MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] - page 317.

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Ok, so I just encountered the "invalid bitcoin address" message when trying to make a withdrawal to a blockchain.info wallet...

Tried a smaller withdrawal with another address on my desktop bitcoin wallet...Success.

Try the original amount with the same desktop wallet address...Invalid bitcoin address.

Try with other addresses from my desktop wallet...Invalid bitcoin address.

Create new blockchain wallet, try with smaller amount...success.

Try original amount with new blockchain wallet...success.

Huh

?

Not sure if they're overloaded, resolved itself, or blocking withdrawals on purpose...but not feeling very good right now.

~~Bank~~ Bitcoin run, anyone?

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I'm glad I bailed on Gox when I did...after the Dwolla seizure. It isn't their fault but the US gov't is targeting them and you probably can't win that battle, long-term.

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Quote from: superduh on August 13, 2013, 07:24:17 PM

everyone blames Gox- and to be fair they have had their fare share of fuckups

however, the other exchanges are TOO SMALL at the moment to be facing the same problems mtgox has been facing.
once they "take over" they would be in the EXACT same situation.

part of the problem IS gox. a huge portion of the problem is the traditional banking system - this needs to be addressed correctly by the WHOLE industry. only then will the problems decrease

LOLZ so what you are saying is that the entire system is messed up and that it has to conform to Bitcoin exchanges? Gox is the lone problem, with a small fraction of bad luck.

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everyone blames Gox- and to be fair they have had their fare share of fuckups

however, the other exchanges are TOO SMALL at the moment to be facing the same problems mtgox has been facing.
once they "take over" they would be in the EXACT same situation.

part of the problem IS gox. a huge portion of the problem is the traditional banking system - this needs to be addressed correctly by the WHOLE industry. only then will the problems decrease

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Quote from: samson on August 13, 2013, 06:30:15 PM

I can't help thinking that MtGox's bank are covering themselves against potential SWIFT recalls from US based depositing banks.

Sending banks can recall a wire whenever thay want by the looks of it - just like a credit card chargeback.

This is obviously just a guess.

Hmm good theory.

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I can't help thinking that MtGox's bank are covering themselves against potential SWIFT recalls from US based depositing banks.

Sending banks can recall a wire whenever thay want by the looks of it - just like a credit card chargeback.

This is obviously just a guess.

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Quote from: smoothie on August 13, 2013, 06:11:47 PM

Quote from: zeroblock on August 12, 2013, 01:32:55 PM

Quote from: sturle on August 12, 2013, 01:14:10 PM

Quote from: zeroblock on August 12, 2013, 01:03:02 PM

Quote from: samson on August 12, 2013, 12:19:30 PM

Quote from: zeroblock on August 12, 2013, 11:51:52 AM

Can anyone confirm this conversation? If this is true, then we need to escalate this to a major news source. Gox needs to be outed for the fraud that it really is.

I can confirm it - it's on my screen now in the #mtgox channel on freenode.

