and not just that someone use the hash of others
if there duplicate hash has to be an audit to find out the owner,
I am no scammer. I demand to be taken off the fraudster word of my name on the list,
and request excuse to me and the community!!!
Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 458. (Read 661525 times)
February 02, 2014, 09:07:33 PM
February 02, 2014, 08:45:33 PM
someone used my hash ...check the tread date and time check .my address btc
face care is not unfair to the Community have to look into this
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.180
face care is not unfair to the Community have to look into this
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.180
Dont worry I will look into it.
February 02, 2014, 08:42:23 PM
Emergency announcement: From this point on all "reserved", "interested", "post transaction later" posts will be deleted. You should send the required fee to NEM addresses, obtain the transaction hash and make a post. The registration thread will strictly be maintained as a registration place only. All other comments should go to this thread.
This measure is introduced to combat the fraudster's practice of using other people's transaction hashes to reserve a stake. Since if two accounts have the same hash we only accept the first account who use that hash so it is critical that a fraudster account cannot use hash from legitimate transactions later.
Now for all accounts with duplicate hashes, the priority is given to an account whose post appears earlier. But for further appeal you would need to contact me via PM and show proof of ownership of that transaction. The appeal would work out easily by sending very small amount from your address to NEM again. Then the other account with duplicate hash would be label "fraudster".
I hope the community will also guard the registration thread to catch any attempt of fraudsters to cheat his way to the stakeholder list. Thanks.
UP
This measure is introduced to combat the fraudster's practice of using other people's transaction hashes to reserve a stake. Since if two accounts have the same hash we only accept the first account who use that hash so it is critical that a fraudster account cannot use hash from legitimate transactions later.
Now for all accounts with duplicate hashes, the priority is given to an account whose post appears earlier. But for further appeal you would need to contact me via PM and show proof of ownership of that transaction. The appeal would work out easily by sending very small amount from your address to NEM again. Then the other account with duplicate hash would be label "fraudster".
I hope the community will also guard the registration thread to catch any attempt of fraudsters to cheat his way to the stakeholder list. Thanks.
UP
February 02, 2014, 08:37:48 PM
someone used my hash ...check the tread date and time check .my address btc
face care is not unfair to the Community have to look into this
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.180
face care is not unfair to the Community have to look into this
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.180
February 02, 2014, 08:30:02 PM
stakeholder List update to page 10 thread 2. The reason for this lateness is I found out couple of fraudsters and the main trick they used is to make reservations with other people transactions.
Since the fee changes every 10 pages, they can only use the transaction in that range because the first thing I checked is to see if there is indeed an transaction of the right amount. Now I also sorted the hash in alphabetical order and only accept unique transaction hash; if a hash was used the second time then that user is a fraudster. So it would take longer time now to update the list since the checking now requires more times and efforts.
I would also go back to earlier transactions to find every single fraudsters and throw them out of the list. The good thing is that all the records are public in the registration thread and all fraudsters will be found out easily using the method I lay out.
So go ahead and waste your times because I am going to find you and throw you out of the stakeholder list.
Since the fee changes every 10 pages, they can only use the transaction in that range because the first thing I checked is to see if there is indeed an transaction of the right amount. Now I also sorted the hash in alphabetical order and only accept unique transaction hash; if a hash was used the second time then that user is a fraudster. So it would take longer time now to update the list since the checking now requires more times and efforts.
I would also go back to earlier transactions to find every single fraudsters and throw them out of the list. The good thing is that all the records are public in the registration thread and all fraudsters will be found out easily using the method I lay out.
So go ahead and waste your times because I am going to find you and throw you out of the stakeholder list.
@utopianfuture
sorry my english
you rated me as a fraudster, what problem with my transaction ?
https://blockchain.info/pt/tx/01aceb43d73043c4cb82b9f99244154619e0fbf135d071c4489b4ea7b3ba5a37
my adress btc 1Kbsedk9xsQVyGgkSsuzeMR1M5Zb8Gy13j
I sent 0.0002 btc for you please confirm my adress
https://blockchain.info/pt/tx/3070a472ddf770e8cc726859df391eb16556570f7d5b22e3621ffbc7486fca92
That is a duplicate hash.
February 02, 2014, 08:22:23 PM
stakeholder List update to page 10 thread 2. The reason for this lateness is I found out couple of fraudsters and the main trick they used is to make reservations with other people transactions.
