Pages:
Author

Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 25. (Read 661498 times)

hero member
Activity: 739
Merit: 500
Sounds like you're already doing it ^ lol
yep. Well, some. Had one originally, bought 2 more, one more max at around 14000.
newbie
Activity: 30
Merit: 0
Sounds like you're already doing it ^ lol
hero member
Activity: 739
Merit: 500
Some people on the asset exchange have upwards of 12 stakes.  I saw multiple accounts with over 10 just scanning through. Some big holders are beginning to form.

This is to be expected on the NXT AE, but I think it's only possible to claim 2 stakes once NEM is officially launched to avoid such hoarding.

Can someone who's more well informed verify that this is in fact the case.  Thanks in advance and dev's keep up the great work!

I recall seeing that to, and also wondered what the fate of such accounts would be and reasoned one of two things:

1) They will need to dump down to two and the days leading up to cashing in there will be a glut and a price drop (don't expect this as #2)
2) They will shuffle the counts around in 2 pair chunks to other accounts.

Are we doing taint analysis? This isn't necessarily against the rules is it? You'd need to do the same analysis on the stake holder sheet.

It's pretty pointless to even try to enforce the 2 stake rule, or even having it.
If only 2 stakes per account is allowed, people will simply transfer assets to another account before cashing it in.
If this is monitored, and forbidden, people will transfer nxt to another account and buy from different accounts. If Nxt movement is checked to prevent this, people will fund Nxt accounts from exchange, and use those to buy stakes.

The 2 stakes rule is incredibly easy to game, and very hard and time consuming (impossible actually) to enforce, therefore, pointless.
full member
Activity: 180
Merit: 100
Some people on the asset exchange have upwards of 12 stakes.  I saw multiple accounts with over 10 just scanning through. Some big holders are beginning to form.

This is to be expected on the NXT AE, but I think it's only possible to claim 2 stakes once NEM is officially launched to avoid such hoarding.

Can someone who's more well informed verify that this is in fact the case.  Thanks in advance and dev's keep up the great work!

I recall seeing that too, and also wondered what the fate of such accounts would be and reasoned one of two things:

1) They will need to dump down to two and the days leading up to cashing in there will be a glut and a price drop (don't expect this as #2)
2) They will shuffle the stakes around in 2 pair chunks to other accounts.

Are we doing taint analysis? This isn't necessarily against the rules is it? You'd need to do the same analysis as the stake holder sheet.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 506
someone is seriously manipulating the nem market! hes forcing the price down to accumulate more stakes as i speak! noobs.. stop falling for it!  Cheesy

There's going to be manipulation in a market as small as the NEMstake asset. Just gotta accept it.

That is the pareto principle in practice - the 80 / 20 distribution.  A lot of people right now think $1500 is huge amount of money for doing very little (beyond sending a small amount of BTC / NxT back in February), so they are glad to give it up for a few bucks.  Even though a stake could be worth $10K within a month of launch or millions years from now.

  I'm inclined to believe that crypto currencies will someday be $1 trillion, as investment gold is currently worth $2 trillion, global remittance (e.g. Flippinos / Mexican in America sending money home) is $500 billion, and Crypto Currencies tend to combine characteristics of gold and remittance.  World tourism revenues are over $1 trillion.    There's also $20 trillion in retirement funds around the world but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

 Most people tend to opt for the instant easy money versus the patience in waiting
member
Activity: 81
Merit: 10
finally open alpha is coming !  Grin
full member
Activity: 157
Merit: 100
The Open Alpha is scheduled on 6/25. Let's the countdown begin. We will be inviting selective users into the closed Alpha testing starting in a couple of days. The priority goes to helpers/ volunteers who are in the Trello board or answer the volunteer survey earlier so there is no need to sign up now. Thanks.

On behalf of the NEM dev. team.

Good news Cheesy
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
NEM Enthusiast
someone is seriously manipulating the nem market! hes forcing the price down to accumulate more stakes as i speak! noobs.. stop falling for it!  Cheesy

There's going to be manipulation in a market as small as the NEMstake asset. Just gotta accept it.
hero member
Activity: 497
Merit: 501
why the coin is so expensive?

Your answer can be found on the first page.

- Fair distribution (call for participation) with 3000 stakeholders
- Proof of intent (distinct form proof of work and proof of stake)
- Large, skilled, development team.  Gimre and Jagaur were contributors to NxT.  The other developers had roles in other successful coins.



POI = Proof-of-Importance (not intent; this is not mineable)

I've heard proof of Interest mentioned before. I must admit, i prefer Proof Of Interest over Proof Of Importance. Seems to fit the community spirit NEM is trying to cultivate. Even moreso when you consider it's egalitarian principles -- "Importance" kinda doesn't fit that message, yet anyone who invests more time and energy (Interest) in supporting the infrastructure (and said principles), deserves to be rewarded.

