Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 439. (Read 661525 times)

We have a concept of "parallel development". That means we do technical development parallel with fundraising and community building. Bitching about distribution seems like inevitable given the nature of proof of stake blockchain that all shares have to be given out at the beginning. But the core technical development team is shielded from this discussion and will deliver the works according to the plan. However given the nature of the new start-up, everyone should be patient because there are a lot of things to sort through at the beginning.

It is very clear in our pitch that "you should be patient and we have no new codes at this point". So no ETA of any kind at this point and you should know that before putting the money in. We won't need to justify to you or anyone either as in the disclaimer :

"
- No contractual promise is made to anyone.
- Be patient
"

Can we please stop this argument about multiple accounts.
I come here everyday to see the project updates and all I see is people bitching and mourning about multi accounts.

I want to see some ETAs, white paper, beta client etc. etc.
And no one seems to be interested in any of these.

Devs, you have gathered more than 40bitcoins by now and its time you give us some hard hitting timeline and future plans about NEM as responsible IPO creators.
You cant just discuss this multiple account thing on and on and on.

As OP has said multiple times, they are doing their best to minimise it and let it be.

Lets move on to the actual project now.
40 bit coins, and its time we get this thing moving....

So is there going to be a white paper for NEM?
Any ETA on a beta client?

Give us some screen shots of anything to justify the 40 bitcoin holding ,as you have been developing this thing for the last 3 weeks, at least right?
I am getting slightly concerned about the whole thing now.

Thanks

In the first 20 pages all most all accounts are unique veteran accounts. This project has not yet been taken seriously until we move to thread 2 when we gather some following (probably not even now since we still have no codes ).

No one attempts complicated trick to cover their trails if they make many accounts in the thread 1. It is a hassle to go though all these things while the fee is 2,4 nxt. So it is as accurate as it gets if the community want to find out big multi accouters and refund them.

The problem is ... there is a possibility that exchanges use the same address.  Then the guy could always just say it is from an exchange (even if it is not) and you would be none the wiser.

I'm not even sure exchanges always use the same addresses. If we're serious about this taint analysis it'll be a butload of work that may "catch" the wrong people. Not very motivating I have to say.

Go ahead.  The point is that the early existing sock puppets were able to get unlimited accounts with almost 0 effort in anything.  Yet we are selectively going after later guys, just because there is method for tracing them.  I'd say make all the people who paid nothing somehow verify themselves too.

Patmaster.  You need to determine what exchange addresses are.  You will continue running into them with your taint analysis.  I am not sure the best way to do this though.  Ideas ?  

I know if you trace NXT like this you're going to find a lot of funding from the 2-3 (?) exchanges that are the only source of NXT.

Hello

When will the Stackholder List be updatet? I can´t find my name

Sry for my bad english

thx

Anyone complaining that an account with > 5/10 stakes is being "persecuted" should immediately be investigated!

So to show you guys how serious the multiacc problem could be:

Someone as Strapp369 postet this on page 53 in thread 2: https://blockchain.info/tx/b173b2fdbb70360f4c486759ff8cf8f0126e212338c0c6d4c34d3505e2ad551f

Adress was funded by: 1LSUUKuKhjK7FCCaZhWogGFAfgWTef9fRR which you can see here: https://blockchain.info/de/address/1KvQu4tPuuEEWU8rNkn3YYjYV5tvV74CRJ You can also see that here happend another buy in.

The same adress has also funded: 1GZ5MBbAPmi2oinWH5VFEasjz8hzLgxzXV as seen here https://blockchain.info/de/address/1GZ5MBbAPmi2oinWH5VFEasjz8hzLgxzXV <-- also shows a second buy in.

