Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 230. (Read 661498 times)
April 06, 2014, 09:34:35 AM
Seriously, why are we not going to launch with an app? If the reason is that it can't be done then I can understand. But I would love to hear why it would be a good idea to launch without one? I don't think the argument that we won't fail if we launch without one is good enough. Seriously, when NEM launches it should be READY for non-crypto users. READY for non-technical users. No one has said to rush this. Is it NOT possible to have one ready when we lauch? Is taking into account security of the app too much to have it ready? If that is the reason fine. I can understand. But I can't see the reasoning beyond that. Let's have this discussion. Maybe I am off base here, but I worry that some of us are so tech savvy that we have a hard time knowing the importance of making things simple for non-technical users. Like we just can't realize how others don't get things that are so easy for us tech guys to understand. So we don't place enough importance on it. IMO, an app would set us apart, and at the same time, allow new people to easily adopt NEM. If you agree, say something. I am new to cryptos, and this is one thing from a long list I plan to bring up to help NEM break the crypto mold.
April 06, 2014, 09:32:01 AM
I know I am a little late to reply here, but I want to go back and clear what I was saying about NEM needing a mobile platform. I really do believe mobile will be the future of computers and finance. I think it will be the "primary" device of the normal person, but not the only one. For sure desktops and notebooks and servers and supercomputers will of course still exist.
After reading more about M-Pesa for a different post, I think that this helps to prove the point. Here is the chart of M-Pesa verses bitcoin. Both are digital platforms for transferring money.
This chart clearly shows what it means to be adapted. M-Pesa is winning, bitcoin simply isn't. At this rate, who knows how long before bitcoin "goes to the moon".
Bitcoin just isn't cutting it, and I am guessing won't ever get the job done. It is too slow and too difficult to use. M-Pesa is as simple as sending a text. Banking on the go. I would really love to see NEM be as easy as M-Pesa at transferring money. That is part of the reason why I am willing to give part of my stake as a bounty for a mobile app developer. I believe in it that much.
I think the most important thing in NEM's long term future is getting businesses to accept it and people to spend it. If the community agrees that is important, it seems like some things need to be met first. Excellent and easy to use clients, an exchange of fiat to NEM, and trust in NEM.
I am not sure but it seems like M-Pesa was originally or still is backed by mobile prepaid airtime minutes. So the minutes acted as a gold standard for the M-Pesa units. People knew that at anytime they could just use the M-Pesa on their phones to buy airtime if they weren't going to spend it elsewhere. Those rates were locked in. Right now bitcoin is backed by USD or RMB or EUR, but it doesn't have to be limited to that. And unfortunately (or fortunately) bitcoin isn't locked in into anything and that makes investors weary. This is why having an exchange is soooooo important at the start. (something like a Bitpay/Coinbase combo) Anyway, I think I am rambling now. Just some thoughts to think on.
After reading more about M-Pesa for a different post, I think that this helps to prove the point. Here is the chart of M-Pesa verses bitcoin. Both are digital platforms for transferring money.
This chart clearly shows what it means to be adapted. M-Pesa is winning, bitcoin simply isn't. At this rate, who knows how long before bitcoin "goes to the moon".
Bitcoin just isn't cutting it, and I am guessing won't ever get the job done. It is too slow and too difficult to use. M-Pesa is as simple as sending a text. Banking on the go. I would really love to see NEM be as easy as M-Pesa at transferring money. That is part of the reason why I am willing to give part of my stake as a bounty for a mobile app developer. I believe in it that much.
I think the most important thing in NEM's long term future is getting businesses to accept it and people to spend it. If the community agrees that is important, it seems like some things need to be met first. Excellent and easy to use clients, an exchange of fiat to NEM, and trust in NEM.
I am not sure but it seems like M-Pesa was originally or still is backed by mobile prepaid airtime minutes. So the minutes acted as a gold standard for the M-Pesa units. People knew that at anytime they could just use the M-Pesa on their phones to buy airtime if they weren't going to spend it elsewhere. Those rates were locked in. Right now bitcoin is backed by USD or RMB or EUR, but it doesn't have to be limited to that. And unfortunately (or fortunately) bitcoin isn't locked in into anything and that makes investors weary. This is why having an exchange is soooooo important at the start. (something like a Bitpay/Coinbase combo) Anyway, I think I am rambling now. Just some thoughts to think on.
