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Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 427. (Read 661525 times)

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whatever model we choose - I suggest we try to run it on top of NXT via AM; this architecture is BCNext's actual goal for NXT. CfB has stated he would consult for free for someone attempting this

Cfb should join (help) NEM since he is one of the early stakeholder (check the list). But NEM would not restrict itself to be a NXT's AM (arbitrary message).
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I can't get used to naka....the more often I hear it the more it appauls me...
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Nakamoto is a bit long, I will admit, but it is only 1 syllable more than satoshi.
Naka could work as well. This would just be 中. This is also the short country name of China (中国). 中 could be the currency symbol. It is already in unicode...

新 means "new" and is pronounced the same in Chinese and Japanese (xin/shin). That character is also in unicode!!

I like Naka so while we pay a homeage to Satoshi Nakamoto it is somewhat different from bitcoin's naming tradition. We could have the currency symbol at the same time. One stone kills two birds.

So 1 NEM= 1 bitcoin; 1 naka= 1satoshi.

I like naka too.  Satoshi is too long a name for common use and is also too small a value to have any practical relevance (1 BTC = 100,000,000 satoshis) but 1 NEM SHOULD NOT = 100,000,000 naka.  It is very important to have a unit that has a useful value that is not too high so you are using a bunch of decimals but is not so low like a satoshi. 1 NEM = 1000 naka?

I also support Naka. And I agree that it should not be the name for the smallest subunit but rather the everyday unit.

So let's say if 1% of the world population uses NEM, there should be on average around 100,000 Naka for each person. (Maybe someone can think of a better metric?)

Now, if there are 4 billion coins and 1 NEM = 1000 Naka, there are 57,000 Naka for everyone in the 1%. So I think this works.
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Make it easy,

Whats about 1NEM = 1000 Nembit
                   1 Nembit = 1000 Nemos

It sounds good and its easy to remember.

( and no dont meant any fish with ))
 

I like Nembits. I don't like Nemos...that's just too associated with that fish.
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Make it easy,

Whats about 1NEM = 1000 Nembit
                   1 Nembit = 1000 Nemos

It sounds good and its easy to remember.

( and no dont meant any fish with ))
 
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whatever model we choose - I suggest we try to run it on top of NXT via AM; this architecture is BCNext's actual goal for NXT. CfB has stated he would consult for free for someone attempting this

AM ?
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whatever model we choose - I suggest we try to run it on top of NXT via AM; this architecture is BCNext's actual goal for NXT. CfB has stated he would consult for free for someone attempting this
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Question - is there any feasible way to simplify a digital currency, in terms of the number of decimal places that it is calculated to?

One of the larger issues that I see regarding the possibility of mainstream adoption of any digital currency is the fact that it's too complex. I don't think the average person wants to keep track of their currency to so many decimal places. "I own 103.01933485 NEM" sounds very complicated. "I own 103.01 NEM" is much more palatable, I think.

Maybe I'm way off - just a newcomer's perspective though.


The position of the decimal point is of course completely arbitrary. One way to counter this issue is to introduce subdivisions (as is currently being discussed here). So, 103.01933485 NEM -> 103019334.85 µNEM (with mabye a nice name for µNEM).

The other way to get rid of too many decimal places is to issue more coins and thus avoiding the need of divisibility.

(The core issue here is that the value of NEM will most likely vary extremely between the initial distribution and later times. DOGE, for example, took the approach of simply producing an extremely huge amount of coins. There are currently 50,000,000,000 DOGE and only 12,000,000 BTC. However, all those Dogecoin are only worth $62,000,000 whereas all Bitcoins are worth $8,000,000,000. So as 1 DOGE is only worth $0.0013, you won't have to deal so much with decimal places there because 1 DOGE already represents a sufficiently small amount of value.)
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When a new snapshot is confirmed by the blockchain, a special no-fee snapshot transaction will be sent to a special account. New clients can validate the most recent snapshot by using hash attached to the last transaction sent to the special account.
How could that work? 
To verify a block (and transaction) in this PoS model, you need the know the effective balance of all accounts at that point in time, which requires full blockchain.
The only alternative in this model is centralization, with pre-defined trusted party with the ability to verify later snapshots by generation of these snapshot transactions. 
Is NEM going to be centralized?

I could be wrong but I think that's what server nodes are for. If you look at the plan there are going to be server nodes and client nodes. Server nodes will afaik hold the full blockchain and could therefore be used to verify snapshots.
NEM sure as hell is not going to be centralized Smiley
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How about Kmoto jusk like Renmenbi.

1000 Kmoto= 1 NEM
1000 Moto =  1 Kmoto

I think moto sounds better than naka.
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A newbie here. I just wanna how NEM is different than NXT.

Besides, both seem to be similar xcpt on the fair distribution.
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When a new snapshot is confirmed by the blockchain, a special no-fee snapshot transaction will be sent to a special account. New clients can validate the most recent snapshot by using hash attached to the last transaction sent to the special account.
How could that work? 
To verify a block (and transaction) in this PoS model, you need the know the effective balance of all accounts at that point in time, which requires full blockchain.
The only alternative in this model is centralization, with pre-defined trusted party with the ability to verify later snapshots by generation of these snapshot transactions. 
Is NEM going to be centralized?
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A couple of things I think would be good for NEM to have on release:
  • A fully-functioning, user friendly client/wallet (intuitive and simple GUI).
  • Introductory guides on how to get hold of NEM for newcomers, in as simple terms as possible.

I think the lack of these two things with NXT's release has hindered it somewhat.

Also, just for clarification: is it acceptable to say that NEM has completely new code, or is that an incorrect statement to make? Just thinking about advertising buzzwords here.
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Question - is there any feasible way to simplify a digital currency, in terms of the number of decimal places that it is calculated to?

One of the larger issues that I see regarding the possibility of mainstream adoption of any digital currency is the fact that it's too complex. I don't think the average person wants to keep track of their currency to so many decimal places. "I own 103.01933485 NEM" sounds very complicated. "I own 103.01 NEM" is much more palatable, I think.

Maybe I'm way off - just a newcomer's perspective though.
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Thumbs up to the development team.  Grin  It's comforting to see some confirmation that this certainly can't be considered as an NXT clone. I am really excited and truly believe this can become huge!

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I'm putting up a forum in a couple hours using really high quality forum software, hopefully we can all mitigate there.
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I think its pretty cool to have a different name for mNEM.
something new always catches attention.
And its so commom with usual currency, but as Im aware no crypto has adopted it yet.

So why not?
1 NEM = 1000 Naka!

And why not another name for 1000 NEM?
3 is always better. Wink
3 somehow always stands for wholeness.

So why not?
1000 NEM = 1 ----
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How about Kmoto jusk like Renmenbi.

1000 Kmoto= 1 NEM
1000 Moto =  1 Kmoto
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I get the idea of paying tribute to Nakamoto, but to me, Naka or Nakamoto doesn't sound right when used in that context.

Not that I've come up with anything better yet, but if we're going to coin a term for smaller units of NEM, it should be a little "catchier".

That being said, I love the discussions in this thread! Keep it up, everyone!
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MNem sounds like baby talk Grin
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