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no news.
So in one week lets see what he is saying. If he is naming the users keeping the others users money hostage or whatever new infos he has.
When has "let's wait a little longer" ever had a good outcome for the victims of Bitcoinica enterprise clusterfucks?
Not to date. It's a bad strategy anyway.
FTFY
Zero tolerance to fuckwittery makes for a clean, business-like environment.
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does anyone actually expect this situation to result in "the right thing"?
The only possible "right thing" outcome is to make an example of him, so that in the future scammers will think twice or thrice before scamming.
So you have a better idea than playing by the rules the person makes that have all the power in this game? Let me know what you have in mind then.
You never play by the abusive rules arbitrarily made by someone who imagines, with or without cause, that they hold all the power. We don't do it for the government and sure as fuck we shouldn't do it for any barely-literate fuckwit.
Zero tolerance to fuckwittery makes for a clean, business-like environment. The sort of idiocy you propose makes for the sort of environment you wallow in. Wake up.
Good to see you are an idealist... but the government can be replaced. They dont have some kind of secret password for the central bank so that no one could ever get the countries money without knowing the password.
Its simple in this case. You cant do anything when nefario dont want to cooperate. If you know a way to replace him like a government let me know. I wish you could surprise me.
What we need is a third and impartial party, who helps to clear up this mess. Call it a escrow or what ever.
That would be great, but there's no evidence anyone from GLBSE is willing to reason with anyone.Quote
Some received extra coin and now are told ".... I'd (The Moral Compass The First) advise people not to return any overpayments because ...." Sorry, but wtf are you to tell me to become a liar and a thieve?
No. I'm not advising anyone to lie or steal. I'm saying that if GLBSE is holding your asset ownership and you are holding GLBSE's bitcoins, there is no reason you should give up the only leverage you have while GLBSE is actively screwing you over.Let me give you an analogy. If you discovered today that Pirate actually sent you a few extra coins in interest, would you pay him back?
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Sure, your recommendation makes some sense on emotional level but this attitude will not help anyone to move forward. Do not get me wrong, I am not taking sides here and I do not trust that James guy too.
If you don't trust James, why would you advise the people he is screwing over to give him money?!Quote
I had few pennies as BTC in GLBSE account but lots of those "share" thingies and I am a hostage too, because some fucktards got more coin back than they deserved. Rest of us are holding our dicks and waiting, I guess.
Right, because GLBSE is not negotiating in good faith. The last thing you do with someone who is not negotiating in good faith is give them everything they want and hope they do the right thing.Quote
Good news is, that most of people have actually returned the extra coin they got. - This is really good start.
I disagree. It's an awful start. It means there is no negotiating leverage whatsoever.Quote
Problem is, that James has done nothing to show that he really plans to release the shares info and that he is willing to stop fucking around with honest ones.
Not only that, but he doesn't even seem to have any clue *how* to release the share info. And he has totally failed to do so in the past. And he isn't communicating. So unless something forces him to do the right thing, there's a very good chance he won't.Disclaimer, I am not here to fight about anything, I am not here to tell you what's wrong or what's right or get into any argument. I am done with that. I am here to share what I have been told by Nefario. If you want to listen, listen if not, I won't force you.
This is the situation described to me by Nefario.
Right now about 50% of the double payments has been sent back.
The script for the payout is still broken and James is working to fix it, so that it doesn't send any more double spendings and so that it takes the double spendings into account.
Nefario, is suggesting that if the double spendings are not returned then your account info will not be included in the asset information/list until the payment is sent back.
He could not give me a ETA but it seems like once the script for the payment is fully function, the rest of the payments should follow shortly.
note:(I am not sure of the actual system of asset claim, if it will be a code system similar to the one Goat was given or if it will be a list of information)
I will answer any questions that I feel like and I will ignore the rest.
//DeaDTerra
This is the situation described to me by Nefario.
Right now about 50% of the double payments has been sent back.
The script for the payout is still broken and James is working to fix it, so that it doesn't send any more double spendings and so that it takes the double spendings into account.
Nefario, is suggesting that if the double spendings are not returned then your account info will not be included in the asset information/list until the payment is sent back.