Serious agree,Mobile Internet is the future trend,It soon turned into a boom.
Agree +1
April 06, 2014, 09:30:40 AM
Could be much more than 3000 acc if there be a few hundred splits
April 06, 2014, 09:26:39 AM
I'm impressed! This threat is full of interesting discussion and good spirit!
Our main strength: this community!!!
Our main strength: this community!!!
I've followed a few coins some as a miner, some as an investor, but NEM certainly appears to be different. UP has put together a strong team and has created a strong vision, allowing people to get behind the movement. The number and diversity of stakeholders and the way it has been done is very open and impressive. Finally the open audit and handling of complaints, queries, ideas has been very warm and professional.
KC
I recently read a very interesting post about somebody who spent sometime to study and analyse NXT. One interesting conclusion was that there were just under 1000 core NXT users. As very impressive as NXT is for its new tech, and it is very impressive (or will be when all those promises are delivered on). The community as a whole isn't backing it. The story behind NEM, has a lot more marketing strength. NEM on day one will already have a much larger user base than NXT and can quite possibly explode from there. NEM is literally the first time ever something like this has been done in the crypto cummunity. EVERY previous coin was dominated by large investors or early powerful miners. This may or may not be good for NEM, we will have to wait and see, but I am willing to try hard and see because I believe it is a better way. Bitcoin's story is "an experiment that turned out quite interesting and as time went on went from being a fluke to the real deal." NXT's story is "A guy made a really good code and 70 lucky friends and community members got in on it" (this isn't exactly true, but it will always be told like that). NEM has a chance to rewrite its own narrative. A group of thousands of people came together to create a new and better to deal with money, not just for themselves, but for everyone in the world.
I think there are not more of 300 NEM Users... the rest are sockpuppets! don´t make u unserious .... i do not like that everyone means there are thousands of NEM Stakeholers and all the people know it!
The stakeholder's list has 1,090 Bitcoin talk veteran accounts, how can you speculate that there are no more than 300 Nem stakeholders?
Then you have to consider that many of those veterans also tried to get other people that they know to join Nem, seeing it as a big opportunity, also consider this crypto guy with a large twitter following who mentioned the fund raising in his twitter account as well as those who mentioned it in Reddit and other major social media, and the people who browse the site but don't comment, but joined to get a stake.
Then you also have to consider the I think 200+ open slots, and the 20 page waiting list that's still growing, with the rules being much stricter and Utopianfuture focusing only on people who can significantly contribute to Nem.
300 stake holder just doesn't make sense, unless it's wishful thinking on your part.
300 is total bs. If someone wants to mock NEM for not being fair at least use som realistic numbers that don't make you look like a total moron that just talks without doing any research. kthxbey.
Exactly.
I think he probably realized that 300 is too low of a number after I told him that there are 1,090 Bitcointalk veteran stakeholders. So rather than somewhat admitting that he was off, he now rather argue that every member has four Bitcoinalk accounts. It's too much taking things out of thin air and saying them with authority. That's a personality flaw.
Ive read that there are people who bought 1 stake for a few people,you cant know how many stakes gonna be split after distribution
April 06, 2014, 08:52:25 AM
jabo38: there was Nxt, that was released with a crappy client and no features and no marketing, so it allowed a fair distribution in first weeks. Thousandts of people were buying Nxt for 100-400 Satoshi before people realized how cool this is and a price went up
once there was a hyped coin by marketing, they called it Maxcoin: http://coinmarketcap.com/max_90.html
you should also study Coin2, it had 1000 stakeholders: http://coinmarketcap.com/c2_30.html
so Coin2 is already more fair than NEM - because everyone got it for free
once there was a hyped coin by marketing, they called it Maxcoin: http://coinmarketcap.com/max_90.html
you should also study Coin2, it had 1000 stakeholders: http://coinmarketcap.com/c2_30.html
so Coin2 is already more fair than NEM - because everyone got it for free
Looks like some anxiousness is growing while spring is going forward
Birds are singing, bees are buzzing,
all kind of stings are uncovered.
