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Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 01:01:30 PM

Quote from: qgmurugan007 on February 07, 2014, 12:59:17 PM

Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 12:54:51 PM

It is rude to ask for personal information from anyone in a public forum.

I didnt ask some random person in the forum for personal information, but the IPO holder of my investment, that too via a PM.
May be you should check the legal requirements of an IPO holder.

Thanks.

This is not an IPO. It is a call to building a community. And you are no longer welcome. I exercise the right of the development team to change fundraising term in the disclaimer and refund you the money.

Dude... he was just asking some basic questions!

Not going to be critical of how you run your fund raising, but you should be a bit more tolerant of your investors.

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Quote from: qgmurugan007 on February 07, 2014, 12:59:17 PM

Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 12:54:51 PM

It is rude to ask for personal information from anyone in a public forum.

I didnt ask some random person in the forum for personal information, but the IPO holder of my investment, that too via a PM.
May be you should check the legal requirements of an IPO holder.

Thanks.

This is not an IPO. It is a call to building a community. And you are no longer welcome. I exercise the right of the development team to change fundraising term in the disclaimer and refund you the money.

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Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 12:54:51 PM

It is rude to ask for personal information from anyone in a public forum.

I didnt ask some random person in the forum for personal information, but the IPO holder of my investment, that too via a PM.
May be you should check the legal requirements of an IPO holder.

Thanks.

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Quote from: qgmurugan007 on February 07, 2014, 12:49:12 PM

Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 12:43:09 PM

Not angry. I am not sharing my personal info with a stranger. What I can do is to refund your investment from my personal account. Let me know if that's what you want.

OP, this question is not for you, I was asking the community about how many of us knows the real you.
As I said, I dont really want to know your personal details, as long as some trusted members in the community knows you, that'll do.

I dont want a single penny from your personal account mate, as I believe in money earned and not scammed.
So you can keep your money in your personal account itself.

Like anybody else in the forum, I am looking for answers on my investment.
So please come with solid answers, rather than cutting me loose.

Thanks

It is rude to ask for personal information from anyone in a public forum. You can do research if you want but this type of activity violating my right to privacy.

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Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 12:43:09 PM

Quote from: qgmurugan007 on February 07, 2014, 12:41:10 PM

As the OP's account is only 2 months old in this forum, here is the response I got from the OP.
I can understand he is angry with me as I asked some tough questions and he don't have to share it with me if he don't feel like.
But my question is how many of us really know this guy?

I am just trying to gather more details of my investment, as I am here to make money and not to lose.

Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 05:22:18 PM

I don't share with you.

UP

Quote from: qgmurugan007 on February 07, 2014, 04:47:34 PM

Hello OP,

If I remember correctly, you said many people know you, your real identity, your skype id etc... from nxt community.

I wasnt part of NXT community, and so I dont know anything about the real you.

Could you share some info about your identity please, just in case you know,
as I am getting more nervous about my investment after your replies in the discussion thread.

I am sure it wont be a problem as you are already a revealed identity.

Thanks.

Not angry. I am not sharing my personal info with a stranger. What I can do is to refund your investment from my personal account. Let me know if that's what you want.

BTW: refund is open today for everyone from my personal account. Just let me know below.

Will any members of the core team willing to reveal their identities?

Will you be anonymous like CfB and BCNext?

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Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 12:43:09 PM

Not angry. I am not sharing my personal info with a stranger. What I can do is to refund your investment from my personal account. Let me know if that's what you want.

OP, this question is not for you, I was asking the community about how many of us knows the real you.
As I said, I dont really want to know your personal details, as long as some trusted members in the community knows you, that'll do.

I dont want a single penny from your personal account mate, as I believe in money earned and not scammed.
So you can keep your money in your personal account itself.

Like anybody else in the forum, I am looking for answers on my investment.
So please come with solid answers, rather than cutting me loose.

Thanks

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Quote from: qgmurugan007 on February 07, 2014, 12:41:10 PM

As the OP's account is only 2 months old in this forum, here is the response I got from the OP.
I can understand he is angry with me as I asked some tough questions and he don't have to share it with me if he don't feel like.
But my question is how many of us really know this guy?

I am just trying to gather more details of my investment, as I am here to make money and not to lose.

Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 05:22:18 PM

I don't share with you.