[07:40] * cyro432 has joined #mtgox
[07:40] MagicalTux, people in this forum are saying they are going to go to SEC over not receiving money
[07:40] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179586.500
[07:41] [ MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] ]<br />[07:41] <DBordello> MagicalTux, that would be great. I am sure it'd help reduce the load<br />[07:42] <cyro432> I am aware of a number of delayed wire transfers over 3 weeks old<br />[07:42] <@MagicalTux> cyro432: not much we can do right now because of US govt<br />[07:44] * torment has joined #mtgox<br />[07:49] * sheldonthomas has joined #mtgox<br />[07:53] <phantomcircuit> cyro432, irony of ironies going to the us gov to fix a problem they largely created<br /><br />The differences in time shown here are due to the IRC program displaying local time. My timezone is GMT+7, Bangkok time.<br /></div>Whoa, alright time to hit up some media contacts everyone! <br /></div>I don't get it. What is new here? The Dwolla seizure has been known for a while. Have you been living in a cave for the last three months?<br /></div><br />No. What Karpeles is confirming is that the USD withdraws are being halted by the US gov. NOT due to problems with Mt.Gox's banking connections, which they have used as an excuse the last 2 months. This essentially means that USD withdraws will not resume for quite some time, if ever. <br /></div><br />I thought their dwolla acct was seized due to non MSB compliance in the US which Mark lied about over a year ago about.<br /></div><br />[07:42] <cyro432> I am aware of a number of delayed wire transfers over 3 weeks old<br />[07:42] <@MagicalTux> cyro432: <b>not much we can do right now because of US govt</b><br /><br />He is talking about the current situation, not Dwolla in May. The date of that conversation was July 24th. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/smoothie-25960" title="Profile of smoothie">smoothie</a> </div> <div class="position">legendary</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/legendary.gif" alt="" title="Legendary level"> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 2492</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 1473</div> <div class="avatar"> <img src="https://bitcointalk.org/useravatars/avatar_25960.png" alt="" title="Profile photo of smoothie"> </div> <div class="description">LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper</div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/smoothie-25960" title="Profile of smoothie"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg2927725"></a> <a href="/topic/m.2927725">Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering]</a> </div> <div class="date">August 13, 2013, 06:11:47 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.2927725">#620</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> <div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2918767">Quote from: zeroblock on August 12, 2013, 01:32:55 PM</a></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2918684">Quote from: sturle on August 12, 2013, 01:14:10 PM</a></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2918624">Quote from: zeroblock on August 12, 2013, 01:03:02 PM</a></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2918333">Quote from: samson on August 12, 2013, 12:19:30 PM</a></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2918139">Quote from: zeroblock on August 12, 2013, 11:51:52 AM</a></div><div class="quote">Can anyone confirm this conversation? If this is true, then we need to escalate this to a major news source. Gox needs to be outed for the fraud that it really is. <br /></div>I can confirm it - it's on my screen now in the #mtgox channel on freenode.<br /><br />[07:40] * cyro432 has joined #mtgox<br />[07:40] <cyro432> MagicalTux, people in this forum are saying they are going to go to SEC over not receiving money<br />[07:40] <cyro432> <a class="ul" href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179586.500" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179586.500</a><br />[07:41] <Title> [ MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] ]<br />[07:41] <DBordello> MagicalTux, that would be great. I am sure it'd help reduce the load<br />[07:42] <cyro432> I am aware of a number of delayed wire transfers over 3 weeks old<br />[07:42] <@MagicalTux> cyro432: not much we can do right now because of US govt<br />[07:44] * torment has joined #mtgox<br />[07:49] * sheldonthomas has joined #mtgox<br />[07:53] <phantomcircuit> cyro432, irony of ironies going to the us gov to fix a problem they largely created<br /><br />The differences in time shown here are due to the IRC program displaying local time. My timezone is GMT+7, Bangkok time.<br /></div>Whoa, alright time to hit up some media contacts everyone! <br /></div>I don't get it. What is new here? The Dwolla seizure has been known for a while. Have you been living in a cave for the last three months?<br /></div><br />No. What Karpeles is confirming is that the USD withdraws are being halted by the US gov. NOT due to problems with Mt.Gox's banking connections, which they have used as an excuse the last 2 months. This essentially means that USD withdraws will not resume for quite some time, if ever. <br /></div><br />I thought their dwolla acct was seized due to non MSB compliance in the US which Mark lied about over a year ago about. