Topic: New Official AMT Thread - page 142. (Read 149472 times)
Well to be fair he did spam like 50 or 60 times wheres my refund in all caps. That generally is just poor form. That being said all they have to do is email him or he them and hopefully get a reply that way.
amt_miner instead of deleting my posts why cant u simply pick up my call or reply to me when am i getting my refund!
+1
Its absurd. They take the time to delete our posts but refuse to communicate. And they wonder why they're being sued...
amt_miner instead of deleting my posts why cant u simply pick up my call or reply to me when am i getting my refund!
AMT, since you are in design mode for the 2-3TH rigs, any particular reason you haven't thought about feeding in 24vdc (or 48v)? In the multi-kw range much much cheaper per/w and hugely lowers the currents to 1/2-1/4 (48v) that connectors & traces have to handle.
Safe bet the core supply buck converters would be happier about it as well.
Safe bet the core supply buck converters would be happier about it as well.
We're headed in that direction like most of the industry.
There's hope for this industry yet! Guess folks had to get out of the 'super PC' average consumer mindset and treat these for what they are no matter what chipset is used: very hungry power devices that just so happen to do math for coin mining/BTC exchange verification.
AMT, since you are in design mode for the 2-3TH rigs, any particular reason you haven't thought about feeding in 24vdc (or 48v)? In the multi-kw range much much cheaper per/w and hugely lowers the currents to 1/2-1/4 (48v) that connectors & traces have to handle.
Safe bet the core supply buck converters would be happier about it as well.
Safe bet the core supply buck converters would be happier about it as well.
We're headed in that direction like most of the industry.
AMT, since you are in design mode for the 2-3TH rigs, any particular reason you haven't thought about feeding in 24vdc (or 48v)? In the multi-kw range much much cheaper per/w and hugely lowers the currents to 1/2-1/4 (48v) that connectors & traces have to handle.
Safe bet the core supply buck converters would be happier about it as well.
Oh - needless to say but, fusing. Ifin' yer gonna have a single high-current source then per-NEC guidelines you MUST limit the current per feed conductor to whatever the wiring/connector is rated for! (part of what sets the ATX PSU design guidelines) Best is either a lot of in-line fuses or a fuse panel along these lines http://www.ebay.com/bhp/12v-fuse-panel
A 200+ amp supply feeding a short at the end of say even 16ga wire triplet is gonna make a nice fire...
Safe bet the core supply buck converters would be happier about it as well.
Oh - needless to say but, fusing. Ifin' yer gonna have a single high-current source then per-NEC guidelines you MUST limit the current per feed conductor to whatever the wiring/connector is rated for! (part of what sets the ATX PSU design guidelines) Best is either a lot of in-line fuses or a fuse panel along these lines http://www.ebay.com/bhp/12v-fuse-panel
A 200+ amp supply feeding a short at the end of say even 16ga wire triplet is gonna make a nice fire...
+10 for ya then! ^ ^
Along those lines, design tip for AMT: if the watts per GH/s of the A1's stays the same for the 2-3 TH/s rigs... Then using off-the shelf PC psu's made primarily for gamers is certainly not going to cut it. At simple scaling we are looking at what, 3-4kw? Better plan on spec'ing only 208-240vac in.
Yes they can provide x number of kw but - the loading from graphics cards (doing video, not CUDA or other such things) is highly dynamic ranging from not too bad, say 50% or less up to hitting max for maybe several minutes before dropping again.. The PSU's currently used are designed with that in mind. opieum2, if ya gt a chance it would be nice to have some actual voltage measurements close to the PCIe plugs to see if/how much this is currently a valid concern..
Not the case with miners. Once miners get their rear in gear and start hashing it is a continuous load. No loafing times. 24x7x365. Ya' know. Like servers?
http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/hot-swappable-rcp2000.shtml
1.2kw per module would be a good start. I've seen others that are 3kw/module @12vdc and Platinum rated (96% efficiency) ta boot.
edit: found the link to the 3kw modules http://www.artesyn.com/power/power-supplies/websheet/529/DS3000TE
Along those lines, design tip for AMT: if the watts per GH/s of the A1's stays the same for the 2-3 TH/s rigs... Then using off-the shelf PC psu's made primarily for gamers is certainly not going to cut it. At simple scaling we are looking at what, 3-4kw? Better plan on spec'ing only 208-240vac in.