UP

Quote from: qgmurugan007 on February 07, 2014, 04:47:34 PM

Hello OP,

If I remember correctly, you said many people know you, your real identity, your skype id etc... from nxt community.

I wasnt part of NXT community, and so I dont know anything about the real you.

Could you share some info about your identity please, just in case you know,
as I am getting more nervous about my investment after your replies in the discussion thread.

I am sure it wont be a problem as you are already a revealed identity.

Thanks.

Not angry. I am not sharing my personal info with a stranger. What I can do is to refund your investment from my personal account. Let me know if that's what you want.

BTW: refund is open today for everyone from my personal account. Just let me know below.

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As the OP's account is only 2 months old in this forum, here is the response I got from the OP.
I can understand he is angry with me as I asked some tough questions and he don't have to share it with me if he don't feel like.
But my question is how many of us really know this guy?

I am just trying to gather more details of my investment, as I am here to make money and not to lose.

Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 05:22:18 PM

I don't share with you.

UP

Quote from: qgmurugan007 on February 07, 2014, 04:47:34 PM

Hello OP,

If I remember correctly, you said many people know you, your real identity, your skype id etc... from nxt community.

I wasnt part of NXT community, and so I dont know anything about the real you.

Could you share some info about your identity please, just in case you know,
as I am getting more nervous about my investment after your replies in the discussion thread.

I am sure it wont be a problem as you are already a revealed identity.

Thanks.

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Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 11:31:36 AM

Well that's NEM fundraising style and NEM community. You could make up your own too. No envy here. NEM goes forward.

No Envy at all. For you i am a 'participant' who gives free money to you, and from my perspective I am an investor, who has invested money into your project, believing in you and seeing a potential for growth.I would like to know how many are 'participants' and not investors in this forum.
I am looking for answers on my investment and that's all, whats there to envy about in there?

Lets see what you have for the weekend news.

Also please ADD me to the core development team.

peace. Cool

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Quote from: qgmurugan007 on February 07, 2014, 11:24:46 AM

Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 11:10:32 AM

Let me know if you can be a core developer then you can have an access to the core development plan.

Are you saying, only core developers can have access to the core development plan?
Is this not a community project by participants anymore?
Then please add me to the list and I can update the community on its progress.
I dont need the core development plan, just a plan would do.

If funding is never a factor, why do you keep increase the stake amount after each page?
Why cant we let the community decide the price after giving equal stakes for everyone?, lets say every memebr who is interested as you did for the first 20 pages.
So dont BS me on that.

Dear OP, crypto world is a very fast moving one and after three weeks of brain storming, you haven't got a single line of code, that too after collecting 40+BTC to date from participants,
its time to rethink ~~your~~ our strategies.

Eagerly waiting for the weekend updates.

Well that's NEM fundraising style and NEM community. You could make up your own too. No envy here. NEM goes forward.

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Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 11:10:32 AM

Let me know if you can be a core developer then you can have an access to the core development plan.

Are you saying, only core developers can have access to the core development plan?
Is this not a community project by participants anymore?
Then please add me to the list and I can update the community on its progress.
I dont need the core development plan, just a plan would do.

If funding is never a factor, why do you keep increase the stake amount after each page?
Why cant we let the community decide the price after giving equal stakes for everyone?, lets say every memebr who is interested as you did for the first 20 pages.
So dont BS me on that.

Dear OP, crypto world is a very fast moving one and after three weeks of brain storming, you haven't got a single line of code, that too after collecting 40+BTC to date from participants,
its time to rethink ~~your~~ our strategies.

Eagerly waiting for the weekend updates.

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To add some fun to this topic, I have 'minecrafted' my logo attempt (here : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4922135 or here : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4929610 - star trek design, for Jean Luc P.

- ). The NEM logo works with very few pixels !

You can play and edit it for fun, to spend time, waiting for NEM release :

It's here (nb : any edit is seen by all other people, and there is no save or ctrl-Z...) :
http://3d.meteor.com/#scene/RXwpp7X79eGrKLbun

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Quote from: qgmurugan007 on February 07, 2014, 11:00:44 AM

Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 10:49:41 AM

No new source codes yet. We are at brainstorming/ draft/ assigning high level tasks stage. Some updates will come this weekend.

And sorry we are not asking for investors (no need for investors at all); we are asking for participants in a crypto movement/ community. It is not conceptualized as a corporation like Mastercoin or Bitshare. Developers participate in the technical development side and we expect other participants to contribute to other efforts as they can to spread NEM. Distribution is certainly something worthwhile to discuss, just no need to escalate the discussion to a level contrary to our spirit.

As a participant I would like to know how far is the development so that I can contribute.
Why don't you put a website somewhere, telling what you have decided so far after three weeks of brainstorming, so that I can contribute more.

Or are you expecting the community to do everything for you and you continue collecting money from 'participants'?
I dont want to be a kill joy but after weeks of announcing NEM, I see no progress, no announcements, but just fund collection and 'brain storming', which is making me nervous
as there are so many scams going on in this space.

Thanks.

Updates this weekend

we can't have a community without trust, can't we ? I have put up bounties for managing nemcoin.com; .info and .org so prepare a plan if you want to manage one of them. I think i will put them out for anyone capable after the fund raising is over.

Let me know if you can be a core developer then you can have an access to the core development plan.

For this type of project, funding is never a big factor. for an example you can just compare Mastercoin with NXT and Counter-Party-Protocol. I have explained before, the amount of funding is never a big factor for this project to progress. But the funding is there to establish participant's commitment and to establish the floor price of NEM.
We could have used Proof of Burn instead and this project will still progress, but I just don't see why we should enrich the current Bitcoin holders, so the funding will be kept for development but it will not be the deciding factor of NEM's success or failure.

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Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 10:49:41 AM

No new source codes yet. We are at brainstorming/ draft/ assigning high level tasks stage. Some updates will come this weekend.

And sorry we are not asking for investors (no need for investors at all); we are asking for participants in a crypto movement/ community. It is not conceptualized as a corporation like Mastercoin or Bitshare. Developers participate in the technical development side and we expect other participants to contribute to other efforts as they can to spread NEM. Distribution is certainly something worthwhile to discuss, just no need to escalate the discussion to a level contrary to our spirit.

As a participant I would like to know how far is the development so that I can contribute.
Why don't you put a website somewhere, telling what you have decided so far after three weeks of brainstorming, so that I can contribute more.

Or are you expecting the community to do everything for you and you continue collecting money from 'participants'?
I dont want to be a kill joy but after weeks of announcing NEM, I see no progress, no announcements, but just fund collection and 'brain storming', which is making me nervous
as there are so many scams going on in this space.

Thanks.

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Quote from: qgmurugan007 on February 07, 2014, 10:40:55 AM

Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 10:36:28 AM

We have a concept of "parallel development". That means we do technical development parallel with fundraising and community building. Bitching about distribution seems like inevitable given the nature of proof of stake blockchain that all shares have to be given out at the beginning. But the core technical development team is shielded from this discussion and will deliver the works according to the plan. However given the nature of the new start-up, everyone should be patient because there are a lot of things to sort through at the beginning.

It is very clear in our pitch that "you should be patient and we have no new codes at this point". So no ETA of any kind and you should know that before putting the money in.

I am not asking for a fully functional product here.
As an investor, I want to see how you are progressing with the 'parallel development'.
What have you achieved so far? Any screen shots or source code to share?
If you are doing development, you must be developing it against some spec or white paper right?
Could you be kind enough to share it?

Also your development team, they dont have any deadline at all?
So this thing could take years then?

How long you think is - Be patient ?

If you are doing it for the first 20 pages of people, who entered it for free, then you take as much time as you want.
You have taken my money and now you are sitting on top of +40 bitcoins, from similar people like me.
So I am looking for some answers here.

I agree, it would be nice to see something to show progress. A regular daily/bi-daily post from each developer would be nice, just to show that development is actually happening.

Also, can't all the devs get together and produce some sort of timeframe estimate? Just to put your ~3000 investors' mind at ease? Asking for a timeframe and being impatient are not the same thing. The time from NXT's announcement to release was ~3 months. Placing the same estimate on NEM would put it's release at the end of April/early May. Not to mention you have much more funding than they did. It's good to have a deadline to work to.

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Cmoon, be patient. A couple of weeks just had gone, so why panic?

I dont really understand, why some of the people get upset and complaining all the time about nonsense.
Read through the actual annoucement about NEM.