There have been lately silly comparisons, like this: 1000 free stakeholders are more fair than 3000 bought-in stakeholders. It's quite sure that there is some threshold for the used money, some bought a stake with 10 NXT, isn't it almost free.
Those facts are overtaken, because it might dull the sting
April 06, 2014, 08:36:35 AM
TauMuon: Juzion owns 4 stakes, he said it. So he thinks, others can have even more - 10 stakes - so the number is 3000/10=300
No i have 2 stakes but i have read the refunding list thread ... and that´s are only the guys who make it stupid...
I´m only invested before in bitcoins since 2 years but not a trader, i´m a collector
I say it... we will see it if the coins are distributet to each account possible there are 500 Accounts...we will see.
At this moment i bought another 50000 Coin2 and for 2 days 200000 Nxt.
@ salasz next month i visit prag and than we can talk about it with 2 or 3 Staropramen
you have only 2 stakes. But you guess that an average stakeholder has 10. Seem contradictory to me? Care to explain why do you think so?
Everyone can buy 1 million bitcoin when it was less than 1 cent if that person is more than 10 year olds. But it does not mean an average 10 year old has 1 million bitcoin.
because I 've watched the entire registration phase . I've watched the refunding discussion . those are only small fish have been caught there.
What about the deposit at the beginning about dgex ... BTER ... vircurex that the people are but they were smart , the can not catch you .
Or the people without which they had to pay at the beginning of what I have just told you , the veteran member all have multiple accounts !
But me and that it's just what bothers me a Coin adorns itself as fair.
NEM is not fair, but it can be good!
And that is the reason why I follow NEM .
NEM can be something big without it must adorn themselves with fairly. You know how people will talk about it later and take the FAIR apart.
I have my 2 stakes but am only later joined because I 've been thinking if I want it at all.
I also did not Germany Coin chosen even if there is the FREE , I think it sucks.
I opt only for what I think it is useful. I take nothing free I 'll take it consciously .
I still did not see anything other than you are saying it is possible. It was possible to invest 2 BTC in Nxt and got 100 million Nxt from original distribution. It was possible to buy 1 million Bitcoin at some point too. I knew about Bitcoin in 2010 when I did a research about different form of currency. I had quite a big amount of saving back then too. By your logic, I would be a Bitcoin multi-millionaire by now. It was possible is different from what was actually being done. Maybe you want to put some more thought on this distinction before making any speculation.
The debate about fairness is such meaningless discussion that I don't intend to enter ever. What should be discussed are developers, innovations, and community. The spread of 3000 stakeholders first of all is about to build a strong and big community. We would be successful if we manage to do that.
April 06, 2014, 08:31:12 AM
Imho everyone should be allowed to submit as many logos as they want. I personaly don't care if someone submits 20 logos if they're all awesome. In the end we want to have a nice professional representative logo and I couldn't care less if it comes from someone that tried 100 times or from someone that only submited one.
No, you read this wrong.
i agree, anyone can and should submit as many submissions as they want.
But here http://imgur.com/a/C2APQ#0 , there are 19 submissions listed, allegedly the "narrowed down" list.
I;m not even going to get to the "narrowing down", of it.
In that list, 9 submissions are from 1 person, and that person is on the "Logo Committee".
That does not look bad to you?
A final list was chosen, by whoever chose them, it has 19 submissions, 9 of which, are from one committee member, there;s one more with two submissions there, and i did not bother looking up the rest.
What i am saying is very clear,
there should be one final submission by each participant.
Not 10 from 1 participant and 1 from another 10 participants so that we have 20 submissions.
20 submissions should be 20 different people. I dont see why anyone would disagree.
Also, Logo Committee members, should really not submit designs. What are they gonna do, vote for themselves and then convince everyone it was a clear vote?
And please, lets not make this personal.
April 06, 2014, 08:30:53 AM
TauMuon: Juzion owns 4 stakes, he said it. So he thinks, others can have even more - 10 stakes - so the number is 3000/10=300
No i have 2 stakes but i have read the refunding list thread ... and that´s are only the guys who make it stupid...
