Here's what I came up with for my logo submission. The equals symbol icon is 16x16 for data sites.
Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 436. (Read 661525 times)
February 07, 2014, 10:55:35 PM
Here's what I came up with for my logo submission. The equals symbol icon is 16x16 for data sites.
February 07, 2014, 09:48:18 PM
@The whole fraudster and multi account topic.
Koreem and I are already sweeping through the regsitration pages (Koreem has done way more I just started yestersay) and already found some multi-accs. I'm gessing utopian is also looking. The more the merrier so if you have time go ahead and check the blockchains.
If you do it remember that you have to check the history of an address as well. The multi accs I found were only discovered because I checked where the used addresses were funded from in the first place.
As I understand it the current plan is to collect all the intell until fundraising is over and then publicly discuss the cases and refund them if they have more than 10 stakes.
I myself believe that 10 is actually a lot and we should start at 5 but let's hear some thoughts.
Koreem and I are already sweeping through the regsitration pages (Koreem has done way more I just started yestersay) and already found some multi-accs. I'm gessing utopian is also looking. The more the merrier so if you have time go ahead and check the blockchains.
If you do it remember that you have to check the history of an address as well. The multi accs I found were only discovered because I checked where the used addresses were funded from in the first place.
As I understand it the current plan is to collect all the intell until fundraising is over and then publicly discuss the cases and refund them if they have more than 10 stakes.
I myself believe that 10 is actually a lot and we should start at 5 but let's hear some thoughts.
I would agree with starting at 5.
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Edit-> offtopic, on the complaints. It's too soon people, please
not trying to be mean or anything but,
people should read the very first post of the thread,
and then repeat that processrepeat that processrepeat that process for the registration threads.
They should read it outloud to themselves. They should make sure they understand & comprehend what they are reading.
And then they should wait. Until at least spring. Patience is a virtue.
February 07, 2014, 08:20:54 PM
I agree. Return this man his overpaid NXT.
Okie will do tomorrow.
February 07, 2014, 08:09:04 PM
I agree. Return this man his overpaid NXT.
February 07, 2014, 07:54:44 PM
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Hey Guys, I feel like a complete idiot I purchased a stake in NEM for 600 but later on I verified the transaction 14343293611098709683 to realize I had sent 6000!
Before sending I checked multiple times that I had all the details correct I can't comprehend what went wrong, only thing I can think of is some mishap between my remote connection to my computer running the client as I was having an issue with the connection and my input was slightly delayed.
utopianfuture informed me that I need to publish this for the community to hear as he doesn't have authority over the account to refund me.. ?
I guess if NXT had some kind of "are these details correct" before sending popup mistakes like this wouldn't happen, I guess maybe a future implementation.
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600 NXT sent
Transaction id: 14343293611098709683
NXT Acc: 12738925918510358212
Before sending I checked multiple times that I had all the details correct I can't comprehend what went wrong, only thing I can think of is some mishap between my remote connection to my computer running the client as I was having an issue with the connection and my input was slightly delayed.
utopianfuture informed me that I need to publish this for the community to hear as he doesn't have authority over the account to refund me.. ?
I guess if NXT had some kind of "are these details correct" before sending popup mistakes like this wouldn't happen, I guess maybe a future implementation.
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600 NXT sent
Transaction id: 14343293611098709683
NXT Acc: 12738925918510358212
Haha I can relate, I have accidentally sent an incorrect amount of NXT before to a third party account.
For the legitimacy of the project you should be able to have the 5400 returned... from whoever has this authority.
February 07, 2014, 07:21:39 PM
So you think it is ok for someone to gather 50k usd or whatever in donations and have absolutely 0 connection with anyone or any way at all to be accountable. I think you're looking too much from one side and not the other, but I'll drop it as this discussion serves no purpose.
So back on topic, what exactly will be made known to investors about the dev plans and what won't ?
are you afraid that this is like NEON?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ipo-annneon-neon-the-most-advanced-second-generation-currency-400356
February 07, 2014, 07:17:29 PM
Hey Guys, I feel like a complete idiot I purchased a stake in NEM for 600 but later on I verified the transaction 14343293611098709683 to realize I had sent 6000!