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/nagle-28488" title="Profile of Nagle">Nagle</a> </div> <div class="position">legendary</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/legendary.gif" alt="" title="Legendary level"> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 1204</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 1002</div> <div class="avatar"> </div> <div class="description"></div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/nagle-28488" title="Profile of Nagle"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg2927636"></a> <a href="/topic/m.2927636">Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering]</a> </div> <div class="date">August 13, 2013, 05:51:26 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.2927636">#619</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> <div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2927409">Quote from: sturle on August 13, 2013, 05:14:02 PM</a></div><div class="quote">Please tell us more about the laws and regulations against money laundering in Japan. What are the limits and what is MtGox required to report? When are they required to be more careful?<br /></div><a class="ul" href="http://www.npa.go.jp/sosikihanzai/jafic/en/maneron_e/manetop_e.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Overview, from Japan National Police Agency</a><br /><a class="ul" href="http://www.npa.go.jp/sosikihanzai/jafic/pdf/e_leaf20130401.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Poster version of law</a><br /><a class="ul" href="http://www.npa.go.jp/syokanhourei/hansyuu.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Text of Act on Prevention of Transfer of Criminal Proceeds</a><br /><br />There are requirements for account holder verification when opening an account. That's the big one. There's a record-keeping requirement. There's a requirement to report "suspicious transactions". There are thresholds at Y100,000 and Y2,000,000 which require extra reporting. Transfers to and from Iran and North Korea are consider "suspicious". The link to the poster above shows what's required for what. Verification requirements for foreign parties are a bit painful, but Mt. Gox has been doing that. <br /><br />None of this involves asking for permission from any Government agency before a money transfer. It's all reporting.<br /> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/smoothie-25960" title="Profile of smoothie">smoothie</a> </div> <div class="position">legendary</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/legendary.gif" alt="" title="Legendary level"> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 2492</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 1473</div> <div class="avatar"> <img src="https://bitcointalk.org/useravatars/avatar_25960.png" alt="" title="Profile photo of smoothie"> </div> <div class="description">LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper</div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/smoothie-25960" title="Profile of smoothie"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg2927620"></a> <a href="/topic/m.2927620">Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering]</a> </div> <div class="date">August 13, 2013, 05:48:34 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.2927620">#618</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> <div class="quote-header"><a href="#?">Quote from: ?? on ??</a></div><div class="quote"><b>CONFIRMATION TIME!</b><br /><br />I was on at #mtgox on irc.freenode.org when identified user MagicalTux, CEO of MtGox, gave the statements in sturles post <a class="ul" href="/topic/m.2924021">https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2924021</a> and I can confirm that the quotes are accurate and exactly what was said.<br /><br />It would be great if one or two other people who also have the conversation in their scrollback buffer can also confirm this.<br /><br />13:48 <@MagicalTux> sturles, we already applied to that one<br />13:51 <@MagicalTux> samson_, things are not easy, but it's far from what you could qualify as "embargo"<br />13:54 <@MagicalTux> sturles, we've been reducing SEPA delay day by day<br />13:54 <@MagicalTux> things are much better than one month ago<br />13:54 <@MagicalTux> nope<br />13:59 <@MagicalTux> sturles, "blocked" is not the correct word<br />14:00 <@MagicalTux> SleepersTide, right now all SWIFT transfers are processed up to the limits of our current bank (up to 10 transfers per day - we should be able to increase that as soon as we have more banking partners ready - it's taking longer than expected because of the time required by the people at the bank to understand our business)<br /><span style="font-size: 14pt !important; line-height: 1.3em;"><b>14:01 <@MagicalTux> sturles, we are not allowed to talk about the exact problem (doing so would only make things worse)</b></span><br />14:12 <@MagicalTux> sturles, most companies in Japan will do one, maybe two SWIFT transfers a month to providers overseas (actually most will do zero)<br />14:16 <@MagicalTux> Delerium, literal<br />14:17 <@MagicalTux> when we were in the second largest bank in Japan, we represented more than half of all the volume of SWIFT processed by that bank (almost overloading their systems a couple of times)<br />14:18 <@MagicalTux> rfish, rather than spending time on this, fixing it is likely going to bring more on the long term<br />14:19 <@MagicalTux> those wires are processed in received order, nothing else<br />14:25 <@MagicalTux> publishing that would be against our ToS<br />14:26 <@MagicalTux> (specifically privacy policies)<br /><br />^^ see sturles post for full conversation, just confirming MagicalTux's statements.