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Topic: [neㄘcash, ᨇcash, net⚷eys, or viᖚes?] Name AnonyMint's vapor coin? - page 47. (Read 95256 times)

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Analyzing "Block lattice" a.k.a. RaiBlocks provides some insight into my not-yet-published block chain scaling design...

As monsterer and I have been alluding to up thread, afaics you have not definitively stated the frame-of-reference—employed by your ("every UTXO output has its own block chain") design—for Byzantine fault tolerant consensus, so I have now expended the time to research, think, and hopefully correctly define it.

Your design's frame-of-reference for Byzantine fault tolerant consensus is majority of the vote by the "voters" which have locked a suitable amount of coins (value). We must determine the (game theory) objectivity of this frame-of-reference and the impacts within the CAP theorem.

The record of who are the majority throughout the history of time must be recorded in the history of the consensus, otherwise there is no consensus about what the majority was and thus what it is now. For example, if someone controlled sufficient coins in the past (greater than the number of coins that were locked for voting in the current public consensus history), they could erase the entire history from that point, by publishing a new block for their historical UTXO (even if they historically spent them subsequent to the historical block where they were UTXO) locking their coins for voting and then voting to make their revision of history the dominant majority. The major distinction from (and flaw compared to) Bitcoin's PoW is that competing versions of history are not compared by the accumulated amount of resources committed to each version. In Bitcoin's PoW, the longest chain accumulates all the PoW in the chain (thus unlike in your design, in PoW there can only be one longest one and thus only one majority!), but afaics in your design all the coins locked subsequent to a fork revision of history are not accumulated in comparison. I suppose you could propose to accumulate locked coin-days-destroyed, but the problem is there is not objective measure of "days destroyed" that the adversary can't game. Or you could propose to accumulate some other resource as a measure of the longest chain which could not be readily fabricated by the adversary, but I would have to analyze a specific proposal (which afaics you have not yet made). Essentially the issue is long-term "nothing at stake".

Now I've read up thread that you claim that you don't even store a record of the vote history, but not only does this appear to show you are somewhat myopic about how your design functions, and also as monsterer pointed out, if you don't store the history then there is no way for a node which is not omniscient to know what the objective consensus is without invoking trust (and decentralized currency must be trustless else it devolves in numerous ways to centralized currency). About whether you are storing the voting implicitly, afaics your design must record as transactions which coins are locked and the implicit entangling of cross-spending between chains implicitly records which chains elected which forks, but I guess you are correct that voting is not even implicitly stored if voters (defined by locked coins) are not injectively (and non-surjectively) mapped to chains (i.e. if voters don't correspond to chains).

So the "partial ordering" in your design is really unknowable levels of durable partitioning and thus non-durable consistency, because there is no way to guarantee anything about confirmation and objectivity of the majority consensus now or anytime into the future.

The only way around this is to rely on "weak subjectivitiy" where trust in the social consensus provides the long-term checkpoints. Problem with that is there may be disagreement in the social consensus in that case usually "might makes right". However in that case, Bitcoin is also subject to "might makes right" where the 51% attack can revise history as well. If you don't store records of voting short-term, then there is no trustless objectivity from last "weak subjectivity" check point. Without recording the voting, the confirmation of a transaction is unknown (nebulous).

Since your coin is named RaiBlocks, perhaps you had seen the following before:

https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/11/25/proof-stake-learned-love-weak-subjectivity/

Quote from: Vitalik Buterin
perhaps the best example is the Rai stones, where a tribe in Yap essentially maintained a blockchain recording changes to the ownership of stones

Even if you do record the voting, then the problem is there is "nothing at stake" in the short-term and thus history can be rewritten in the short-term. The various proof-of-stake algorithms attempt to penalize short-term adversarial behavior to eliminate this "nothing at stake" hole.

Assuming you work out how to penalize short-term adversarial activity (and not just rely on the non-quantitative game theory myopia that adversaries won't be self-interested because they devalue the coin and thus their holdings in the coin) to remove "nothing at stake", rely on "weak subjectivity" of social consensus for long-term check points, work out how to incentivize fast recording and propagation of majority confirmation, then you will have achieved some form of block chain scaling, but until those specifics are revealed (not yet invented?), then we can only speculate. One thing that appears to be clear in your RaiBlocks design is that every full node must receive and verify every transaction in your system, so that aspect of scaling hasn't been improved.

Btw, I will tell you that I worked out those design issues already. Essentially my comments above are directing you to my design.


As monsterer and I have been alluding to up thread

Monsterer and I have been having discussions and you may not be in as much agreement as you believe.

I will wait to see a public post from monsterer if he disagrees with my assessment. Are you referring to private discussions with him? Because in my quick perusal of his public posts in this thread, they seem to be congruent with my points. Feel free to point out a case where you think his points are not congruent with mine.

afaics you have not definitively stated the frame-of-reference—employed by your ("every UTXO output has its own block chain")

Those words are in quotes though it is not factually a quotation.

Perhaps American English is not your native language? I did not quote you. If I did, I would have used the normal forum quoting as I always do. Placing a phrase between double quotes can also mean that the quoted description is an example of how someone might say it (not specifically any person, since the quote was not attributed to any person).

design—for Byzantine fault tolerant consensus

There is no such thing as Byzantine fault tolerance since the byzantine problem is stated in terms of separation of communication a.k.a. network partitioning.  Only after partitions have been merged can a final conclusion be reached for instance bitcoin isn't tolerant against partitioning since if the network was partitioned and each separate segment was generate separate block chains, a conclusion as to which is the longest couldn't be reached until the partitions were merged and the results compared, hence it would no longer by a byzantine problem.  Please read up more on the topic before commenting on them.

Do NOT again write an absurd condescending remark that assumes I hadn't yet researched the fundamental concepts.

Try to remain respectful please (and leave the ad hominem shit aside) as we had been up thread.

I have no idea what rational basis you have told yourself to justify assuming I don't understand the definition of Byzantine fault tolerance. How could I possibly be commenting with so much technical knowledge in your thread if I hadn't yet researched the fundamental concepts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_fault_tolerance

, so I have now expended the time to research, think, and hopefully correctly define it.  Your design's frame-of-reference for Byzantine fault tolerant consensus is majority of the vote by the "voters" which have locked a suitable amount of coins (value). We must determine the (game theory) objectivity of this frame-of-reference and the impacts within the CAP theorem.

Again, the CAP theorem states that all three states cannot simultaneously be achieved so by the nature that RaiBlocks, in addition to any crypto currency, does not claim it can operate while partitioned, this means at most we're claiming 2 out of 3 which by definition satisfies the CAP theorem and no cryptocurrency out there is violating it.  Please read more before commenting.

This ad hominem noise again.

Yet another vacuous argument demonstrating that you do not understand that Bitcoin is partition tolerant within its Byzantine fault tolerant objectivity. Byzantine fault tolerance doesn't mean that CAP has to be fulfilled for those observers who are ignoring the longest chain rule or who are unwilling to accept the probabilitistic nature of the expectations (and thus the fault tolerance). Within Bitcoin's objectivity of the longest chain, all three of the CAP attributes are attained. And my criticisms of your design are about its ill-defined objectivity.

Let this technical rebuttal be instructive to you on the fact that my skills/expertise/research in this area are higher than you apparently assume (given your condescending remarks and your continual unwillingness to accept that 3 experts gmaxwell, monsterer, and myself have come into your thread and graciously tried to explain that your design has serious flaws).

The rest of your reply really seemed to start going off the rails of rational logic. But I will try to find the desire to reply to it point-by-point after I cool down from the lashing of your condescending assumptions above.


afaics you have not definitively stated the frame-of-reference—employed by your ("every UTXO output has its own block chain")

Those words are in quotes though it is not factually a quotation.