Since the fee changes every 10 pages, they can only use the transaction in that range because the first thing I checked is to see if there is indeed an transaction of the right amount. Now I also sorted the hash in alphabetical order and only accept unique transaction hash; if a hash was used the second time then that user is a fraudster. So it would take longer time now to update the list since the checking now requires more times and efforts.
I would also go back to earlier transactions to find every single fraudsters and throw them out of the list. The good thing is that all the records are public in the registration thread and all fraudsters will be found out easily using the method I lay out.
So go ahead and waste your times because I am going to find you and throw you out of the stakeholder list.
Since the fee changes every 10 pages, they can only use the transaction in that range because the first thing I checked is to see if there is indeed an transaction of the right amount. Now I also sorted the hash in alphabetical order and only accept unique transaction hash; if a hash was used the second time then that user is a fraudster. So it would take longer time now to update the list since the checking now requires more times and efforts.
I would also go back to earlier transactions to find every single fraudsters and throw them out of the list. The good thing is that all the records are public in the registration thread and all fraudsters will be found out easily using the method I lay out.
So go ahead and waste your times because I am going to find you and throw you out of the stakeholder list.
@utopianfuture
sorry my english
you rated me as a fraudster, what problem with my transaction ?
https://blockchain.info/pt/tx/01aceb43d73043c4cb82b9f99244154619e0fbf135d071c4489b4ea7b3ba5a37
my adress btc 1Kbsedk9xsQVyGgkSsuzeMR1M5Zb8Gy13j
I sent 0.0002 btc for you please confirm my adress
https://blockchain.info/pt/tx/3070a472ddf770e8cc726859df391eb16556570f7d5b22e3621ffbc7486fca92
February 02, 2014, 07:56:43 PM
Yes only one or two of the logo entries would even be considered eligible contenders at this point. The ones I've posted were very much rough ideas I put up in hopes of some feedback. I am putting together a final submission, that has diverged quite a bit from what I posted, but is an evolution of my idea.
I think the way gvans has presented, with the artwork scaled to all the sizes it needs to be should be addressed by all entries. The icon for coin market cap must be 16 by 16 pixels. Getting something that will read well at that resolution yet stand out among other coins offers an interesting challenge.
Then think of buttons and ad banner size images of maybe 32 x 32 to 128 range, and finally higher resolution versions that are still interesting.
I think the way gvans has presented, with the artwork scaled to all the sizes it needs to be should be addressed by all entries. The icon for coin market cap must be 16 by 16 pixels. Getting something that will read well at that resolution yet stand out among other coins offers an interesting challenge.
Then think of buttons and ad banner size images of maybe 32 x 32 to 128 range, and finally higher resolution versions that are still interesting.
February 02, 2014, 07:28:34 PM
Allthough im also made a logo set, i thought at the moment some of these new sketches in registeration thread are done just by little or no work at all?
LOL I thought the same; some of them leave a lot to be desired.
HOWEVER, they are investing their time and effort to help move the NEM brand and name forward. We can't really complain can we?
February 02, 2014, 07:13:10 PM
Allthough im also made a logo set, i thought at the moment some of these new sketches in registeration thread are done just by little or no work at all?
February 02, 2014, 07:05:36 PM
Whatever the plan is I suggest you make it quick 
Someone tossed this on to the Litecoin forums and the post was met with a rather cold Ponzi/Premine sentiment. Which is, in a sence, a very logical response from any non Belieber. By the rate this is going NEM will hit its 4000 stakeholder target in two weeks. By that time NEM will have collected +/- 200BTC (think its around 30BTC now). In order to keep the public opinion on your side you'll really need to show something soon.
Reference: LTC forum topic:
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=14547.0
Someone tossed this on to the Litecoin forums and the post was met with a rather cold Ponzi/Premine sentiment. Which is, in a sence, a very logical response from any non Belieber. By the rate this is going NEM will hit its 4000 stakeholder target in two weeks. By that time NEM will have collected +/- 200BTC (think its around 30BTC now). In order to keep the public opinion on your side you'll really need to show something soon.Reference: LTC forum topic:
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=14547.0
I think I am voicing a legitimate concern here so don't bully me. Utopianfuture it would be nice if you could find the time to provide me with a reply here. So that I may post it on Litecoin's forums.