He could not give me a ETA but it seems like once the script for the payment is fully function, the rest of the payments should follow shortly.
note:(I am not sure of the actual system of asset claim, if it will be a code system similar to the one Goat was given or if it will be a list of information)
I will answer any questions that I feel like and I will ignore the rest.
//DeaDTerra
What we need is a third and impartial party, who helps to clear up this mess. Call it a escrow or what ever.
Traditionally it's called a liquidator.
It's about time.
What we need is a third and impartial party, who helps to clear up this mess. Call it a escrow or what ever.
Traditionally it's called a liquidator.
So you have a better idea than playing by the rules the person makes that have all the power in this game? Let me know what you have in mind then.
You never play by the abusive rules arbitrarily made by someone who imagines, with or without cause, that they hold all the power. We don't do it for the government and sure as fuck we shouldn't do it for any barely-literate fuckwit.
Zero tolerance to fuckwittery makes for a clean, business-like environment. The sort of idiocy you propose makes for the sort of environment you wallow in. Wake up.
Give me a fucking break. I haven't been in this forum non-stop during this whole thing, but who has any confirmation that this is what happened on the scale that is claimed?
What's the difference between this and extortion?
Its like Blagojevich. It's a fucking valuable thing, you just don't give it away for nothing.
What's the difference between this and extortion?
Its like Blagojevich. It's a fucking valuable thing, you just don't give it away for nothing.
So in one week lets see what he is saying. If he is naming the users keeping the others users money hostage or whatever new infos he has.
When has "let's wait a little longer" ever had a good outcome for the victims of Bitcoin enterprise clusterfucks?
So you have a better idea than playing by the rules the person makes that have all the power in this game? Let me know what you have in mind then.
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And to you other guys that are trying to justify that its a good thing to keep other users money hostage... please dont tell me that you own a double payment and this is your little try to get a better feeling with keeping it.
Its not your money. Nefario couldnt care less about you guys keeping this money. Its not his money and he seems to not have a problem when you dont give it back. He simply wouldnt move on with the payments then.
And then... how can you speak about how bad nefario has to be to keep others users and asset infos hostage while you are doing the same. You have no right to criticize him then. Because you are no better.
So in one week lets see what he is saying. If he is naming the users keeping the others users money hostage or whatever new infos he has.
When has "let's wait a little longer" ever had a good outcome for the victims of Bitcoin enterprise clusterfucks?
Not to date. It's a bad strategy anyway.
Who has bothered to call James and actually talk to him? Maybe calm him down, offered some help or advice? Anyone?
I think if anyone is a friend of Nefario, he should try to talk to Nefario, offer Nefario help and understanding, and encourage Nefario to end the GLBSE in an honest way. It has been nearly 4 weeks since the shut down of GLBSE, but it is better than never to deliver what he owe to his customers.
Rest of us are holding our dicks and waiting, I guess.
That's probably the plan anyway. I'm having a hard time believing the double payment was unintentional. Even if they were, it's still difficult to believe that James is blocking further payments in good faith. He has zero reason not to continue paying. He was already paying 90%, he could have resumed as 85%. No one is naive enough to believe that they can use peer pressure to get people to return double payments. So yes, intentional or not, he is using this to stall, and that's a fact.
ETA: However, I believe that playing his game is the best way to accelerate the process at this point.
ETA: Using the phrase "good faith" is a bit tricky in this situation. I'm also having a hard time believing that Nefario is actually nefarious. There are a lot of things we don't know. It's likely that he is being threatened, and lacking balls does not equate mala fides.
Who has bothered to call James and actually talk to him? Maybe calm him down, offered some help or advice? Anyone?
Many people did and reported here.
I have read his blogentry the way that he went through half of the lists of users that got a double payment. So i think he is contacting them one by one and forcing them, maybe with their asset infos or naming them on the board or something like that. In a week he went through half of the list and i think in another week the rest should be done. Whatever the result will be then. I dont mind if he make the users public that keep others users money hostage. I mean thats no better than nefario keeping the asset infos hostage. These users have no right to complain. Whoever they still are.
