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I know it is sometimes difficult to think in the round about these things, and that people quite rightly have a psychological aversion to 'destruction', but isn't option 1 (destruction) just a very simple and elegant way of implementing option 3 (distribution to all stakeholders)?

That's exactly how I see it.
I'm also leaning towards destroying them.
On the other hand I'm not entirely certain that a single NEM will become inevitably more valuable as it becomes more rare.
I've got a better idea purchase one of these for the Dev's to share


Makoto1337 is going to need it !

ALPHA T MINUS  6d -18hr 19m



Donation for a charitable purpose which decides the community!
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I know it is sometimes difficult to think in the round about these things, and that people quite rightly have a psychological aversion to 'destruction', but isn't option 1 (destruction) just a very simple and elegant way of implementing option 3 (distribution to all stakeholders)?

That's exactly how I see it.
I'm also leaning towards destroying them.
On the other hand I'm not entirely certain that a single NEM will become inevitably more valuable as it becomes more rare.

I don't believe the stakes should be destroyed. Think about the what this means to someone outside of the community looking in. My preference would be that the stakes are awarded to people outside of the existing community and preferably outside of the crypto community. I see this as a method to increase the number of people in the community of NEM and encouraging more people on the outside of the crypto environment to become involved, wasn't that the original intention of having 3,000 stakeholders? I aso want to make a clear distinction here between giving away and awarded.

The reward of a stake or maybe part of a stake (0.1 instead of 1.0) should come as the result of effort. Maybe that can be as simple as a letter explaining why a person believes they should be awarded a stake, maybe it is for setting up a local group, maybe it should be used to create a foundation that is able to give funds outside of the core NEM development team based on a voting system in the blockchain?

KC
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Never back down !!!
I know it is sometimes difficult to think in the round about these things, and that people quite rightly have a psychological aversion to 'destruction', but isn't option 1 (destruction) just a very simple and elegant way of implementing option 3 (distribution to all stakeholders)?

That's exactly how I see it.
I'm also leaning towards destroying them.
On the other hand I'm not entirely certain that a single NEM will become inevitably more valuable as it becomes more rare.

Sounds good.

+1
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Hi guys,

Can someone please advise on the below?

If a buy a NEM stake from NXT AE what exactly do I need to do to claim my NEM coins and get on the stakeholders list and by when?

Thank you very much
Dude check this thread
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7284744
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Hi guys,

Can someone please advise on the below?

If a buy a NEM stake from NXT AE what exactly do I need to do to claim my NEM coins and get on the stakeholders list and by when?

Thank you very much
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I hope you don't mind me asking, can you/anyone confirm that utopianfuture lives in the United States?

edit: Thank you for the PM, gimre.
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I know it is sometimes difficult to think in the round about these things, and that people quite rightly have a psychological aversion to 'destruction', but isn't option 1 (destruction) just a very simple and elegant way of implementing option 3 (distribution to all stakeholders)?

That's exactly how I see it.
I'm also leaning towards destroying them.
On the other hand I'm not entirely certain that a single NEM will become inevitably more valuable as it becomes more rare.
I've got a better idea purchase one of these for the Dev's to share


Makoto1337 is going to need it !

ALPHA T MINUS  6d -18hr 19m
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Yes, destruction is the same! Perfect!

Agreed. I vote for destruction.
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Yes, destruction is the same! Perfect!
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I know it is sometimes difficult to think in the round about these things, and that people quite rightly have a psychological aversion to 'destruction', but isn't option 1 (destruction) just a very simple and elegant way of implementing option 3 (distribution to all stakeholders)?

That's exactly how I see it.
I'm also leaning towards destroying them.
On the other hand I'm not entirely certain that a single NEM will become inevitably more valuable as it becomes more rare.
newbie
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Hello everyone.
I was following the thread and have seen lot of debate about unclaimed stakes
in early stage.
Here are the options so far exposed by some of the member in this thread:


1) destroy unclaimed stakes
2) add unclaimed stakes to development fund and use for development marketing after V1 phase
3) redistribute between all stake holders in equal shares
4) acution the unclaimed stakes and use the BTC for development and marketing after V1 phase

I have following opinions about them:

1) Is the short term value all we care about?
   why destroy it just to have short term gain would not be better to use this NEM
   for other things real life projects and help people to improve their lives.
   I thing it would be nice to have voting on NEM funds usage so comunity members could propose project ideas,
   vote about this projects and decide what for this NEM could be used.