<br /><br />..if you're wondering why we should confirm this is true: various "news outlets" are now watching and typing up stories<br /></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/sturle-1876" title="Profile of sturle">sturle</a> </div> <div class="position">legendary</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/legendary.gif" alt="" title="Legendary level"> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 1437</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 1002</div> <div class="avatar"> </div> <div class="description">https://bitmynt.no</div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/sturle-1876" title="Profile of sturle"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg2927409"></a> <a href="/topic/m.2927409">Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering]</a> </div> <div class="date">August 13, 2013, 05:14:02 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.2927409">#617</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> <div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2927085">Quote from: Nagle on August 13, 2013, 04:30:42 PM</a></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2926820">Quote from: sturle on August 13, 2013, 03:53:05 PM</a></div><div class="quote">I know. Laws against money laundering make a lot of trouble for their customers. But you are attacking the wrong people for it. You should attack the government instead. <i>And their bank regarding the limit of SWIFT transfers per day.</i> Fortunately MtGox are working with other banks to solve this particular problem, and the SEPA queue is already getting shorter. To raise the amount limits beyond what the anti money laundering laws permit, you have to go elsewhere, however.</div>There are no number of transaction limits associated with anti-money-laundering laws.<br /></div>Read again.<br /><div class="quoteheader">Quote</div><div class="quote">There are reporting requirements and a blacklist. There are prohibitions against making many little transactions below the reporting threshold ("smurfing"). <br /><br />Even Mt. Gox isn't claiming they have limits imposed by anti-money-laundering laws. (Because that can be checked.)<br /></div>Please tell us more about the laws and regulations against money laundering in Japan. What are the limits and what is MtGox required to report? When are they required to be more careful? </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/malevolent-23092" title="Profile of malevolent">malevolent</a> </div> <div class="position">legendary</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/legendary.gif" alt="" title="Legendary level"> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 3472</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 1722</div> <div class="avatar"> <img src="https://bitcointalk.org/useravatars/avatar_23092.png" alt="" title="Profile photo of malevolent"> </div> <div class="description"></div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/malevolent-23092" title="Profile of malevolent"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg2927099"></a> <a href="/topic/m.2927099">Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering]</a> </div> <div class="date">August 13, 2013, 04:32:19 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.2927099">#616</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> <div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2926820">Quote from: sturle on August 13, 2013, 03:53:05 PM</a></div><div class="quote">I haven't seen a check in my country since the early eighties. I got a check for 20 USD from an US company in 1998, but it was only valid in the USA. Travelling to Japan to cash out a check wouldn't be very attractive either, if they still have checks in Japan. Are checks still used anywhere?</div><br />They are still very common in France, at least as of 2009 when I last lived there. <br /><br />But in Poland for example (where I live now) checks are not used since mid-1990s. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/nagle-28488" title="Profile of Nagle">Nagle</a> </div> <div class="position">legendary</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/legendary.gif" alt="" title="Legendary level"> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 1204</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 1002</div> <div class="avatar"> </div> <div class="description"></div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/nagle-28488" title="Profile of Nagle"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg2927085"></a> <a href="/topic/m.2927085">Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering]</a> </div> <div class="date">August 13, 2013, 04:30:42 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.2927085">#615</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> <div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2926820">Quote from: sturle on August 13, 2013, 03:53:05 PM</a></div><div class="quote">I know. Laws against money laundering make a lot of trouble for their customers. But you are attacking the wrong people for it. You should attack the government instead. And their bank regarding the limit of SWIFT transfers per day. Fortunately MtGox are working with other banks to solve this particular problem, and the SEPA queue is already getting shorter. To raise the amount limits beyond what the anti money laundering laws permit, you have to go elsewhere, however.