Perhaps American English is not your native language? I did not quote you. If I did, I would have used the normal forum quoting as I always do. Placing a phrase between double quotes can also mean that the quoted description is an example of how someone might say it (not specifically any person, since the quote was not attributed to any person)

According to the writer's handbook https://writing.wisc.edu/Handbook/QPA_quoting.html  Quotations are literal quotations and should cite references, Adding Clarification, Comment, or Correction requires square brackets around what you're modifying.

http://www.apastyle.org/learn/faqs/use-double-quotes.aspx

I'm sure you'll have no problem writing up another post Wink

I warned you not to write condescendingly to me again. Now I will more forcefully state the facts.

I can see I am dealing with a pedantic Dunning-Kruger jackass who has too limited understanding of the technical field to discern technobabble from expertise.

Arguing with someone who is not knowledgeable enough in the field to know whey are acting as a Dunning-Kruger jackass, ends up being an enormous waste of time and effort for the expert.

When you are ready to come down from your ignorant high horse and learn, let me know.

Note most readers here are not knowledgeable enough to discern that you are not an expert. Thus you can probably convince them to invest in your project. The proof of failure will come down the line. No need for me to educate you beforehand, given your attitude.



The continuous citation of the CAP theorem is ridiculous.  BitCoin does not have partition tolerance according to the cap theorem "the system continues to operate despite arbitrary partitioning due to network failures"  BitCoin does not operate in the presence of arbitrary network failures, this it categorically wrong.  No cryptocurrency can operate while partitioned, they can recover from partitions but they cannot operate while partitioned.  CAP does not apply to any cryptocurrency ever, repeating it at all is absolutely absurd.

Bitcoin does "continue to operate despite arbitrary partitioning due to network failures".

Again you conflate the double-spend on a forked network in your mind a claimed refutation of CAP, because you assume CAP is only useful in an absolute frame-of-reference. But absolute frames-of-reference do not exist in the universe. And this shows you do not understand the definition of "Byzantine fault tolerance", because it only applies to the nodes on each of the forked networks as to whether the objectivity of the system has remained intact and the nodes can continue to operate within that defined objectivity.

Essentially what you are trying to say with your design and your arguments in this thread, is there is no possible objective frame-of-reference, because there never can exist an absolute one. You conflate absolutism with relative objectivity (which btw is all we have in our universe, because nothing is absolute).

At least Bitcoin achieves CAP up to the limitation that networking partitioning can fork the Bitcoin network and the participants on each fork can continue to operate. Whereas, your design doesn't even achieve assurances of objectivity even without network partitioning.

I do not appreciate your ad hominem accusations claiming/implying that I am generally not correct in my logic because it is another attack on my person instead of refuting a stated technical issue. (Nothwithstanding that my logic is correct and you are not skillful enough to discern it yet)

Also you conflate a) refuting a stated fact; with b) making a statement about a person's need to read before commenting. The former is not ad hominem, the latter is ad hominem. Period.

Edit: also you are assuming CAP only applies to the physical network partitioning, but it also applies to logical partitioning. Bitcoin is resilient to logical partitions (forks) because of the longest chain rule. Your design is not analogously resilient, which monsterer and I have explained.


The record of who are the majority throughout the history of time must be recorded in the history of the consensus, otherwise there is no consensus about what the majority was and thus what it is now.

That's not correct, the consensus now is all that matters.  For instance as humans we don't have a record of all governments and all decisions going back to the beginning of time yet we have a consensus about what we agree to at this moment.  A historical record can be interesting but the only thing that matters is consensus at this current point in time, only historians care about anything else and currency isn't about a history lesson.

Perhaps you missed the fact that I already stated that without recording of the voting, there is no way to know when "now" is as it pertains to confirmation of consensus being attained. How is the payee supposed to know when to trust the payment and release the goods or services?


Without recording the voting, the confirmation of a transaction is unknown (nebulous).



For example, if someone controlled sufficient coins in the past (greater than the number of coins that were locked for voting in the current public consensus history), they could erase the entire history from that point,

This seems to be erroneous.  Historical consensus cannot override contemporary consensus, contemporary consensus is the only thing that matters with RaiBlocks.  The only way to erase history is for the current consensus to flip blocks a.k.a. a true, >50% attack.

