Topic: Nefario - page 82. (Read 198705 times)

If i would be nefario and would held responsible when glbse lives on i would crash it too. I mean such market isnt worth enough for a person to go to jail. I think no one would decide another way.

But taking user money isnt ok. (Ok, he didnt yet but plans to do so isnt it?) Or maybe is the lawyer not against him in person but against the company? If so it would be correct to defend the company with companies money. But is the money of the users the money of the company? Is the money a investment into the company? I doubt that. So then it would be wrong anyway.

Of course... with the data from glbse the shareholders can get their shares and a new platform could be created. So i think if all is correct that had been said, nefario cant act another way to protect himself. I mean i want to see the person that would hold glbse alive when in exchange you have to go to jail or similar.

@Theymos Do you know someone able to access the database of glbse so that you can make a backup just in case? I dont want to hear at one time that all data is lost or something. Or that i have to join a new platform to get my shares and joining the new platform wouldnt be good for me.
Can you reveal the usernames of the glbse-shareholders? Are they reputated forummembers? Maybe they should say some words too when they know more.


Why should it be a scam? Theymos said there are only 600BTC in glbse in form of btc. Thats not much earning to create a scam this big dont you think?

And what customers losses should they give back? You speak from the money used for lawyer only? Its not spent yet it seems.


Again a .com...


You assume its not him sued but the company. And you assume the customers money is invested in glbse. But it isnt in my opinion. I never got a dividend from glbse itself so i didnt invest in glbse. I moved my money there to buy shares but this doesnt mean its the money of glbse now. So nefario is using money he shouldnt. Am i right?


As if this would help. Governments all over the world make acts to restrict internet by using rules from last century. In the name of copyright, terrorism, childporn they try to use ways that worked in the old days but not now anymore. They will use old rules when they can because the think old.


You should find your username in the browser you stored it in and you should have emails from glbse. So you know the email you used.


If so he should start to communicate. Otherwise his new platform wont have the trust he need to get investors.

Any chance of a quick run-down of the chat? I think we're all curious to find out what's going on here...

If the IPO took place right before the shut-down I would imagine they would be paid back.  You best contacting - [email protected]

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Nefario in my p.o.v has a great character and does everything to get this solved in the best way. I don't think this is a guy that would ever run with someone else's money.

Did you ask him if we can have the fees back we paid for an IPO he now will not provide since he has turned tail and run away?

I've just been on the phone with Nafario for a good half hour and even tho someone stated that Nafario had used users money to pay recent GLBSE legal fees is untrue.  He hasn't even paid his solicitor a penny yet. 

It will more than time for service providers to either go fully legal or fully alegal (tor hidden service anyone). And that may include this forum.

We all knew Bitcoin was a threat to the power that be, and seems like the time has come for us to face this reality.

I would fully support tor hidden services, but they pose a big trust issue that I don't know how to solve :/

Did this just get added to GBLSE?

We will begin retuning bitcoin once we have recieved all coins from the GLBSE treasurer that manages the GLBSE cash reserves. BitcoinGlobal (GLBSE's partent company) shareholders and board voted for them to be returned immediately, we are awaiting compliance with this order.

Im confused, didnt theymos say they want to agree to this too?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Although my kids may disagree with your opinion of me. Anyway, I have seen people doxed on here for stealing 20btc. Anyone here lose more than that to nefarios disregard for his own rules, laws, or ethics? The scammer tag in this case would ensure that none of these people would ever choose to do business with someone who so obviously has no regard for their own customers or the standards the pretend to uphold.

Quoted for the immense quantity of comedic gold embodied. Is that you, theygoat?!

+1 running the GLBSE was probably where Nafario made his living.  The GLBSE was his brainchild and he was very passionate about it.  For him to stop trading on the GLBSE must have been a very big and important decision to make.  He wouldn't shut it down for the fun of it and is definitely not trying to steal coins or scam.  So he definitely does not deserve the scammer tag.  Also Theymous its in your interest to make sure Nafario's legal fees get paid over GLBSE matters rather than slandering him and nominating him for a scammer tag from the community.


You are just a troll, probably an adolescent and insecure 

scammer tag is a joke anyways.
The fact people can have it removed like a week (actually a day or 2 is more accurate) later is retarded.

Alice scams Bob. Alice gets scammer tag. Bob finds Alice personal info and Alice pays back. 30 mins later scammer tag is removed.
Yes Alice is changed individual... never to scam again.  

I understand people worries about scams due to bitcoins history. But nothing about glbse situation would add up to it being a scam. there would not be enough bitcoins held to make it worth the while to cut and run, and the perpetual income from trade and listing fees would be more worthwhile to keep the exchange functioning.

Maybe we need a new tag -- tried to run a legit-business which couldn't be legit given the regulatory environment and thus exposed all users to exchange-going-down-risk. Someone should leak GLBSE code and then set it up on a TOR hidden service so then we can actually get scammed by a real scammer! What a world.

now every scammer is going to be saying this....(well not saying anything... but hinting at legal issues)

Given that he has no problem to use that same threat of force to compel his users to follow his rules I would say that even if he is under duress it isn't an excuse in his case.

Evidence:

Nefario is a saint...
I know he just earned many BTCBTCBTC by the glory god!!

Let´s loan your money to a toilet...

Glad your keeping us all in check badbear, better to have this looked at rationally then its not questioned later.

Theymos has backed up all of these with evidence, and I'm satisfied the burden of proof has been met, even for the last point, which I didn't initially buy (MtGox anyone?).

However, if Nefario is being compelled to do these things under threat of force (govt), should he still be given the scammer tag? Normally the burden of proof would be on him to prove he's under duress, but what if he's not allowed to, again under threat of force? That was one of my first concerns with the situation with Nefario/Goat, and it still is now.

Laws and regulations are a pain, and make things a lot more complicated than they need to be.

Out of curiosity, did you or any of the other shareholders happen to make a recording of the shareholder meeting?