Topic: My Swing Developer / Hero account stolen - sold to Altcoin4Life in scam loan - page 6. (Read 5740 times)

It seems to me both parties are at fault here.

Do we have any idea how the original account was hacked? Was it brute forced? Was it a keylogger/virus/malware on the original account holders computer? Was it a weak/common password?
If the password was real secure it would have been a virus/malware on the original account holders computer, this puts the blame more towards SwingDev IMHO. If the password was weak SwingDev should have made it more secure, especially on a Hero Member account.

As for Altcoins part in this, ALWAYS make sure you get a signed message from a stacked address, this is the ONLY way to make sure the user is actually the REAL account holder.

I think taking a 50/50 on the loss here is fair for both parties as it's very obvious they both made mistakes:

- SwingDev: hacked account so it obviously wasn't secure or your PC was infected
- Altcoins4Life: you should have made sure you got a signed message from a stacked address

Split it guys - 50/50, that's my advice.

Nice useful post.

Wow, have to be more careful. Wish your account was returned, but have no idea how it would be fair to both sides.

Here's some posts from community members showing support. Thanks guys! You're awesome. 

I'd prefer to keep things public at this point.

I've made this thread to consolidate his 3 into 1 place and have a clean post to include as reference in rep reports.

If Altcoin4Life is willing to continue discussions he can post here. If not so be it.


I'd also like to point out that being careless on his end doesn't transfer his lost btc to my debt. I'm only trying to recover what I've lost.

Like I said, I intend to tip him as I can if the account is recovered by his kindness. I do not intend to buy it from him in order to have it returned. A: I can't afford it B: I feel this is not right. I believe this is fair and if he refuses and wants to keep my account that's his choice.


Side note. It's a shame how little faith everyone has in the account recovery of this forum. I've heard this over and over even before my account got stolen. I'd love to see Theymos start proving everyone wrong. To be frank I find it a bit ridiculous that tracking down the new account holder and paying him off is the most likely method of account recovery on a respectable money forum.

Well i hope you guys settle this issue by coming up with some terms or something via pm instead of having a ton of threads open here. Theymos will never recover it, so your only option is to speak with Altcoin4Life

I believe there was warning rep on the account and users warned him before he made the loan. He said he didn't see the rep on the account. I think it was added shortly before he sent the loan. He did however see users making warning posts in his threads.

I guess I should also point out it was only a period of 14 days that I was inactive on bitcointalk. I was however active in my slack group.


So that would be Altcoin4Life at this point in time. He is the only one with access.

Well i guess you should've been more active then since it was a dev account. Since no one was informed that the account was stolen/hacked/etc, Altcoin4Life had every right to do whatever he wants with the account. Being careless on your end shouldn't cause damages to others. He's only trying to recover what he had lost.


I dont think this is fair either. Whoever owns MurderousKirk would be responsible for any actions made.

Hey guys,

You've probably seen this topic already. I've been advised to make my own scam accusation thread.

I'll try to TLDR this as much as possible.

My account MurderousKirk (Developer of Swing) was stolen while I was inactive. The thief managed to sell it to Altcoin4Life for 0.13 BTC as collateral in a scam loan (which he has since defaulted on). This happened as a result of Altcoin4Life not requesting a proper signed message for the account being used as collateral.

The only lead we have on the thief is:


I initially refused to provide a signed message to Altcoin4Life due to a misunderstanding on my part. I thought theymos used blank signed messages for account recovery, and that this was what Altcoin4Life was requesting. I saw this as a security risk and flat out refused till whywefight set me straight. This misunderstanding caused a lot of stress and tension between Altcoin4Life and I. I believe it's part of the reason he has yet to return the account.

So it's been proven that I'm the actual owner of the account.

After I provided proof Altcoin4Life decided not to return the account unless I purchased it from him to help cover his loss.


I have refused to buy my stolen account back. I have also publicly stated before his payment request that upon successful return of the account I will leave a positive review of his credibility, and tip him to help cover his loss if/when my btc portfolio grows from its current state of 0.01 btc. This is the only opportunity Altcoin4Life has to receive any money from me to help cover his loss.

Altcoin4Life up to this point has refused to return the account without payment.

Should any changes be made via MurderousKirk, especially to the Swing altcoin thread I want it to be made public that Altcoin4Life is currently responsible for any actions taken by MurderousKirk, and will continue to be until I give a digital signature proving I have regained access.

I also want it to be made public that I do not think Altcoin4Life intentionally agreed to give a loan on a stolen account, nor do I think he has had any malicious intent (aside from telling me to buy my account from him).

Thanks.