This is because you have no objective means of determining which set of "now" is the reality. Thus you assume that the online nodes will just magically agree on the "now" they all have. The fact that you can't see that you've failed to even define the way the majority chain is objectively determined, should be indicative of that you are not sufficiently knowledgeable to design a new block chain paradigm.

Two or more errors don't make it correct. You can state that your system flies to the moon and if that assumption is based on foundational errors then no one can disprove your claim. The proof will come in the fantastic devolution of your system in the wild.

Also you seem to have lost the point that if the historical coins locked was only 1% of the coin supply, then only 1.1% of the coin supply would need to be retroactively locked to rewrite history in the lack of durable objectivity in your system.

I am not going to go back and forth with you on the comedy of errors. It is a pointless waste of my scarce time.


by publishing a new block for their historical UTXO (even if they historically spent them subsequent to the historical block where they were UTXO) locking their coins for voting and then voting to make their revision of history the dominant majority.

This is describing a >50% attack, all cryptocurrencies are vulnerable to this though RaiBlocks give a stronger guarantee.  With RaiBlocks >50% of the MARKET CAP needs to vote to flip, with PoW only 50% of the mining strength needs to flip.  If you look at BitCoin's market cap of ~4billion, and ask: could you gain majority mining power with ~2 billion in mining hardware?  Absolutely.  PoW is a weaker guarantee.

Logic fail. You are assuming every coin is locked so every coin votes, which means no coins can be transacted. Duh.

, if you don't store the history then there is no way for a node which is not omniscient to know what the objective consensus is without invoking trust (and decentralized currency must be trustless else it devolves in numerous ways to centralized currency).

That's true, in fact most people who use bitcoin are invoking trust because they trust the wallet they're using to correctly evaluate which chain has the highest block work and not log the password to their private keys.

You habitually conflate orthogonal concepts.

Even if the vast majority of users do not run full nodes, the security of Bitcoin is still based on the objectivity of the full nodes, which your design does not possess.

Assuming you work out how to penalize short-term adversarial activity (and not just rely on the non-quantitative game theory myopia that adversaries won't be self-interested because they devalue the coin and thus their holdings in the coin)

You're stating this is myopic but this is the exact rhetoric people use when rebutting against why miners wouldn't start mining forks in to BitCoin.  Destroying the protocol destroys future profit in the protocol hence it's in the miner's and voter's best interest to come to consensus instead of creating volatility.  This seems to be a fundamentally flawed application of game theory.

The astute people such as Gregory Maxwell understand how critical it is that no party has 51% or even 25% of the network hashrate. Do not let what fools write misdirect you on the objectivity of Bitcoin.
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Digital Credits (DGCS) is a brand new digital cryptocurrency...



First they ignore you, then they fight you, then they copy you, then you win.

Yoobit and social currency as more apt concept of credits/codes/keys/tokens (exchangeable for micro-transaction services) to brand away from "coin" and "cash".

Problem is you don't have the scaling for micro-transactions, rather only some aspects of the marketing concepts I've been discussing in my thread.

Just a coincidence?

(exhibit some testicles and don't censor this message, rather just refute the premise)

intristin,

Just a coincidence?

No problem. Peace. I am not particularly interested in the names Yobit and Credits. But if someone tries to rip off my marketing insights, I will make it clear they don't have the original talent to follow through on all aspects.

...

OK, your spamming both my posts, so I will just repeat.

I am not spamming but rather raising a legitimate concern for you to rebuke or admit. And I didn't make duplicate threads that requires someone to post in two threads. You did.

Are you serious?

No I am just writing here because I enjoy wasting my time  Huh Rhetorical much.

Um, Ok, never heard of you dude, never read your thread.

So you claim. And proof of who thought of the names first? Such as date of registration of domains, etc.. I didn't check, so proof may be easy for you to provide and then issue is closed.