I´m only invested before in bitcoins since 2 years but not a trader, i´m a collector
I say it... we will see it if the coins are distributet to each account possible there are 500 Accounts...we will see.
At this moment i bought another 50000 Coin2 and for 2 days 200000 Nxt.
@ salasz next month i visit prag and than we can talk about it with 2 or 3 Staropramen
you have only 2 stakes. But you guess that an average stakeholder has 10. Seem contradictory to me? Care to explain why do you think so?
Everyone can buy 1 million bitcoin when it was less than 1 cent if that person is more than 10 year olds. But it does not mean an average 10 year old has 1 million bitcoin.
because I 've watched the entire registration phase . I've watched the refunding discussion . those are only small fish have been caught there.
What about the deposit at the beginning about dgex ... BTER ... vircurex that the people are but they were smart , the can not catch you .
Or the people without which they had to pay at the beginning of what I have just told you , the veteran member all have multiple accounts !
But me and that it's just what bothers me a Coin adorns itself as fair.
NEM is not fair, but it can be good!
And that is the reason why I follow NEM .
NEM can be something big without it must adorn themselves with fairly. You know how people will talk about it later and take the FAIR apart.
I have my 2 stakes but am only later joined because I 've been thinking if I want it at all.
I also did not Germany Coin chosen even if there is the FREE , I think it sucks.
I opt only for what I think it is useful. I take nothing free I 'll take it consciously .
I still did not see anything other than you are saying it is possible. It was possible to invest 2 BTC in Nxt and got 100 million Nxt from original distribution. It was possible to buy 1 million Bitcoin at some point too. I knew about Bitcoin in 2010 when I did a research about different form of currency. I had quite a big amount of saving back then too. By your logic, I would be a Bitcoin multi-millionaire by now. It was possible is different from what was actually being done. Maybe you want to put some more thought on this distinction before making any speculation.
The debate about fairness is such meaningless discussion that I don't intend to enter ever. What should be discussed are developers, innovations, and community. The spread of 3000 stakeholders first of all is about to build a strong and big community. We would be successful if we manage to do that.
April 06, 2014, 08:12:08 AM
I am not sure but it seems like M-Pesa was originally or still is backed by mobile prepaid airtime minutes. So the minutes acted as a gold standard for the M-Pesa units. People knew that at anytime they could just use the M-Pesa on their phones to buy airtime if they weren't going to spend it elsewhere.
M-Pesa is not backed by mobile minutes - for every KSH in M-Pesa there is a real KSH in the bank.
April 06, 2014, 08:02:47 AM
I'm impressed! This threat is full of interesting discussion and good spirit!
Our main strength: this community!!!
Our main strength: this community!!!
I've followed a few coins some as a miner, some as an investor, but NEM certainly appears to be different. UP has put together a strong team and has created a strong vision, allowing people to get behind the movement. The number and diversity of stakeholders and the way it has been done is very open and impressive. Finally the open audit and handling of complaints, queries, ideas has been very warm and professional.
KC
I recently read a very interesting post about somebody who spent sometime to study and analyse NXT. One interesting conclusion was that there were just under 1000 core NXT users. As very impressive as NXT is for its new tech, and it is very impressive (or will be when all those promises are delivered on). The community as a whole isn't backing it. The story behind NEM, has a lot more marketing strength. NEM on day one will already have a much larger user base than NXT and can quite possibly explode from there. NEM is literally the first time ever something like this has been done in the crypto cummunity. EVERY previous coin was dominated by large investors or early powerful miners. This may or may not be good for NEM, we will have to wait and see, but I am willing to try hard and see because I believe it is a better way. Bitcoin's story is "an experiment that turned out quite interesting and as time went on went from being a fluke to the real deal." NXT's story is "A guy made a really good code and 70 lucky friends and community members got in on it" (this isn't exactly true, but it will always be told like that). NEM has a chance to rewrite its own narrative. A group of thousands of people came together to create a new and better to deal with money, not just for themselves, but for everyone in the world.
