Hey Altcoin4Life, are you willing to release the whisper logs with marcos012 / MurderousKirk intruder?
I'm curious what that conversation looked like.
Topic: My Swing Developer / Hero account stolen - sold to Altcoin4Life in scam loan - page 4. (Read 5717 times)
January 30, 2016, 05:31:04 AM
January 30, 2016, 03:49:09 AM
You'll forgive us if we don't pity you for stressing out over something so inconsequential as a message board account. Your arrogance is not a good trait in this scenario, someone else has lost money because of your incompetence and you want to walk away for free. This is your fault at the end of the day, at the least you did not use a secure password on your account and at the worst you have stolen a loan.
There are two options that I can see: You pay altcoin half of what he lost to have the account returned or have the account returned for free, but receive a tsunami of negative rep making it useless.
I don't think you understand what irony is. Let's just be clear here: There is no evidence that Swingdev/Murderouskirk was hacked. It would not be the first time that a priviledged member here went rogue and came up with a woe me story to extract some cash from people - many times he mentioned having no money. Scammer logic? How do you know he didn't sell the account and then decided to go back on it? They both share the blame.
January 30, 2016, 02:14:20 AM
I guess he went to bed. Not seeing anything from him yet. Checked my email and nothing from him or Theymos. No messages either.
He has also not removed the negative rep on this profile, which I don't care about, just pointing out that he said he would after I did and has since responded.
He must have gotten busy and forgot to remove it.
OK please remove your feedback, i will also remove my negative as well.
OK thanks
I HAVE NO INTENTION OF SELLING THIS ACCOUNT.
ALSO ONCE YOU GET YOUR ACCOUNT BACK YOU CAN CONTACT THE USERS THAT LEFT MURDEROUSKIRK NEG TRUST TO CONFIRM YOU HAVE GOT YOUR ACCOUNT BACK AND CAN THEY PLEASE REMOVE THEIR NEG TRUST THEY LEFT KIRK.
I WILL GIVE THE ACCOUNT BACK TO YOU, PLEASE WAIT.
ONCE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE ACCOUNT PLEASE POST HERE AS WELL AS YOUR DEV THREAD CONFIRMING THE ACCOUNT HAS BEEN RETURNED TO YOU SO THAT THE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN YOUR SWINGCOIN WILL KNOW.
Thanks
Altcoin4life
He has also not removed the negative rep on this profile, which I don't care about, just pointing out that he said he would after I did and has since responded.
He must have gotten busy and forgot to remove it.
OK please remove your feedback, i will also remove my negative as well.
Done.
Also I just meant that it'd be at risk if you decided to sell it to recover your losses.
I did not mean to imply you would try to infect my community my apologies.
Once you return the account I will be sure to post positive rep from both SwingDev and MurderousKirk.
Also I just meant that it'd be at risk if you decided to sell it to recover your losses.
I did not mean to imply you would try to infect my community my apologies.
Once you return the account I will be sure to post positive rep from both SwingDev and MurderousKirk.
OK thanks
I HAVE NO INTENTION OF SELLING THIS ACCOUNT.
ALSO ONCE YOU GET YOUR ACCOUNT BACK YOU CAN CONTACT THE USERS THAT LEFT MURDEROUSKIRK NEG TRUST TO CONFIRM YOU HAVE GOT YOUR ACCOUNT BACK AND CAN THEY PLEASE REMOVE THEIR NEG TRUST THEY LEFT KIRK.
I WILL GIVE THE ACCOUNT BACK TO YOU, PLEASE WAIT.
ONCE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE ACCOUNT PLEASE POST HERE AS WELL AS YOUR DEV THREAD CONFIRMING THE ACCOUNT HAS BEEN RETURNED TO YOU SO THAT THE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN YOUR SWINGCOIN WILL KNOW.
Thanks
Altcoin4life
January 29, 2016, 08:59:52 PM
glad to see altcoin4life is returning it.
January 29, 2016, 08:39:39 PM
You'll forgive us if we don't pity you for stressing out over something so inconsequential as a message board account. Your arrogance is not a good trait in this scenario, someone else has lost money because of your incompetence and you want to walk away for free. This is your fault at the end of the day, at the least you did not use a secure password on your account and at the worst you have stolen a loan.