Yes they can provide x number of kw but - the loading from graphics cards (doing video, not CUDA or other such things) is highly dynamic ranging from not too bad, say 50% or less up to hitting max for maybe several minutes before dropping again.. The PSU's currently used are designed with that in mind. opieum2, if ya gt a chance it would be nice to have some actual voltage measurements close to the PCIe plugs to see if/how much this is currently a valid concern..
Not the case with miners. Once miners get their rear in gear and start hashing it is a continuous load. No loafing times. 24x7x365. Ya' know. Like servers?
http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/hot-swappable-rcp2000.shtml
1.2kw per module would be a good start. I've seen others that are 3kw/module @12vdc and Platinum rated (96% efficiency) ta boot.
edit: found the link to the 3kw modules http://www.artesyn.com/power/power-supplies/websheet/529/DS3000TE
I still say the best solution for AMT & Bitmine would be to just use a REAL 1.5-2kw +12v server supply like in the link I've given further back. Bolt PCIe pwr cables to the buss lugs and then just a simple tab or other small regulator fed from the 12v rail to give the 5v needed for the Pi & backplane. Whole PSU issue solved.
We're working on something like that yes.
I still say the best solution for AMT & Bitmine would be to just use a REAL 1.5-2kw +12v server supply like in the link I've given further back. Bolt PCIe pwr cables to the buss lugs and then just a simple tab or other small regulator fed from the 12v rail to give the 5v needed for the Pi & backplane. Whole PSU issue solved.
Just curious, does anyone actually have a verified working 1.2T miner yet?
Mostly. Mine mines at 1.2Ths for a while but I noticed some power sags. My guess is that the PSU is not up to snuff despite the wattage on it. Each rail is getting fed around 20A-25A which may not be enough. The PSUs that AMT recommended have the following +3.3V@25A,+5V@25A,+12V1@110A,+12V2@50A, [email protected],[email protected] noting the 2 12V rails being at 110A and 12V2 at 50A. This should resolve the issue. It appears that the AMT systems are volted differently than the stock coincraft machines which I think was mentioned in this thread or another one. So it might make sense why it would work like this.
But as far as reliable and consistent mining I have not experienced that quite yet. I want to test with AMT's recommended PSU's before saying its 2 faulty miners. I have been working at this trial and error. If the PSU's work then I will get a 24/48/72 hour test out with stats from that. I will have them tomorrow so I can start posting some preliminary results then. I figure if I use AMTs recommended setup then there is no excuse why it should not work. The chips are being detected and the hardware is showing up...its just not hashing due to the power issue. Casey also had a similar problem and just added more problem and it worked for him.
But because poserko loshia is withholding information and does not want to share his vast knowledge with the world, it appears we will never see them fixed /sarcasm
If a rail/cabling can't support the load voltage will dip well below that range. eg, I had a Corsair CX600M (modular cables) power an Ant. Total load 'only' 410-415w and yet at the connector voltage was down to 11.15vdc. The cable was noticeably warm as well from the power drop. The non-modular CX600's are giving 11.6 at the connector because they use separate cabling for PCIe power
Well from what I am seeing different PSUs have different amp ratings per rail. They likely were picked for the fact that they can supply alot more power per rail. Least that is how it looks like. I will post up some findings tomorrow. If I still have the power problems well...you will know that too. Then at least we can all be in the same boat. I will attempt to reach out to AMT though just the same in the event I can get some support on this.
Just curious, does anyone actually have a verified working 1.2T miner yet?
Mostly. Mine mines at 1.2Ths for a while but I noticed some power sags. My guess is that the PSU is not up to snuff despite the wattage on it. Each rail is getting fed around 20A-25A which may not be enough. The PSUs that AMT recommended have the following +3.3V@25A,+5V@25A,+12V1@110A,+12V2@50A, [email protected],[email protected] noting the 2 12V rails being at 110A and 12V2 at 50A. This should resolve the issue. It appears that the AMT systems are volted differently than the stock coincraft machines which I think was mentioned in this thread or another one. So it might make sense why it would work like this.