How does that work exactly? Nefario says he paid Jack Smith twice. Jack Smith says, yes Nefario paid him some extra bitcoins, but Nefario is also holding his asset ownership interest hostage and that's worth more than the Bitcoins he's holding. He'll also say he holds Nefario responsible for breaching GLBSE's agreement to protect his ownership interest and that his damages exceed the overpayment. He'll say he's tried in good faith to negotiate with Nefario/GLBSE and failed, just as everyone else has.So sure, Nefario could do this, but what's the point? Honestly, I'd advise people not to return any overpayments because it may be all they ever get for GLBSE betraying them. It would be different, of course, if Nefario/GLBSE were in good standing, but they're trying to get money back from their victims -- victims to whom they still owe.
JoelKatz, thank you for replacing that "look, lots of nose hair!" picture with this swell portrait of yourself. Nice. All you need to do now is paint that lovely orange shirt black, add more uniform curls to your wig
and call yourself The Moral Compass The First. (relax, this is just a friendly teasing) Togas are nice too, btw 
What we need is a third and impartial party, who helps to clear up this mess. Call it a escrow or what ever.
Some received extra coin and now are told ".... I'd (The Moral Compass The First) advise people not to return any overpayments because ...." Sorry, but wtf are you to tell me to become a liar and a thieve? Sure, your recommendation makes some sense on emotional level but this attitude will not help anyone to move forward. Do not get me wrong, I am not taking sides here and I do not trust that James guy too.
I had few pennies as BTC in GLBSE account but lots of those "share" thingies and I am a hostage too, because some fucktards got more coin back than they deserved. Rest of us are holding our dicks and waiting, I guess.
Good news is, that most of people have actually returned the extra coin they got. - This is really good start.
Problem is, that James has done nothing to show that he really plans to release the shares info and that he is willing to stop fucking around with honest ones.
James knows how has got extra coin and who has not - start working with those, who have returned the mistakenly overpaid coins.
James, use some third party to be a middle man, if you have to, but for fuck sake, lets move on with this.
Let us know, what is going on here: http://blog.glbse.com/ if you hate this forum so much
Who has bothered to call James and actually talk to him? Maybe calm him down, offered some help or advice? Anyone?
I have read his blogentry the way that he went through half of the lists of users that got a double payment. So i think he is contacting them one by one and forcing them, maybe with their asset infos or naming them on the board or something like that. In a week he went through half of the list and i think in another week the rest should be done. Whatever the result will be then. I dont mind if he make the users public that keep others users money hostage. I mean thats no better than nefario keeping the asset infos hostage. These users have no right to complain. Whoever they still are.
How does that work exactly? Nefario says he paid Jack Smith twice. Jack Smith says, yes Nefario paid him some extra bitcoins, but Nefario is also holding his asset ownership interest hostage and that's worth more than the Bitcoins he's holding. He'll also say he holds Nefario responsible for breaching GLBSE's agreement to protect his ownership interest and that his damages exceed the overpayment. He'll say he's tried in good faith to negotiate with Nefario/GLBSE and failed, just as everyone else has.So sure, Nefario could do this, but what's the point? Honestly, I'd advise people not to return any overpayments because it may be all they ever get for GLBSE betraying them. It would be different, of course, if Nefario/GLBSE were in good standing, but they're trying to get money back from their victims -- victims to whom they still owe.
This doesn't make sense to me. In fact, I'm not paying my cable, electric, water and gas bill until the companies I overpaid last month return my funds. Here's the list of companies I overpaid:
- Verizon
- Them garbage pick up guys
- Direct TV
- Visa
- Exxon
When I get my funds back, I will pay you other guys.
Somewhere in Ireland, some relative has turned over in his grave.
~Bruno K~
Karma could be a bitch here. If he really is on the dole and someone gets pissed off enough to report him for possible welfare fraud then the government might decide that they've overpaid him and that they want their money back (and not just "most" of it). Those recordings of him hyping up himself and GLBSE could come back to haunt him big time.
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This doesn't make sense to me. In fact, I'm not paying my cable, electric, water and gas bill until the companies I overpaid last month return my funds. Here's the list of companies I overpaid:
When I get my funds back, I will pay you other guys.