</div>There are no number of transaction limits associated with anti-money-laundering laws. There are reporting requirements and a blacklist. There are prohibitions against making many little transactions below the reporting threshold ("smurfing"). <br /><br />Even Mt. Gox isn't claiming they have limits imposed by anti-money-laundering laws. (Because that can be checked.)<br /><br /> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/sturle-1876" title="Profile of sturle">sturle</a> </div> <div class="position">legendary</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/legendary.gif" alt="" title="Legendary level"> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 1437</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 1002</div> <div class="avatar"> </div> <div class="description">https://bitmynt.no</div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/sturle-1876" title="Profile of sturle"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg2926820"></a> <a href="/topic/m.2926820">Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering]</a> </div> <div class="date">August 13, 2013, 03:53:05 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.2926820">#614</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> <div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2926695">Quote from: Nagle on August 13, 2013, 03:34:51 PM</a></div><div class="quote"><div class="quoteheader">Quote</div><div class="quote">At 10 SWIFT transfers a day the delays will obviously be endless.</div>Yes. That's very convenient for Mt. Gox if the suckers let them get away with it.<br /><br />Mt. Gox has always had anti-withdrawal policies. Their FAQ says there are no limits on deposits, but there are both rate and amount limits on withdrawals. That's always been suspicious.<br /></div>I know. Laws against money laundering make a lot of trouble for their customers. But you are attacking the wrong people for it. You should attack the government instead. And their bank regarding the limit of SWIFT transfers per day. Fortunately MtGox are working with other banks to solve this particular problem, and the SEPA queue is already getting shorter. To raise the amount limits beyond what the anti money laundering laws permit, you have to go elsewhere, however.<br /><br /><div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2926695">Quote from: Nagle on August 13, 2013, 03:34:51 PM</a></div><div class="quote">Assuming this isn't another fake excuse from Mt. Gox (given their track record, that's a strong possibility) they need a competent CFO. They either have no clue about cash management, or they like having excuses for not paying. <br /></div>MtGox's track record is better than most other exchanges.<br /><br /><div class="quoteheader">Quote</div><div class="quote">They're still in default on their obligations. It doesn't matter why they can't pay, only that they didn't. There are other ways they could make payments. They could write checks and send them by FedEx, for example. <br /></div>I haven't seen a check in my country since the early eighties. I got a check for 20 USD from an US company in 1998, but it was only valid in the USA. Travelling to Japan to cash out a check wouldn't be very attractive either, if they still have checks in Japan. Are checks still used anywhere?<br /><br />Edit: I would actually be very pissed if any exchange sent me a check which I would have to travel around half the world to redeem, and call that a payment. I didn't do more business with the US company either. Scammers. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/nagle-28488" title="Profile of Nagle">Nagle</a> </div> <div class="position">legendary</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/legendary.gif" alt="" title="Legendary level"> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 1204</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 1002</div> <div class="avatar"> </div> <div class="description"></div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/nagle-28488" title="Profile of Nagle"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg2926695"></a> <a href="/topic/m.2926695">Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering]</a> </div> <div class="date">August 13, 2013, 03:34:51 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.2926695">#613</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> <div class="quoteheader">Quote</div><div class="quote">At 10 SWIFT transfers a day the delays will obviously be endless.</div>Yes. That's very convenient for Mt. Gox if the suckers let them get away with it.<br /><br />Mt. Gox has always had anti-withdrawal policies. Their FAQ says there are no limits on deposits, but there are both rate and amount limits on withdrawals. That's always been suspicious.<br /><br />Assuming this isn't another fake excuse from Mt. Gox (given their track record, that's a strong possibility) they need a competent CFO. They either have no clue about cash management, or they like having excuses for not paying. <br /><br />They're still in default on their obligations. It doesn't matter why they can't pay, only that they didn't. There are other ways they could make payments. They could write checks and send them by FedEx, for example. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/sturle-1876" title="Profile of sturle">sturle</a> </div> <div class="position">legendary</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/legendary.gif" alt="" title="Legendary level"> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 1437</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 1002</div> <div class="avatar"> </div> <div class="description">https://bitmynt.no</div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/sturle-1876" title="Profile of sturle"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg2926176"></a> <a href="/topic/m.2926176">Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering]</a> </div> <div class="date">August 13, 2013, 02:20:41 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.2926176">#612</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> <div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2925369">Quote from: zeroblock on August 13, 2013, 12:15:39 PM</a></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2924021">Quote from: sturle on August 13, 2013, 08:25:31 AM</a></div><div class="quote">Here are some new IRC quotes for you, reordered for readability:<br /><div class="codeheader">Code:</div><div class="code"><pre style="margin-top: 0; display: inline;">13:43 < sturles> SEPA has been delayed for as long as I can remember. I wish <br /> MtGox had more SEPA banks, but they generally don't like <br /> Bitcoin buisnesses. Perhaps the one in Slovenia which <br /> Bitstamp is using could be worth a try? Could be troubled <br /> with the same issue, of course.<br />13:48 <@MagicalTux> sturles, we already applied to that one<br />13:53 < sturles> MagicalTux: Great! Lower SEPA delays would do wonders! In <br /> fact all good news regarding delays would be wonderful at this <br /> time..<br />13:54 <@MagicalTux> sturles, we've been reducing SEPA delay day by day<br />13:54 <@MagicalTux> things are much better than one month ago<br />13:54 < sturles> Have your limits increased?<br />13:54 <@MagicalTux> nope<br /></pre></div>This is great news!<br /></div>That is not great news, sounds like the Slovenia bank rejected their application. Also, their limits have not increased. This is bad news. <br /></div>Do you have a source for your claim that the bank in Slovenia rejected their application, or are you making that up?<br /><br />Reducing SEPA delay is very good news. SEPA withdrawals have been delayed for weeks and months for as long as I can remember. The forum threads about SEPA delays are years old. SWIFT used to be the solution (at a higher fee), and when that ceased to be a solution, the matters got even worse for a while, and are now finally improving.<br /><br /><div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2924021">Quote from: sturle on August 13, 2013, 08:25:31 AM</a></div><div class="quote"> <br /><div class="codeheader">Code:</div><div class="code"><pre style="margin-top: 0; display: inline;">13:50 < samson_> MagicalTux: Would you say we're facing a banking embargo on <br /> the entire Bitcoin business ?<br />13:51 <@MagicalTux> samson_, things are not easy, but it's far from what you <br /> could qualify as "embargo"<br />13:51 < samson_> ok thanks<br /></pre></div>Difficulties (we know that from many countries, e.g. UK), but no organized embargo.<br /></div>I don't think he is going to go "yep, no bank wants to do business with us" (for some lolz, please refer to previous answer in section above). He skirts around the question by directly referring to "embargo" rather than the difficulties they are facing, which he has confirmed prior<@MagicalTux> cyro432: not much we can do right now because of US govt"<br /></div>If you lift the rock you live under and look back, you may notice that 40% of all Bitcoin exchanges have either been forced to close or have had serious problems due to banks not wanting them as customers any more. Banking and Bitcoin have never been good friends. Bitcoin exchanges in Europe are limited to very few banks which are not hostile, and those banks are in countries far from the exchanges. This should tell you something.<br /><div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2924021">Quote from: sturle on August 13, 2013, 08:25:31 AM</a></div><div class="quote"> <br /><div class="codeheader">Code:</div><div class="code"><pre style="margin-top: 0; display: inline;">13:58 < sturles> Btw, there are roumous now that USD withdrawals are somehow <br /> blocked entirely. Is there any truth to that? Some people <br /> intepret this as "US government are blocking all USD <br /> withdrawals": <@MagicalTux> cyro432: not much we can do right <br /> now because of US govt<br />13:59 <@MagicalTux> sturles, "blocked" is not the correct word<br />14:00 < sturles> What is the exact problem then? You can see here how the <br /> speculations go: <br />https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179586.msg2918767#msg2918767<br />14:01 <@MagicalTux> sturles, we are not allowed to talk about the exact problem <br /> (doing so would only make things worse)<br /></pre></div>That's no explanation of the problem, but explains the lack of news. For other currencies:<br /></div>I don't see how this answer doesn't scare the hell out of you. And you brush it off like its an acceptable reply. "Not allowed to talk about the exact problem" that is by far the worst excuse for lack of transparency. <br /></div>The USSA are issuing "National Security Letters" by the truckload these days – everybody has at least one – and secret laws, regulations, courts and concentration camps make sure we don't want to talk about it to each other. This isn't news. When dealing with the USSA we are not allowed to speak our own opinion.