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Topic: NEM's leader utopianfuture RETIRED after mistake posting w. sockpuppet acc[SCAM] - page 3. (Read 11022 times)

hero member
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Never back down !!!
I looks like the old NEM thread was locked before I could post my response. In any event, these are my thoughts:

I'm saddened and disappointed by what has happened today. There is no excuse for what utopianfuture did. It's unprofessional to bash another coin anonymously using sockpuppet accounts. It's worse that those same sockpuppet accounts were used to sign up for NEM stakes because that goes directly against NEM's fair distribution principle.

Having said all that, I would like to thank utopianfuture for what he has done for NEM up until now. Without utopianfuture, NEM wouldn't exist. He conceived of the idea and recruited a lot of the core dev team, including myself. He has also done a number of things behind the scenes, including paying some out-of-pocket costs (in fiat).

I've heard from a plurality of the core dev team and they mostly share this sentiment. I'm sure I will hear from the rest of the team at some point over the weekend. But, aside from a lot of extra gossip, this transgression shouldn't impact the development of NEM. utopianfuture is not a developer and has not written a single line of code.

I'm hopeful that NEM will emerge from this situation even stronger. NEM was always built around decentralization and fairness and having a single "leader" is really diametrically opposed to that. NEM needs to have a community, not a leader.

As for myself, can you trust me? That's up to you to decide, but I will share a few things:

1. I've never heard of simcoin.
2. I'm to busy coding to have sockpuppet account.
3. I don't have a multiple personality disorder.

Let's try to move forward instead of living in the past. The open alpha is less than two weeks away!

P.S. The core dev team will be reaching out to the community to find someone to lead the marketing and biz-dev of NEM going forward. Understandably, we want to spend most of our time coding until NEM is ready.

P.P.S. I will be on the #ournem IRC channel for the next half hour if anyone has questions for me.

Awesome! I really like how this situation is handled!

If you need any help with something, feel free to PM me!

This
sr. member
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If some/many of you guys got a few nemstakes with sockpuppet accounts, why can't he get a few nemstakes? You don't really believe you're better than him, do you? Cheesy
legendary
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I'm going to echo jaguar0625 on this, in my own words:

To the NEM 'community' :
Stop whining about needing a f**king leader, man up, and get working on rescuing NEM from this clusterfuck.
You are supposed to be an egalitarian, fair and equal project, but all I see are a bunch of kids looking for a new babysitter.
No-one is going to rescue you, if you won't do it yourself.

The very title of this thread pisses me off; "NEM's leader....."
You shouldn't need a leader, a strong community is what will get results.

I suggest that the first thing someone does is to find out exactly what UP did with sockpuppets and stakes....I've seen a lot of accusations and not very much evidence.
Does he have one stake-holding sock-puppet or 20 ?
Until you know the extent of the damage, you can't fix it.

You didn't actually contribute anything to the solution of the problem, but pointed out the obvious, yet again. So thanks for that and goodnight.
hero member
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I'm going to echo jaguar0625 on this, in my own words:

To the NEM 'community' :
Stop whining about needing a f**king leader, man up, and get working on rescuing NEM from this clusterfuck.
You are supposed to be an egalitarian, fair and equal project, but all I see are a bunch of kids looking for a new babysitter.
No-one is going to rescue you, if you won't do it yourself.

The very title of this thread pisses me off; "NEM's leader....."
You shouldn't need a leader, a strong community is what will get results.

I suggest that the first thing someone does is to find out exactly what UP did with sockpuppets and stakes....I've seen a lot of accusations and not very much evidence.
Does he have one stake-holding sock-puppet or 20 ?
Until you know the extent of the damage, you can't fix it.
newbie
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We believe the NEM's core principles of fairness and equality

utopianfuture u seem like a complete asshole right now! really, shame on u Angry

RIP...
really sad for the other developers who did all the work for u

Yes. Shame on him. He is irredeemable in my eyes. But more importantly, shame on you and TwinWinNerD. It's a good thing and a service to the community to out a coward and a enormous hypocrite, but it is another equally despicable and morally reprehensible act to deride and debase an entire community whos membership is, by large majority, based in earnestness and respectabilty as much as any other on this site or elsewhere. Shame on you and your hostility and self-interest, which I am sure the larger bitcointalk community will come to judge as equally reprehensible to the actions of UtopianFuture.
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Having said all that, I would like to thank utopianfuture for what he has done for NEM up until now. Without utopianfuture, NEM wouldn't exist. He conceived of the idea and recruited a lot of the core dev team, including myself. He has also done a number of things behind the scenes, including paying some out-of-pocket costs (in fiat).

Just words shouldn't be enough. I don't want UP to be totally out, but his developer shares should be cut in half.
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Looking for the next big thing
I looks like the old NEM thread was locked before I could post my response. In any event, these are my thoughts:

I'm saddened and disappointed by what has happened today. There is no excuse for what utopianfuture did. It's unprofessional to bash another coin anonymously using sockpuppet accounts. It's worse that those same sockpuppet accounts were used to sign up for NEM stakes because that goes directly against NEM's fair distribution principle.