February 02, 2014, 06:24:09 PM
Thanks for your good work utopianfuture but do not forget to sleep
February 02, 2014, 06:09:01 PM
I suspect a common reaction amongst the dogecoin crowd will be to shout about premine and scam etc... There is that pervasive attitude, that anything that doesn't justifiy having a GPU rig to mine coin is a scam.
What are some good constructive ways to communicate that NEM is not a scam, and is meant to fulfill the promise of a fairly distributed currency?
What are some good constructive ways to communicate that NEM is not a scam, and is meant to fulfill the promise of a fairly distributed currency?
Scam is so easy to use.
This is a risk, certainly.
However, I know utopianfuture from his work on Nxt (which also proved not to be a scam and is continuing to prove it) and I am convinced NEM will start in good faith.
That doesn't mean it will be a success. If I've learned anything at Nxt it's that PoS coins rely on a strong contributing community that invests in the coin (not just in money, far more in time and effort) to give the system value.
I'm very curious how this will turn out.
February 02, 2014, 06:06:39 PM
Some advice to the devs:
You should do a multibit type client for NEM instead of a localhost site like in NXT.
I think that would be better for newbies and it feels professionally, what NXT's localhost page I think not the best...
But thats just an opinion, many people outside the crypto world don't even know what is IP or localhost or port, and if the software don't start it automatically they won't do it.
You should do a multibit type client for NEM instead of a localhost site like in NXT.
I think that would be better for newbies and it feels professionally, what NXT's localhost page I think not the best...
But thats just an opinion, many people outside the crypto world don't even know what is IP or localhost or port, and if the software don't start it automatically they won't do it.
February 02, 2014, 05:26:55 PM
I suspect a common reaction amongst the dogecoin crowd will be to shout about premine and scam etc... There is that pervasive attitude, that anything that doesn't justifiy having a GPU rig to mine coin is a scam.
What are some good constructive ways to communicate that NEM is not a scam, and is meant to fulfill the promise of a fairly distributed currency?
What are some good constructive ways to communicate that NEM is not a scam, and is meant to fulfill the promise of a fairly distributed currency?
February 02, 2014, 04:58:33 PM
stakeholder List update to page 10 thread 2. The reason for this lateness is I found out couple of fraudsters and the main trick they used is to make reservations with other people transactions.
Since the fee changes every 10 pages, they can only use the transaction in that range because the first thing I checked is to see if there is indeed an transaction of the right amount. Now I also sorted the hash in alphabetical order and only accept unique transaction hash; if a hash was used the second time then that user is a fraudster. So it would take longer time now to update the list since the checking now requires more times and efforts.
I would also go back to earlier transactions to find every single fraudsters and throw them out of the list. The good thing is that all the records are public in the registration thread and all fraudsters will be found out easily using the method I lay out.
So go ahead and waste your times because I am going to find you and throw you out of the stakeholder list.
Since the fee changes every 10 pages, they can only use the transaction in that range because the first thing I checked is to see if there is indeed an transaction of the right amount. Now I also sorted the hash in alphabetical order and only accept unique transaction hash; if a hash was used the second time then that user is a fraudster. So it would take longer time now to update the list since the checking now requires more times and efforts.
I would also go back to earlier transactions to find every single fraudsters and throw them out of the list. The good thing is that all the records are public in the registration thread and all fraudsters will be found out easily using the method I lay out.
So go ahead and waste your times because I am going to find you and throw you out of the stakeholder list.
Good that you found out!
Oh and utopianfuture do you know when the registration will end if the registration speed continues like this? 1 week? 2 week? or 4000 stakeholders? Thanks in advance!
February 02, 2014, 04:54:43 PM
stakeholder List update to page 10 thread 2. The reason for this lateness is I found out couple of fraudsters and the main trick they used is to make reservations with other people transactions.
Since the fee changes every 10 pages, they can only use the transaction in that range because the first thing I checked is to see if there is indeed an transaction of the right amount. Now I also sorted the hash in alphabetical order and only accept unique transaction hash; if a hash was used the second time then that user is a fraudster. So it would take longer time now to update the list since the checking now requires more times and efforts.
I would also go back to earlier transactions to find every single fraudsters and throw them out of the list. The good thing is that all the records are public in the registration thread and all fraudsters will be found out easily using the method I lay out.
So go ahead and waste your times because I am going to find you and throw you out of the stakeholder list.