Before sending I checked multiple times that I had all the details correct I can't comprehend what went wrong, only thing I can think of is some mishap between my remote connection to my computer running the client as I was having an issue with the connection and my input was slightly delayed.
utopianfuture informed me that I need to publish this for the community to hear as he doesn't have authority over the account to refund me.. ?
I guess if NXT had some kind of "are these details correct" before sending popup mistakes like this wouldn't happen, I guess maybe a future implementation.
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600 NXT sent
Transaction id: 14343293611098709683
NXT Acc: 12738925918510358212
Before sending I checked multiple times that I had all the details correct I can't comprehend what went wrong, only thing I can think of is some mishap between my remote connection to my computer running the client as I was having an issue with the connection and my input was slightly delayed.
utopianfuture informed me that I need to publish this for the community to hear as he doesn't have authority over the account to refund me.. ?
I guess if NXT had some kind of "are these details correct" before sending popup mistakes like this wouldn't happen, I guess maybe a future implementation.
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600 NXT sent
Transaction id: 14343293611098709683
NXT Acc: 12738925918510358212
February 07, 2014, 06:32:58 PM
Let me know if you can be a core developer then you can have an access to the core development plan.
Are you saying, only core developers can have access to the core development plan?Is this not a community project by participants anymore?
Then please add me to the list and I can update the community on its progress.
I dont need the core development plan, just a plan would do.
If funding is never a factor, why do you keep increase the stake amount after each page?
Why cant we let the community decide the price after giving equal stakes for everyone?, lets say every memebr who is interested as you did for the first 20 pages.
So dont BS me on that.
Dear OP, crypto world is a very fast moving one and after three weeks of brain storming, you haven't got a single line of code, that too after collecting 40+BTC to date from participants,
its time to rethink
Eagerly waiting for the weekend updates.
At the moment the core developers are working on the first draft of the development plan. Once the draft is finished (ETA this weekend), I will post a link to it on this forum and open it up to comments and suggestions for a few days. After the plan is approved, we will start the development efforts in earnest.
February 07, 2014, 06:30:51 PM
@The whole fraudster and multi account topic.
Koreem and I are already sweeping through the regsitration pages (Koreem has done way more I just started yestersay) and already found some multi-accs. I'm gessing utopian is also looking. The more the merrier so if you have time go ahead and check the blockchains.
If you do it remember that you have to check the history of an address as well. The multi accs I found were only discovered because I checked where the used addresses were funded from in the first place.
As I understand it the current plan is to collect all the intell until fundraising is over and then publicly discuss the cases and refund them if they have more than 10 stakes.
I myself believe that 10 is actually a lot and we should start at 5 but let's hear some thoughts.
Koreem and I are already sweeping through the regsitration pages (Koreem has done way more I just started yestersay) and already found some multi-accs. I'm gessing utopian is also looking. The more the merrier so if you have time go ahead and check the blockchains.
If you do it remember that you have to check the history of an address as well. The multi accs I found were only discovered because I checked where the used addresses were funded from in the first place.
As I understand it the current plan is to collect all the intell until fundraising is over and then publicly discuss the cases and refund them if they have more than 10 stakes.
I myself believe that 10 is actually a lot and we should start at 5 but let's hear some thoughts.
I would agree with starting at 5.
February 07, 2014, 06:10:19 PM
He is not kicked out because of he wants to see a development plan. There are no problem with asking questions, neither. He was kicked out because he hunted down my personal information in a public forum which could lead to a violation of my right to privacy.
You can do as much research as you want but at least keep the basic decency and respect other's people right to privacy.
You have put yourself in an unfortunate position of wanting to maintain your privacy while controlling a large amount of other people's money. It is 100% reasonable in the cryptocoin world to ask if anyone knows anyone else in person. Otherwise you could just easily walk off with the $. To deny these things is being very naive at best.
Not in a public forum under my eyes.
So you think it is ok for someone to gather 50k usd or whatever in donations and have absolutely 0 connection with anyone or any way at all to be accountable. I think you're looking too much from one side and not the other, but I'll drop it as this discussion serves no purpose.
So back on topic, what exactly will be made known to investors about the dev plans and what won't ?
