing the results of the FP1 session this afternoon where Jorge Martin was able to set the best time and was in first place with Bagnaia who was in tenth place, it was very clear that Jorge Martin really pushed himself when it came to taking risks. Now I'm watching the Practice session to see where the two will be after setting their best times.

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By the way, according to Ducati's sports director, Marc will ride for Gresini almost for free.

I also read this rumor yesterday and indeed the Ducati sporting director said so, but it could also be very possible because considering that the team that oversees Marc Marquez is an independent team that generally doesn't have a lot of money so maybe Gresini will have a little difficulty paying Marc. Marquez previously had a fairly high salary at the Honda manufacturer.

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Quote from: panjul07 on October 26, 2023, 12:08:38 PM

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That's all as correct as you write, but even Martin won't be able to win all the races, and with Bagnaia it's better to be on the podium than to drop out. Martin probably has to or will have to take a higher risk.

But wait and see this weekend, at the moment it's all speculation, if one of the two drops out, it will be a completely different story.

By the way, according to Ducati's sports director, Marc will ride for Gresini almost for free.

https://www.motorsport-total.com/motogp/news/ducati-sportdirektor-verraet-marquez-faehrt-bei-gresini-praktisch-ohne-gehalt-23102502

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Quote from: tokeweed on October 26, 2023, 08:40:15 AM

So there are words swirling around that Verstappen is walking around Mexico with a couple of body guards. Cheesy

There are prolly some people in there who want Perez to win and would do everything they can to make it happen..? Cheesy

Perez to get fastest lap is lined at 11... Not saying it's gonna happen for sure but he does techincally drive the second fastest car on the grid. Wink

It is quite attracting to bet on Perez's fastest lap, isn't it? Grin

However Perez couldn't do so in the previous two races on this track. Bottas got it in 2021 and Russell was the one who did it in 2022 too. Perez's performance in the recent races has been really disappointing either. To get the fastest lap here he would need some really solid gap with the car behind but we will see.

I guess it is better than betting on Perez to take pole position. Because his qualifying performance has been really poor for quite much time.

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It is definitely disappointing to get a P2 finish and get DQ because of something like this, but rules are rules would be true here without a doubt. If the rules state that you have to have certain measures and your floor has something different, wouldn't it be worse if they ended up accepting that? Not like they didn't check others, they checked Max and Norris as well and those two were doing fine, so that means there is nothing really wrong with them, and the other two had issues.

Leclerc is normal, that dude was born unlucky, well he is a Monaco born rich dude who races at f1 for Ferrari so saying he is "unlucky" would be wrong in general, just unlucky at driving. But Hamilton was a shocker to me, Mercedes normally cares about these stuff.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on October 26, 2023, 05:28:00 AM

If Bagnaia doesn't crash this weekend it doesn't matter for him in terms of the championship, the important thing is Bagnaia scores points, and it doesn't matter what Martin does, for Bagnaia the most important thing this weekend is points, it would also increase the pressure on Martin, to make up points he has to be in front of Bagnaia and best of all win.

Earning points in every race is a must for bagnania but it should be a good point in every race, because if Martin win all the remaining races and Pecco earn small points only then he will lose the title.
With 4 races remaining means that every rider is still possible to earn max (25*4)+(12*4)= 148 points while the gap between Martin and Pecco is only 27 points so it is possible for Bagnania to lose the championship title.
Lets say Martin get all the 148 points, means that his total point will be 339+148=487, means that pecco needs to collect at least 488 points by the end of the season or he needs to collect at least 122 points.
I think, Pecco is not a type of rider who will try to be safe but he is a fighter who will try the best in every race, so I think Pecco will play as he used to do since the first race till the latest race but maybe he will be a bit careful and not forcing himself too much.

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Quote from: swogerino on October 26, 2023, 07:07:05 AM

In practice I doubt Bagnaia will push that hard as he knows one crash can risk this second title which would be a huge achievement for him personally so I don't think he will push it that hard,he will be happy with second places.

Of course, Bagnaia will be very careful not to fall and will be quite happy with second place in the remaining races this season. But Bagnaia still needs to win once again in the main race and sprint race or in two sprint races to secure himself in second place. Because Jorge Martin will give one hundred percent of his ability in the remaining races because he knows that several other riders can also be obstacles for him and also for Bagnaia so Jorge Martin will continue to push as hard as possible in the remaining races.

