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legendary
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October 07, 2012, 09:57:53 AM



What evidence for the phrase "I'd say"?  My thoughts and opinions.  I don't need "evidence" to say my opinion and speculation.

My evidence that he is scamming everyone?  A friend tried to "invest" ~150BTC and wasn't able to because of an error with the website, emailed Nefario who responded that he "fixed" the problem and try and send again.... 5 minutes later the website was shutdown with the index page replaced.  Looks like my friend had the unfortunate experience of sending money during the time he was shutting everything down, he actually re-enabled the site just to get that extra BTC and then shut it down immediately after.

If he was shutting it down due to legal issues, why would he accept ~150BTC 5 minutes before turning out the lights?

The writing is on the wall folks, this is just the latest scam in bitcoin history.

That alone should get that scammer tag assigned and be enough to stop him from getting the btc from theymos. Do you have the tx?

It would be helpful to see the proof of this as the person who said this has also just admitted to jumping to his own conclusions without evidence.


Trolls.... I will explain this for other people reading though...

The phrase "I'd say" is a way of guessing in english.  So when I say "I'd say he has fiat instead of bitcoins" it is guessing that he might have converted it and implying in the guess that he scammed everyone.  A guess does not need "evidence" because it isn't a fact.

http://esl.about.com/od/grammarstructures/a/f_guess.htm

And as far as proof being submitted.... I wish this person would, I've asked and urged them to, however at this point they know they've become a victim of a scam and don't see coming out in the open and losing their privacy as a benefit to themselves at all.

If you don't want to believe me, that's fine, doesn't bother me at all.  I know that when everything is said and done that everyone will see it for a scam.

Want to put your BTC where your mouth is?  5btc bet escrowed with gweedo that all the money and btc is not paid back?

I fully understand the "I say" part, even when I read it the first time. Would you or somebody else be so kind as to show the proof of the Mt Gox spike?

Thanks, oldschool.

~Bruno K~
donator
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October 07, 2012, 09:56:08 AM
@oldschools, you should give evidence. Or at least you can persuade your friend to submit his evidence to the shareholder of GLBSE, like theymos, so they can vote for the right decision.

What makes me wondering is that why Nefario cannot just make it simple, just open the GLBSE but stop all trading function, and let the users withdraw the bitcoin? Isn't that simpler than ask users to provide blablabla and a bitcoin address? (that's how some other bitcoin exchanges shut themselves down.) At the same time, Nefario will be able to prepare the issuer-shareholder relationship transfer mechanism. Nefario has increased the difficulty for the users to obtain their bitcoin.
hero member
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October 07, 2012, 09:50:05 AM
Does anyone have the glbse account address so we can check it against blockchain and find that tx?
donator
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October 07, 2012, 09:47:03 AM
If Nefario did scam us our bitcoin, it won't be a problem to go after him. His identity information is known to this community. So I think he won't be so stupid to do that.
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October 07, 2012, 09:31:37 AM



What evidence for the phrase "I'd say"?  My thoughts and opinions.  I don't need "evidence" to say my opinion and speculation.

My evidence that he is scamming everyone?  A friend tried to "invest" ~150BTC and wasn't able to because of an error with the website, emailed Nefario who responded that he "fixed" the problem and try and send again.... 5 minutes later the website was shutdown with the index page replaced.  Looks like my friend had the unfortunate experience of sending money during the time he was shutting everything down, he actually re-enabled the site just to get that extra BTC and then shut it down immediately after.

If he was shutting it down due to legal issues, why would he accept ~150BTC 5 minutes before turning out the lights?

The writing is on the wall folks, this is just the latest scam in bitcoin history.

That alone should get that scammer tag assigned and be enough to stop him from getting the btc from theymos. Do you have the tx?

It would be helpful to see the proof of this as the person who said this has also just admitted to jumping to his own conclusions without evidence.


Trolls.... I will explain this for other people reading though...

The phrase "I'd say" is a way of guessing in english.  So when I say "I'd say he has fiat instead of bitcoins" it is guessing that he might have converted it and implying in the guess that he scammed everyone.  A guess does not need "evidence" because it isn't a fact.

http://esl.about.com/od/grammarstructures/a/f_guess.htm

And as far as proof being submitted.... I wish this person would, I've asked and urged them to, however at this point they know they've become a victim of a scam and don't see coming out in the open and losing their privacy as a benefit to themselves at all.

If you don't want to believe me, that's fine, doesn't bother me at all.  I know that when everything is said and done that everyone will see it for a scam.

Want to put your BTC where your mouth is?  5btc bet escrowed with gweedo that all the money and btc is not paid back?
hero member
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October 07, 2012, 09:29:22 AM
If he wont bring forth evidence, the statement shouldnt even be brought up. Its just conjecture.
It's worse than conjencture. What is the tx id?
legendary
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October 07, 2012, 09:27:29 AM
Most likely, he has a deal and stipulates him shutting down in this harsh manner to exempt himself from liability and criminal prosecution.  I said the same thing when Pirate shut down then started asking for information.  Standard practice.