I think there are not more of 300 NEM Users... the rest are sockpuppets! don´t make u unserious .... i do not like that everyone means there are thousands of NEM Stakeholers and all the people know it!
The stakeholder's list has 1,090 Bitcoin talk veteran accounts, how can you speculate that there are no more than 300 Nem stakeholders?
Then you have to consider that many of those veterans also tried to get other people that they know to join Nem, seeing it as a big opportunity, also consider this crypto guy with a large twitter following who mentioned the fund raising in his twitter account as well as those who mentioned it in Reddit and other major social media, and the people who browse the site but don't comment, but joined to get a stake.
Then you also have to consider the I think 200+ open slots, and the 20 page waiting list that's still growing, with the rules being much stricter and Utopianfuture focusing only on people who can significantly contribute to Nem.
300 stake holder just doesn't make sense, unless it's wishful thinking on your part.
300 is total bs. If someone wants to mock NEM for not being fair at least use som realistic numbers that don't make you look like a total moron that just talks without doing any research. kthxbey.
Exactly.
I think he probably realized that 300 is too low of a number after I told him that there are 1,090 Bitcointalk veteran stakeholders. So rather than somewhat admitting that he was off, he now rather argue that every member has four Bitcoinalk accounts. It's too much taking things out of thin air and saying them with authority. That's a personality flaw.
April 06, 2014, 07:56:14 AM
TauMuon: Juzion owns 4 stakes, he said it. So he thinks, others can have even more - 10 stakes - so the number is 3000/10=300
No i have 2 stakes but i have read the refunding list thread ... and that´s are only the guys who make it stupid...
I´m only invested before in bitcoins since 2 years but not a trader, i´m a collector
I say it... we will see it if the coins are distributet to each account possible there are 500 Accounts...we will see.
At this moment i bought another 50000 Coin2 and for 2 days 200000 Nxt.
@ salasz next month i visit prag and than we can talk about it with 2 or 3 Staropramen
you have only 2 stakes. But you guess that an average stakeholder has 10. Seem contradictory to me? Care to explain why do you think so?
Everyone can buy 1 million bitcoin when it was less than 1 cent if that person is more than 10 year olds. But it does not mean an average 10 year old has 1 million bitcoin.
because I 've watched the entire registration phase . I've watched the refunding discussion . those are only small fish have been caught there.
What about the deposit at the beginning about dgex ... BTER ... vircurex that the people are but they were smart , the can not catch you .
Or the people without which they had to pay at the beginning of what I have just told you , the veteran member all have multiple accounts !
But me and that it's just what bothers me a Coin adorns itself as fair.
NEM is not fair, but it can be good!
And that is the reason why I follow NEM .
NEM can be something big without it must adorn themselves with fairly. You know how people will talk about it later and take the FAIR apart.
I have my 2 stakes but am only later joined because I 've been thinking if I want it at all.
I also did not Germany Coin chosen even if there is the FREE , I think it sucks.
I opt only for what I think it is useful. I take nothing free I 'll take it consciously .
I still did not see anything other than you are saying it is possible. It was possible to invest 2 BTC in Nxt and got 100 million Nxt from original distribution. It was possible to buy 1 million Bitcoin at some point too. I knew about Bitcoin in 2010 when I did a research about different form of currency. I had quite a big amount of saving back then too. By your logic, I would be a Bitcoin multi-millionaire by now. It was possible is different from what was actually being done. Maybe you want to put some more thought on this distinction before making any speculation.
The debate about fairness is such meaningless discussion that I don't intend to enter ever. What should be discussed are developers, innovations, and community. The spread of 3000 stakeholders first of all is about to build a strong and big community. We would be successful if we manage to do that.
April 06, 2014, 07:53:26 AM
@Salsacz; The more you are bitching about NEM here, the more people here will believe that NXT has failed or is afraid of NEM.
If you are doing nothing here to promote NEM you are no different than Emule @NXT.
We are on the same boat here. You are looking for evangelists, try to be one for yourself once.
Investigate how NEM is doing his work and learn from it to do it better for example.