And going into other coins threads to accuse them of ripping you off is the worst marketing plan you could possibly have.

I have no idea why you would assume my market plan has anything to do with asking you if it is a coincidence that I was discussing about 2 - 3 weeks ago the names you chose (for this coin you apparently just announced this week).

The fact that your accusing me of ripping off such a terrible plan is a little offence, but whatever.

If asking you about the strange coincidence and asking for some evidence that you thought of the names first is offensive to you, then I claim you do not seem to understand that the open source community does not condone plagiarism.

For example, I purchased the domain for ion.cash, but then later realized that Aeon existed in my subconscious before purchasing it, so to have a clear conscience and up hold open source community ethics, I donated the name to the Aeon project.

As I wrote above, I don't have a big claim on the names, but I just want to know if your name choices can be shown to be your own?

I wish you luck with that. I'm not going to delete your posts because your basically working for the prosecution here, lol. Good luck on whatever it is your trying to do. And thank you for bumping my post. I'm guessing your a teenage boy by how you came at me, or your just drunk. But let me fill you in on something, you sound like a crazy person. Have a great day.

I can not comprehend how you got from a legitimate inquiry to "he is a crazy, teenage boy". Seems you have some issues with discerning reality.

I do not need to prove anything to you.

Then why did you feel a need to delete my posts from your Announcement thread.

Transparency doesn't seem to be your strength.

ok man, whatever you say. Good luck with your project.

Ty. U2.

But feel free to continue crying.  Grin

Better to cherish my posts than delete them, as they will be the most important thing that ever happens with your coin.

Crying my ass. Whatever, lol.  Tongue
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right now you are spending all your time procrastinating, posting about conspiracy theories and making polls about nonsensical details.

Foolish statements made by blind fools are good for motivation and feedback (as well as providing a record of those who will "eat crow" soon).

The joke (and priorities suggestion) portion of your post was interpreted humorously (including the n00b, naive, humorous notion of de-prioritizing branding & marketing), but the quoted portion is not a factual statement (which you could have verified by simply checking my latest posts by clicking my profile before posting your comments).

I've been busy doing 1) math; and 2) designing how micro-transactions scale and the impacts of value hiding of (Compact or just) Confidential Transactions (which also pertains to my derivative Zero Knowledge Transactions):

1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12964946

2. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/protection-against-botnet-ddos-of-invalid-signature-or-otherwise-transactions-1249015
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You should just fork it from Ethereum and call it Fuhreum, you can be the Fuhrer and "gas" can be used on all the Crypto-Trolls Smiley

Just call it "Project Ion" and get down to coding, once you (finally) have a Beta out then you can figure out a name since right now you are spending all your time procrastinating, posting about conspiracy theories and making polls about nonsensical details.
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I thought you wanted this coin to be "mainstream"... why the special characters in the names that are hard for people to type?

That is only visual for a potential logo, using the currency symbol which can be typed by those who have an incentive to do so, e.g. merchants or using a forum where the BTC is available via one-click from the user interface. Sometimes you may see Bitcoin written as BTCitcoin or "BTC Bitcoin" then merchants sometimes quote prices using the BTC instead of writing "bitcoins".

Of course when any one wants to (quickly instead of googling for the special symbol) type the name, they can use the keys available on their keyboard, e.g. vibes instead of viᖚes.

Oh OK, carry on then. I suggest you not waste too much more time on the name though. I think it's more important to focus on the tech as you can always change the name later. Smiley
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I thought you wanted this coin to be "mainstream"... why the special characters in the names that are hard for people to type?

That is only visual for a potential logo, using the currency symbol which can be typed by those who have an incentive to do so, e.g. merchants or using a forum where the BTC is available via one-click from the user interface. Sometimes you may see Bitcoin written as BTCitcoin or "BTC Bitcoin" then merchants sometimes quote prices using the BTC instead of writing "bitcoins".

