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Daniel Ricciardo truly deserves to be celebrated for his good performance at the Mexican Grand Prix, finishing the race in seventh place after starting fourth.
Unfortunately, his AlphaTauri teammate, Yuki Tsunoda, could only regret the incident with Oscar Piastri, which greatly damaged his performance in the race.

Better than celebrating the position gained, was seeing the spirit of companionship Ricciardo expressed in expressing relief when he learned that Kevin Magnussen was unharmed after his accident. Even with obstacles, such as the red flag and the choice of hard tires, Ricciardo remained resilient, highlighting how close he was to overtaking George Russell at the end. I'm also very confident that with a better car at RBR next year he will be able to get on the podium more often.

Ricciardo performance with one of worst cars on the grid was awesome. He was even close from overtaking Russel in last laps.
While Perez, such failure at home GP, that crash was completely his fault. I'm not sure what happened to him after great previous season.
Yeah, Ricciardo to Red Bull. But mark my words - he won't do much better than Perez and will get critisized a lot too.

Max just shows it very easy to beat everyone with his incredibly fast car. He didn't even need to pit for guaranteeing the fastest lap as he got it anyway. Apart from his performance I must admit that I was really impressed by 3 drivers especially. These are Hamilton, Norris and Ricciardo. Hamilton got mediums after the red flag which was a different strategy than Red Bull and Ferrari.

But he was still able to save his tyres very well and keep a great pace at the same time. The gap with Leclerc was huge at the end of the race. If Russell managed to overtake Sainz early then he would have also finished ahead of Ferrari drivers probably. Norris climbed very well despite starting far behind on the grid. Ricciardo had a really impressive pace throughout the race. 

Yet another easy win for MAx after the red flag he was just unstoppable.
Idk why when so slow after changing the tyres.

Super Riccardo it will be fun to see him in RBR the next year.

The odd of 26 for Sainz is because before qualifying he was at doubt if he would start the race at all while Leclerc confirmed he would start with pain relievers and it was sure to race.I believe this to be the fact to have such high odd for the win and we can be even smarter to place a bet on Sainz top three as since the odd for winning is 26 the odd for the podium should be well over 2 near 3 or even some more and this is highly more likely than any other type of bet.

I agree with the bookies though as long as Verstappen has that super car it will be difficult for him to not win any race.

Didn't watch quali...  How did that happen?  Lol.  And Ricciardo a spot above Perez?  Lmaooo.  I think it's a sign.  Ricciardo to move up to RBR, while Perez is thrown out.

And didn't see any sort of news about an investigation.  So the quali results is the starting grid?

Anyway, just for completeness' sake.  Here are the results.

2023 Mexican GP Qualifying Results

1      Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m18.401s   1m17.901s   1m17.166s
2   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m18.755s   1m18.382s   1m17.233s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m18.099s   1m17.625s   1m17.263s
4   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m18.341s   1m17.706s   1m17.382s
5   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m18.553s   1m18.124s   1m17.423s
6   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m18.677s   1m17.571s   1m17.454s
7   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m18.241s   1m17.874s   1m17.623s
8   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m18.893s   1m17.673s   1m17.674s
9   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m18.429s   1m18.016s   1m18.032s
10   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m19.016s   1m18.440s   1m18.050s
11   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m18.945s   1m18.521s   
12   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m18.969s   1m18.524s   
13   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m18.848s   1m18.738s   
14   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m18.828s   1m19.147s   
15   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri    1m18.890s   No Time Set   
16   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m19.080s       
17   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m19.163s       
18   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m19.227s       
19   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m21.554s       
20   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   No Time Set

And I checked out the betting market.  Vertappen is at 1.21.  Lol.  But Sainz is at 26.00?  I think that's worth a small bet imho.  

A really strange qualifying session like Leclerc said,it was a surprise to be on Pole Position but a good one.In fact he is completely right as I wonder where did Ferrari found all that pace that was not at all showing in both the free practices before the official qualifying.It is good that they are on the front row both of the Ferraris as the race promises to be a good one during today and I think that although Max is clearly advantaged for the win even from the bookies,a good team play in the start of the race by both Ferrari drivers would make the rest of the race interesting.

As for the free practices I thought they showed somewhat the true potential but apparently they do not.

Leclerc did an amazing work in qualifying by taking pole position.    Sainz also followed him right behind. Sainz actually hardly managed to make it to Q3 first as the best lap times of him and Zhou were really close. However if I'm not wrong Albon's best lap time was deleted and this made things easier for Sainz and especially Zhou. But Sainz was great in Q3.  

Ricciardo should be the driver about whom we should talk about the most now. Because he was awesome throughout the session and he even got 4th place being right behind Verstappen by 0.1s.    I don't know what AlphaTauri did in one week but it was a great job. However I'm not hopeful about his racing pace.

It was very interesting in today's race, Binder put up a very interesting fight with Martin and Martin managed to win, Binder received a penalty of dropping one position due to the track limit at turn 4 and the points result was that Bagnaia was still leading the standings temporarily with a difference of 13 points with Martin. I think the battle for world champion this year will come down to the Valencia series.