There are two options that I can see: You pay altcoin half of what he lost to have the account returned or have the account returned for free, but receive a tsunami of negative rep making it useless.
At least Altcoin4life is returning the account. Props to him for recognizing the situation.
January 29, 2016, 08:38:01 PM
Hi Altcoin4life,
That's great!
When and where can I expect my account info?
That's great!
When and where can I expect my account info?
January 29, 2016, 08:20:14 PM
You'll forgive us if we don't pity you for stressing out over something so inconsequential as a message board account. Your arrogance is not a good trait in this scenario, someone else has lost money because of your incompetence and you want to walk away for free. This is your fault at the end of the day, at the least you did not use a secure password on your account and at the worst you have stolen a loan.
There are two options that I can see: You pay altcoin half of what he lost to have the account returned or have the account returned for free, but receive a tsunami of negative rep making it useless.
January 29, 2016, 08:04:19 PM
murderouskirk, when you get your account back please post a signed message here in this thread.
January 29, 2016, 07:29:03 PM
Done.
Also I just meant that it'd be at risk if you decided to sell it to recover your losses.
I did not mean to imply you would try to infect my community my apologies.
Once you return the account I will be sure to post positive rep from both SwingDev and MurderousKirk.
Also I just meant that it'd be at risk if you decided to sell it to recover your losses.
I did not mean to imply you would try to infect my community my apologies.
Once you return the account I will be sure to post positive rep from both SwingDev and MurderousKirk.
OK thanks
I HAVE NO INTENTION OF SELLING THIS ACCOUNT.
ALSO ONCE YOU GET YOUR ACCOUNT BACK YOU CAN CONTACT THE USERS THAT LEFT MURDEROUSKIRK NEG TRUST TO CONFIRM YOU HAVE GOT YOUR ACCOUNT BACK AND CAN THEY PLEASE REMOVE THEIR NEG TRUST THEY LEFT KIRK.
I WILL GIVE THE ACCOUNT BACK TO YOU, PLEASE WAIT.
ONCE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE ACCOUNT PLEASE POST HERE AS WELL AS YOUR DEV THREAD CONFIRMING THE ACCOUNT HAS BEEN RETURNED TO YOU SO THAT THE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN YOUR SWINGCOIN WILL KNOW.
Thanks
Altcoin4life
January 29, 2016, 06:44:59 PM
Done.
Also I just meant that it'd be at risk if you decided to sell it to recover your losses.
I did not mean to imply you would try to infect my community my apologies.
Once you return the account I will be sure to post positive rep from both SwingDev and MurderousKirk.
Also I just meant that it'd be at risk if you decided to sell it to recover your losses.
I did not mean to imply you would try to infect my community my apologies.
Once you return the account I will be sure to post positive rep from both SwingDev and MurderousKirk.
January 29, 2016, 06:23:00 PM
You'll forgive us if we don't pity you for stressing out over something so inconsequential as a message board account. Your arrogance is not a good trait in this scenario, someone else has lost money because of your incompetence and you want to walk away for free. This is your fault at the end of the day, at the least you did not use a secure password on your account and at the worst you have stolen a loan.
There are two options that I can see: You pay altcoin half of what he lost to have the account returned or have the account returned for free, but receive a tsunami of negative rep making it useless.
There are two options that I can see: You pay altcoin half of what he lost to have the account returned or have the account returned for free, but receive a tsunami of negative rep making it useless.
Insults aside, the fact that you see a compromised developer account with download links and such being pushed to users of this forum as inconsequential says a lot about you. I don't care about the account this is not why I'm stressed. I'm stressed because I want to be sure the developer account doesn't start passing out infected links in the future.
SwingDev
I can only take you at your word your account was hacked. If it transpires later on you loaned / sold / gave away / borrowed to another / left your account open at a cyber cafe and walked away / took a dive / or some other thing that wasn't having your account hacked, I won't be very impressed with you.
I can only take you at your word your account was hacked. If it transpires later on you loaned / sold / gave away / borrowed to another / left your account open at a cyber cafe and walked away / took a dive / or some other thing that wasn't having your account hacked, I won't be very impressed with you.