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So there are words swirling around that Verstappen is walking around Mexico with a couple of body guards. Cheesy

There are prolly some people in there who want Perez to win and would do everything they can to make it happen..? Cheesy

Perez to get fastest lap is lined at 11... Not saying it's gonna happen for sure but he does techincally drive the second fastest car on the grid. Wink

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Track: Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez, Mexico City, Mexico

Oct 27, Friday: Practice 1 12:30 - 13:30
Oct 27, Friday: Practice 2 16:00 - 17:00
Oct 28, Saturday: Practice 3 11:30 - 12:30
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Quote from: Davian144 on October 26, 2023, 06:56:01 AM

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if martin can reach the podium in buriram, it might be difficult for bagnaia to achieve his world title. even though many people tend to favor bagnaia, we cannot rule out the factors that could make martin take first place from bagnaia. martin also no longer wanted to "gamble" and changed his strategy to play safer than before. the problem with his tires might be that they are adjusted to his opponent's tires and that might be quite difficult for bagnaia. well, we can see how the battle between these two will be very exciting to watch.

Jorge Martin will continue to adapt whatever he uses to what riders from the Ducati factory use in order to continue to compete with the defending champion, Bagnaia. Because Jorge Martin still hasn't given up on continuing to hunt for the 2023 MotoGP world title this season, but based on the distance of points that Bagnaia has so far, Bagnaia only needs to win one of the main races and one of the sprint races. The rest, Bagnaia just has to keep trying to reach the second podium in order to secure his championship this season, so the pressure is now on Jorge Martin.

This puts all the pressure to Jorge Martin who has got nothing to lose if he tries as hard as possible but chances are not at all on his side.Nevertheless the racing and MotoGP is a sport where you cannot predict anything,any crash from Bagnaia and a win from Martin in this upcoming race for example it change the situation dramatically making both drivers near on equal points and thus giving each of them a chance to win the title,this in theory.

In practice I doubt Bagnaia will push that hard as he knows one crash can risk this second title which would be a huge achievement for him personally so I don't think he will push it that hard,he will be happy with second places.

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Quote from: moneystery on October 25, 2023, 10:35:28 PM

if martin can reach the podium in buriram, it might be difficult for bagnaia to achieve his world title. even though many people tend to favor bagnaia, we cannot rule out the factors that could make martin take first place from bagnaia. martin also no longer wanted to "gamble" and changed his strategy to play safer than before. the problem with his tires might be that they are adjusted to his opponent's tires and that might be quite difficult for bagnaia. well, we can see how the battle between these two will be very exciting to watch.

Jorge Martin will continue to adapt whatever he uses to what riders from the Ducati factory use in order to continue to compete with the defending champion, Bagnaia. Because Jorge Martin still hasn't given up on continuing to hunt for the 2023 MotoGP world title this season, but based on the distance of points that Bagnaia has so far, Bagnaia only needs to win one of the main races and one of the sprint races. The rest, Bagnaia just has to keep trying to reach the second podium in order to secure his championship this season, so the pressure is now on Jorge Martin.

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If Bagnaia doesn't crash this weekend it doesn't matter for him in terms of the championship, the important thing is Bagnaia scores points, and it doesn't matter what Martin does, for Bagnaia the most important thing this weekend is points, it would also increase the pressure on Martin, to make up points he has to be in front of Bagnaia and best of all win.

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Quote from: Davian144 on October 23, 2023, 10:51:39 AM

In general, Bagnaia only needs two more wins in the Sprint Race and the rest is for the second podium so that Bagnaia can secure the world championship this season because Jorge Martin will appear persistent in every remaining series this season. However, I also need to see whether Bagnaia is really able to defend his championship title again this season because as far as I know from several riders who wear number 1 after being world champions, they always find it difficult to defend their championship in the following season with the same manufacturer. So maybe this will be new history if Bagnaia is able to win again this season with a European manufacturer which rarely wins consecutive world championships.

if martin can reach the podium in buriram, it might be difficult for bagnaia to achieve his world title. even though many people tend to favor bagnaia, we cannot rule out the factors that could make martin take first place from bagnaia. martin also no longer wanted to "gamble" and changed his strategy to play safer than before. the problem with his tires might be that they are adjusted to his opponent's tires and that might be quite difficult for bagnaia. well, we can see how the battle between these two will be very exciting to watch.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 23, 2023, 11:11:03 AM

It's a bit ridiculous, especially considering that it was announced few hours after race when all podium celebrations was over long time ago. As I understand, they checked only 4 cars - both Mercedes and Ferrari, not all 20, so, it's a bit unfair, but in general, rulesare rules.
So, after this penalty now Hamilton have almost no chance to reach Perez in driver standings. Tsunoda got 5 points in total with fastest lap, it's more than he got during whole season. And Sargeant got first career point, but I doubt it will help him to save seat in F1

Not only that but the violation If I read correctly was 0.2mm or 0.008 inch as you prefer.

