Topic: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs - page 1985. (Read 2984135 times)

Okay, I will help you out.

Proposal 1: distribute refunded stakes equally to all stakeholders (this has to be original stakeholders because it seems to complicated to do this with NXT assets I think?)

Dear Nemsters,
 
As you may or may not already know, there have been some changes to the NEM team resulting in a lot of confusion on the Bitcointalk forum.
 
UtopianFuture has left the team, in good faith, and there has subsequently been a reorganization to reflect his departure.meg
 
UtopianFuture had been instrumental in organizing this project, but rest assured that the core development team is still intact. UtopianFuture's main role was coordination, providing direction and management of the voluntary association that is NEM. He was never involved in the coding. Hence, development-wise, the project is not impacted.
 
NEM is based upon the principle of decentralization, such that no single person is indispensable. Since UtopianFuture left, numerous volunteers have  come forward and offered their help. We are in fact honored to know that there are many of you out there who share the same vision as the core development team of creating a new economic movement. We are now stronger than ever and have recruited some of these volunteers to the team to push our ideals forward more aggressively than ever before. Yes, we have since regrouped and are soldiering on to ensure that this project is successful!
 
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As a result of the events that have transpired, there have been many unsubstantiated speculations and postulations about what happened. Most of these statements have been emotionally charged and were without any factual basis. These misleading claims have left the community confused.
 
We would like to take this opportunity to assure you that most of these claims are not true and that it is business as usual for the core team; you should not be influenced at all by some of the characters in the forum that purport otherwise.
 
The last few months have been rather hectic and to complete a project of this size and nature requires a lot of careful planning and design. It has not been easy, but we believe with the able-bodied team that we have, we shall be able to meet our targets.
 
In the meantime, and in order to allay the confusion, we have included links to the only official NEM threads on bitcointalk. We have also included the link to our official NEM websites and forum. If you have any questions regarding the incidents that have caused this confusion, you are most welcome to raise those questions in the forum threads or contact one of the core team members directly.
 
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Due to the incidents in the past, it was decided that a moderated thread would also be created to run alongside the non-moderated thread. Please read xtester's post about why this is necessary here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7350705

Official Links:

• Main moderated NEM thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nem-xem-official-thread-100-new-code-easy-to-use-apis-654845
• Main non-moderated NEM thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nem-official-non-moderated-thread-updates-discussion-650274
• Stake Request/Info Thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nem-new-economy-movement-nemstake-tokens-listed-on-nxt-asset-exchange-650505
• Account/Stake Complaint Thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nem-new-economy-movement-refundaccount-change-requests-complaints-650500

Materials:

Project Information Memorandum:

• https://github.com/makoto1337/NEMlogos/raw/master/handout/NEMhandout.pdf

Websites

• https://twitter.com/nemcoin
• https://www.facebook.com/ourNEM
• http://www.reddit.com/r/nem/
• https://trello.com/b/GEWEPSZJ/nem-promotion
• https://trello.com/b/9psFZ0aQ/nem-ecosystem

If you cannot find the information you need in the links above please do not hesitate to post any question you may have on the relevant NEM thread. A special thanks goes to rockethead, kodtycoon and makoto1337 for putting this together on such short notice. This letter will now be sent to all NEM stakeholders via PM.
 
Thank you very much for your attention.
 
NEM Marketing Team

Why not just distribute the coins to all stakeholders equally?

There is plenty of coins left for development -- 10% is 400 million Nem plus all the BTC you will have with the auction and first  IPO?

wow, how can IPO coins mutate to Dev coins?? Is this true? Should be droped to Stakeholders.

wow, how can IPO coins mutate to Dev coins?? Is this true? Should be droped to Stakeholders.

That should answer your point 1) and 2)
Regarding 4) Unclaimed stakes will most likely become community managed fund (but we'll probably give people 2 months after launch to claim them)

Then makoto1337 has publicly stated (see above) that all unclaimed coins will also go to developer's fund funds.

What to do with unclaimed coins has not yet been decided. One proposal from a few weeks ago that UP made internally was that we use it for trying to get some full-time devs, but nothing is decided completely.