I wouldn't be very impressed either but I didn't do those things. Somone managed to get my password or recover my account through other means. That's what happened.
Altcoin4Life, I have no power over other people's rep reports. I probably wont be able to get them to remove the rep on either of our accounts.
I will update my rep to positive on your account, I will give you the little BTC I have, and if I manage to get more BTC I will try to send more your way. I would have like to send half immediately upon return but unfortunately I don't have that much BTC atm.
To be frank at this point I'd be just as happy with you helping me link the old thread to a new one and destroying access to the account. My only concern in this matter is the security risk to my holders. If it was "something so inconsequential as a message board account" as fortify over here says I would have given up long ago.
Hi Swing
OK if you do find you can transfer some money that would be good in the future some time.
THERE IS NO SECURITY RISK AT ALL OF ME SENDING MALICIOUS LINKS TO ANY OF YOUR COIN HOLDERS ...0% RISK.... IMPOSSIBLE
DID YOU NOT NOTICE THAT I HAVE NOT EVEN LOGGED IN TO MURDEROUSKIRK ACCOUNT SINCE 14 JANUARY??
MURDEROUSKIRK
Last Active: 14 January 2016, 22:45:01
OK please remove your feedback, i will also remove my negative as well.
Once you have done this let me know.
Let me know
Thanks
Altcoin4life
January 29, 2016, 06:13:17 PM
You'll forgive us if we don't pity you for stressing out over something so inconsequential as a message board account. Your arrogance is not a good trait in this scenario, someone else has lost money because of your incompetence and you want to walk away for free. This is your fault at the end of the day, at the least you did not use a secure password on your account and at the worst you have stolen a loan.
There are two options that I can see: You pay altcoin half of what he lost to have the account returned or have the account returned for free, but receive a tsunami of negative rep making it useless.
There are two options that I can see: You pay altcoin half of what he lost to have the account returned or have the account returned for free, but receive a tsunami of negative rep making it useless.
Insults aside, the fact that you see a compromised developer account with download links and such being pushed to users of this forum as inconsequential says a lot about you. I don't care about the account this is not why I'm stressed. I'm stressed because I want to be sure the developer account doesn't start passing out infected links in the future.
SwingDev
I can only take you at your word your account was hacked. If it transpires later on you loaned / sold / gave away / borrowed to another / left your account open at a cyber cafe and walked away / took a dive / or some other thing that wasn't having your account hacked, I won't be very impressed with you.
I can only take you at your word your account was hacked. If it transpires later on you loaned / sold / gave away / borrowed to another / left your account open at a cyber cafe and walked away / took a dive / or some other thing that wasn't having your account hacked, I won't be very impressed with you.
I wouldn't be very impressed either but I didn't do those things. Somone managed to get my password or recover my account through other means. That's what happened.
Altcoin4Life, I have no power over other people's rep reports. I probably wont be able to get them to remove the rep on either of our accounts.
I will update my rep to positive on your account, I will give you the little BTC I have, and if I manage to get more BTC I will try to send more your way. I would have like to send half immediately upon return but unfortunately I don't have that much BTC atm.
To be frank at this point I'd be just as happy with you helping me link the old thread to a new one and destroying access to the account. My only concern in this matter is the security risk to my holders. If it was "something so inconsequential as a message board account" as fortify over here says I would have given up long ago.
January 29, 2016, 05:24:30 PM
I have left the following negative trust for Altcoin4life
I am not sure I will remove if the account is returned.
Quote
Altcoin4life admitted to being in possession of SwingDev 's account that was stolen and is refusing to return the account unless a bribe is paid for its return.
I am not sure I will remove if the account is returned.
January 29, 2016, 02:10:13 PM
Hi suchmoon
Swingdev was refusing to provide a signed message until a few days ago, this was the main reason for this situation.
Now that he has given a signed message proving he is the owner and we have pmed each other, i have decided to give back the account.
I would please request you remove your feedback as i will now definitely give the account back to swingdev as he has given proof now.
Many Thanks
Altcoin4life
Swingdev was refusing to provide a signed message until a few days ago, this was the main reason for this situation.
Now that he has given a signed message proving he is the owner and we have pmed each other, i have decided to give back the account.
