Topic: Nefario - page 21. (Read 198705 times)

That would mean it has to be someone that collected so much IPO-Money that he could pay nefario that much btc that he would throw his connections to the community away and the earnings he would get form ceo-job and his shares of glbse. So i think the one would need to pay him 3 or 4 years worth of income. I wonder if there are asset issuers that collected that much money plus money so that its worth for them too. But to be honest i doubt that nefario would kill his little baby glbse only for such thing.

There is a new move at the address for returns of double-paids:
http://blockchain.info/address/1BgPRMk4uaJrohM1T9Cn4Hd9pHaEL6FH5j

My bet is that some big asset issuer(s?) paid him more to close the shop and take the blame.

I think flowers are a nice idea. Chocolate might be more appropriate for a guy but its eaten and gone. Some flowers with happy colors can sit on the table and give a good feeling a longer time.

I searched google for london flower delivery and similar and its astonishing expensive. 30gbp for a colorful bouquet. I would give 0.6BTC, which is the btc i got back from nefario as the money in my glbse-account. I think with that amount it should be possible to get something.

And i would say that a card would be good. Something like: "Please do what you can to solve this and please make sure that the asset infos are coming soon. It would be nice to have daily updates on the progress too. We wish success!" Maybe something like this. This way we can say whats the flowers are for and what wishes it transports. So he will have it in mind when seeing the flowers.

Good to see that some people here can think successoriented, through corners and are past black-white-world-view.


I think that would be to hard for a bet. Think about how much he would lose. The ceo-income plus the share-dividends as a shareholder. I doubt he would risk this with a bet.


You could be right. At least it cant help if more and more time goes by. And i think some shareholders will react like goat who claimed that he dont want to use a spreadsheat with numbers and codes to find out who are his shareholders. So if an issuer wants to find an excuse he probably will. The only thing is that an excuse like that wouldnt be good when other asset issuers dont have the same problem. I think we have no choice to wait and see how many of them are honest.

coincidentally, there is: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/send-flowers-to-the-ukus-and-worldwide-for-btc-115387

though i recommend sending chocolate in this instance: http://www.pooparcels.com/chocolate.php?osCsid=332273e5b822e631f58b769096d737f9

These two posts together have to be preserved for together they are indeed beautiful.

In a very sickening sort of way.

I pledge 1 as well
plus the paperwork (book keeping of this micro project)

could someone who knows his address/phone PM me how to have them delivered?
I do not need to know the address but the florist will need it (the last mile)

"flowers for James" running total so far 2 btc // if it's inappropriate in this thread I'll go and start a new one

That it's been proven that the paradise of scammers exists, and is here, where blatant crime pays again and again.
Secondarily, it's been proven that we coiners are not so smart as we like to believe -to use an euphemism-.

I got a hunch which is very different & strange.

In privateat40 scam time, a address had half million(500000) bitcoins at a time, which was increased in a count of 0.1 million (100000) & it looked very cool , like a stairs case in graph.
Then it declined by different rates & gone down.
What if some one playing game with govt or any other to prove that he has power to control?
pirateat40 raised half million bitcoins, while nefario doing some other different thing.

Nefario wants to prove or force to prove or want to win a bet or whatever it was that even after closing GLBSE, nothing changed the Bitcoin market.
Its not, GLBSE was back bone of Bitcoins, which once shut, may kill Bitcoin.
Its shutdown made, many to shout, fight, debate, threaten, loose hope, get hope, whatever the hell is, but can't kill Bitcoin.

Closing GLBSE WILL NOT KILL BITCOIN.

Hey XYZ, look at GLBSE, Its closed for more than 45 days, still nothing bad happened to Bitcoin, what you say now?

I'm in. Who is willing to send some flowers James' way? A couple of coins should do. I pledge 1.

I'm afraid it's not that simple.

As the time passes, the inclination of shareholders to pursue diminishes. This is the psychological aspect. If Nefario indeed gives out the information, you will see that most issuers that were responding while GLBSE was alive will have stopped responding. I'd be surprised if most of them do continue fulfilling their contractual obligations actually.