2) This is good if we can have full time development team dedicated to NEM development
   is one of the options that I would accept for example fund nem startups that will develop
   software services for NEM ecosystem.
   Also this way dev team does not need to beg for donations.


3) I think this would be fair and hope that will motivate stakeholders to engage more
   in NEM community but on the other side I'm afraid this could also have a different outcome
   as majority  will receive something for nothing and could dump it.

   Fellow NEM stake holders
   this was call for participation an not an IPO and YOU are called to participate not just watch and wait.

   How to do this:
   talk about NEM to your friend and relatives
   spread the word out
   invest NEM in some real business
   start a business that uses NEM
   help the developer team to code services around NEM
   (design, translate, write,code)
   do other thinks that you are good at to add value to NEM.
   
   
4) I think is good to and could raise the value of NEM also the fund could be used like
   in option 2)


Actually I find only option 1 bad and all other options seems good to me.
Maybe we should put on vote this options mentioned here and let to community decide about the outcome
but I thing this should be when time comes now is still early for this things.

Best regards,
      freigeist

I know it is sometimes difficult to think in the round about these things, and that people quite rightly have a psychological aversion to 'destruction', but isn't option 1 (destruction) just a very simple and elegant way of implementing option 3 (distribution to all stakeholders)?
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Never back down !!!
stakes shouldn't be distributed to even wider audience, as this would be very unfair towards people who have bought their stake from NXT AE.

Can you elaborate on how that would be unfair ?
Their shares won't get smaller by more people getting in. We're merely trying to get to those 3k stakeholders.

{troll mode on} I guess he has sock puppet accounts an he want to get as much of AE as poosible...
What I meant was that the value of the stake would naturally decrease if the unclaimed ones would be re-distributed. In my opinion that would be unfair for the ones who have bought their stakes from NXT AE as this would be unanticipated move. The auction of the 150 stakes for btc is fair as it was expected and announced _before_ the launch of NEM in NXT AE.

And gimre please don't make such accusations even though I don't have many posts. Writing in a foreign language takes great energy from me, and have chosen to stay as "a reader" on these forums. Also, you can check that I haven't claimed my stake as nxt asset nor have I any plans to do so.

That´s the point.

If you sell them, you just take money from the ones who decided to not sell their stake or even buy more, and put in developers pocket or in a developer fund. And there is already a developer fund.

Please state a decision as soon as possible.

The auction was announced before the Assets on the NXT AE. Therefore everyone knew that some more stakes will be distributed.
Ans stop saying everything goes into devs pocket.

Again. this is about unclaimed stakes, not about the stakes for the auction.
But even that wasn´t a smart move tod o it after NXT ae launch.
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That goes to show that there is a bigger fish to fry at the moment and people are talking about what needs to be done with the unclaimed coins, most with selfish intents and short term in mind. And that's what I have been harping about. Think of great things and projects to do instead of tossing over a few coins.

And if one is bankrupt of any better ideas than just to selfishly profit from the pump, dump and jump perspective, then, as a I said, this is the wrong community to be in.

Please do not lose hope. I am sure the devs and the community will reach a sensible decision in the end. But the developer's utmost priority at the moment should be the alpha release now. I request everybody to cooperate with the devs until a final decision is made.

FYI-" Moon has been visited so many times, It shouldn't be NEM's goal. It should aim beyond the kuiper's belt and the Oort cloud, exploring the space beyond our solar system, just like the voyager-1 did." So NEM to the outer space and beyond Wink

In hope we shall not rely on but the burning desire to succeed is what that shall make us to be, walking over instead of falling over any obstacles in between.
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That goes to show that there is a bigger fish to fry at the moment and people are talking about what needs to be done with the unclaimed coins, most with selfish intents and short term in mind. And that's what I have been harping about. Think of great things and projects to do instead of tossing over a few coins.

And if one is bankrupt of any better ideas than just to selfishly profit from the pump, dump and jump perspective, then, as a I said, this is the wrong community to be in.

Please do not lose hope. I am sure the devs and the community will reach a sensible decision in the end. But the developer's utmost priority at the moment should be the alpha release now. I request everybody to cooperate with the devs until a final decision is made.