I'm saying this because I care about both NXT and NEM
And don't worry about people here trolling NXT. They don't know what they're sayin'.
If you are doing nothing here to promote NEM you are no different than Emule @NXT.
We are on the same boat here. You are looking for evangelists, try to be one for yourself once.
Investigate how NEM is doing his work and learn from it to do it better for example.
I'm saying this because I care about both NXT and NEM
And don't worry about people here trolling NXT. They don't know what they're sayin'.
April 06, 2014, 07:48:06 AM
There's no doubt then NEM will need a mobile platform at some point i just think we're not there yet and right now we need to focus on geting NEM to that point.
Hahaha, so true. At first we need a real NEM! That does involve many thing before mobile can be made. Even though I can't read code, I believe the developers are really working hard though.
April 06, 2014, 07:34:21 AM
TauMuon: Juzion owns 4 stakes, he said it. So he thinks, others can have even more - 10 stakes - so the number is 3000/10=300
No i have 2 stakes but i have read the refunding list thread ... and that´s are only the guys who make it stupid...
I´m only invested before in bitcoins since 2 years but not a trader, i´m a collector
I say it... we will see it if the coins are distributet to each account possible there are 500 Accounts...we will see.
At this moment i bought another 50000 Coin2 and for 2 days 200000 Nxt.
@ salasz next month i visit prag and than we can talk about it with 2 or 3 Staropramen
you have only 2 stakes. But you guess that an average stakeholder has 10. Seem contradictory to me? Care to explain why do you think so?
Everyone can buy 1 million bitcoin when it was less than 1 cent if that person is more than 10 year olds. But it does not mean an average 10 year old has 1 million bitcoin.
because I 've watched the entire registration phase . I've watched the refunding discussion . those are only small fish have been caught there.
What about the deposit at the beginning about dgex ... BTER ... vircurex that the people are but they were smart , the can not catch you .
Or the people without which they had to pay at the beginning of what I have just told you , the veteran member all have multiple accounts !
But me and that it's just what bothers me a Coin adorns itself as fair.
NEM is not fair, but it can be good!
And that is the reason why I follow NEM .
NEM can be something big without it must adorn themselves with fairly. You know how people will talk about it later and take the FAIR apart.
I have my 2 stakes but am only later joined because I 've been thinking if I want it at all.
I also did not Germany Coin chosen even if there is the FREE , I think it sucks.
I opt only for what I think it is useful. I take nothing free I 'll take it consciously .
April 06, 2014, 07:27:51 AM
I know I am a little late to reply here, but I want to go back and clear what I was saying about NEM needing a mobile platform. I really do believe mobile will be the future of computers and finance. I think it will be the "primary" device of the normal person, but not the only one. For sure desktops and notebooks and servers and supercomputers will of course still exist.
After reading more about M-Pesa for a different post, I think that this helps to prove the point. Here is the chart of M-Pesa verses bitcoin. Both are digital platforms for transferring money.
This chart clearly shows what it means to be adapted. M-Pesa is winning, bitcoin simply isn't. At this rate, who knows how long before bitcoin "goes to the moon".
Bitcoin just isn't cutting it, and I am guessing won't ever get the job done. It is too slow and too difficult to use. M-Pesa is as simple as sending a text. Banking on the go. I would really love to see NEM be as easy as M-Pesa at transferring money. That is part of the reason why I am willing to give part of my stake as a bounty for a mobile app developer. I believe in it that much.
I think the most important thing in NEM's long term future is getting businesses to accept it and people to spend it. If the community agrees that is important, it seems like some things need to be met first. Excellent and easy to use clients, an exchange of fiat to NEM, and trust in NEM.
I am not sure but it seems like M-Pesa was originally or still is backed by mobile prepaid airtime minutes. So the minutes acted as a gold standard for the M-Pesa units. People knew that at anytime they could just use the M-Pesa on their phones to buy airtime if they weren't going to spend it elsewhere. Those rates were locked in. Right now bitcoin is backed by USD or RMB or EUR, but it doesn't have to be limited to that. And unfortunately (or fortunately) bitcoin isn't locked in into anything and that makes investors weary. This is why having an exchange is soooooo important at the start. (something like a Bitpay/Coinbase combo) Anyway, I think I am rambling now. Just some thoughts to think on.