Having said all that, I would like to thank utopianfuture for what he has done for NEM up until now. Without utopianfuture, NEM wouldn't exist. He conceived of the idea and recruited a lot of the core dev team, including myself. He has also done a number of things behind the scenes, including paying some out-of-pocket costs (in fiat).

I've heard from a plurality of the core dev team and they mostly share this sentiment. I'm sure I will hear from the rest of the team at some point over the weekend. But, aside from a lot of extra gossip, this transgression shouldn't impact the development of NEM. utopianfuture is not a developer and has not written a single line of code.

I'm hopeful that NEM will emerge from this situation even stronger. NEM was always built around decentralization and fairness and having a single "leader" is really diametrically opposed to that. NEM needs to have a community, not a leader.

As for myself, can you trust me? That's up to you to decide, but I will share a few things:

1. I've never heard of simcoin.
2. I'm to busy coding to have sockpuppet account.
3. I don't have a multiple personality disorder.

Let's try to move forward instead of living in the past. The open alpha is less than two weeks away!

P.S. The core dev team will be reaching out to the community to find someone to lead the marketing and biz-dev of NEM going forward. Understandably, we want to spend most of our time coding until NEM is ready.

P.P.S. I will be on the #ournem IRC channel for the next half hour if anyone has questions for me.

+1
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OP = Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!

UP = I am sorry. I messed up.  I quite. 

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legendary
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What IPO scam?  Most people bought their NEM stake between $5 to $50 and currently hold stake worth $1000 - $1500.  People everyday on this forum lose 100s, 1000s and 10,000s to real IPO scams.

Only thing UtopianFuture did was pad fake popularity back in January (those accounts he made were later taken off the list).  Nowhere as bad as it sounds.  Every new coin / project has sockpuppets advertising it.  You have to, since this forum moves so far and obscure coins go to page 5 within hours.


Please watch what you are saying and protecting. You appear to be the most vocal protecting the image of UP. I am not saying you cannot, but it doesn't give me comfort to know that one is fighting so much in the crowd for the causes of UP. Fact is, he did something that was wrong in the first place and we should not even defend that anymore, unless one also a a finger in the pie.

This is all water under the bridge and need no more discussions about. We should just continue moving along. The more we talk the more ugly discussions will shape up to be.

In any case, this is not a thread to continue all discussions about NEM as it has too much emotions in it. Let's not allow emotions cloud our mind. I have taken the liberty to start a new thread here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-nem-project-the-journey-starts-here-650337

Not protecting his image.  Protecting his actions.  Have you tried starting a coin on this website?  Your coin on the announce section goes from page 1 to page 20, unless you bump it with sockpuppets like UtopianFuture did until NEM gained a community.

If it were my coin / project I would had done the same thing in a heart beat.   You can argue what he did was dishonest but there are far worse crimes in crypto currencies, NxT's distribution and all the IPO scams are indicative of such.

There was a poll thread and close to under 50% was in favour of keeping UtopianFuture on.   You may claim I am the most vocal but I am vocalizing for the silent big minority.  So UtopianFuture padded NEM with fake popularity for awhile?  Who cares.. what I care is that NEM has the best distribution of 3000 stakeholders, with taint analysis, and PoI innovation.




Protecting his actions? What for? He is history. Start a coin from page 1 to page 20? Which one? You got proof to say so? I'd like to see that.

"If it were my coin / project I would had done the same thing in a heart beat..."

The very basis of that statement above made by you makes me doubt your integrity in the first place. And please do not claim to speak for the silent majority if you have nothing to proof so. We live in a world of facts and figures to convince one another. Making statements like that make one feel that you are perhaps UP.

I rest my case, as I do not wish to be embroiled in this and as I said earlier, I don't wish to let emotions get the better of us. Whatever you are doing
now is not going to do good for the community. Really I am  not sure whether you care about NEM moving forward as I don't see any relevance now in as far as what you are trying to say to the crowd.
legendary
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even if true, who knew people act in self interest, and its not like NXT did not cut's its IPO mysteriously short, so what the product is out and stands apart from that.

I add though UTF's error was not the sock puppet but the incompetence in not being able to manage the sock puppet account.
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What IPO scam?  Most people bought their NEM stake between $5 to $50 and currently hold stake worth $1000 - $1500.  People everyday on this forum lose 100s, 1000s and 10,000s to real IPO scams.

Only thing UtopianFuture did was pad fake popularity back in January (those accounts he made were later taken off the list).  Nowhere as bad as it sounds.  Every new coin / project has sockpuppets advertising it.  You have to, since this forum moves so far and obscure coins go to page 5 within hours.


Please watch what you are saying and protecting. You appear to be the most vocal protecting the image of UP. I am not saying you cannot, but it doesn't give me comfort to know that one is fighting so much in the crowd for the causes of UP. Fact is, he did something that was wrong in the first place and we should not even defend that anymore, unless one also a a finger in the pie.

This is all water under the bridge and need no more discussions about. We should just continue moving along. The more we talk the more ugly discussions will shape up to be.

