Todays gold at #mtgox - remember to pop popcorn before entering..
On "manual" withdraws and the 5% manual withdraw (normal) fee:
<@SarahCoinBit> zewelor It's complicated as to who can use it and who can not so we deal with people individually on it instead
On the need for making public announcements on their website and not just on IRC:
09:49 <@SarahCoinBit> zewelor IRC gets copied and pasted all over the internet. It is not a secret because it is only on IRC and not the website
On the current SEPA queue:
09:53 <@SarahCoinBit> Saykor SEPA are still being processed. I think the queue is 5 to 6 weeks, maybe less for smaller ones
Yes, SarahCoinBit actually works for MtGox. From the UK, of course.
Yes, giving some people the access of their money, and other people no access, IS A CRIME.
Yes, giving different information to different customers, so that some of them can profit financially on the expense of others, IS A CRIME.
Yes, lying in the age of open Internet is fucking distasteful. What are you waiting for? No matter how much time passes and how much money you can suck from your victims, you are still a bunch of lying bastards AND CRIMINALS. (That is, unless "justice" system is meanwhile completely overhauled to prosecute
only victimless "crimes" instead of the real ones where the criminal does harm others.. )
Ah you (sturle) were so smart as to have
prioritized address to the trading system so that you can pull your orders in the middle of my market buy execution? How smart you are, congratulations. Listen now, asshole: I also operate a silverbank, and know what is an honest way to design such systems, and not by a frigging long-shot would there be such an exploit that you mentioned!!! You are so deep in your crime that you deny even realizing it, making you such a sad clown in everyone's eyes who have a shred of sense of justice left.
I got your name and address, but this part of the message is still not discussed through. I am calling Mt.Gox and you
CRIMINALS, which means that you are
BREAKING EXISTING LAWS with your procedures regarding ability to get value out of Mt.Gox, in that they are designed, informed and applied discriminator(il)y between customers. Also the trading software allows for blatant manipulation of the trading, making it unpredictable for a customer even to know the outcome of a market order in advance! (I am in no way claiming that this was the most incredulous purposeful misexecution in your history, but this was the very trigger that caused the buy panic in Jan 26, which caused the withdrawal panic, which caused the lockdown.)
That is the thing that worries me the most: (Moral considerations aside), I would not dare to steal money from such many such important people as you are continuously stealing from with your machinations. This makes me believe that you are for all practical purposes under the same control as the (central) banks, known to ream people's ass with the expansion and contraction of credit ever since 1800s and before. Your workings resemble the workings of the installed puppets that claim to be our elected representatives. Sturle speaks like a fucking banker.
I am actually waiting for an answer. The time of silently stealing from widows, orphans and the working class is soon coming to an end.
ADD: To show how you
should deal with a situation when it is not clear (due to fire, flood, theft, hack, seizure, external pressure, technical or organizational problem) that you can immediately pay all customers what you have promised or lead them expect that will be paid, thus causing discrimination between clients:
III.2 Special situations
Force Majeure is a negative condition outside of the influence of the Merchant. Such includes, but is not limited to: war or riot, act of God, interruption of public transport, public communications or electricity supply, crime or attempted crime, act or order by authority, strike, lockout, boycott or other such activity, or a force majeure condition affecting a subcontractor. Suppliers of silver, however, are excluded from "subcontractors", and difficulties of the suppliers of silver will not have any impact on Merchant, Vault or Customers.
Merchant must immediately inform, by email, the Customers, if force majeure applies or ceases to apply.
As a result of force majeure, all or part of the Vault may not be in 100% control of the Merchant and thus not deliverable. To avoid any discrimination between the Customers, the following will happen:
Merchant immediately determines the amount of Coins still in Vault and in Merchant's control. This is prorated to Customers in their current accounts. The difference between previous and new balance will be credited to a new, "frozen" account. When the control to the Coins is re-established, the frozen account balance will be merged to the current account. This procedure ensures that Purchase, Withdrawal, Instant Withdrawal, Transfer and Pick-up activities can be continued in current accounts with no risk of actual or anticipated Coins deficit in the Vault. In other words, the Coins representing the balances of Accounts that the Customer can operate, are 100% controlled by the Merchant and usable by the Customers, even during force majeure.
SO obvious what these MTGOX thieves are doing. More and more obvious they have a limited amount of funds on hand and as not to appear broke are cashing out people in europoe bank accounts. Who knows if its not gox engaging in buying sell off accounts themselves at this point I wouldn't put anything past them. Everyone applauds the unregulation of bitcoin and how pure it is. Leave it to crooks to completly undermine everything bitcoin stands for by being the thieves and crooks they have portrayed themselves to be with their criminal actions.
Mt gox is allowing people to profit by short selling who have no means to get coins off ie americans. Mt gox should cease all withdrawls until everyone is allowed to cashout to prevent what is going on now short sales. And lol at keeping things positive while someone is outright based on agruments presented stealing money based on panic and fear that mt gox has themselves created .