Of course when any one wants to (quickly instead of googling for the special symbol) type the name, they can use the keys available on their keyboard, e.g. vibes instead of viᖚes.
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I thought you wanted this coin to be "mainstream"... why the special characters in the names that are hard for people to type?
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A tricky one, and not a decision I imagine you are going to toss a coin over! Abstract or descriptive (with attendant merits and demerits)?

Viᖚes is more general. For example instead of a vote total, envision the following are ranked by total units paid (to the creator of the question and/or answer):

http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/285362/choosing-two-random-numbers-in-0-1-what-is-the-probability-that-sum-of-them

In that context, 'codes' and 'keys' don't make sense.

Stackexchange's (originally stackoverflow) formula for social ranking is free to upvote (which pays 10 votes) and costs -1 votes to downvote by -2. Creating votes out-of-thin-air is debasement and means if you can Sybil attack the system (or just create a clique of real identities that always vote for each other) than can inflate the vote counts for yourself and your Sybil/clique identities! Then you can downvote anyone you want to destroy (all of this meaning I can destroy Stackexchange when I am ready) Participants gain only reputation value (and any indirect remuneration thereof) and no direct remuneration. That reputation value is not directly transferable or fungible off-site, thus all your effort locks you into an immovable investment (into your reputation and accumulated voting power) on that site which can only be transferred to the extent that indirect remuneration is achieved. Even without Sybil attacks, creating votes out-of-thin-air dilutes the effort of those who are not most active ongoing. Debasement is an effective method for depreciating savings such that current production is incentivized, but if debasement rates are too high then saving (investment of effort) is disincentized. Whereas if participants must bring in external fungible value then inflated vote counts represent greater system value; and not just longer duration (and/or heightened rate) of voting— which may represent increased or decreased system value.

My proposal has a flaw in that as the off-site fungible currency rises in value, then the preexisting vote reputations have greater relative weight compared to new votes, i.e. if the exchange rate between votes and off-site fungible units is constant. Thus either the exchange rate for votes should be tied to some more stable value unit-of-account (dollars? gold?), or votes can be a separate currency that is exchanged for the off-site fungible currency such that preexisting reputation vote counts (but not balances of votes earned) are scaled inversely by the changing exchange rate. The latter has a flaw that most might HODL votes for the speculative appreciation of exchange value, thus the value of the votes not representing users (and use) but rather speculators.
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...I am generally concerned about dilution of the name by copycats...
And from the list of them you gave, I can imagine "Fastcodes" in particular being popular for a potential competitor.

Even if assuming services accepting viᖚes won't rebrand themselves as "Viᖚes_____", the significant downside fact (and hurdle or barrier to entry) that vibes are not now associated with the action of gaining access to some good or service is the negative trade-off to the positive aspect that we would hope viᖚes would become a social phenomenon and thus people would associate the synergy of spending and receiving viᖚes as an a nearly silent action of their normal internet activity to be a form of "global village synergy" a.k.a. "jamming together with the netizens". The upside of that trade-off is there can't be any portmanteau copycats of vibes. And the huge upside being that if it is branded as a social phenomenon, then it is very unique and concise and precise on the social synergy (i.e. it creates a new concept of money and powerful new meme)

A tricky one, and not a decision I imagine you are going to toss a coin over! Abstract or descriptive (with attendant merits and demerits)?

I think there is a superior term than netcode, which more precisely expressing an unlock key to be used in cyberspace. And the currency symbol is very precise!
The "keys" of Netkeys I think could have more meaning than "codes" for a wider audience. And I do like chiron (U+26B7) Grin A distinctive and timeless symbol / logo. Almost Pictish!  EDIT: Just realised it's an astrological symbol.

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Btw, I still prefer Netcodes (in spite of your argument against) to Netcash, but would actually choose Vibes (and VibeTube, which IMO runs off the tongue easier and has more of a ring to it than vibes.tube, which creates sibilance when I say it). I can see the appeal of not having to cover all the portmanteau permutations with Vibes.