Since the fee changes every 10 pages, they can only use the transaction in that range because the first thing I checked is to see if there is indeed an transaction of the right amount. Now I also sorted the hash in alphabetical order and only accept unique transaction hash; if a hash was used the second time then that user is a fraudster. So it would take longer time now to update the list since the checking now requires more times and efforts.
I would also go back to earlier transactions to find every single fraudsters and throw them out of the list. The good thing is that all the records are public in the registration thread and all fraudsters will be found out easily using the method I lay out.
So go ahead and waste your times because I am going to find you and throw you out of the stakeholder list.
I was thinking the same. I was about to post but you discovered it yourself.
I'm very glad to be one of the holders (even though I'm not in the list yet) and hoping this is not a scam and the project go further.
February 02, 2014, 04:43:00 PM
stakeholder List update to page 10 thread 2. The reason for this lateness is I found out couple of fraudsters and the main trick they used is to make reservations with other people transactions.
Since the fee changes every 10 pages, they can only use the transaction in that range because the first thing I checked is to see if there is indeed an transaction of the right amount. Now I also sorted the hash in alphabetical order and only accept unique transaction hash; if a hash was used the second time then that user is a fraudster. So it would take longer time now to update the list since the checking now requires more times and efforts.
I would also go back to earlier transactions to find every single fraudsters and throw them out of the list. The good thing is that all the records are public in the registration thread and all fraudsters will be found out easily using the method I lay out.
So go ahead and waste your times because I am going to find you and throw you out of the stakeholder list.
Since the fee changes every 10 pages, they can only use the transaction in that range because the first thing I checked is to see if there is indeed an transaction of the right amount. Now I also sorted the hash in alphabetical order and only accept unique transaction hash; if a hash was used the second time then that user is a fraudster. So it would take longer time now to update the list since the checking now requires more times and efforts.
I would also go back to earlier transactions to find every single fraudsters and throw them out of the list. The good thing is that all the records are public in the registration thread and all fraudsters will be found out easily using the method I lay out.
So go ahead and waste your times because I am going to find you and throw you out of the stakeholder list.
February 02, 2014, 04:20:14 PM
how often is this updated https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdDZ0amZpM00wQXhrR2lJM3pCOGRhNFE#gid=0 ? I am not on there dispite my contribution:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg4886653#msg4886653
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
Anyone have an answer to this
I did not get listed... Maybe once in a day. For me it took over 24 hours ...
February 02, 2014, 04:19:12 PM
Or we could have forging bands where a certain level of coins would put you in a group.
For example, forging groups could be:
- Accounts > 4M
- Accounts [1M, 4M)
- Accounts [500K, 1M)
- Accounts [100K, 500K)
- Accounts [1K, 100K)
- Accounts [1, 1K)
Each subsequent block could come from a different group. Assuming less concentration at the top, that would encourage asset consolidation up to 4M and then a splitting of assets less than that.
(1) Bands with less accounts would be more desirable
(2) As people move to less occupied bands, the bands will reach an equilibrium where they all have ~ the same number of accounts
(3) Everyone or no one
It's just something I thought up of now, so I haven't fully thought it through.
For example, forging groups could be:
- Accounts > 4M
- Accounts [1M, 4M)
- Accounts [500K, 1M)
- Accounts [100K, 500K)
- Accounts [1K, 100K)
- Accounts [1, 1K)
Each subsequent block could come from a different group. Assuming less concentration at the top, that would encourage asset consolidation up to 4M and then a splitting of assets less than that.
(1) Bands with less accounts would be more desirable
(2) As people move to less occupied bands, the bands will reach an equilibrium where they all have ~ the same number of accounts
(3) Everyone or no one
It's just something I thought up of now, so I haven't fully thought it through.
forging groups may be good; then the richer are earning from other rich, and so on.
To avoid that someone splits his big account to n*999999, to get "better" forging,
the limits could be floating, changed by some algorithm (if not too difficult to implement).
But later, in active network, the tx fees may change the understanding of forging's effects/benefits.
February 02, 2014, 04:11:13 PM
While I think it looks pretty good it does remind me a lot of another coin that is already out there...can't remember the name right now. If you browse the Announcement sub you'll sure stumble upon it tho.
maybe Terracoin? Argentum?
p2pool.org is pretty list of different images...
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