I would please request you remove your feedback as i will now definitely give the account back to swingdev as he has given proof now.
Many Thanks
Altcoin4life
My neutral feedback for you has nothing to do with you giving (or not) the account back. It's factual and will stay. Don't use it for bargaining.
My negative feedback for murderouskirk may be revised to neutral after the original owner gets it back if I can be reasonably sure that actually happened. At this point in time the feedback is factual and is staying.
January 29, 2016, 01:43:17 PM
Hi Swingdev
OK i have made a decision. I WILL GIVE THE ACCOUNT BACK SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
THIS SITUATION HAS BEEN GOING ON FAR TOO LONG.
THEYMOS WILL PROBABLY TAKE A LONG TIME AS IT LOOKS LIKE HE IS NOT RESPONDING.
I WILL GIVE THE ACCOUNT BACK ON THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS
1) WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DO PAY SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE TO ME = YOU MAKE A POST ON THIS FORUM - STATING HOW MUCH YOU PAID - WITH PROOF TO MY ADDRESS 1HbPkpQiKgq48mCpL5BTxyVsHf4fjM8uop
ONCE YOU HAVE DONE THIS I WILL REPLY CONFIRMING TO EVERYONE I HAVE RECEIVED SOMETHING
2) YOU PM AND REQUEST THE FOLLOWING USERS TO REMOVE THEIR NEUTRAL AND NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, THEY SHOULD CONFIRM THEY WILL REMOVE THEIR FEEDBACK.
Blazed
suchmoon
Lutpin
SwingDev
THEY SHOULD IDEALLY POST ON THIS THREAD CONFIRMING THEY HAVE DELETED FEEDBACK.
ONLY ONCE HAVE THEY DONE THIS I WILL GIVE YOUR ACCOUNT BACK.
I WILL PM YOU AFTER, IF I DO NOT RETURN IT ASAP THEY CAN AGAIN LEAVE ME NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FOR GOING BACK ON MY WORD.
So then Swingdev, let me know if you agree and hopefully this issue will be solved.
Thanks
Altcoin4life
Will you stop with CAPS AND RED.
Don't drag me into your shit. My trust feedback is factual and there is no reason to remove it. It's not about your dispute with SwingDev, it's about your unsafe lending practices. Using it for bargaining with SwingDev leads me to trust you even less.
Hi suchmoon
Swingdev was refusing to provide a signed message until a few days ago, this was the main reason for this situation.
Now that he has given a signed message proving he is the owner and we have pmed each other, i have decided to give back the account.
I would please request you remove your feedback as i will now definitely give the account back to swingdev as he has given proof now.
Many Thanks
Altcoin4life
January 29, 2016, 01:35:55 PM
Hi Swingdev
OK i have made a decision. I WILL GIVE THE ACCOUNT BACK SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
THIS SITUATION HAS BEEN GOING ON FAR TOO LONG.
THEYMOS WILL PROBABLY TAKE A LONG TIME AS IT LOOKS LIKE HE IS NOT RESPONDING.
I WILL GIVE THE ACCOUNT BACK ON THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS
1) WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DO PAY SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE TO ME = YOU MAKE A POST ON THIS FORUM - STATING HOW MUCH YOU PAID - WITH PROOF TO MY ADDRESS 1HbPkpQiKgq48mCpL5BTxyVsHf4fjM8uop
ONCE YOU HAVE DONE THIS I WILL REPLY CONFIRMING TO EVERYONE I HAVE RECEIVED SOMETHING
2) YOU PM AND REQUEST THE FOLLOWING USERS TO REMOVE THEIR NEUTRAL AND NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, THEY SHOULD CONFIRM THEY WILL REMOVE THEIR FEEDBACK.
Blazed
suchmoon
Lutpin
SwingDev
THEY SHOULD IDEALLY POST ON THIS THREAD CONFIRMING THEY HAVE DELETED FEEDBACK.
ONLY ONCE HAVE THEY DONE THIS I WILL GIVE YOUR ACCOUNT BACK.
I WILL PM YOU AFTER, IF I DO NOT RETURN IT ASAP THEY CAN AGAIN LEAVE ME NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FOR GOING BACK ON MY WORD.