February 07, 2014, 06:03:49 PM
He is not kicked out because of he wants to see a development plan. There are no problem with asking questions, neither. He was kicked out because he hunted down my personal information in a public forum which could lead to a violation of my right to privacy.
You can do as much research as you want but at least keep the basic decency and respect other's people right to privacy.
You have put yourself in an unfortunate position of wanting to maintain your privacy while controlling a large amount of other people's money. It is 100% reasonable in the cryptocoin world to ask if anyone knows anyone else in person. Otherwise you could just easily walk off with the $. To deny these things is being very naive at best.
Well it should be not in this thread under my eyes. After the fund raising money will be transfered to some kind of trustees/ multi-signature accounts. This is basically about trust. I have asked you to trust me before putting your money in. Disclaimers are there for a reason. If you can't do that then you don't need to be in here.
It goes against the first page social contract that you/ and that guy now demand me to let you know my personal information. We are not under any obligation of doing so.
Read the first page carefully before you demand me, Jaguar or any development team member of doing anything.
February 07, 2014, 06:01:46 PM
He is not kicked out because of he wants to see a development plan. There are no problem with asking questions, neither. He was kicked out because he hunted down my personal information in a public forum which could lead to a violation of my right to privacy.
You can do as much research as you want but at least keep the basic decency and respect other's people right to privacy.
You have put yourself in an unfortunate position of wanting to maintain your privacy while controlling a large amount of other people's money. It is 100% reasonable in the cryptocoin world to ask if anyone knows anyone else in person. Otherwise you could just easily walk off with the $. To deny these things is being very naive at best.
This talk of "basic decency" etc is a bit extreme. I didn't see anything he asked to be that ridiculous. He seemed wise to me. He is gone though. Oh well.
I found you on nextcoin.org or whatever, but your signup date there is the same as it is here it appears. Then I look at everyone on the forum and it appears they all have that date. So I guess I should have to dig further to get more of your history on some other forum... still not sure. I hope you are young and upcoming honest guy with motivation. Don't let us down.
February 07, 2014, 05:24:24 PM
Relax, this things is only a couple of weeks old, and you're acting as if you hired this team to do a personal project for you. You're yelling at them as if you're their boss and they're beneath you. Like I always say, be grateful for the opportunity that you know about a project that has potential. To me you sound worse than a person with multiple stakes.
Here I am grateful for this group, while here's a person that sound so arrogant. Don't know if you are and you just sound that way, but truly worse than someone with 10+ stakes. Unless that person also has a similar character.
I didn't think he was that arrogant. He asked basic questions. I too wonder why the development plan is only going to be seen by the development team ?
j23a, you are a bit naive. So many of things like this will be scams. He had a very good point, when you see increased fundraising (paying for ads) but no actual work, investor should be worried. He then asked for some level of reassurance while NEM gets money at an increased rate. He got a completely defensive and nasty response from a guy who is holding a lot of money.
He wasn't yelling or anything like that. He was looking out for the interests of NEM stakeholders by asking a few questions. They weren't even tough questions. He just wanted reassurances of some kind. *Basic* transparency.
I will google the names because apparently the research is easy.
Personally only reason I am thinking this isn't a scam is because attention put forth to catch multi-accounters. That doesn't seem like anything a scammer would do because it doesn't really benefit them.
However, after this kicking the guy out for asking to see development plan, I really am concerned.
I'm not being naive, I'm complaining about his attitude, the way he went about it. If this was something that he invested hundreds of dollars in and it had been over a month since the announcement would be one thing. But since it's not , he should be a little more respectful and considerate of the people working on something that can potentially benefit him greatly and stop acting like everybody should stop what they're doing because he's demanding. The process is laid out pretty clearly in the original post, and if somebody is not satisfied with it then they should not get involved because things are not the way they feel it should be.
February 07, 2014, 04:57:12 PM
I have written something to the german section this is a scam
Ach so.Du bist ja ein richtig Verräter, wenn du doch NEM teilnehmen . (40 NXT)
I'm not a traitor, you understood me wrong, the contribution would be fraud
sry for my bad english
February 07, 2014, 04:43:35 PM
Relax, this things is only a couple of weeks old, and you're acting as if you hired this team to do a personal project for you. You're yelling at them as if you're their boss and they're beneath you. Like I always say, be grateful for the opportunity that you know about a project that has potential. To me you sound worse than a person with multiple stakes.