I am generally concerned about dilution of the name by copycats:

accesscode(s)
bypass(es)
bitcode(s)
bitkey(s)
cybkey(s)
cyberkey(s)
eloode(s) (pronounced eludes)
ezcode(s)
fastcode(s)
funbit(s)
funcode(s)
funkey(s)
gocode(s)
keycode(s)
mumcodes
mumkey(s) (my gf asked "monkeys?")
mumgo(es)
netcode(s)
netgo(es)
netkey(s)
neticket(s)
netoken(s)
passcode(s)
promocode(s)


P.S. mumur might be a good name for an anonymous coin.


but would actually choose Vibes (and VibeTube, which IMO runs off the tongue easier and has more of a ring to it than vibes.tube, which creates sibilance when I say it).

I looked up sibilance in the dictionary :-)

Even if assuming services accepting viᖚes won't rebrand themselves as "Viᖚes_____", the significant downside fact (and hurdle or barrier to entry) that vibes are not now associated with the action of gaining access to some good or service is the negative trade-off to the positive aspect that we would hope viᖚes would become a social phenomenon and thus people would associate the synergy of spending and receiving viᖚes as an a nearly silent action of their normal internet activity to be a form of "global village synergy" a.k.a. "jamming together with the netizens". The upside of that trade-off is there can't be any portmanteau copycats of vibes. And the huge upside being that if it is branded as a social phenomenon, then it is very unique and concise and precise on the social synergy (i.e. it creates a new concept of money and powerful new meme)


..i think netcodes is gold..especially for the mainstream use by non techies..
..as you say, "i need 10 netcodes to remove these fucking ads"..
..
..every man and his dog knows to unlock the purchase of something he needs a code..

I think there is a superior term than netcode, which more precisely expressing an unlock key to be used in cyberspace. And the currency symbol is very precise!

"Video ads removed for ⚷326 netkeys per per video viewed"

net⚷eys

I expended $24.52 to register:

netkeys.biz
netkeys.click
netkeys.co
netkeys.me
netkeys.us


The term netkey is so short it nearly forms a word and the competitor portmanteaus seem to have less recall and association power:

bitkey   (bitten key?)
cybkey   (huh?)
cyberkey (confused with physical computerized security such as door entry magnetic swipe cards)
funkey   (potentially confused with funky)
keycode  (rarely used, mostly by programmers)
passkey  (most will instead recall passcode)
webkey   (spiderweb key? okay many will get it, but if netkeys is more popular then webkeys will be recalled as netkeys bcz net = internet)


Edit: I expended $25.97 to register:

webkeys.click
webkeys.me
webkeys.org
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netcodes
ntcds
bitsync
bts
mybits
webcodes
wbcds

..i think netcodes is gold..especially for the mainstream use by non techies..
..as you say, "i need 10 netcodes to remove these fucking ads"..
.."and they're free?..if i mine them easily?..fuck yeah"..
..
..all of the non tech names i dislike..
..zing, vibes, etc, they sound fun and cool, but do not have a broad range of appeal, and more importantly, understanding as to what they fuck it actually is..
..
..every man and his dog knows to unlock the purchase of something he needs a code..
..fuck, a bitcoin is just a long string of numbers..a code..
..
..if you truly wish to shake the corporate net world up a bit, with a wider range of use, stick with net codes and finish this discussion..
..make the decision..
..if others do not understand the awesome wider of appeal of understanding, fuck em..let them buy 'wow' or 'perzaz' or whatever other shitcoins come our way..
..much love..
nxo










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ibes

viᖚes

I like the above drafts, and both have good potential with tweaks to the non-graphic letters; something more distinctive but complimentary.

Btw, I still prefer Netcodes (in spite of your argument against) to Netcash, but would actually choose Vibes (and VibeTube, which IMO runs off the tongue easier and has more of a ring to it than vibes.tube, which creates sibilance when I say it). I can see the appeal of not having to cover all the portmanteau permutations with Vibes.

And how about vibetube.click which seems to be available at http://goo.gl/RuvTzB scrolling right down.