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I was also not expecting such result after the tests. But there is nothing to do about it I'm afraid. Especially Hamilton and Mercedes of course must be really unhappy with the official results. Because Hamilton made a huge effort and I believe that he even deserved to win this Grand Prix. A couple of more laps was the only thing he needed to overtake Verstappen. Because Verstappen had to race with a braking issue for the whole race you know. Even he admitted that he could have lost.

After this race Ferrari have caught up with Mercedes a few more points. Now the gap is 22 points. I don't think it is impossible to close in 4 races. However Ferrari's racing tempo isn't credible at all. Sad

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 23, 2023, 03:42:17 AM

So Leclerc and Hamilton got disqualified for consuming the bottom of their cars.

Was I long time I haven't seen this thing happening.

It's a bit ridiculous, especially considering that it was announced few hours after race when all podium celebrations was over long time ago. As I understand, they checked only 4 cars - both Mercedes and Ferrari, not all 20, so, it's a bit unfair, but in general, rulesare rules.
So, after this penalty now Hamilton have almost no chance to reach Perez in driver standings. Tsunoda got 5 points in total with fastest lap, it's more than he got during whole season. And Sargeant got first career point, but I doubt it will help him to save seat in F1

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Quote from: Koal-84 on October 23, 2023, 09:17:59 AM

Exactly, Bagnai has the advantage again, but I think he won't risk too much now, especially if Martin is behind him, better a safe second place than too much risk and a crash, a crash of Martin or Bagnaia is currently decisive for the world championship, I think the pressure is now more on Martin than on Bagnaia, Bagnaia will be world champion with a lead of between 10 and 15 points, I think.

With the cancellation of the Sprint Race on Sunday at Phillip Island, Australia, it is certainly very detrimental for Jorge Martin and very profitable for Bagnaia, even though Jorge Martin still has the opportunity to chase points again this week in Thailand. Because in four main races and four sprints, of course there is still enough time for Jorge Martin to reduce the points gap with Bagnaia, even though Jorge Martin is starting to feel pressured by this because of the current points distance.

Quote from: swogerino on October 23, 2023, 09:23:56 AM

He just needs to be conservative enough in the races remaining and I am pretty sure when you have over a race advantage over you direct opponent you can manage it quite well.I think Bagnaia has more experience as he won the title last year if I am not mistaken and this greatly improves your psychological feeling against all other opponents,you have some sort of great and better self esteem than anyone else in this season as you are the reigning Champion and the one who has to risk it all if he wants to get something out of this season is definitely Martin,in this context he has nothing to lose so he will most probably try everything out in the remaining races.

In general, Bagnaia only needs two more wins in the Sprint Race and the rest is for the second podium so that Bagnaia can secure the world championship this season because Jorge Martin will appear persistent in every remaining series this season. However, I also need to see whether Bagnaia is really able to defend his championship title again this season because as far as I know from several riders who wear number 1 after being world champions, they always find it difficult to defend their championship in the following season with the same manufacturer. So maybe this will be new history if Bagnaia is able to win again this season with a European manufacturer which rarely wins consecutive world championships.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on October 23, 2023, 09:17:59 AM

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Btw Bagnaia today won and now he was the lead of 27 points.

This is huge since he went over the 25 points, in short terms he has now 1 gp of advantage over Martin.

Exactly, Bagnai has the advantage again, but I think he won't risk too much now, especially if Martin is behind him, better a safe second place than too much risk and a crash, a crash of Martin or Bagnaia is currently decisive for the world championship, I think the pressure is now more on Martin than on Bagnaia, Bagnaia will be world champion with a lead of between 10 and 15 points, I think.

He just needs to be conservative enough in the races remaining and I am pretty sure when you have over a race advantage over you direct opponent you can manage it quite well.I think Bagnaia has more experience as he won the title last year if I am not mistaken and this greatly improves your psychological feeling against all other opponents,you have some sort of great and better self esteem than anyone else in this season as you are the reigning Champion and the one who has to risk it all if he wants to get something out of this season is definitely Martin,in this context he has nothing to lose so he will most probably try everything out in the remaining races.

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