My points are pretty clear,. What exactly do you not understand? We have 25% of stakes controlled by a few people known as "developers" and co. Then makoto1337 has publicly stated (see above) that all unclaimed coins will also go to developer's fund TOO. Nxt was launched just 2 months after IPO and 25% of people never came back to claim their funds. Given much larger delay, this number could be even higher, but lets assume it's 25%

25% + 25% = 50%
 
Half the coins will be in control of very few insiders for "development" purposes of course.

Rest of 3000 stakeholder will have to play with 50%, but amazingly,  the guys  also intend to sell another 150 stakes from that  50% as auction  for more money.

I don't think there have ever been any coin launched (except ripple and a few country coins) with so much centralized control

Eadeqa, I don't know what your agenda is, but it seems very suspicious.

Those stakes are NOT worth 400 BTC because of your efforts as nothing is released. They are worth 400 BTC because of the entire community and supporter.

So let get this straight.

(1) You want 15% of stakes  -- that's 600 stakes for anyone not counting, or 600 million Nem --   (reserved 10% more for future)
(2) You want 66 BTC and several thousand Nxt that were collected during IPO
(3) Now on top of that you want to sell 200 more stakes before the launch for additional 400 BTC (which is essentially a second IPO)
(4) No definite statement made about what you will do with unclaimed stakes.

The whole thing is intended to make 8 "developers" rich very fast before the launch (or just after).

 Good luck to "rest" of the community since if developer dump even 50% of the 15% (300 million) it will tank the prices for all of you bought it on Nxt AE, while developers are already rich.  

Let me address some of the issues.

Regarding dev fund, as of today UF already spend 10.5BTC for UI/UX. And the estimate is another 10btc till Aug.
The dev fund is controlled by dev team, the accounts are in first post.


There are/were two main reasons for public auction:

• get more stakeholder, to have 3000 stakes altogether,
• get funds for future work (mainly for external expenses),
• public auction would most likely be held AFTER BETA.

When it comes to me (and I think I express view of other devs too), I'm here for NEM, not for btc.
Whether public auction will be held (I think it should as it was promised), and how many stakes
will there be, is TBD. We will definitely take Eadeqa's fears and doubts into consideration.
(Give us few days time for some internal discussion)

Regarding 15%, keep in mind there is 400/100/100 split there, so it's not only dev but also promotion and ecosystem.

The 10% reserve, is supposed to go for FUTURE projects and it will be LOCKED (using NEM business rules).

Those stakes are NOT worth 400 BTC because of your efforts as nothing is released. They are worth 400 BTC because of the entire community and supporter.

So let get this straight.

(1) You want 15% of stakes  -- that's 600 stakes for anyone not counting, or 600 million Nem --   (reserved 10% more for future)
(2) You want 66 BTC and several thousand Nxt that were collected during IPO
(3) Now on top of that you want to sell 200 more stakes before the launch for additional 400 BTC (which is essentially a second IPO)
(4) No definite statement made about what you will do with unclaimed stakes.

The whole thing is intended to make 8 "developers" rich very fast before the launch (or just after).

 Good luck to "rest" of the community since if developer dump even 50% of the 15% (300 million) it will tank the prices for all of you bought it on Nxt AE, while developers are already rich.  

Very reasonable IMO. I am an early investor in Nxt and a stake holder in NEM and allow me to chime in my perspective here: Eadeqa's FUD is widely off the mark.

When Nxt was out of the genesis block there were a radom 8 people who held 5% of the total coin each. There were at least two other peope who sent the Btc twice or more and they had 5% of the total coin each too. Comparing to NEM current scheme in which the core dev. get about 2% for doing allmost all the works up to V1 blockchain (which is up to current Nxt blockchain specification as I understand).

I am questioning this Eadeqa's motive. He doesn't care that a random person holding 5% of Nxt but worry so much that a NEM core developer getting 2%? Isn't is suspicisous ? I would demand his explanation before considering any of his FUD request.

As a business owner and a technocrat myself, I believe in hardwork being rewarded. As a regular investor (in other businesses), I am always looking for the clues that the key people of that entities having proper incentives for doing a good job of running the show. As a NEM stakeholder, I think it is the best for NEM that the core dev. and other key peope in marketing and business having a sizeable chunk of NEM so that they have an interest in developing and building NEM for a longer term success.

Add: As a community, we have to treat our developers well. They are NEM founders and deserve to be treated as such.

