Topic: My Swing Developer / Hero account stolen - sold to Altcoin4Life in scam loan - page 5. (Read 5717 times)

I also missed a way .I am just giving you out an example so don't give up some bad comments after it.

Suppose if murderouskirk/swingdev had already set up a plan to get up with a default loan plan.Even if he gives up a signed message .there is also possibility that he thought that he would get a loan and later on default it and again can claim the account later by proving ownership.But the point is altcoin4life still lost his money that way and he succeded with his plans.

I am not swingdev/murderouskirk did this but it could be a scam attempt if seen from this angle

Also if he is holder of murderouskirk dont forget that is a hero member.Will it not be a foolish thing to make a scam accusatipn thread so many days after it came into light.also he didnt created it even after he messaged about itto altcoin4life

Also i think altcoin4life was a little bit loose.He should have checked the last posts of murderouskirk

We can't go into rush atm .i think we should wait for the admin message


Yeah those are right questions exactly what i would like to ask swingdev.He also didnt stated how he was hacked.He only mentioned he was hacked.Was that enough ??

You'll forgive us if we don't pity you for stressing out over something so inconsequential as a message board account. Your arrogance is not a good trait in this scenario, someone else has lost money because of your incompetence and you want to walk away for free. This is your fault at the end of the day, at the least you did not use a secure password on your account and at the worst you have stolen a loan.

There are two options that I can see: You pay altcoin half of what he lost to have the account returned or have the account returned for free, but receive a tsunami of negative rep making it useless.

Also I want to point out that (as explained in the ann) this was due to my misunderstanding and inexperience with using digital signatures to prove account ownership. I thought both were supposed to be blank messages and saw this as a giant security risk.

Whywefight helped me realize my misunderstanding and I promptly provided a signature on the 27th. Also posted in the ANN.

Now if you'll excuse me for a few hours I'm going to bed stressed and irritated about this for the 12th (13th?) day in a row.

Dude.. please.. just end this. Return the account or don't. I've been waking up and going to sleep stressed about my account for almost two weeks now. Stop coming back with more repeat questions just decide and let me know.

You can say yes, you can say no. At this point I just want you to make up your mind and stop stringing me along like a bad date. Every time I start to get hopeful you come back with more delays and questions. I've honestly like 90% given up at this rate.

If these answers are really that important for me to answer over again so you can decide then fine. Here it is again.



Plus.. you know.. you asked me to keep the situation contained to PM's in your very first message to me.


I'm not going to bother digging for a quote on this one. You already know the answer to this. I've stated repeatedly I didn't realize till I made this account. Just check the date of my first post if you want to know.

I've also stated that I do not know how they got the account. I wish I did. Soon as I found out I went and blew my money on new HD's to remove as much lingering malware risk as possible. There were no signs that my machine has been infected. I've been going around adding 2fa to every email and other account possible along with changing passwords and have not found any trail yet. I wish I knew man


I feel I've made this pretty clear but I'll spell it out.

No time frame. Completely at my leisure as I manage to get more BTC. Right now I have 0.1 (Sorry that was an error. I just checked and I have .011 BTC) to trade with. The rest of my portfolio is invested in my altcoin Swing and I'm extremely hesitant to sell on my holders at laughably low prices for an alt with less than 700k coins in circulation to get an account back when I can use this one just as easily. If I'm able to focus on swing and increase its value (which I'm obviously incentivised to do) you will end up with some BTC as thanks.

Though to be frank the longer this drags on and the more you stress me out the less generous and timely I'm starting to feel.

If you provide a unique bitcoin address everyone can see what gets sent your way. You'll end up with somewhere between 0 and 0.1612 BTC (0.16 being what you were owed and more than what you lost) with my reputation being reflected on by the amount and time of payment(s).

I'm not giving you a date so you can tell me I've "defaulted" on my own account or something.

The reality is I'm poor and you're asking me to cover much more than I have free in BTC or am willing to spend buying BTC.

You can take the offer and potentially get something next time my portfolio grows, or keep my account and get no BTC from me ever.

I mean he's correct there is no proof. I don't know how my account was taken all I know is you have it now and hunches as to how it was taken.


How about you try to put together a scam report that makes sense of why I would throw away three years worth of reputation building and the dev position of my own cryptocurrency (technically three if you count swaps, Greed -> Greed Evolved -> Swing) for only 0.13 BTC. Then I might dignify that accusation with a proper response.

And I honestly do apologize if I've been coming off as irritated and stressed at you during this situation. It's the result of me actually being pretty irritated and stressed at trying to get my dev account back for two weeks straight with literally zero word from the admins I've contacted for help and provided all the necessary proof to. Surely you can understand this. I've tried to be as polite and professional as I can muster in this situation.

Hi

So if Swingdev is reading this, i would ask that you please answer my questions here.

1) Why the delay in reporting this hack? Why not open a scam accusation straight after?

2) When did you realise it was hacked? How do you think they hacked the account? What security where you using? was it phishing/malware/keylogger?

3) Please explain if i give the account back... you say there may be some sort of payment after ? Within what time frame? How much? do you mean if your swing coin increases in price you will give some of this profit to me?

4) How do you respond to abitnut's point that there is no proof that it was hacked? Is it true that you Swingdev and marcos the hacker could be the same person?

Anyway i hope we can FINALLY SORT THIS OUT as it has been dragging on TOO LONG.

Please post a reply on this thread, with your answers

Thanks
Altcoin4life

Hi Blazed

We are trying to sort this out now.