If a government authority is the cause of this, then Nefario has not disclosed that to the shareholders or other people with whom he's spoken.  From what people have posted regarding their conversations with him, it seems far more likely that he got spooked when he finally consulted an actual lawyer about "legitimising" GLBSE on Wednesday and learned that all of his "but Bitcoin" claims of GLBSE's activities not being illegal were actually wrong.

Interestingly, despite his claims that GLBSE was doing nothing wrong, the very fact that he spoke in terms of "legitimising" it is an admission that he knew it was not operating legitimately and any competent lawyer would wipe the floor with him over that.

It's extremely unlikely that any government regulator would go after Nefario alone in relation to GLBSE's activities - it's not a sole proprietorship entity.

+1
hero member
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October 07, 2012, 09:23:12 AM
If he wont bring forth evidence, the statement shouldnt even be brought up. Its just conjecture.
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October 07, 2012, 09:15:15 AM



What evidence for the phrase "I'd say"?  My thoughts and opinions.  I don't need "evidence" to say my opinion and speculation.

My evidence that he is scamming everyone?  A friend tried to "invest" ~150BTC and wasn't able to because of an error with the website, emailed Nefario who responded that he "fixed" the problem and try and send again.... 5 minutes later the website was shutdown with the index page replaced.  Looks like my friend had the unfortunate experience of sending money during the time he was shutting everything down, he actually re-enabled the site just to get that extra BTC and then shut it down immediately after.

If he was shutting it down due to legal issues, why would he accept ~150BTC 5 minutes before turning out the lights?

The writing is on the wall folks, this is just the latest scam in bitcoin history.

That alone should get that scammer tag assigned and be enough to stop him from getting the btc from theymos. Do you have the tx?

It would be helpful to see the proof of this as the person who said this has also just admitted to jumping to his own conclusions without evidence.
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October 07, 2012, 09:12:16 AM
Theymos, can you tell us whether you control the ~675 BTC currently in GBLSE address 1FX22c76vybHJSJdCCjKHDHhcMDhDX87nw, or if Nefario does (or none of the above)?

I am seeing conflicting information.

I hold ~800 BTC in "anonymous" user funds. It doesn't belong to anyone in particular. If I had the GLBSE user database, I would send this BTC proportionally to all GLBSE users.

Nefario has, I would guess, 4000-8000 user BTC in total.

MtGox had a ~9000btc volume spike in one hour yesterday, I'd say Nefario has 90k USD not 8000BTC

based on what evidence?

What evidence for the phrase "I'd say"?  My thoughts and opinions.  I don't need "evidence" to say my opinion and speculation.

My evidence that he is scamming everyone?  A friend tried to "invest" ~150BTC and wasn't able to because of an error with the website, emailed Nefario who responded that he "fixed" the problem and try and send again.... 5 minutes later the website was shutdown with the index page replaced.  Looks like my friend had the unfortunate experience of sending money during the time he was shutting everything down, he actually re-enabled the site just to get that extra BTC and then shut it down immediately after.

If he was shutting it down due to legal issues, why would he accept ~150BTC 5 minutes before turning out the lights?

The writing is on the wall folks, this is just the latest scam in bitcoin history.

That alone should get that scammer tag assigned and be enough to stop him from getting the btc from theymos. Do you have the tx?

I've suggested that this friend get involved, however they wish to remain anonymous and silent on the issue...  I told them the emails, email headers, and tx history would be proof positive but I guess they'd prefer to keep their privacy and anonymity on the issue.  Things like this I've never understood, but to each their own.
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October 07, 2012, 09:08:40 AM
Theymos, can you tell us whether you control the ~675 BTC currently in GBLSE address 1FX22c76vybHJSJdCCjKHDHhcMDhDX87nw, or if Nefario does (or none of the above)?

I am seeing conflicting information.

I hold ~800 BTC in "anonymous" user funds. It doesn't belong to anyone in particular. If I had the GLBSE user database, I would send this BTC proportionally to all GLBSE users.

Nefario has, I would guess, 4000-8000 user BTC in total.

MtGox had a ~9000btc volume spike in one hour yesterday, I'd say Nefario has 90k USD not 8000BTC

based on what evidence?

What evidence for the phrase "I'd say"?  My thoughts and opinions.  I don't need "evidence" to say my opinion and speculation.

My evidence that he is scamming everyone?  A friend tried to "invest" ~150BTC and wasn't able to because of an error with the website, emailed Nefario who responded that he "fixed" the problem and try and send again.... 5 minutes later the website was shutdown with the index page replaced.  Looks like my friend had the unfortunate experience of sending money during the time he was shutting everything down, he actually re-enabled the site just to get that extra BTC and then shut it down immediately after.

If he was shutting it down due to legal issues, why would he accept ~150BTC 5 minutes before turning out the lights?

The writing is on the wall folks, this is just the latest scam in bitcoin history.

That alone should get that scammer tag assigned and be enough to stop him from getting the btc from theymos. Do you have the tx?
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October 07, 2012, 09:04:09 AM
Theymos, can you tell us whether you control the ~675 BTC currently in GBLSE address 1FX22c76vybHJSJdCCjKHDHhcMDhDX87nw, or if Nefario does (or none of the above)?

I am seeing conflicting information.

I hold ~800 BTC in "anonymous" user funds. It doesn't belong to anyone in particular. If I had the GLBSE user database, I would send this BTC proportionally to all GLBSE users.

Nefario has, I would guess, 4000-8000 user BTC in total.

MtGox had a ~9000btc volume spike in one hour yesterday, I'd say Nefario has 90k USD not 8000BTC

based on what evidence?

What evidence for the phrase "I'd say"?  My thoughts and opinions.  I don't need "evidence" to say my opinion and speculation.

My evidence that he is scamming everyone?  A friend tried to "invest" ~150BTC and wasn't able to because of an error with the website, emailed Nefario who responded that he "fixed" the problem and try and send again.... 5 minutes later the website was shutdown with the index page replaced.  Looks like my friend had the unfortunate experience of sending money during the time he was shutting everything down, he actually re-enabled the site just to get that extra BTC and then shut it down immediately after.

If he was shutting it down due to legal issues, why would he accept ~150BTC 5 minutes before turning out the lights?

The writing is on the wall folks, this is just the latest scam in bitcoin history.
full member
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October 07, 2012, 08:48:40 AM
Theymos, can you tell us whether you control the ~675 BTC currently in GBLSE address 1FX22c76vybHJSJdCCjKHDHhcMDhDX87nw, or if Nefario does (or none of the above)?

I am seeing conflicting information.

I hold ~800 BTC in "anonymous" user funds. It doesn't belong to anyone in particular. If I had the GLBSE user database, I would send this BTC proportionally to all GLBSE users.

Nefario has, I would guess, 4000-8000 user BTC in total.

MtGox had a ~9000btc volume spike in one hour yesterday, I'd say Nefario has 90k USD not 8000BTC

based on what evidence?
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October 07, 2012, 08:47:17 AM
Theymos, can you tell us whether you control the ~675 BTC currently in GBLSE address 1FX22c76vybHJSJdCCjKHDHhcMDhDX87nw, or if Nefario does (or none of the above)?

I am seeing conflicting information.

I hold ~800 BTC in "anonymous" user funds. It doesn't belong to anyone in particular. If I had the GLBSE user database, I would send this BTC proportionally to all GLBSE users.

Nefario has, I would guess, 4000-8000 user BTC in total.

MtGox had a ~9000btc volume spike in one hour yesterday, I'd say Nefario has 90k USD not 8000BTC

EDIT: I guess it would be 55k GBP
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October 07, 2012, 07:42:10 AM
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Wat
October 07, 2012, 06:47:09 AM
You should probably all be aware that Nefario is already planning on creating a legal, regulated Bitcoin stock exchange service (of some sort) once this blows over.

I don't mean to be a hater, but I think that's going to be a pretty hard road to go down. Stock exchanges are complicated financial services, perhaps best left to professionals, no?

Another interesting thing from the conference though was talk about the Bitcoin Scripting which could allow for exchanges to operate without any 3rd party. Companies could run the process themselves, or someone could develop software allowing people to run an exchange themselves. 

Thats what I was thinking, kinda like trading ecrypted certificates. Make a place where you can post the sale of these certificates and then leave paying dividends to the issuer. Make some kind of rating system, where people who have bought sold like silk road can rate the sellers and the product.

Just gather some private investment and dont allow public trading of the shares. Thats how the company that runs glbse itself functions.
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October 07, 2012, 06:38:00 AM
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Wat
October 07, 2012, 06:36:56 AM
Nothing is stopping Nefario from interacting or communicating with stakeholders here. He may be required legally to refuse to comment on some things, but he could be in here reassuring people and at least ending the near-panic that the silence is causing.  His refusal to do this is baffling.  Undecided



Nefarios lawyer is running glbse.
legendary
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October 07, 2012, 06:31:04 AM
Nothing is stopping Nefario from interacting or communicating with stakeholders here. He may be required legally to refuse to comment on some things, but he could be in here reassuring people and at least ending the near-panic that the silence is causing.  His refusal to do this is baffling.  Undecided

I hope the reason behind he doesnt do this is that he works all the time at the script to give out the codes for shareholders.
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October 07, 2012, 06:18:45 AM
Nothing is stopping Nefario from interacting or communicating with stakeholders here. He may be required legally to refuse to comment on some things, but he could be in here reassuring people and at least ending the near-panic that the silence is causing.  His refusal to do this is baffling.  Undecided

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