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March 05, 2018, 12:46:25 PM
Ok, so, as I promised 10 days ago, and given an adequate response to differing opinions:
What about your background? (especially technical expertise) - as I see your university degree is not about IT. Self-taught? Where can I see the results and experience?
That`s a normal question because you hired people earlier in your previous projects and asked for proof of qualification, but I could not find where the evidence of your qualification is provided.
At least - github profile, moreover: successful projects.
There are two common ways to demonstrate founder's qualification:
1. Demonstration of strong technical skills, especially in mathematics (and this way can be anonymous, given everyone's favorite example: Satoshi.) But your scientific solutions should be at a brilliant level.
2. Full disclosure of your personality and achievements, and example again: Colin LeMahieu which combines the first paragraph with great background (such as LLVM Software Tools Engineer at Qualcomm).
As I can see you are not anonymous for personal reasons because of your photo, phone number, linkedin profile and so on.
But I can`t see neither your code nor your professional background.
I looked at your posts: most about ICO, financial perspectives, skams and like that. I did not find branches with serious technical analysis. And even in this thread the main issue is the distribution of coins, but not the solution of the technical problem for which the project is created (Yes, I've read that you will publish information about it later). In addition to the problem of unfair distribution through existing airdrops, I did not see the main milestones. Moreover, we all understand that with the listing on the exchanges: there will be no equality of holders, so it is a large effort to create the illusion of equality (or equal start) for a short time.
No matter who we list from successful platform founders: utopianfuture and clemahieu or even V. Buterin and Satoshi - they are all technical geniuses that it was clear in their work and vector work (you can see first posts on bitcointalk from NEM and Raiblocks founders - all were about maths and IT solutions). Are you strong enough in these directions?
Frankly speaking, I was surprised by the amount of profanity and in-depth analysis of fraudulent schemes by various strange projects on bitcointalk in your posts.

Also weird moment with the search for Nevra`s developer. Usually people know at least a few developers when working in this field, especially considering that Java is not such a rare programming language. In addition, you have already had past projects, but there is not a single suitable contact. You decide to look for an unfamiliar person but you do not inform in an open form that you can do by yourself.
Almost all serious projects write new code and do not use leftovers from the fork in the end. Can you do it as well?
In addition, a large team of qualified specialists is already working on NEM, for example. Taking into account the financial success of the project for this day.
You plan to improve the existing code during the year by finding a couple of developers on the forum (with a basic level of qualification, according to the requirements that I saw.)
On my view success is possible only if you are extremely gifted specialist.

There are several development trends for this year:
1. Anonymity (yes even more than now), but you said that the existing level in NEM is ok and nothing needs to be changed, so in this direction specialized currencies such as XSPES will be ahead.
2. Solving the problem with transactions and fees (preferably zero fees) and it is not important DAG or not.
3. Unification and harmonization of the various blockchains.
All these questions require infinitely talented developers.

P.S. It was all written because I saw in you something different from the crowd. If initially it seemed the obvious failure, I would not waste time on this post, and would write just well done, I'm in, all the success and so a couple of sentences to get to the list.
Please give truthful answers as possible. I think this will help many people who have questions about the part I mentioned. Thanks in advance.


Thanks for your thoughtful questions and would be happy to answer them.

1) In regards to my technical experience, it's minimal, hence why i'm actively recruiting a Java developer. My technical experience with blockchains goes as far as understanding code and compiling and running the code, and verifying if everything is properly done. As far as writing/coding blockchains, that's not where my expertise lye's. I've always been a leader and investor. I have a well-rounded background in EE, a bachelors, so my experience with understanding concepts is pretty intensive.

I'm not looking into bringing in any contacts i've known prior, because most are busy with other projects or have left crypto entirely. Bringing in certain developers also creates drama for their past experiences, and i want to mitagate that, because then Nevra woulden't be about Nevra fully, it'd be about that person's background on that last coin. It both has drawbacks and benefits ofc. Nevra is a coin for the community by the community, i'm just supplying the materials to build the car, the car needs to be assembled.