The issue was that he was refusing to give a signed message until recently, until whywefight persuaded him to give one.


Thanks
Altcoin4life

I have changed my rating for neutral for now and hope you guys work something out then. To me, it sounded like you were unwilling to hand the account back without demanding full payment.

I agree that AltCoin4Life failed to do due diligence. I'd call it careless.

I also would like to state that there has been 0 evidence that the account was actually hacked. Maybe I'm too cynical but it could be a possible scam. Emotionally I'd say in this instance it's not a scam but I have no evidence to back this up.

Assuming the account was hacked somehow then the victim of the hack has been careless. That leaves us with two parties being careless. Why should one party in that scenario take the full loss?

If it was a scam then the situation is much easier and the collateral would belong to AltCoin4Life.


Either way, I'm pretty much done with this issue by now. If no new facts are uncovered I still maintain the opinion that they should compromise.

Hi everyone

YES I AGREE MY DUE DILIGENCE WAS NOT UP TO STANDARD

But does Swingdev have no part to play in this? He did not make a scam accusation until 1 week after? Can Swingdev explain the delay?

Also how was it hacked in the first place? Bad password? Malware downloaded?
I really would like to know how the account got compromised in the first place.

Also i did not say i will NEVER give the account back, i wanted to know about these details first.

Finally can swingdev explain what he means that he will pay something back after i hand over the account?


Let me know swingdev

Thanks
Altcoin4life

I agree with Blazed and everyone else here.  I think it's a total asshole move on Altcoin4life's part to keep the account after he fucked up the due diligence.  It's the wrong thing to do and this forum remembers things like that.  By doing this, Altcoin4life is placing a very, very specific value on his integrity, and that value appears to be quite small.  Just sayin'.

So you bought an account without proof that it was not hacked (collateral/bought whatever you want to call it)? Altcoin4life is at fault here plain and simple. He did not do his due diligence so he should take the small loss as a lesson and move on.

Hi Swingdev

You still have not made it clear what you mean in terms of recovering some of the loss.

IF I DID HAND OVER THE ACCOUNT NOW... how would this loss be recovered?

How much would you actually pay?

How long would it take to pay this figure?

My payment address is 1HbPkpQiKgq48mCpL5BTxyVsHf4fjM8uop if you need it in the future.

You need to explain a bit more about this potential payment after i give the account.... please give details.

Let me know on this thread.

Also have you had any emails from theymos yet?

Thanks
Altcoin4life

I offered to work towards helping him cover his loss as I was able to. I actually intented to ask him for a public addy where I could slowly try to cover his loss. I was hoping to try to cover it in full if I was able. Even my community was looking to help in this. I am unable to pay him up front and refusing to return the account unless I do is just greedy.

My offer is still open for now which i feel is generous and fair at this point. Please do not close this thread. A4l still has a chance to change his mind. If he does not within a reasonable amount of time I would like a place to publicly close and end my offer. Admins can lock the other threads If they want.

I'm not looking to have him hang my offer over my head a year from now.

At this point I've accepted the loss and plan to work on building the rep of this account since it seems I won't be able to correct murderouskirk.

So the conclusion is that both of you failed to compromise. That is sad indeed; it means you both lost fully where you had a change to both reduce your losses.

I suggest locking the relevant topics as this issue seems over.

Wow.. that's a shame Altcoin4life.

I'm going to update my rep review to negative since you are refusing to return it unless I buy from you. If you return the account I'll update it.

Hi Swing

Thanks for your comment, let me know if theymos does contact you and give you your account back.

I WILL BE MUCH MORE CAUTIOUS FROM NOW ON.

Cheers
Altcoin4life

Altcoin4life has some issues indeed.First be was bragging about the signed messages.Once they were provided ,now he is whining to get paid in order to give the account back.@Altcoin4life,how difficult it is to understand this ? The rightful owner of the account is asking his account back,just give it already.Its because of your "GREED" you've lost your money,why project your losses on swingdev?Mexxer did mention ,not to trade with him and despite of that you took risks involved.Accept your mistake and move on.If you were so much concerned about your money,you shouldn't have given the loan in the first place.

@SwingDev: That account is useless anyway.No one is paying shit for it.Make a new account and continue.If you're planning to pay altcoin4life to get your own account back,please make sure you don't pay anything more than 0.001(that would cover up the transaction fees ).Jokes only. Get my point.Move on.

This is not the first time I've seen Altcoin4Life not doing proper due diligence. On the other hand I dislike the whole account collateral scheme so my opinion is obviously biased. I just don't see how either side here can claim any moral high ground. SwingDev - I'd suggest to suck it up and move on. It's just an account. It doesn't really have a tangible value unless you were planning to sell it or scam with it or something.

Altcoin4Life is at the losing end here, if Altcoin4Life keeps MurderousKirk account, he can't use it anyway since the account is already tagged or it's known that it's an account used for a loan scam. Altcoin4Life can't sell it as well for same reason. Maybe the best option here at least is just to return the account back to the rightful owner Swingdev and Swingdev at the very least give something in return to Altcoin4Life as a token of returning the hacked account. Token should not be at the rate of like buying back the account.

Unless Theymos changed their mind this is how he thinks about a similar situation:


Not the "I'm not going to try to enforce it" part. You really do have to work it out with Altcoin4Life. And that (usually) means compromise.

Also for future reference these are the password changes on the account:


On a side note: is there any evidence that the account was hacked? Or are we to believe you on your word?