Here I am grateful for this group, while here's a person that sound so arrogant. Don't know if you are and you just sound that way, but truly worse than someone with 10+ stakes. Unless that person also has a similar character.
I didn't think he was that arrogant. He asked basic questions. I too wonder why the development plan is only going to be seen by the development team ?
j23a, you are a bit naive. So many of things like this will be scams. He had a very good point, when you see increased fundraising (paying for ads) but no actual work, investor should be worried. He then asked for some level of reassurance while NEM gets money at an increased rate. He got a completely defensive and nasty response from a guy who is holding a lot of money.
He wasn't yelling or anything like that. He was looking out for the interests of NEM stakeholders by asking a few questions. They weren't even tough questions. He just wanted reassurances of some kind. *Basic* transparency.
I will google the names because apparently the research is easy.
Personally only reason I am thinking this isn't a scam is because attention put forth to catch multi-accounters. That doesn't seem like anything a scammer would do because it doesn't really benefit them.
However, after this kicking the guy out for asking to see development plan, I really am concerned.
He is not kicked out because of he wants to see a development plan. There are no problem with asking questions, neither. He was kicked out because he hunted down my personal information in a public forum which could lead to a violation of my right to privacy.
Who in the development team plans on remaining anonymous?
Who plan on revealing their identity?
February 07, 2014, 04:41:07 PM
Relax, this things is only a couple of weeks old, and you're acting as if you hired this team to do a personal project for you. You're yelling at them as if you're their boss and they're beneath you. Like I always say, be grateful for the opportunity that you know about a project that has potential. To me you sound worse than a person with multiple stakes.
Here I am grateful for this group, while here's a person that sound so arrogant. Don't know if you are and you just sound that way, but truly worse than someone with 10+ stakes. Unless that person also has a similar character.
I didn't think he was that arrogant. He asked basic questions. I too wonder why the development plan is only going to be seen by the development team ?
j23a, you are a bit naive. So many of things like this will be scams. He had a very good point, when you see increased fundraising (paying for ads) but no actual work, investor should be worried. He then asked for some level of reassurance while NEM gets money at an increased rate. He got a completely defensive and nasty response from a guy who is holding a lot of money.
He wasn't yelling or anything like that. He was looking out for the interests of NEM stakeholders by asking a few questions. They weren't even tough questions. He just wanted reassurances of some kind. *Basic* transparency.
I will google the names because apparently the research is easy.
Personally only reason I am thinking this isn't a scam is because attention put forth to catch multi-accounters. That doesn't seem like anything a scammer would do because it doesn't really benefit them.
However, after this kicking the guy out for asking to see development plan, I really am concerned.
He is not kicked out because of he wants to see a development plan. There are no problem with asking questions, neither. He was kicked out because he hunted down my personal information in a public forum which could lead to a violation of my right to privacy.
You can do as much research as you want but at least keep the basic decency and respect other's people right to privacy.
February 07, 2014, 04:35:20 PM
I have written something to the german section this is a scam
Ach so.Du bist ja ein richtig Verräter, wenn du doch NEM teilnehmest . (40 NXT)
February 07, 2014, 04:27:15 PM
just read, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=454001.0 funny guy 
WHAT A SCAMMER THERE
Dont send bitcoin to that guys address, I think this is the original post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.1080
Yes. damned. it is a new different page! outrage
February 07, 2014, 04:24:33 PM
I have written something to the german section this is a scam
February 07, 2014, 04:09:33 PM
Hi there funny guy!
can't you answer? Didn't you see from my post that I've read it. And if the answer is there , I didn't understood. Why can't you help? Instead you start making faces!
I don't know much about hash things. what I've tried is online sha.
For example if this hash is the one, which is generated from my bitcoin transfer
d4d99719944680d1487ec31df7eaad8a3a243a171b6853cb38da15a3f31c3f6a
Can someone has the same information as me and say that it is his transfer? Saying that the hash is ... what ?
By the way. that has is generated from these letters
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