So, in a nutshell, i think it should be referred to as Proof of Interest, not Importance Wink


Which reminds me, i need to read up more about how to run nodes as it is something i will be happy to participate in once the ball (coin) gets rolling.

dont talk to much shit,   it is and called all the time  "Proof of Importance" , and it is infact a real good choice to call it like that. So dont come on with your fantasy choice. Proof of Impotance sounds it is important and infact it is the best choice to explain the mechanism of NEM.  


Sorry, i didn't know you felt so strongly on the issue.

I'm not too concerned either way, just stating what i thought was obvious -- it's hardly a fantasy, more of an observation.


Also, you're one letter off calling it Proof of Impotence there, we don't want that.

member
Activity: 86
Merit: 10
why the coin is so expensive?

Your answer can be found on the first page.

- Fair distribution (call for participation) with 3000 stakeholders
- Proof of intent (distinct form proof of work and proof of stake)
- Large, skilled, development team.  Gimre and Jagaur were contributors to NxT.  The other developers had roles in other successful coins.



POI = Proof-of-Importance (not intent; this is not mineable)

I've heard proof of Interest mentioned before. I must admit, i prefer Proof Of Interest over Proof Of Importance. Seems to fit the community spirit NEM is trying to cultivate. Even moreso when you consider it's egalitarian principles -- "Importance" kinda doesn't fit that message, yet anyone who invests more time and energy (Interest) in supporting the infrastructure (and said principles), deserves to be rewarded.

So, in a nutshell, i think it should be referred to as Proof of Interest, not Importance Wink


Which reminds me, i need to read up more about how to run nodes as it is something i will be happy to participate in once the ball (coin) gets rolling.

dont talk to much shit,   it is and called all the time  "Proof of Importance" , and it is infact a real good choice to call it like that. So dont come on with your fantasy choice. Proof of Impotance sounds it is important and infact it is the best choice to explain the mechanism of NEM.  
hero member
Activity: 497
Merit: 501
why the coin is so expensive?

Your answer can be found on the first page.

- Fair distribution (call for participation) with 3000 stakeholders
- Proof of intent (distinct form proof of work and proof of stake)
- Large, skilled, development team.  Gimre and Jagaur were contributors to NxT.  The other developers had roles in other successful coins.



POI = Proof-of-Importance (not intent; this is not mineable)

I've heard proof of Interest mentioned before. I must admit, i prefer Proof Of Interest over Proof Of Importance. Seems to fit the community spirit NEM is trying to cultivate. Even moreso when you consider it's egalitarian principles -- "Importance" kinda doesn't fit that message, yet anyone who invests more time and energy (Interest) in supporting the infrastructure (and said principles), deserves to be rewarded.

So, in a nutshell, i think it should be referred to as Proof of Interest, not Importance Wink


Which reminds me, i need to read up more about how to run nodes as it is something i will be happy to participate in once the ball (coin) gets rolling.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1000
I am not Dorian Nakamoto.
why the coin is so expensive?

Your answer can be found on the first page.

- Fair distribution (call for participation) with 3000 stakeholders
- Proof of intent (distinct form proof of work and proof of stake)
- Large, skilled, development team.  Gimre and Jagaur were contributors to NxT.  The other developers had roles in other successful coins.



POI = Proof-of-Importance (not intent; this is not mineable)
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1000
I am not Dorian Nakamoto.
I find it remarkable that NEM, compared to other coins, has essentially been free of FUD so far.


I havnt read so much FUD, most negatives are about distribution makes no difference compared to NXT, and about what benefits will there be that we dont already have.

Because there is no FUD on the MOON!
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1000
I am not Dorian Nakamoto.
Aye, thanks for the link.

NEM, in the meanwhile, has reached the Inner Sanctum of 2.0 development:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4888.0

Yey!

We made it Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 834
Merit: 524
Nxt NEM
The Open Alpha is scheduled on 6/25. Let's the countdown begin. We will be inviting selective users into the closed Alpha testing starting in a couple of days. The priority goes to helpers/ volunteers who are in the Trello board or answer the volunteer survey earlier so there is no need to sign up now. Thanks.

On behalf of the NEM dev. team.



Will there be available some test scripts, which each volunteer could use to make much more transactions  and other operations?
That could make stress tests while not using manually the UI and the operations to test each feature.



hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 506
Some people on the asset exchange have upwards of 12 stakes.  I saw multiple accounts with over 10 just scanning through. Some big holders are beginning to form.

I almost guessed that happening  Undecided



i dont think it will effect nem that much.. if a whale wants a large amount of a currency.. they will usually acquire it one way or another.. whether its buying up cheap now or manipulation of the market after launch.. so it makes no odds really.. lets just hope these are the type of whales to put up bounties and give donations and fund conferences ect..

I agree, it is normal in the development of a currency... some of these large holders may even benefit the currency like you said. There were probably a couple stakeholders with 10+ sockpuppets never caught too, so I am guessing there are currently around 20 people with over 10 stakes each. I am guessing that out of these 20 one or two may have over 20 stakes. Then the devs may get around 40 stakes (not sure). However this still seems to be a great distribution with little manipulation.