2) As far as your heavier technical qualifications goes, it doesn't pertain to Nevra. We aren't re-writing the wheel here, and we aren't seeking any type of funds for even doing this distribution. You've mistaken Nevra for the other 1000s of shitcoins that are out there today. The goal of Nevra's testnet will be towards adding features and optimizing the blockchain minimal, so that it appears and acts in a different manner than NEM.

In regards to NEM, Utopianfuture and etc, they didn't re-create the wheel either. NEM is a fork off of NXT, while they claim to re-written all the code, i suspect it was due to the lack of fully running a NXT fork, due to code not being fully available. Thus, they just re-wrote NXT's code structure and created a different version. There are technical modifications to the blockchain, but at the heart of NEM, it's ultimately is a NXT 2.0.

Utopianfuture was not a technical guy, he was just the guy who came up with the idea of NEM, i don't believe he had any technicial background. By the time NEM was released, Utopian was long gone from NEM, due to the controversy of claiming double stakes.

I could get into details in regards to other developers, but just know they raised Millions in funds (directly or indirectly) to recruit top talent, but we are discussing the top 20 coins here. At a later time, Nevra will be in the same position, but it will take some time, a lot of effort and a bit of luck.

3) In regards to development, again we aren't going to re-create the wheel here. You misunderstand the purpose of Nevra, and what we are trying to achieve here. The entire goal and purpose of this project was born out of passion and disgust for what has been occurring on BTT. Many "devs" and scammers seek millions of USD in funding for a basic ERC20 token, or an infrastructure that was forked off of other coins, and ultimately re-branded.

The goal with Nevra is to basically due away with all the bullshit and return to the roots of crypto. The reason we are going to fork off of NEM instead of creating a brand new ERC20 token, or merely forking a POS coin, is because it will greatly enhance the appeal of this coin, and to show that with a bit of effort you can create something special. It will not take a lot of effort to add a few features, to make Nevra an original coin on the markets. We aren't trying to compete for the top TPS, or best anonymity, we are trying to really upset all airdrops and airdropped coin distributions, showing how it can be done, and how it supposed to be done. As this project gains more traction, there will be a broader interest to really pull in talent.

Lastly, NEM was founded by the community, you underestimate the amount of talent that lurks on BTT. You also said the egalitarian principal is invalid once the coin hits on an exchange, well getting listing on an exchange is not the ultimate goal. I would believe saying egalitarianism on an exchange is almost trivial, because principals and foundations are not started on an exchange, the start with the team and community behind the coin.

If there is anything i unanswered, let me know. Hope this helps a bit

Just gived you 2 Merit points, this is the ideal dev, i am also reading all your replies and getting surprised, I think, if i would get a stake of Nevra, I would never sell my coins, i must state that if you gather a team, find a good developper, Moon will not be a hard goal to achieve! Smiley
When i see your efforts, your answers, your great support to the project, i must state that you are Satoshi 2.0 Cheesy
Let's see what will happen in the upcoming days, i'm sure there will be a great success followed by a lot of hard work and a little bit of luck as you have said in your reply.
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March 05, 2018, 11:52:47 AM
Moreover, we all understand that with the listing on the exchanges: there will be no equality of holders, so it is a large effort to create the illusion of equality (or equal start) for a short time.
Your reply is this thread I saw so far the most wonderful post, I carefully read your post, forgive my understanding of the blockchain is not deep enough, I can not fully understand you the contents of the post, but I agree with your words, this is not absolute equality in the world. Nevra is not truly absolutely equality, but they have been trying to do the best, We should recognize their efforts.
jr. member
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March 05, 2018, 11:18:19 AM
Thanks for your answers, this is how I understood the project, so I asked these questions to clarify the technological aspects. I realized that it is about the vision, positioning, etc. not about complex mathematical formulas. And competing with others after starting the network will be even harder in order to get to the top 100 as you said (because it will be mainly in positioning and marketing).
I do not deny that there are a lot of talents on the forum, including developers. But why they should choose you from a professional point of view is not specified. Usually developers choose either a more skilled tech leader or a successful businessman / investor.
"I've always been a leader and investor" - if you publish your successes in this direction, I think the team will come together faster.
jr. member
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March 05, 2018, 10:13:14 AM
thanks for update. What is the update going to discuss? Maybe you find a JAVA developer soon. Is it mandatory to be part of discord group? never used it. Like the btctalk forum more. but that's just my opinion.