<br /><div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2924021">Quote from: sturle on August 13, 2013, 08:25:31 AM</a></div><div class="quote"> <br /><div class="codeheader">Code:</div><div class="code"><pre style="margin-top: 0; display: inline;">13:58 < SleepersTide> MagicalTux: Are Australian bank transfer withdrawals <br /> being processed normally?<br />13:58 < SleepersTide> (also how long do those take?)<br />14:00 <@MagicalTux> SleepersTide, right now all SWIFT transfers are processed <br /> up to the limits of our current bank (up to 10 transfers <br /> per day - we should be able to increase that as soon as we <br /> have more banking partners ready - it's taking longer than <br /> expected because of the time required by the people at the <br /> bank to understand our business)<br />14:10 < sturles> MagicalTux: Why only 10 SWIFT transfers per day? Is that <br /> commonplace for customers in your bank?<br />14:12 <@MagicalTux> sturles, most companies in Japan will do one, maybe two <br /> SWIFT transfers a month to providers overseas (actually <br /> most will do zero)14:14 < Delerium> when you say transfers per day you mean 10 swift runs <br /> (containing LOADS of transfers within) or literally just 10 <br /> transfers<br />14:16 <@MagicalTux> Delerium, literal<br />14:17 <@MagicalTux> when we were in the second largest bank in Japan, we <br /> represented more than half of all the volume of SWIFT <br /> processed by that bank (almost overloading their systems a <br /> couple of times)<br /></pre></div>With only 10 withdrawals per day in all other currencies than JPY and EUR, it is going to take time. And he confirms again that MtGox are in fact overloading their bank. The discussion is still going on, btw. About ordering and more about transparency:<br /></div>"Its taking longer than expected... [for] the people at the bank to understand our business." I just don't know what to say at this point. I mean to expect me to believe that it takes 2-3 months for very intelligent individuals at a bank to understand how Bitcoin works is difficult. And that they overloaded the second largest bank in Japan is extremely hard to believe. <br /></div>See previous note about exchanges closing or getting in serious trouble due to banking trouble. Are Barclays still sitting on Intersango's GBP? It is vitally important that the banks understand what MtGox are doing. Otherwise we'll just end up with even more trouble and locked funds.<br /><div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2924021">Quote from: sturle on August 13, 2013, 08:25:31 AM</a></div><div class="quote"> <br /><div class="codeheader">Code:</div><div class="code"><pre style="margin-top: 0; display: inline;">14:17 < rfish> MagicalTux: I think you owe it to customers to make the numbers <br /> of swift transfers you are doing per day more public and explain <br /> the reasons<br />14:18 <@MagicalTux> rfish, rather than spending time on this, fixing it is <br /> likely going to bring more on the long term<br />14:18 < rfish> MagicalTux: And you should be fair about which you do, like <br /> wires greater than X amount, in the order they are received<br />14:19 <@MagicalTux> those wires are processed in received order, nothing else<br /></pre></div></div>"<@MagicalTux> rather than spending time on this, fixing it is likely going to bring more on the long term" <br /><br />Ok, well in the 30 seconds you spend reviewing your press releases, maybe you should insert some truth somewhere. This is a different statement than before "<@MagicalTux> Not allowed to talk about the exact problem" instead he shifts the blame to being "too busy."<br /></div>I understand that the SWIFT limit is not exactly the same as their USD problem, but this may be a misunderstanding. At least he explains how they are working to solve their problem with SWIFT transfer limits. I agree that fixing the problem is more important than talking about it.<br /><div class="quoteheader">Quote</div><div class="quote">"<@MagicalTux> those wires are processed in received order, nothing else"<br /><br />This is in direct contradiction to what MagicalTux posted a few weeks ago where he said that "5 digit or more" wires were taking priority. I'm done. No further explanation necessary. Let everyone decide for themselves whether or not they believe any word that comes out of Gox's mouth. <br /><br />July 24, 2013: <br />[14:45] <@MagicalTux> right now we're giving priority to larger transfers<br />[14:45] <racerx> please define "larger"<br />[14:46] <@MagicalTux> 5 digits or more<br /></div>This has obviously changed. Perhaps they have listened to all the protests. I don't know. At 10 SWIFT transfers a day the delays will obviously be endless unless they focus on solving the problem instead of the exact ordering of the queue. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/balanghai-143158" title="Profile of balanghai">balanghai</a> </div> <div class="position">sr. member</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 364</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 253</div> <div class="avatar"> </div> <div class="description"></div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/balanghai-143158" title="Profile of balanghai"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg2926108"></a> <a href="/topic/m.2926108">Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering]</a> </div> <div class="date">August 13, 2013, 02:09:26 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.2926108">#611</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> Anymore here experiencing such delay? Makes me think on staying away if this trend goes north. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/boblemoine-1972" title="Profile of BobLemoine">BobLemoine</a> </div> <div class="position">newbie</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 7</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 0</div> <div class="avatar"> </div> <div class="description"></div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/boblemoine-1972" title="Profile of BobLemoine"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg2926035"></a> <a href="/topic/m.2926035">Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering]</a> </div> <div class="date">August 13, 2013, 01:56:50 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.2926035">#610</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> My last Mtgox withdrawal arrived today :-)<br />2013/05/04 745e -> received on 2013/05/07 (3 days)<br />2013/05/05 1000e -> received on 2013/06/03 (29 days)<br />2013/05/06 1000e -> received on 2013/07/23 (78 days)<br />2013/05/07 1200e -> received on 2013/08/01 (85 days)<br />2013/05/15 2000e -> received on 2013/08/13 (90 days)<br />Even if these delays are terribles, in my point of view Mtgox is OK <br />they doesn't lost my money like Mybitcoin did (around 100btc lost).<br />My wish now is to have the same happy end with bitcoin-24 !<br />I wish good luck to everyone who wait for withdraw.<br /><br /> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/sturle-1876" title="Profile of sturle">sturle</a> </div> <div class="position">legendary</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/legendary.gif" alt="" title="Legendary level"> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 1437</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 1002</div> <div class="avatar"> </div> <div class="description">https://bitmynt.no</div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/sturle-1876" title="Profile of sturle"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg2925898"></a> <a href="/topic/m.2925898">Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering]</a> </div> <div class="date">August 13, 2013, 01:32:29 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.2925898">#609</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> <div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2925113">Quote from: sirk390 on August 13, 2013, 11:33:27 AM</a></div><div class="quote">This looks like a the contradiction between what ivanb and MagicalTux say:<br /><div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2924134">Quote from: ivanb on August 13, 2013, 08:48:13 AM</a></div><div class="quote">SEPA test withdraw of 101€ from 05.08.2013 arrived today!<br />Larger EU withdrwas of 700 - 1000 € didnt arrive after 5 weeks of waiting, so I canceld it.<br /></div><div class="quoteheader">Quote</div><div class="quote">14:19 <@MagicalTux> those wires are processed in received order, nothing else<br /></div></div>You quoted Mark out of context. SEPA != SWIFT As I understand it SWIFT transfers are limited by number of transfers, while SEPA is limited by a daily amount. It only makes sense then to fill the daily SEPA quota with small transfers to maximize their throughput. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/malevolent-23092" title="Profile of malevolent">malevolent</a> </div> <div class="position">legendary</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/legendary.gif" alt="" title="Legendary level"> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 3472</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 1722</div> <div class="avatar"> <img src="https://bitcointalk.org/useravatars/avatar_23092.png" alt="" title="Profile photo of malevolent"> </div> <div class="description"></div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/malevolent-23092" title="Profile of malevolent"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg2925739"></a> <a href="/topic/m.2925739">Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering]</a> </div> <div class="date">August 13, 2013, 01:09:12 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.2925739">#608</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> I got scared a bit when I read that people's bitcoin withdrawals were not going through so I decided to withdraw my remaining bitcoins from Mt.Gox, I did it in a few separate transactions in case withdrawing the whole lot would trigger an account blocking and a request for submitting documents I do not want to submit. Fortunately all ended well and I got my BTC.<br /><br /><div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.2925703">Quote from: ajk on August 13, 2013, 01:03:21 PM</a></div><div class="quote">MTgox having banking troubles is both scary and good considering that the workload is now being diversified to other exchanges, simply put most of the FUD is created by users. 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