After reading more about M-Pesa for a different post, I think that this helps to prove the point. Here is the chart of M-Pesa verses bitcoin. Both are digital platforms for transferring money.
This chart clearly shows what it means to be adapted. M-Pesa is winning, bitcoin simply isn't. At this rate, who knows how long before bitcoin "goes to the moon".
Bitcoin just isn't cutting it, and I am guessing won't ever get the job done. It is too slow and too difficult to use. M-Pesa is as simple as sending a text. Banking on the go. I would really love to see NEM be as easy as M-Pesa at transferring money. That is part of the reason why I am willing to give part of my stake as a bounty for a mobile app developer. I believe in it that much.
I think the most important thing in NEM's long term future is getting businesses to accept it and people to spend it. If the community agrees that is important, it seems like some things need to be met first. Excellent and easy to use clients, an exchange of fiat to NEM, and trust in NEM.
I am not sure but it seems like M-Pesa was originally or still is backed by mobile prepaid airtime minutes. So the minutes acted as a gold standard for the M-Pesa units. People knew that at anytime they could just use the M-Pesa on their phones to buy airtime if they weren't going to spend it elsewhere. Those rates were locked in. Right now bitcoin is backed by USD or RMB or EUR, but it doesn't have to be limited to that. And unfortunately (or fortunately) bitcoin isn't locked in into anything and that makes investors weary. This is why having an exchange is soooooo important at the start. (something like a Bitpay/Coinbase combo) Anyway, I think I am rambling now. Just some thoughts to think on.
There's no doubt then NEM will need a mobile platform at some point i just think we're not there yet and right now we need to focus on geting NEM to that point.
April 06, 2014, 07:24:52 AM
I know I am a little late to reply here, but I want to go back and clear what I was saying about NEM needing a mobile platform. I really do believe mobile will be the future of computers and finance. I think it will be the "primary" device of the normal person, but not the only one. For sure desktops and notebooks and servers and supercomputers will of course still exist.
After reading more about M-Pesa for a different post, I think that this helps to prove the point. Here is the chart of M-Pesa verses bitcoin. Both are digital platforms for transferring money.
This chart clearly shows what it means to be adapted. M-Pesa is winning, bitcoin simply isn't. At this rate, who knows how long before bitcoin "goes to the moon".
Bitcoin just isn't cutting it, and I am guessing won't ever get the job done. It is too slow and too difficult to use. M-Pesa is as simple as sending a text. Banking on the go. I would really love to see NEM be as easy as M-Pesa at transferring money. That is part of the reason why I am willing to give part of my stake as a bounty for a mobile app developer. I believe in it that much.
I think the most important thing in NEM's long term future is getting businesses to accept it and people to spend it. If the community agrees that is important, it seems like some things need to be met first. Excellent and easy to use clients, an exchange of fiat to NEM, and trust in NEM.
I am not sure but it seems like M-Pesa was originally or still is backed by mobile prepaid airtime minutes. So the minutes acted as a gold standard for the M-Pesa units. People knew that at anytime they could just use the M-Pesa on their phones to buy airtime if they weren't going to spend it elsewhere. Those rates were locked in. Right now bitcoin is backed by USD or RMB or EUR, but it doesn't have to be limited to that. And unfortunately (or fortunately) bitcoin isn't locked in into anything and that makes investors weary. This is why having an exchange is soooooo important at the start. (something like a Bitpay/Coinbase combo) Anyway, I think I am rambling now. Just some thoughts to think on.
After reading more about M-Pesa for a different post, I think that this helps to prove the point. Here is the chart of M-Pesa verses bitcoin. Both are digital platforms for transferring money.
This chart clearly shows what it means to be adapted. M-Pesa is winning, bitcoin simply isn't. At this rate, who knows how long before bitcoin "goes to the moon".
Bitcoin just isn't cutting it, and I am guessing won't ever get the job done. It is too slow and too difficult to use. M-Pesa is as simple as sending a text. Banking on the go. I would really love to see NEM be as easy as M-Pesa at transferring money. That is part of the reason why I am willing to give part of my stake as a bounty for a mobile app developer. I believe in it that much.