Yea lets hope they find a Java Developer soon  Wink . i dont think joining the discord group is mandatory but if you want to know more about the people in the community discord is a good place for that Cheesy
newbie
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March 05, 2018, 08:51:16 AM
thanks for update. What is the update going to discuss? Maybe you find a JAVA developer soon. Is it mandatory to be part of discord group? never used it. Like the btctalk forum more. but that's just my opinion.
hero member
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March 05, 2018, 08:20:14 AM
I like how the dev team manage the community, TheMovement is Having the same model of distributions and also seeking active participation of the community to help develop the project.

If you need any help just PM me and will try to help the project as much as i could.
jr. member
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March 05, 2018, 07:38:56 AM
Ok, so, as I promised 10 days ago, and given an adequate response to differing opinions:
What about your background? (especially technical expertise) - as I see your university degree is not about IT. Self-taught? Where can I see the results and experience?
That`s a normal question because you hired people earlier in your previous projects and asked for proof of qualification, but I could not find where the evidence of your qualification is provided.
At least - github profile, moreover: successful projects.
There are two common ways to demonstrate founder's qualification:
1. Demonstration of strong technical skills, especially in mathematics (and this way can be anonymous, given everyone's favorite example: Satoshi.) But your scientific solutions should be at a brilliant level.
2. Full disclosure of your personality and achievements, and example again: Colin LeMahieu which combines the first paragraph with great background (such as LLVM Software Tools Engineer at Qualcomm).
As I can see you are not anonymous for personal reasons because of your photo, phone number, linkedin profile and so on.
But I can`t see neither your code nor your professional background.
I looked at your posts: most about ICO, financial perspectives, skams and like that. I did not find branches with serious technical analysis. And even in this thread the main issue is the distribution of coins, but not the solution of the technical problem for which the project is created (Yes, I've read that you will publish information about it later). In addition to the problem of unfair distribution through existing airdrops, I did not see the main milestones. Moreover, we all understand that with the listing on the exchanges: there will be no equality of holders, so it is a large effort to create the illusion of equality (or equal start) for a short time.
No matter who we list from successful platform founders: utopianfuture and clemahieu or even V. Buterin and Satoshi - they are all technical geniuses that it was clear in their work and vector work (you can see first posts on bitcointalk from NEM and Raiblocks founders - all were about maths and IT solutions). Are you strong enough in these directions?
Frankly speaking, I was surprised by the amount of profanity and in-depth analysis of fraudulent schemes by various strange projects on bitcointalk in your posts.

Also weird moment with the search for Nevra`s developer. Usually people know at least a few developers when working in this field, especially considering that Java is not such a rare programming language. In addition, you have already had past projects, but there is not a single suitable contact. You decide to look for an unfamiliar person but you do not inform in an open form that you can do by yourself.
Almost all serious projects write new code and do not use leftovers from the fork in the end. Can you do it as well?
In addition, a large team of qualified specialists is already working on NEM, for example. Taking into account the financial success of the project for this day.
You plan to improve the existing code during the year by finding a couple of developers on the forum (with a basic level of qualification, according to the requirements that I saw.)
On my view success is possible only if you are extremely gifted specialist.

There are several development trends for this year:
1. Anonymity (yes even more than now), but you said that the existing level in NEM is ok and nothing needs to be changed, so in this direction specialized currencies such as XSPES will be ahead.
2. Solving the problem with transactions and fees (preferably zero fees) and it is not important DAG or not.
3. Unification and harmonization of the various blockchains.
All these questions require infinitely talented developers.