 
1LSUUKuKhjK7FCCaZhWogGFAfgWTef9fRR was funded by 13aNtLcTrsopYPWWA1eGwn9qcKi2J5Bxjw which you can see here: https://blockchain.info/de/tx/51efab3e990ea8bea7c8e69e02d8ddeebb801541ef903be785164e01d8c1a4e7

That same adress has also funded numerous other addresses that where used to buy stakes as seen here (and more following the trail):

https://blockchain.info/de/address/13aNtLcTrsopYPWWA1eGwn9qcKi2J5Bxjw

which leads to these other hashes: http://pastebin.com/kiVPi2t2 (not complete because I'm out of time)

That means one of three things:

1) I'm reading those things wrong or missunderstood something (plz tell me if it's the case)

2) It's an exchange like btc-e or whatever that connects all these accounts

3) That dude has 50+ stakes.

If 3 is the case I think that needs action don't you ?

Yes, well said.  The first pages people had to do nothing.  Anyone who had multiple accounts could sign them all up and now they are not being questioned.  These are the guys who showed the least dedication.  They invested nothing so they care not if it fails.  Unfortunately some people are not able to read bitcointalk.org constantly so they had to invest money instead.

This place is pump and dump central.  There must had been lots of guys with multiple accounts ready to go.  So all the shady dudes who invested nothing but the labor for 1 login (to post) are able to have unlimited stakes at beginning.  This witchhunt will do little.  I think rules have been laid down and are adequate.  Anyone spending 4 hours just to make first post to then pay for stake seems fairly dedicated to me.  Yet we ignore guys who did nothing but post under their already existing multiaccounts.

I think if you guys found someone who had 50 stakes or something then yes you should refund stakes.  However I am not sure how you do this outside the rules.  It is either taint analysis or IP checking.   How far do you go with taint analysis ? Then you start accusing people.  Pretty much definition of a witchhunt.

Instead you could be productive.  Figure out how to make this coin succeed.  Make scammers work for their stakes, but just don't spend too much time going on about this.  

I hope you guys doing all this extra work get dev stakes.

Other as PANAMA0001,  another hustler more.

NXT to achieved stability, you can't deceive Us!

You'll have to buy expensive as many of us.

IMHO that's BS but who knows.

I think the big stake holders has finally undesrtood that NXT is going nowhere and is starting to dump their coins.
Its a good time for NEM to take the next step, with a big announcement/beta code release.

Come on devs, show us something, if anything is happening in the background.

You're absolutely right, who invested early, going against the last, without contributing anything to NEM.


It can create a war with that, sad.

NEM is given time to invest, that's a lot in money matters.

It is called a
market opportunity.
Buy now, that is cheap. Would you rather wait for .001 to double your stake?

We're not applying anything retroactively.

I agree that this thread should be focused on mechanics and stuff so let's drop the topic right here

Have we agreed on a balance between POS and PON yet ?
Has jaguar stated his opinion on this ?

I am not saying coding is related to the mult-accter.  Like the previous posts on P-O-N, I am saying we should focus instead on a healthy discussion on the mechanics of the coin so that the source code could be up soon.

Well, I don't see the fairness in applying rules retroactively to thread 2 stakes when these rules are impossible to check for thread 1 stakes.

If you want fairness, I suggest we start the registration all over again, and make sure everyone submits a valid ID and passport photo.  

The prople working on the code are focusing on coding - that's totally unrelated.
I think it's good to show that we are willing to put in some time and effort to make it as fair as possible. Of course it's never going to be a 100% fair but it'll be as fair as possible.

I think we are opening a can of worms here.  

If we are going to question everything, why not question the first 20 pages where you can just paste  interested and you get a stake.  How do we prove there is no multi accounter there?

Or how do we weed out the multi-accters in the thread 1 where you can just fund via the exchange?

In my view, what is happening here is we are doing selective persecution.  We are persecuting the late comers vs those early ones when it seems like free-for-all.

Is it because we are already in the thread 1, so we don't want as much people to come in and so, we are starting to persecute those that are in thread 2? (I am registered in thread 1, one of the early few)

Let us focus instead on getting the source code up!  Or our investment will all go to waste.  This is becoming a MOST ENVY MOVEMENT.

Just my two cents.

It's nice to see that even with the prices starting to become quite significant, there is still a high amount of interest!

Really looking forward to this release!