But as far as reliable and consistent mining I have not experienced that quite yet. I want to test with AMT's recommended PSU's before saying its 2 faulty miners. I have been working at this trial and error. If the PSU's work then I will get a 24/48/72 hour test out with stats from that. I will have them tomorrow so I can start posting some preliminary results then. I figure if I use AMTs recommended setup then there is no excuse why it should not work. The chips are being detected and the hardware is showing up...its just not hashing due to the power issue. Casey also had a similar problem and just added more problem and it worked for him.
But because poserko loshia is withholding information and does not want to share his vast knowledge with the world, it appears we will never see them fixed /sarcasm
If a rail/cabling can't support the load voltage will dip well below that range. eg, I had a Corsair CX600M (modular cables) power an Ant. Total load 'only' 410-415w and yet at the connector voltage was down to 11.15vdc. The cable was noticeably warm as well from the power drop. The non-modular CX600's are giving 11.6 at the connector because they use separate cabling for PCIe power
AMT is probably ignoring this thread now so that they can say in court that they were not monitoring this thread so they didn't know issues were going on.
So, I would say everyone should regularly copy each page and copy and paste it into an email to AMT and politely say, hey, just in case you didn't notice, here is the thread link and there are customers that need your attention.
That way, when the case goes to discovery mode, they cant say they didn't see these emails and all these comments in this thread will be discoverable.
I'm sending them a friendly email right now copying this pages thread
If everyone else can as well that may make them at least start replying to items in this thread as they cant say "they didn't know". But I'm sure they'll begin blocking my email address so if everyone does it, they cant block everyone.
Loshia, you need to keep off this thread as you have no useful comments, and as I said before, you are the one giving AMT ammunition in court to say they were harassed by you which is the reason they are not replying in this thread.
So, I would say everyone should regularly copy each page and copy and paste it into an email to AMT and politely say, hey, just in case you didn't notice, here is the thread link and there are customers that need your attention.
That way, when the case goes to discovery mode, they cant say they didn't see these emails and all these comments in this thread will be discoverable.
I'm sending them a friendly email right now copying this pages thread
If everyone else can as well that may make them at least start replying to items in this thread as they cant say "they didn't know". But I'm sure they'll begin blocking my email address so if everyone does it, they cant block everyone.Loshia, you need to keep off this thread as you have no useful comments, and as I said before, you are the one giving AMT ammunition in court to say they were harassed by you which is the reason they are not replying in this thread.
He doesn't care. he is a sadistic asshole who only just trolls and wishes death on people (the old thread he makes the comment then backs off it claiming he never said what he actually said). I read other posts in other threads and its alot more of the same thing. I warned him....now I am going into anti-troll mode. I wont stop until everyone knows the deal with him. There are a few other people who have put him on ignore. But that doesn't matter. People like him just have to be pushed out and fed their own medicine so to speak. He likely will just create another account but his shitty English will just reveal who he is.
That all said your idea is actually quite good. Makes alot of sense if people need to do that. Also depends on their data retention of their email as well. And if they are hosting or local. There are a number of things that could go south here. But either way if that is the route people are going then yea likley things could play out with the discovery of emails.
AMT is probably ignoring this thread now so that they can say in court that they were not monitoring this thread so they didn't know issues were going on.
So, I would say everyone should regularly copy each page and copy and paste it into an email to AMT and politely say, hey, just in case you didn't notice, here is the thread link and there are customers that need your attention.
That way, when the case goes to discovery mode, they cant say they didn't see these emails and all these comments in this thread will be discoverable.
I'm sending them a friendly email right now copying this pages thread If everyone else can as well that may make them at least start replying to items in this thread as they cant say "they didn't know". But I'm sure they'll begin blocking my email address so if everyone does it, they cant block everyone.
Loshia, you need to keep off this thread as you have no useful comments, and as I said before, you are the one giving AMT ammunition in court to say they were harassed by you which is the reason they are not replying in this thread.
So, I would say everyone should regularly copy each page and copy and paste it into an email to AMT and politely say, hey, just in case you didn't notice, here is the thread link and there are customers that need your attention.
That way, when the case goes to discovery mode, they cant say they didn't see these emails and all these comments in this thread will be discoverable.