@retreat even though Ferrari sealed those spots the media reports it as a shocking result which shows how low they have fallen and it’s a long way for them to reclaim their glory day’s. Furthermore I believe that if they can consistently put in such performance only then can they challenge for the title again otherwise they’ll only continue to face criticism for their performances.

It was a very exciting qualifying where Mercedes, Ferrari and RBR, competed quite fiercely and showed their best performance. But of all that I was more surprised to see Danny beating the McLarens, Mercedes, and Perez. Maybe they didn't expect Danny to reach P4 in the car that's last in the WCC and outperform Perez at his home circuit in the RB19. This may further worry Perez that Red Bull will replace him as soon as possible because of his poor performance using a car as good as the RB19.

In all sessions at the Buriram circuit in Thailand this week, almost all of the first positions were wiped out by Jorge Martin (except in the race because it will only start today). Yesterday it was quite apparent that it was very difficult for Bagnaia to overtake several riders in front of him, which put him in an unfavorable position because yesterday Bagnaia didn't get a single point.

Jorge Martin, who has managed to cut the points gap with Bagnaia from 27 points to 18 points after winning the Sprint Race yesterday, is starting to again create quite fierce competition because today Bagnaia must be able to finish the race on the podium in order to maintain the points distance with Jorge Martin because Bagnaia he still needs a win to become world champion this season and that is now starting to look tough for him.

What an unexpected pole position we got.
Ferrari both in top 2 and Max 3rd.

It is not over yet since 10 drivers are under investigation.

Well since Albon has been consistent in both practices I am not saying that he will start from the front row in tomorrow race but I am pretty confident that he can make it again to Q3 in qualifying meaning he will start from top 10 and he is been doing this some consecutive races now,for me Redbull should take notes as they removed him for non performing when he was at Redbull,now he has experience and has matured a lot while Perez I doubt he will continue to race for Redbull based on his performances and we may see Albon another time at Redbull soon.

Verstappen should take the Pole easy as he has the best car and his appetite for winning as much as possible is not deteriorating at all after becoming already World Champion.

result for p3.

easy Max pole?

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m17.887s
2   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m17.957s
3   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m18.026s
4   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m18.248s
5   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m18.392s
6   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m18.437s
7   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m18.450s
8   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m18.480s
9   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m18.499s
10   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m18.522s
11   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m18.718s
12   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m18.917s
13   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m18.970s
14   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m19.094s
15   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m19.293s
16   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m19.320s
17   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m19.471s
18   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m19.509s
19   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m19.573s
20   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m19.839s


Albon again in top 2 

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1039506/1/furious-sainz-calls-stroll-penalty-after-dramatic-nearmiss

There are less than 2 hours left for qualifying to be underway. I never like to rely on the results of practice sessions. Because teams are preferring parts in worse condition for these sessions generally and this makes sense a lot. Because they need to keep clear from possible grid penalties as much as possible.

Albon seemed impressive in practice sessions so far but I can't be sure that he would be as good as that as for qualifying tonight.

The only thing I'm confident is that Verstappen would take pole position. 

That is a good information to know before betting anything on the Ferraris and in fact we may use this information to bet against them,kinda betting like Leclerc not in top 6 for example and even not in top 10 to try an extreme bet.Giovinazzi is a great driver for me and the reason he was out of Alfa Romeo was because Zhou had big sponsors behind his back as for the skills Zhou has brought nothing to the table and Giovinazzi would surely be a better driver for F1.

In the extreme case of Sainz skipping the GP I would love to see Giovinazzi take his place as I think he will drive very well in a Ferrari and it is a long time I am not seeing an Italian driver in a Ferrari,it would be nice to see,definitely.

in my opinion, the pressure is not on martin, but on bagnaia. you know that it is more difficult to defend than to chase first place. moreover, getting a podium in races and sprint races is not easy. bagnaia will not only be fighting martin, but also other drivers, which means his chances of getting p1 are not too big.

and in the race, martin will occupy 1st place and bagnaia will be in p6. this might be a good opportunity for martin to close his gap with bagnaia. and my feeling says that martin can take p1 in this race seeing his good performance in the sprint race.

Ah cool.  It could give Perez a higher chance of getting the fastest lap in the race as it's going to be more likely that the Ferraris are gonna be behind him rather than in front of him which is also going to make him struggle.

The Mexican GP will be the race where the teams' technical reinforcements will be at the forefront. Especially the cooling issue is very important. This is because the Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez circuit in the Mexican capital, located at high altitude (2.200), is famous for its huge cooling requirements to compensate for the reduced air density.

This means that the air density is down by around 20% and there is less air to cool the engine, brakes and other key elements in the cars. This means that teams are introducing new parts specifically designed to deliver extreme cooling solutions, and no team is bringing only performance related parts to Mexico. I think the race will not be based on absolute performance but experience will be at the forefront.