So then Swingdev, let me know if you agree and hopefully this issue will be solved.
Thanks
Altcoin4life
Will you stop with CAPS AND RED.
Don't drag me into your shit. My trust feedback is factual and there is no reason to remove it. It's not about your dispute with SwingDev, it's about your unsafe lending practices. Using it for bargaining with SwingDev leads me to trust you even less.
January 29, 2016, 01:23:19 PM
I have changed my rating for neutral for now and hope you guys work something out then. To me, it sounded like you were unwilling to hand the account back without demanding full payment.
Hi Blazed
We are trying to sort this out now.
The issue was that he was refusing to give a signed message until recently, until whywefight persuaded him to give one.
Thanks
Altcoin4life
Also I want to point out that (as explained in the ann) this was due to my misunderstanding and inexperience with using digital signatures to prove account ownership. I thought both were supposed to be blank messages and saw this as a giant security risk.
Whywefight helped me realize my misunderstanding and I promptly provided a signature on the 27th. Also posted in the ANN.
Now if you'll excuse me for a few hours I'm going to bed stressed and irritated about this for the 12th (13th?) day in a row.
Hi Swingdev
OK i have made a decision. I WILL GIVE THE ACCOUNT BACK SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
THIS SITUATION HAS BEEN GOING ON FAR TOO LONG.
THEYMOS WILL PROBABLY TAKE A LONG TIME AS IT LOOKS LIKE HE IS NOT RESPONDING.
I WILL GIVE THE ACCOUNT BACK ON THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS
1) WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DO PAY SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE TO ME = YOU MAKE A POST ON THIS FORUM - STATING HOW MUCH YOU PAID - WITH PROOF TO MY ADDRESS 1HbPkpQiKgq48mCpL5BTxyVsHf4fjM8uop
ONCE YOU HAVE DONE THIS I WILL REPLY CONFIRMING TO EVERYONE I HAVE RECEIVED SOMETHING
2) YOU PM AND REQUEST THE FOLLOWING USERS TO REMOVE THEIR NEUTRAL AND NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, THEY SHOULD CONFIRM THEY WILL REMOVE THEIR FEEDBACK.
Blazed
suchmoon
Lutpin
SwingDev
THEY SHOULD IDEALLY POST ON THIS THREAD CONFIRMING THEY HAVE DELETED FEEDBACK.
ONLY ONCE HAVE THEY DONE THIS I WILL GIVE YOUR ACCOUNT BACK.
I WILL PM YOU AFTER, IF I DO NOT RETURN IT ASAP THEY CAN AGAIN LEAVE ME NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FOR GOING BACK ON MY WORD.
So then Swingdev, let me know if you agree and hopefully this issue will be solved.
Thanks
Altcoin4life
January 29, 2016, 12:44:58 PM
SwingDev
I can only take you at your word your account was hacked. If it transpires later on you loaned / sold / gave away / borrowed to another / left your account open at a cyber cafe and walked away / took a dive / or some other thing that wasn't having your account hacked, I won't be very impressed with you.
I can only take you at your word your account was hacked. If it transpires later on you loaned / sold / gave away / borrowed to another / left your account open at a cyber cafe and walked away / took a dive / or some other thing that wasn't having your account hacked, I won't be very impressed with you.
January 29, 2016, 12:36:53 PM
(blah)
Also how was it hacked in the first place? Bad password? Malware downloaded?
I really would like to know how the account got compromised in the first place.
Also i did not say i will NEVER give the account back, i wanted to know about these details first.
Yeah those are right questions exactly what i would like to ask swingdev.He also didnt stated how he was hacked.He only mentioned he was hacked.Was that enough ??
Am I the only one who recalls this whole forum was offline some six or eight months ago and all of us were sent an email stating we had to change our passwords upon restarting of the forum due to a bulk password hack attack?
Altcoin4life
You are handling stolen goods. Think about the real world consequences of that crime.
January 29, 2016, 08:25:42 AM
That's what you get for not securing your account.
I don't blame alt coin for not giving it back, he should resell it to cover his losses. You're irrelevant in this matter.
I don't blame alt coin for not giving it back, he should resell it to cover his losses. You're irrelevant in this matter.
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