I'm sending them a friendly email right now copying this pages thread
If everyone else can as well that may make them at least start replying to items in this thread as they cant say "they didn't know". But I'm sure they'll begin blocking my email address so if everyone does it, they cant block everyone.Loshia, you need to keep off this thread as you have no useful comments, and as I said before, you are the one giving AMT ammunition in court to say they were harassed by you which is the reason they are not replying in this thread.
Well too late on that. they are the authors of this thread. There is no way that claim would fly. They created another thread I am sure anyone with a halfway decent computer skills will figure out how to use httrack to download the thread or look at the historical forum as well.
Yes, they are the authors, but company email is their actual property and once you have a lawsuit, it is illegal for them to delete any emails that pertain to the lawsuit. So from a legal perspective, its fully discoverable. So any messages can be used by the legal team to show the judge or jury for the case.
For the thread to be discoverable, bitcointalk would probably have to get a subpoena as well to lock the thread and to copy and send everything in it to the legal team. Or they could say its not their property as they are not the true owners of this forum. I just don't know the rules for these types of forums but I'm sure they can wiggle out of it, but I know the rules for email quite well.
There is precedent. Yelp cases against reviewers are one instance which can be used as an example here. While its vendors against customers the legal part of note is the fact that the yelp posts at all could be used. So if the legal team decide to do discovery to identify who said what, that can be the case there. But its going to be very well established that AMT_Miners is AMT. And all the posts are already archived so the mods just have to hand it over. Also depends on legal jurisdiction on where bitcointalk is. And if they are willing to give that info up. Lotta unknowns in that. BUT could be workable with what is as it is now.
Yes, if possible I would like a refund. I see they have stopped selling the 1.2T miners, and hope they will just refund the money.
The simple truth is that they are selling total crap dude. 1.2 3T or whatever you can call itThat is what is called a scam....
And again no useful comments. troll and useless human being. Nothing of value to say. I am not a corporation. I don't have any promises to fulfill. Noone is paying me. But I do take great joy in making you look like the sadistic ass you are. You have wished death on people. You have practically loled at the misery of the AMT customers. I want to make you look like the pathetic sack of shit you are. Since you love taking pleasure in other peoples pain I will make sure you feel some too. Like I said I will make it my fucking mission to discredit you in every fucking thread.
For the record I am fucking relentless when I want to be. You will know the meaning of pain with me following your every move on this forum. Consider that. You will lose ALL credibility with your stupid ass hero status. I warned you I will be your personal fucking troll UNLESS you post something useful. And you have not yet.
AMT is probably ignoring this thread now so that they can say in court that they were not monitoring this thread so they didn't know issues were going on.
So, I would say everyone should regularly copy each page and copy and paste it into an email to AMT and politely say, hey, just in case you didn't notice, here is the thread link and there are customers that need your attention.
That way, when the case goes to discovery mode, they cant say they didn't see these emails and all these comments in this thread will be discoverable.
I'm sending them a friendly email right now copying this pages thread If everyone else can as well that may make them at least start replying to items in this thread as they cant say "they didn't know". But I'm sure they'll begin blocking my email address so if everyone does it, they cant block everyone.
Loshia, you need to keep off this thread as you have no useful comments, and as I said before, you are the one giving AMT ammunition in court to say they were harassed by you which is the reason they are not replying in this thread.
So, I would say everyone should regularly copy each page and copy and paste it into an email to AMT and politely say, hey, just in case you didn't notice, here is the thread link and there are customers that need your attention.
That way, when the case goes to discovery mode, they cant say they didn't see these emails and all these comments in this thread will be discoverable.
I'm sending them a friendly email right now copying this pages thread
If everyone else can as well that may make them at least start replying to items in this thread as they cant say "they didn't know". But I'm sure they'll begin blocking my email address so if everyone does it, they cant block everyone.Loshia, you need to keep off this thread as you have no useful comments, and as I said before, you are the one giving AMT ammunition in court to say they were harassed by you which is the reason they are not replying in this thread.
Well too late on that. they are the authors of this thread. There is no way that claim would fly. They created another thread I am sure anyone with a halfway decent computer skills will figure out how to use httrack to download the thread or look at the historical forum as well.
Yes, they are the authors, but company email is their actual property and once you have a lawsuit, it is illegal for them to delete any emails that pertain to the lawsuit. So from a legal perspective, its fully discoverable. So any messages can be used by the legal team to show the judge or jury for the case.