FYI-" Moon has been visited so many times, It shouldn't be NEM's goal. It should aim beyond the kuiper's belt and the Oort cloud, exploring the space beyond our solar system, just like the voyager-1 did." So NEM to the outer space and beyond Wink
legendary
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Regarding the destruction and charity-These options are just plain nonsense in my point of view.

Please do not shoot off your head but please substantiate why this is nonsense so that people can understand "your point of view", for without reason, it is equally nonsensical to say so.
Out of all the things I wrote, you only qoute this line of mine??
First, It is far more easy to destroy something than actually creating that thing.
Secondly, It is far too early to think about charity before the full working software release - "A house doesn't stand on sand, It needs a strong foundation to stand upon". First we need to build a single storey upon the foundation before thinking about the 2nd storey atop.
Once everything is all up and firing, we as a community can think of something about charity if a majority of holders agree. Note: I myself support the charity option but clearly do not as in the current moment.

That goes to show that there is a bigger fish to fry at the moment and people are talking about what needs to be done with the unclaimed coins, most with selfish intents and short term in mind. And that's what I have been harping about. Think of great things and projects to do instead of tossing over a few coins.

And if one is bankrupt of any better ideas than just to selfishly profit from the pump, dump and jump perspective, then, as a I said, this is the wrong community to be in.
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^^First one looks appealing
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...played around with some colour schemes





edit: will make higher resolution if needed later on

My original "green" proposal here

sr. member
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Regarding the destruction and charity-These options are just plain nonsense in my point of view.

Please do not shoot off your head but please substantiate why this is nonsense so that people can understand "your point of view", for without reason, it is equally nonsensical to say so.
Out of all the things I wrote, you only qoute this line of mine??
First, It is far more easy to destroy something than actually creating that thing.
Secondly, It is far too early to think about charity before the full working software release - "A house doesn't stand on sand, It needs a strong foundation to stand upon". First we need to build a single storey upon the foundation before thinking about the 2nd storey atop.
Once everything is all up and firing, we as a community can think of something about charity if a majority of holders agree. Note: I myself support the charity option but clearly do not as in the current moment.
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Regarding the destruction and charity-These options are just plain nonsense in my point of view.

Please do not shoot off your head but please substantiate why this is nonsense so that people can understand "your point of view", for without reason, it is equally nonsensical to say so.

Let's discuss in a civilized manner but there is no need to rush to a decision anytime soon. I am sure the ultimate decision will reside with the will of the whole community  Smiley
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Hello everyone.
I was following the thread and have seen lot of debate about unclaimed stakes
in early stage.
Here are the options so far exposed by some of the member in this thread:


1) destroy unclaimed stakes
2) add unclaimed stakes to development fund and use for development marketing after V1 phase
3) redistribute between all stake holders in equal shares
4) acution the unclaimed stakes and use the BTC for development and marketing after V1 phase

I have following opinions about them:

1) Is the short term value all we care about?
   why destroy it just to have short term gain would not be better to use this NEM
   for other things real life projects and help people to improve their lives.
   I thing it would be nice to have voting on NEM funds usage so comunity members could propose project ideas,
   vote about this projects and decide what for this NEM could be used.

2) This is good if we can have full time development team dedicated to NEM development
   is one of the options that I would accept for example fund nem startups that will develop
   software services for NEM ecosystem.
   Also this way dev team does not need to beg for donations.


3) I think this would be fair and hope that will motivate stakeholders to engage more
   in NEM community but on the other side I'm afraid this could also have a different outcome
   as majority  will receive something for nothing and could dump it.

   Fellow NEM stake holders
   this was call for participation an not an IPO and YOU are called to participate not just watch and wait.

   How to do this:
   talk about NEM to your friend and relatives
   spread the word out
   invest NEM in some real business
   start a business that uses NEM
   help the developer team to code services around NEM
   (design, translate, write,code)
   do other thinks that you are good at to add value to NEM.
   
   
4) I think is good to and could raise the value of NEM also the fund could be used like
   in option 2)


Actually I find only option 1 bad and all other options seems good to me.
Maybe we should put on vote this options mentioned here and let to community decide about the outcome
but I thing this should be when time comes now is still early for this things.

Best regards,
      freigeist
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