-EFFV

There were few who said that they have 40 - 60+ stakes. Provocation/trolling maybe, coz they did not want to prove or sell.


I was regularly reading the threads and you were referring to maybe only two people, and their stories were skeptical.  There was that one guy who claimed to be from Ukraine (probably didn't know the country existed until Euro Maidan) and claimed to had sold stakes for $5K a piece (  Cheesy ), it later became clear that one story was definitely provocation and trolling


Probably the most hilarious story with NEM (although the guy was forced to refund his stakes), was the guy who (after taint analysis) said he was claiming stakes for his Grandmother and Infant children..  Grin  

yea... many stories, but we can not know, which of them were true  Smiley


It was a call for participation and we don't need the technologically illiterate.  There is no strict requirement that someone is active on Bitcointalk or social media.  That being said, there could be an implied assumption that NEM stakeholders will engage in offline P2P advertisement.  In that scenario, an infant or a technologically illiterate grandmother isn't of any use to NEM as they couldn't possibly explain to someone how to download & use a wallet.
hero member
Activity: 834
Merit: 524
Nxt NEM
Some people on the asset exchange have upwards of 12 stakes.  I saw multiple accounts with over 10 just scanning through. Some big holders are beginning to form.

I almost guessed that happening  Undecided



i dont think it will effect nem that much.. if a whale wants a large amount of a currency.. they will usually acquire it one way or another.. whether its buying up cheap now or manipulation of the market after launch.. so it makes no odds really.. lets just hope these are the type of whales to put up bounties and give donations and fund conferences ect..

I agree, it is normal in the development of a currency... some of these large holders may even benefit the currency like you said. There were probably a couple stakeholders with 10+ sockpuppets never caught too, so I am guessing there are currently around 20 people with over 10 stakes each. I am guessing that out of these 20 one or two may have over 20 stakes. Then the devs may get around 40 stakes (not sure). However this still seems to be a great distribution with little manipulation.

-EFFV

There were few who said that they have 40 - 60+ stakes. Provocation/trolling maybe, coz they did not want to prove or sell.


I was regularly reading the threads and you were referring to maybe only two people, and their stories were skeptical.  There was that one guy who claimed to be from Ukraine (probably didn't know the country existed until Euro Maidan) and claimed to had sold stakes for $5K a piece (  Cheesy ), it later became clear that one story was definitely provocation and trolling


Probably the most hilarious story with NEM (although the guy was forced to refund his stakes), was the guy who (after taint analysis) said he was claiming stakes for his Grandmother and Infant children..  Grin  

yea... many stories, but we can not know, which of them were true  Smiley
hero member
Activity: 834
Merit: 524
Nxt NEM
Some people on the asset exchange have upwards of 12 stakes.  I saw multiple accounts with over 10 just scanning through. Some big holders are beginning to form.

I almost guessed that happening  Undecided



i dont think it will effect nem that much.. if a whale wants a large amount of a currency.. they will usually acquire it one way or another.. whether its buying up cheap now or manipulation of the market after launch.. so it makes no odds really.. lets just hope these are the type of whales to put up bounties and give donations and fund conferences ect..

I agree, it is normal in the development of a currency... some of these large holders may even benefit the currency like you said. There were probably a couple stakeholders with 10+ sockpuppets never caught too, so I am guessing there are currently around 20 people with over 10 stakes each. I am guessing that out of these 20 one or two may have over 20 stakes. Then the devs may get around 40 stakes (not sure). However this still seems to be a great distribution with little manipulation.

-EFFV

There were few who said that they have 40 - 60+ stakes. Provocation/trolling maybe, coz they did not want to prove or sell.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 506
I am classified as an early NxT adopter, by the NxT crew, and yet the capitalization has yet to recover to what it was back in late January when it hit $100 million.  

The FUD with the distribution, quality of source code and the emerging discussion of NxT descendents is arguably what did NxT in.

I know NxT emphasizes the rhetorical 'technological innovation' argument but it's a weak argument.   There is nothing proprietary (nothing can be patented) in the crypto world.  Most of NxT's best features are currently being copied into other coins as we speak.  Without the innovative features what is NxT stuck with?  The poor distribution?  The accompanied hostile whales who engage in price manipulation? 

The reality of cryptos is best symbolized by Doge - it was a stupid meme of a dog and yet it was worth more (at one time) than NxT and Mastercoin.  Bitcoin is arguably no different, hundreds of coins have come about claiming to be superior and yet innovation hasn't come anywhere close to dethroning Bitcoin.

Much like real world $Fiat - it seems like community is more important than anything else.  The $USD is a good example in a way, it still uses green paper money while there are countries in Africa which have already adopted polymer bills, but the US is technically the dominant currency in the world due to use as the petrodollar around the world.

legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1000
I am not Dorian Nakamoto.
There are so many coins out there. different algortithms and different features.
Hard to decide whether to invest 50% NXT and 50% NEM or 40% NXT 60% NEM.
Its so hard.  Cool

100% NEM Cheesy
Pages:
Jump to: