Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 455. (Read 661525 times)

Agree with you 100%! We need a better client, and that should be our first objective before anything else (of course after the blockchain ).

I will gladly donate some of my NEM's to 4 people I know, hopefully many other stakeholders do that also!

Nxt wallet is indeed very tough to download, I hope NEM will make a more user friendly, easier to install wallet. with NEMS already great distribution it can then easily rival or perhaps surpass nxt .

If 3000-4000 Nem stake holders each recruit 4 new members in a month by giving some of there coins and those new members in turn do the same the growth of Nem will be enormous within a year.

hello,
 
I just found out I am on the fraudster list, please can you explain to me why?
 
I can send you evidence of my transaction
 
Regards

As a newbie to crypto followed ntx since 12/13 i see mistakes nxt made from a novice user.
the client was and is crap. download certain java, blocks, trx files this and that (normal people wont bother)

outrole of the client / did not help with a dodgy New Zealand site (distributing infected client that stole you coins)
this was addressed with checking the download hash and all that but the damage was done !

distribution of nxt. nice if you got in but millions of next carnt be sold because even small 250/500k dumps crash the price. So its going to take a long time to shift and if people loose faith  because the investment dont move its game over.

the wallet / i find myself constantly checking the blockchain even with a small amount of nxt.

development fund i think i read 5% > needs to be increased because it costs a lot to go onto an exchange and you need many  !!!!!!!!!!!!
Adverts also cost, publicity is key.

i think you said no faucet / it is paramount that more people become involved thats how i got my first nxt cion.
i would be interested in doing this (setting up a site at my cost if needed)

community seem together at nxt but reading these threads its a bit bitchy with constant moans about this and that.
SOLUTIONS NOT PROBLEMS we need a good forum for users (KEY)

thats my 2pence worth for now no joke about my spelling !

What are you trying to say ?

No exchanges ?  I read most of NEM thread on here and didn't see that.

Here are some to stupid to read?

No Exchanges! No BTER No Dgex no Vircurex!!

What happens to those who can not read or rather WANT?

I thought it was a list of duplicate hashes, with 1 of the 2 people (2nd to post?) listed.  You are going to still need a way to check who owns the hash.  To check who owns hash, you need a process.  Then you can start knowing with authority which of a duplicate hash poster is fraudalent and which is not.

You said to comment on the doc.  I don't understand what that accomplishes ?  Anyone can comment on the doc ?  

We need a process to say "I sent the money, not that guy, take him off".  

Oh well, I can wait patiently.

If you were to make assumption that first person to post duplicate hash is the fraudalent and make it default, you'd likely decrease your workload.  I doubt many people tried posting duplicate hashes after they had been posted, but who knows.

The hash check sheet is done to audit the registration thread 2. I will take input from that list to make change to official stakeholder list. Nothing up to the end of registration thread 1 has been changed yet.

The official stakeholder list goes offline for a few hours for re-organization but that is still the official list.

@misterbowls: I think you still misunderstand the use of the check hash sheet.

Well now I'm confused. So the list is supposed to hold all stakeholders and the potential fraudsters are marked ? Because I can't find myself anywhere in that sheet. I bought in when it was 160 NXT.

Well, I am not under the impression you guys are pointing fingers and calling many fraudsters.  I'm saying that I know 2 people and they were both on that list.  You should name it "people needing to prove ownership so they won't lose their stake".  Then you need to come up with a process.  5-6 fraudsters may not be many but unless you can identify the 100+ shares they tried to steal that is going to be hours of work for you guys.  So I am suggesting you make a 2nd account to receive verification pms to help keep it more manageable.  That way people can't modify things either and further add to confusion.

edit - The above is assuming new accounts on here can receive PMs.  Regardless, I'm just asking that you make process of how you want proof handled so people can start making corrective steps and feel better about their investments.

People complain about people having duplicate stakes.  This is actually a fairly worse problem, but we can 100% fix it.

Thank you for your hard work guys.

oh I think you are confused because of the sheet title. The sheet just lists everyone with the valid transaction hashes they provided. We then sort by the hashes to find duplicate hashes and the fraudsters.
It is not actually that bad as there are about 5-6 fraudsters out of 200 stakeholders. The sheet title is now changed to "hash check" to avoid confusion.

Sorry, the title was misleading. Only duplicated hash has been marked what is mean one of them could be fraudster.

Line 56?  I shouldn't be in there, so thats the problem ?  I'm not getting all defensive because I think #1 you guys are well intentioned #2 we have time to fix this.

What I am upset is that the list is likely 100% wrong.  If you take the 2nd person in the threads then you will always have the "good" person.  This is probably not a bad idea because they are the ones that will have to take corrective action.

My suggestion would be to come up with a process beforehand.  I would suggest PMs since the fraudster can be a pain in the butt if the "proofs" are publically made.  I'd go a bit further and make a 2nd account just for receiving proof pms.  Maybe create 3 nxt accounts, then have person send you 1 NXT in one of three accounts and tell you which on.  You can either vary # of receiving accounts or # of NXT, but if you make it more than 1 nxt then you have to bother returning it perhaps.

Edit - and what does making comment on list do ?  I guess scammer can't comment on the list since they are not on it ?  So by default the fraudalent people can prove they're legitimate?  Just remember with blockchain scammer can see deposit from your account then claim it is his.  You need to come up with a systematic process to prove ownership, or you're going to add to your workload when 100s of people are doing it in varying ways.

make comment on the list. That list only shows you where duplicate hashes are. If there is a dispute, then you need to show proof of ownership of the transaction.

edit: i don't see anywhere in the fraudster list saying you are a fraudster. what's wrong ?

This fraudster list is 100% wrong from my observation.  Both my account and grimli333 are not fraudalent.  Grimli333 is someone I got to sign up who is very much into cryptocoins and works on projects etc.

Your list of scammers should list the other scammer pairings.

What you're going to have is a bunch of scammers win by default and then the people who were interested miss out on the fact their money has already been stolen.

It is hard work guys, but just realize that your list is probably way wrong so you're going to have a lot of work to do to get it straightened out.  THanks.

Update: I temporarily take the stakeholder list offline to make some re-organization. Kooream have been helping me to construct "fraudsters" list; you can comment on his work in the Google sheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgHJzpkvTvCxdDNodjQ1MkVSUHh5LV9EcnRuU2wxMWc#gid=4

I will make changes to the stakeholder list based on Kooream's list. Our efforts would be on the registration thread 2 at first, but will eventually move to registration thread 1 when we catch up with current registrations. Thanks.

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Hello, sorry for my english,

i find my name on the fraudsters list,

Like i explained in my post on the page 2 of the second part thread :
"Hello, i did wrong: i sent 0.003 btc instead of 0.03 ...
So i sent you 350 nxt from 9146814945127570304

Transaction ID 17058110096864951660"

I send a wrong amount the first time with position 1414 on the stakeholder list (498ed3a1c324f915e4a1c84112ed1de1e3a6b22f1982433e8a40349b9fa8f03b   : Amount 0,003 btc), so i send a second time with a good amount (350 nxt ID 17058110096864951660) with position 1484 on the stakeholder list.

So only the second post (with 350 nxt send) is the good.

I'm sorry for that.

Can you fix it?

Do ideas about refusal to pay nem? I'm talking about people who have created multiple accounts for registration in the list of stakeholders

All duplicate accounts will be deleted except one. Since I enter the names in a chronological order, sometimes an account appear twice because they appear in the list in two separate times.

So the true number of stakeholders would be less than the total number in the list since we would : 1. delete duplicate accounts; 2.delete all fraudsters.

I just find repetitive btt id in stakeholder list.
e.x. id  r3animation at colA.28 free  1636  **nxt  
id Manwe at colA.89 free   129 free
I'm confused and I don't think it is fair.
So how to deal with it? Would these records be merged?