I think the most important thing in NEM's long term future is getting businesses to accept it and people to spend it. If the community agrees that is important, it seems like some things need to be met first. Excellent and easy to use clients, an exchange of fiat to NEM, and trust in NEM.
I am not sure but it seems like M-Pesa was originally or still is backed by mobile prepaid airtime minutes. So the minutes acted as a gold standard for the M-Pesa units. People knew that at anytime they could just use the M-Pesa on their phones to buy airtime if they weren't going to spend it elsewhere. Those rates were locked in. Right now bitcoin is backed by USD or RMB or EUR, but it doesn't have to be limited to that. And unfortunately (or fortunately) bitcoin isn't locked in into anything and that makes investors weary. This is why having an exchange is soooooo important at the start. (something like a Bitpay/Coinbase combo) Anyway, I think I am rambling now. Just some thoughts to think on.
Serious agree,Mobile Internet is the future trend,It soon turned into a boom.
April 06, 2014, 07:24:19 AM
Since you have so much to say about NEM distribution. I have a suggestion for you about Nxt distribution. Correct Nxt wiki. It said Nxt has 73 founders which is totally bullshit. There was 73 accounts sending money to BCnext. Some people sent multiple times. Nxt original founders was probably less than 20 people.
I have often wondered about that. And how many of them helped write the code in the first place or how many of them were friends of BCnext. All in all, I think it was an honest guy and I really like his vision. BCnext kind of reminds me of a hippy Satoshi in a way. But really there is just no way to be sure about the original distribution, or how many trades were stakeholders to stakeholders to build up volume. With NEM, surely some sockpuppets will slip by, but I think it is safe to say that the original distribution pool will be quite spread out.
April 06, 2014, 07:20:59 AM
TauMuon: Juzion owns 4 stakes, he said it. So he thinks, others can have even more - 10 stakes - so the number is 3000/10=300
No i have 2 stakes but i have read the refunding list thread ... and that´s are only the guys who make it stupid...
I´m only invested before in bitcoins since 2 years but not a trader, i´m a collector
I say it... we will see it if the coins are distributet to each account possible there are 500 Accounts...we will see.
At this moment i bought another 50000 Coin2 and for 2 days 200000 Nxt.
@ salasz next month i visit prag and than we can talk about it with 2 or 3 Staropramen
you have only 2 stakes. But you guess that an average stakeholder has 10. Seem contradictory to me? Care to explain why do you think so?
Everyone can buy 1 million bitcoin when it was less than 1 cent if that person is more than 10 year olds. But it does not mean an average 10 year old has 1 million bitcoin.
April 06, 2014, 07:18:20 AM
TauMuon: Juzion owns 4 stakes, he said it. So he thinks, others can have even more - 10 stakes - so the number is 3000/10=300
Since you have so much to say about NEM distribution. I have a suggestion for you about Nxt distribution. Correct Nxt wiki. It said Nxt has 73 founders which is totally bullshit. There was 73 accounts sending money to BCnext. Some people sent multiple times. Nxt original founders was probably less than 20 people.
that´s right but i know people ( 2 ) they have invest 1 dollar for 300000 coins. but the most use multiple accounts that are the very big stakeholders and only 2-3 have cashed out 1/2 of her stake.
Notice: It´s a high risk to invest in Nxt the stakeholder make the price look at the day volume the only reason why nxt is in the top 10 is that the big stakeholders make the price stabil but i also invest yesterday more than 15 BTC to Nxt .. the only reson is the asset exchange.
April 06, 2014, 07:13:16 AM
TauMuon: Juzion owns 4 stakes, he said it. So he thinks, others can have even more - 10 stakes - so the number is 3000/10=300
Since you have so much to say about NEM distribution. I have a suggestion for you about Nxt distribution. Correct Nxt wiki. It said Nxt has 73 founders which is totally bullshit. There was 73 accounts sending money to BCnext. Some people sent multiple times. Nxt original founders was probably less than 20 people.
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