An honourable mention to Mobimo too.
sr. member
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ibes

viᖚes

viⴆes

ᨇcash

neㄘcash



[uninformed slobbering]

There have been 109 votes so far.

The rest of your rant will be refuted with actions shortly.

How about posting from your account with a history on this site and not your newbie sockpuppet account. My reputation is on the line. Are you chickenshit.

Don't you understand nobody reads your shit?

Obviously you do not read. I hope that also means you will entirely miss the train and ignore everything I do. In short, you deserve to fail.

Nobody gives a shit about your shitcoin.

Millions of "nobodies".

These millions of people interesting in your coin where are they now? Are they right here? Take a walk and get a real job. You need it.

Obviously they can't be here, because this forum doesn't even have a million users. Duh. Dude you need some brain cells.

My point thanks. You and your "millions" of fake-friends leads me to believe you forgot your meds.

Every one of the millions will be verified, not fake.

You ass-u-me I don't have something up my sleeve. Enjoy your humiliation coming soon.
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Don't you understand nobody reads your shit? 5 votes. Lol.

I see your post history: you go into a thread acting arrogant saying you can fix this and that and say you want to collaborate and then make up some bullshit excuse and go into the next one and do the same thing.  Are you autistic?


Have you done fuckall but spam forums the last few years? Nobody gives a shit about your shitcoin. Don't you realize that? You're useless except for typing and spewing incoherent nonsense. Nobody will buy or invest in your shitty shitcoin and not just because it is a shitcoin but because you are fucking insane.
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One more idea:

uCash

There was a uKash, but it was merged into Skril.

Netcash
neㄘcasㄘ.com (or neㄘcash)
netⵛash.com

uCash
ucѧsh.com
u㉢ash.click
uꕆash.com
uca⑀h.ws
ucaᔑh.com
ucaᔕh.com
uᗧash.com
ᨇcash.com (or yoᨇ.cash)
ᕰcash.com
ʯcash.com

Vibes
vᔮe.com
viᖲe.com
viᖚe.com
viᕊe.com
viⴆe.com
viطe.click
✅ibe.click
ᨉibe.com
vⵓbe.com
vibミ.com (ミvibe.com, ≋vibe.ws, vib≋.ws)

SymbolName
neㄘcasㄘ (or neㄘcash)
u㉢ash
ᨇcash
vᔮe
viᖚe
viⴆe
✅ibe
vibミ
legendary
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Merit: 1007
Btw, you win the prize for most edited thread title in history Smiley
sr. member
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Merit: 262
Coin name: Ghost.

Smallest unit: spooktoshi.

Lol. Creative.

Coin name: Vapor, Spoof, Poof, or Goxx
Smallest unit: itsgone

Coin name: Snuff
Smallest unit: upyours

Coin name: Crapola
Smallest unit: turds

Coin name: Viole(n)t
Smallest unit: huey's

Coin name: Infinitesimal, Pointed, or Pointless
Smallest unit: itsy-bitsy
legendary
Activity: 1008
Merit: 1007
Coin name: Ghost.

Smallest unit: spooktoshi.
legendary
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Merit: 1167
MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
unitz
bitz - already been suggested but seems simple and effective.
blockz
vibez
vibes

anonium
nium
coinium
attainium

vector

ubiquity
ubiq

quantium
quanta

velocium

zipay
zipcodes
zipchains

zipbits


voted rather like for vibes still like netcodes , netcash and Ion







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Looking back, yeah you’re right… those new suggestions aren’t exactly “instantly descriptive”. I was struggling to come up with anything meaningful/worthwhile. Glad you have you have come to a conclusion, even though you spent a few extra bucks on domains…you can sleep easy nobody will be ripping off your idea (or like you said they will be left with a rubbish url).

Have you thought about designs? Another user on the board (I think it was GeneralizeThis) mentioned a site called;

http://99designs.co.uk/

Never heard of it before, but after looking it might be useful…certainly good value for money (some of the designs look excellent). If not I will see if I can think of anything and get it posted up. Is there a certain direction you are wanting to go in (colours, shapes, font type etc).


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