P.S. It was all written because I saw in you something different from the crowd. If initially it seemed the obvious failure, I would not waste time on this post, and would write just well done, I'm in, all the success and so a couple of sentences to get to the list.
Please give truthful answers as possible. I think this will help many people who have questions about the part I mentioned. Thanks in advance.
jr. member
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March 05, 2018, 05:51:43 AM
By read the white paper, I know the author wants to express a completely free and equal idea.That's a good idea.
I'm willing to support your project.
But I have a suggestion:
There can be no absolute fairness in the world.And many people hold multiple Forum Accounts.
So,We must invent a way to prevent these people repeatedly get coins 。



I doubt if there's a way this can be successfully done. There will always be cheaters. People can even post with multiple accounts and that won't be visible to the lead developer.

We can get a very close distribution that's fair, but no method is perfect. The goal is to minimize the amount of puppets that will flood the Nevra's ANN in hopes of accumilating more than 1 stake, it simply will not be tolerated.

I'm going to be releasing the critera for puppet filtering within 2 weeks of this post. This will shed a lot of light on how puppet accounts work, and how to mitigate them.

Hello, TK. I am one moderator of the HC.blockchain forum and I have posted this post on my board to let more people know this very good project. http://www.hongico.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=23408&extra=page%3D1
I will keep on make my effort for this project.

Thank you for your efforts. This is a good and bad marketing. I'm not looking for airdrop sites to promote Nevra, in fact i don't want any promotions from Airdrop outlets to be promoting Nevra, it almost adds no value, since that's where most people who are prepared to take any action (or already have) to fake the airdrop forms.

But i truly do appreciate all and any efforts to further market Nevra

tk808, hello

Nevra - community coin and it great, but no all community very well know english  Cheesy

We have ( at now ) 7 translations topics. Mb if we\you chose ppl ( moderator ) that can confirm post from another on local topics it help increase amount of community ?  Smiley


The users posting in International topics will be counted for the distribution. They will be the last users to be filtered during the Nevra process by the team. Their names will not be reflected on the stakeholder's sheet immediately or anytime soon, due to the language barrier and the extra time and effort needed to translate their topics.



Final Thoughts

1) We are nearing the final weeks of this distribution, roughly 3-weeks remaining left to claim a NevraStake, and as it stands, there will not be 1000 qualified stakeholders for Nevra. There has been no effort by the team to filter any accounts as of yet, but it's pretty clear to me that there are individuals who will take any opportunity to penetrate this system. This will not be tolerated, and you will not be getting more than 1 stake.

2) I'm still looking for 1 Java Dev, i have a complete technical roadmap already done and some basic testing on Nem's structure. If there are developers out there, please contact me immediately so we can begin working. Your efforts in forking and enhancing NEM's blockchain will not go unrewarded, i can guarantee you that.

3) I'm going to be doing something a bit different for this weekly update, and i'll be posting a status update about this distribution, and where we are headed in a few hours.

4) Lastly, if you have any questions, i highly recommend you joining discord and asking them there. Because, to fully support this project we need to utilize a quick form of communication through discord, to get the community to build and gain traction there.

https://discordapp.com/invite/BjFGVeR

Thanks for the update, I am keeping an eye out for the Spanish section. I hope one good Java dev steps forward soon so we can keep on track with the milestones. It needs a push now in the beginning if it is going t be successful. Every project needs a good start, more than even in this bear market. Community, tech and trust are still the pillars of any worthwhile project, and I hope Nevra will proove to be one of them.
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March 05, 2018, 04:50:29 AM
In addition to bitcointalk, I think it is possible to set up some communication platforms such as telegrams and QQ groups for more people to participate in this project. I think this is a feasible solution.