Be calm and try make some good stuff to promote NEM or put some good ideas here, IMO NEM is getting good hype behind, look at the registeration topic!

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Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 10:49:41 AM

No new source codes yet. We are at brainstorming/ draft/ assigning high level tasks stage. Some updates will come this weekend.

That's indeed interesting. I had thought you would just clone NXT.

What I don't understand is, why did you start collecting funds when you are still in the brainstorming stage?

Anyway, best of luck with your project. We will be watching your progress.

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Quote from: qgmurugan007 on February 07, 2014, 10:40:55 AM

Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 10:36:28 AM

We have a concept of "parallel development". That means we do technical development parallel with fundraising and community building. Bitching about distribution seems like inevitable given the nature of proof of stake blockchain that all shares have to be given out at the beginning. But the core technical development team is shielded from this discussion and will deliver the works according to the plan. However given the nature of the new start-up, everyone should be patient because there are a lot of things to sort through at the beginning.

It is very clear in our pitch that "you should be patient and we have no new codes at this point". So no ETA of any kind and you should know that before putting the money in.

I am not asking for a fully functional product here.
As an investor, I want to see how you are progressing with the 'parallel development'.
What have you achieved so far? Any screen shots or source code to share?
If you are doing development, you must be developing it against some spec or white paper right?
Could you be kind enough to share it?

Also your development team, they dont have any deadline at all?
So this thing could take years then?

How long you think is - Be patient ?

No new source codes yet. We are at brainstorming/ draft/ assigning high level tasks stage. Some updates will come this weekend.

And sorry we are not asking for investors (no need for investors at all); we are asking for participants in a crypto movement/ community. It is not conceptualized as a corporation like Mastercoin or Bitshare. Developers participate in the technical development side and we expect other participants to contribute to other efforts as they can to spread NEM. Distribution is certainly something worthwhile to discuss, just no need to escalate the discussion to a level contrary to our spirit.

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Quote from: qgmurugan007 on February 07, 2014, 10:40:55 AM

Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 10:36:28 AM

We have a concept of "parallel development". That means we do technical development parallel with fundraising and community building. Bitching about distribution seems like inevitable given the nature of proof of stake blockchain that all shares have to be given out at the beginning. But the core technical development team is shielded from this discussion and will deliver the works according to the plan. However given the nature of the new start-up, everyone should be patient because there are a lot of things to sort through at the beginning.

It is very clear in our pitch that "you should be patient and we have no new codes at this point". So no ETA of any kind and you should know that before putting the money in.

I am not asking for a fully functional product here.
As an investor, I want to see how you are progressing with the 'parallel development'.
What have you achieved so far? Any screen shots or source code to share?
If you are doing development, you must be developing it against some spec or white paper right?
Could you be kind enough to share it?

Also your development team, they dont have any deadline at all?
So this thing could take years then?

How long you think is - Be patient ?

If you are doing it for the first 20 pages of people, who entered it for free, then you take as much time as you want.
You have taken my money and now you are sitting on top of +40 bitcoins, from similar people like me.
So I am looking for some answers here.

You may want to check out NEX www.nexcoin.net . we may actually be much further along in development.

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Quote from: utopianfuture on February 07, 2014, 10:36:28 AM

We have a concept of "parallel development". That means we do technical development parallel with fundraising and community building. Bitching about distribution seems like inevitable given the nature of proof of stake blockchain that all shares have to be given out at the beginning. But the core technical development team is shielded from this discussion and will deliver the works according to the plan. However given the nature of the new start-up, everyone should be patient because there are a lot of things to sort through at the beginning.

It is very clear in our pitch that "you should be patient and we have no new codes at this point". So no ETA of any kind and you should know that before putting the money in.

I am not asking for a fully functional product here.
As an investor, I want to see how you are progressing with the 'parallel development'.
What have you achieved so far? Any screen shots or source code to share?
If you are doing development, you must be developing it against some spec or white paper right?
Could you be kind enough to share it?

Also your development team, they dont have any deadline at all?
So this thing could take years then?

How long you think is - Be patient ?

If you are doing it for the first 20 pages of people, who entered it for free, then you take as much time as you want.
You have taken my money and now you are sitting on top of +40 bitcoins, from similar people like me.
So I am looking for some answers here.

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