Somewhere in Ireland, some relative has turned over in his grave.
~Bruno K~
This doesn't make sense to me. In fact, I'm not paying my cable, electric, water and gas bill until the companies I overpaid last month return my funds. Here's the list of companies I overpaid:
- Verizon
- Them garbage pick up guys
- Direct TV
- Visa
- Exxon
When I get my funds back, I will pay you other guys.
Somewhere in Ireland, some relative has turned over in his grave.
~Bruno K~
You should probably add the IRS to that list too.
Wow, Wish I had room in my sig for that.
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This doesn't make sense to me. In fact, I'm not paying my cable, electric, water and gas bill until the companies I overpaid last month return my funds. Here's the list of companies I overpaid:
When I get my funds back, I will pay you other guys.
Somewhere in Ireland, some relative has turned over in his grave.
~Bruno K~
This doesn't make sense to me. In fact, I'm not paying my cable, electric, water and gas bill until the companies I overpaid last month return my funds. Here's the list of companies I overpaid:
- Verizon
- Them garbage pick up guys
- Direct TV
- Visa
- Exxon
When I get my funds back, I will pay you other guys.
Somewhere in Ireland, some relative has turned over in his grave.
~Bruno K~
You should probably add the IRS to that list too.
The little word "most" shows that nefario isnt insanely thinking that he will get all of the money back. Thats a good sign for me because he is aware that it probably will be "most" only. It could be another way... at least he made some strict decisions in the past so that one could fear that he wouldnt make a compromise here too.
He needs to define "most". Otherwise "most" is entirely subjective and he can drag this out forever with no good reason. It seems highly unlikely that anyone who hasn't already returned their overpayment will suddenly do so. Whether "most" is 70%, 80% or 90%, Nefario needs to be clear about what the benchmark is and how long he intends to wait for it to be reached. Right now, the way it looks from the outside is that he's setting it at an unrealistically high level so that he can use it as an excuse for halting refunds and continuing to with-hold information from asset issuers and their users. It's up to Nefario to convince people that's not the case.
What is Nefario's plan if his totally arbitrary benchmark for "most" is never reached? He needs to commit to a date after which the refund process will continue whether or not that benchmark has been reached even if it means that users receive less than the full amount owed to them. He also needs to pass on user information to asset issuers right now there is literally no good reason for his continued failure to do that - he's intentionally created a situation where the value of that information is diminishing by the day.
Nefario is not acting in good faith. Sooner or later his frustrated users will start acting in bad faith too and he'll have only himself to blame when that happens.
I have read his blogentry the way that he went through half of the lists of users that got a double payment. So i think he is contacting them one by one and forcing them, maybe with their asset infos or naming them on the board or something like that. In a week he went through half of the list and i think in another week the rest should be done. Whatever the result will be then. I dont mind if he make the users public that keep others users money hostage. I mean thats no better than nefario keeping the asset infos hostage. These users have no right to complain. Whoever they still are.
He should of course be specific... but on the other hand... he cant be too specific because the users with double payment could think... "oh then he doesnt need my money back" or similar.
At least he doesnt claim that he expect to get everything back. And it looks like he is working on this topic at the moment. So in one week lets see what he is saying. If he is naming the users keeping the others users money hostage or whatever new infos he has.
Let me see if I have this correct. Nefario is planning on publishing a list of people who scammed him. If that's the case, wouldn't his word not mean anything since his labeled as a scammer? And what stops him from adding names to the list of those who didn't scam it.
This doesn't make sense to me. In fact, I'm not paying my cable, electric, water and gas bill until the companies I overpaid last month return my funds. Here's the list of companies I overpaid:
- Verizon
- Them garbage pick up guys
- Direct TV
- Visa
- Exxon
When I get my funds back, I will pay you other guys.
Somewhere in Ireland, some relative has turned over in his grave.
~Bruno K~
So in one week lets see what he is saying. If he is naming the users keeping the others users money hostage or whatever new infos he has.
When has "let's wait a little longer" ever had a good outcome for the victims of Bitcoin enterprise clusterfucks?
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