Second, GLBSE will no longer actively pursue issuers. Most information that we need to pressure issuers with will not be made available, which will strengthen the first point. This wasn't and wouldn't be the case while GLBSE was alive, and we made investments based on that belief.

Third, the way the data is handed over will be disputed, which will allow issuers play the exact tricks Nefario is playing on us right now. Most likely, the shareholders will never get any proof of ownership. It will be totally up to the issuers' conscience.

> at least it would be a positive encouragement for him
you got the idea exactly how I hoped it would come across.
something positive to cheer up and encourage to walk a few extra steps our direction.

Thats correct. The same goes for the guys that got a double payment and want to hold this money hostage to make pressure for their interests.
And its right... communication is THE key to clear problems. But without communication problems cant be solved.


In the other thread people claim that one or two of the persons that ran pirate pass throughs paid all their members back out of their own pocket. So the customers didnt have a loss while the ppt-owner has to eat the loss. So i think there are good people in the bitcoin world.


The asset issuers that want to run could have done this the same way when glbse was still alive. That risk was there from the start. The honesty of an issuer is only connected to a username in a forum maybe so its not much in most cases.
And sure... nefario should act and send out the asset infos. I mean he should give out the infos for all the users that dont own a double payment and most of the customers would be happier again. I wonder if nefario at some point will be able to jump over his own rule to give asset infos out only after all userbtc are paid. I hope so.


That would be a step most couldnt understand. Maybe nefario even couldnt. But at least it would be a positive encouragement for him. I mean he gets plenty of negative encouragement. And this is pressing one down, draining live and workpower. A bit positiveness maybe could have a positive effect. But be prepared for the outcry of people that cant follow the thought.

how about we send him flowers?
there must be a flower delivery in London

If this turns out to be the explanation of everything, I will lose all hope for humanity. With thieves and murderers, you at least know where you are standing. But are there really people who cause harm to hundreds of people only because they are stubborn? Really? Did we trust such a person? Is this the reality of this community? How will we ever do any business? Why are we even against regulation?


Okay, let's assume we wait a month more. We let most of the asset issuers run away with our money. The honest businesses are negatively impacted, some to the point of bankruptcy. Then what do we do? Isn't it better to act sooner than later?

He communicated on the glbse blog two weeks ago. Holding asset information hostage is not helping anyone, especially for his customers.

Till now he only set these walls before spreading asset infos: The asset infos can only go out after the user bitcoins are paid out and the user bitcoins can only go out after the double payments are paid back.

So it looks to me that the first thing could have sound logical to him and he is obviously stubborn and wont change his mind on this. The second thing... is a bit stranger. It could be intended but it could be stupidity too. It can happen fast that you dont test enough or think testing isnt needed. Especially when he feels stressed because of the situation.

When these walls are worked up it would be hard to make another excuse that sounds reasonable. I mean i cant imagine something that would sound believeable. Its a risk of course but i have more to lose without the asset infos than i would when i help paying back double payments that couldnt be collected back.

I wonder if visiting him by group will have an effect. He probably only would react with fear, calling police or so. I believe its better to communicate without pressure to solve problems. Because pressure can lead to people closing themselves up if they cant handle it anymore. That could raise the problems.
I think he still is under big pressure. I mean think about what he lost. He lost his life he was so proud of. He lost the trust of a big community that were his friends. His family feels the effects probably. He has pressure with money probably... I mean one cant take more pressure than one can take. It even could be that he feels so much pressure that he has to stop working on the problems because he cant handle the pressure anymore. And he obviously isnt the type of person that is taking helping hands.

Because of that i took it as a good sign that he communicated in the blog. That means he is able to work on the problems and seems to do it. Unfortunately that was 15 days back. It would be time... really... to at least say some words whats the status. I mean he was through half of the list of double payment receivers after 7 days. Now its 15 days later... he should be able to contact all double payment receivers now.

There is no limit to the reasons he can make up, so what makes you think you could take them away? I agree with you that we should play his game, but just to see the extent he's capable of.

Better idea is to go visit him physically, preferably as a group.

Well Nefario didn't know what the meaning of "arbitrage" was. That is telling.

So you have a better idea than taking away the reasons why he could block giving out the asset infos? Let me know!