In any case, this is not a thread to continue all discussions about NEM as it has too much emotions in it. Let's not allow emotions cloud our mind. I have taken the liberty to start a new thread here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-nem-project-the-journey-starts-here-650337

Not protecting his image.  Protecting his actions.  Have you tried starting a coin on this website?  Your coin on the announce section goes from page 1 to page 20, unless you bump it with sockpuppets like UtopianFuture did until NEM gained a community.

If it were my coin / project I would had done the same thing in a heart beat.   You can argue what he did was dishonest but there are far worse crimes in crypto currencies, NxT's distribution and all the IPO scams are indicative of such.

There was a poll thread and close to under 50% was in favour of keeping UtopianFuture on.   You may claim I am the most vocal but I am vocalizing for the silent big minority.  So UtopianFuture padded NEM with fake popularity for awhile?  Who cares.. what I care is that NEM has the best distribution of 3000 stakeholders, with taint analysis, and PoI innovation.


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The Easiest way to make money...
PLAY SCAM!!!!  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy
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What IPO scam?  Most people bought their NEM stake between $5 to $50 and currently hold stake worth $1000 - $1500.  People everyday on this forum lose 100s, 1000s and 10,000s to real IPO scams.

Only thing UtopianFuture did was pad fake popularity back in January (those accounts he made were later taken off the list).  Nowhere as bad as it sounds.  Every new coin / project has sockpuppets advertising it.  You have to, since this forum moves so far and obscure coins go to page 5 within hours.


Again, why do you keep normalizing crappy, bullshit behavior? Is the standard of being a filthy liar  something that you want to carry over into the NEM world?

Come to the forum once a while and have a treat today. I have a question for you though. Do you know how many socks/ money BCnext, Qora, Sim, NxtLite developers are puting in their IPO ? No one knows and they are all the same and I believe that is problem with IPO model, especially one with very few investors like Nxt and Qora. In these cases, I consider as given that the dev. has at least 30% of the total coin.

He said he does not profit from any sock account. Take it for what it is worth becasue it is bloody hard to create 1000 sock puppet accounts.
legendary
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What IPO scam?  Most people bought their NEM stake between $5 to $50 and currently hold stake worth $1000 - $1500.  People everyday on this forum lose 100s, 1000s and 10,000s to real IPO scams.

Only thing UtopianFuture did was pad fake popularity back in January (those accounts he made were later taken off the list).  Nowhere as bad as it sounds.  Every new coin / project has sockpuppets advertising it.  You have to, since this forum moves so far and obscure coins go to page 5 within hours.


Please watch what you are saying and protecting. You appear to be the most vocal protecting the image of UP. I am not saying you cannot, but it doesn't give me comfort to know that one is fighting so much in the crowd for the causes of UP. Fact is, he did something that was wrong in the first place and we should not even defend that anymore, unless one also a a finger in the pie.

This is all water under the bridge and need no more discussions about. We should just continue moving along. The more we talk the more ugly discussions will shape up to be.

In any case, this is not a thread to continue all discussions about NEM as it has too much emotions in it. Let's not allow emotions cloud our mind. I have taken the liberty to start a new thread here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-nem-project-the-journey-starts-here-650337
hero member
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What IPO scam?  Most people bought their NEM stake between $5 to $50 and currently hold stake worth $1000 - $1500.  People everyday on this forum lose 100s, 1000s and 10,000s to real IPO scams.

Only thing UtopianFuture did was pad fake popularity back in January (those accounts he made were later taken off the list).  Nowhere as bad as it sounds.  Every new coin / project has sockpuppets advertising it.  You have to, since this forum moves so far and obscure coins go to page 5 within hours.
snr
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This is why IPO coins are all scams.
This is just another way to spread the coins.
hero member
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Come on
There is no scandal
Why a dev get only one stake like everyone
Utopian can have more stakes it is not a scandal it's normal he's working a lot for NEM

Hey Utopian if you want to dump some cheap steak contact me  Wink

You don't get it.
If Utopian want more and claim it public, that's okay.
But he chose using a sockpuppet to get more, that's the problem. Because it against the rule he set it himself.
No body know how many sockpuppet he really have.
And also body know how many sockpuppet his team really have.
newbie
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nem 作者自己开小号到处查小号为彰显公平,估计作者开发不出来了,已经在nxt的ae上出货完了。 Cool

当婊子立牌坊。
legendary
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And to think all the NEM Fanboys got their panties all wrinkled when I dared question UF's motives in delaying the initial launch of the NEMstake.
legendary
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who cares about a launch after a discovery of an insane hoax? people first have to get their mind together and fix their bloody stabbed back. u can not expect us to happily embrace the launch after todays insanity

by the way jaguar how did u not notice what utopianfuture did to u? were u just a mechanical slave?

The comment about being excited about the alpha was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. I don't blame people for being upset. I, myself, am disappointed.

I didn't notice what utopianfuture did because I was too busy coding. I trusted him and others to do the taint analysis. Maybe I misplaced my trust.

This is not a thread to continue all discussions about NEM as it has too much emotions in it. Let's not let emotions cloud our mind. I have taken the liberty to start a new thread here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-nem-project-the-journey-starts-here-650337
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