Let me address some of the issues.

Regarding dev fund, as of today UF already spend 10.5BTC for UI/UX. And the estimate is another 10btc till Aug.
The dev fund is controlled by dev team, the accounts are in first post.


There are/were two main reasons for public auction:

• get more stakeholder, to have 3000 stakes altogether,
• get funds for future work (mainly for external expenses),
• public auction would most likely be held AFTER BETA.

When it comes to me (and I think I express view of other devs too), I'm here for NEM, not for btc.
Whether public auction will be held (I think it should as it was promised), and how many stakes
will there be, is TBD. We will definitely take Eadeqa's fears and doubts into consideration.
(Give us few days time for some internal discussion)

Regarding 15%, keep in mind there is 400/100/100 split there, so it's not only dev but also promotion and ecosystem.

The 10% reserve, is supposed to go for FUTURE projects and it will be LOCKED (using NEM business rules).

Those stakes are NOT worth 400 BTC because of your efforts as nothing is released. They are worth 400 BTC because of the entire community and supporter.

So let get this straight.

(1) You want 15% of stakes  -- that's 600 stakes for anyone not counting, or 600 million Nem --   (reserved 10% more for future)
(2) You want 66 BTC and several thousand Nxt that were collected during IPO
(3) Now on top of that you want to sell 200 more stakes before the launch for additional 400 BTC (which is essentially a second IPO)
(4) No definite statement made about what you will do with unclaimed stakes.

The whole thing is intended to make 8 "developers" rich very fast before the launch (or just after).

 Good luck to "rest" of the community since if developer dump even 50% of the 15% (300 million) it will tank the prices for all of you bought it on Nxt AE, while developers are already rich.  

Eadeqa's concerns are valid. You don't want a killswitch in place like bitcoin (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1009) or NXT. I think our devs are really great people and not just great coders, though, so I hope people can have confidence in the community.

Makoto1337 who codes > Eadeqa who . Suggestion to Eadega: make your own coin. Viva no envy movement 

Did you read this? https://raw.githubusercontent.com/makoto1337/NEMlogos/master/handout/page3.jpg

1) Until V1: core dev gets 10%, which is less than 2% per person (on average). 5% goes to marketing/ecosystem (these are roughly the numbers as UP has laid out before, but remember that distributions of the 15% are up to the discretion of the core team)
2) After V1: 10% of NEM released over time, on average 10% every two months. This is for development and marketing for NEM.

What to do with unclaimed stakes is still being debated, but it is likely they will be used for paying for developing and marketing post-V1.

To be serious and promote NEM and build projects to support everyone, I think it is very reasonable to do the distribution like it is planned. I seriously doubt any of the core devs will dump their stakes. Why would we want to destroy what we created?

Those stakes are NOT worth 400 BTC because of your efforts as nothing is released. They are worth 400 BTC because of the entire community and supporter.

So let get this straight.

(1) You want 15% of stakes  -- that's 600 stakes for anyone not counting, or 600 million Nem --   (reserved 10% more for future)
(2) You want 66 BTC and several thousand Nxt that were collected during IPO
(3) Now on top of that you want to sell 200 more stakes before the launch for additional 400 BTC (which is essentially a second IPO)
(4) No definite statement made about what you will do with unclaimed stakes.

The whole thing is intended to make 8 "developers" rich very fast before the launch (or just after).

 Good luck to "rest" of the community since if developer dump even 50% of the 15% (300 million) it will tank the prices for all of you bought it on Nxt AE, while developers are already rich.  

Those stakes are NOT worth 400 BTC because of your efforts as nothing is released. They are worth 400 BTC because of the entire community and supporter.

So let get this straight.

(1) You want 15% of stakes  -- that's 600 stakes for anyone not counting, or 600 million Nem --   (reserved 10% more for future)
(2) You want 66 BTC and several thousand Nxt that were collected during IPO
(3) Now on top of that you want to sell 200 more stakes before the launch for additional 400 BTC (which is essentially a second IPO)
(4) No definite statement made about what you will do with unclaimed stakes.

The whole thing is intended to make 8 "developers" rich.

Good luck to "rest" of the community since if developer dump even 50% of the 15% (300 million) it will tank the prices for all of you bought it on Nxt AE, while developers are already rich.