There is already a discord group set up for Nevra https://discordapp.com/invite/BjFGVeR and a reddit group here https://www.reddit.com/r/Nevra/

Discord especially is a good place to get involved in the community and get to know people a bit more.
jr. member
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March 05, 2018, 03:40:42 AM
Hello Everyone  Grin lets help them find a stable testnet and stable java developer. please if you know someone pm tk808 or pm devs on discord https://discordapp.com/invite/BjFGVeR
newbie
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March 05, 2018, 03:04:53 AM
Seems it will be one of the good projects.
newbie
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March 05, 2018, 03:02:43 AM
my project seems really impressive
newbie
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March 05, 2018, 02:41:22 AM
I have a good idea.Each transaction can be Shared to the social circle, and if someone clicks on that information, they are rewarded.
sr. member
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March 05, 2018, 02:19:25 AM

I like the different approach in this airdrop taken to be a more egalitarian coin. I'll still drop my 2 cents on its equality though.

If you were to do an airdrop to all addresses of a specific crypto at a certain time (e.g. All ETH addresses over 0.5 ETH receive 1 stake or all BTC addresses over 0.01 receive 1 stake etc.), similar to what a lot of new airdrop coins do, I think in some ways that's more egalitarian. It means people who have not heard of Nevra but are somewhat involved in the crypto community may eventually hear about Nevra and still have a stake in it. As it stands now, people who do not hear about this coin or this thread will not get a stake and have to buy it in the open market. In some ways this is unfair.

However, your approach to the airdrop being given for constructive comments on the thread may cause people to actually think about the benefits of Nevra. Simply airdropping a set amount to every address may just cause people uninterested in it to sell it whenever it hits an exchange. I think posting something constructive gives people a reason to keep the stake when they do get it. Perhaps to make it more egalitarian there should be a set amount of stakes not in circulation for anyone willing to post constructive comments even after the March 31 deadline. However, this does have the potential to be abused with duplicate accounts and people just looking for a quick sell once they get the stake.

I agree, the stake rewards will be based on constructive and active participation in the Nevra project, hence your activity here is important. The philosophical approach of the airdrop based on egalitarian principle is an idea for the team to attract the best minds in the BTC domain and abroad to be part of this venture. There are certain skill sets required in a project like this and this is exactly what this project aim to achieve based on its distribution method.
sr. member
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March 05, 2018, 01:22:28 AM
In addition to bitcointalk, I think it is possible to set up some communication platforms such as telegrams and QQ groups for more people to participate in this project. I think this is a feasible solution.
jr. member
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March 05, 2018, 01:11:23 AM
This is another interesting project.. Nevra caught my attention when seeing it saying Equality, Freedom,and Trust.
I like the way Nevra uses the fundamental priciples on the Airdrop that is based on is equality of the distribution, trust behind the creator's process and the freedom of participating without any authority requiring any intrusive framework to enter.
And that way I would like to join this very good project and I hope you would allow me..
Thank you and Goodluck to the Devs and to this awesome project.
sr. member
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March 04, 2018, 11:55:04 PM
This link to the Hindi translation in the OP is dead. If its been deleted by a mod mustafa.k786 should have been sent a pm explaining the reason for it. Benson Samuel controls the Hindi board. It was probably his decision to remove the thread. Maybe it was posted in the wrong section.


                 Hindi - mustafa.k786 (87,500 XEV)

jr. member
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March 04, 2018, 11:24:07 PM
Cool  Shocked  no one user will have more weight than another and only one distribution period will occur.  i like how the distribution will work it will create the most fair welldistributed and trusted airdropped coin to date. Grin
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March 04, 2018, 10:53:45 PM
Like dumh said, What is true in ANN thread its 125,000,000 and in the white paper said its 1,250,000.Can you please enlightened me about this? I'm really interested on this project.
That's simple. They forgot to change it. Initially the plan was for a total of 1.250.000 nevra, and the 1000 stake holders would have recive 1000 nevra. THen they change the plan (and announced this) and the total supply is now 125.000.000 nevra and each holder will get 100.000 nevra. So each member will be entitled to the same amount. They raised the supply 100x and the holders will get 100x more.
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March 04, 2018, 10:37:41 PM
Nerva looks very interesting indeed. I like the distribution method chosen. It keeps Nevra in discussion and solidifies the community presence. The website and graphics are clean! Well done! Cool
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