For the thread to be discoverable, bitcointalk would probably have to get a subpoena as well to lock the thread and to copy and send everything in it to the legal team. Or they could say its not their property as they are not the true owners of this forum. I just don't know the rules for these types of forums but I'm sure they can wiggle out of it, but I know the rules for email quite well.
I send this whole hunk of junk back. They can just give me my 1.2 th with that new style pbc, where the chips aren't daisy chained. I don't know how many chips on that board but if it works any better and if they've received them I'd love to see if they run as they should.
New board?Could you provide some refs,to this info?
you know the board the squared off one they were posting in the other thread that you made a big stink about. I don't believe I saved a picture of it, but I'll look through and post it as an edit to this post if I find it.
dont bother doing it for him. He is just a useless non-contributor here. What have you seen him post that has been of actual use besides implying I told you so type comments and calling Josh Poserko? That pretty much his whole motto may as well make it his signature.
Show some facts here and stop to leak amt ass
The facts we know so far
A lot of money spent for psu plus two diplomas which mean you are educated person :
Start to act such some
And again no useful comments. troll and useless human being. Nothing of value to say.
What I can say that you are intentionally hiding that crap is not working
First find the quote that states I have two diplomas in anything. You won't because I haven't.
And again no useful comments. troll and useless human being. Nothing of value to say. I am not a corporation. I don't have any promises to fulfill. Noone is paying me. But I do take great joy in making you look like the sadistic ass you are. You have wished death on people. You have practically loled at the misery of the AMT customers. I want to make you look like the pathetic sack of shit you are. Since you love taking pleasure in other peoples pain I will make sure you feel some too. Like I said I will make it my fucking mission to discredit you in every fucking thread.
For the record I am fucking relentless when I want to be. You will know the meaning of pain with me following your every move on this forum. Consider that. You will lose ALL credibility with your stupid ass hero status. I warned you I will be your personal fucking troll UNLESS you post something useful. And you have not yet.
AMT is probably ignoring this thread now so that they can say in court that they were not monitoring this thread so they didn't know issues were going on.
So, I would say everyone should regularly copy each page and copy and paste it into an email to AMT and politely say, hey, just in case you didn't notice, here is the thread link and there are customers that need your attention.
That way, when the case goes to discovery mode, they cant say they didn't see these emails and all these comments in this thread will be discoverable.
I'm sending them a friendly email right now copying this pages thread If everyone else can as well that may make them at least start replying to items in this thread as they cant say "they didn't know". But I'm sure they'll begin blocking my email address so if everyone does it, they cant block everyone.
Loshia, you need to keep off this thread as you have no useful comments, and as I said before, you are the one giving AMT ammunition in court to say they were harassed by you which is the reason they are not replying in this thread.
So, I would say everyone should regularly copy each page and copy and paste it into an email to AMT and politely say, hey, just in case you didn't notice, here is the thread link and there are customers that need your attention.
That way, when the case goes to discovery mode, they cant say they didn't see these emails and all these comments in this thread will be discoverable.
I'm sending them a friendly email right now copying this pages thread
If everyone else can as well that may make them at least start replying to items in this thread as they cant say "they didn't know". But I'm sure they'll begin blocking my email address so if everyone does it, they cant block everyone.Loshia, you need to keep off this thread as you have no useful comments, and as I said before, you are the one giving AMT ammunition in court to say they were harassed by you which is the reason they are not replying in this thread.
Well too late on that. they are the authors of this thread. There is no way that claim would fly. They created another thread I am sure anyone with a halfway decent computer skills will figure out how to use httrack to download the thread or look at the historical forum as well.
I send this whole hunk of junk back. They can just give me my 1.2 th with that new style pbc, where the chips aren't daisy chained. I don't know how many chips on that board but if it works any better and if they've received them I'd love to see if they run as they should.
New board?Could you provide some refs,to this info?
you know the board the squared off one they were posting in the other thread that you made a big stink about. I don't believe I saved a picture of it, but I'll look through and post it as an edit to this post if I find it.
dont bother doing it for him. He is just a useless non-contributor here. What have you seen him post that has been of actual use besides implying I told you so type comments and calling Josh Poserko? That pretty much his whole motto may as well make it his signature.
Show some facts here and stop to leak amt ass
The facts we know so far
A lot of money spent for psu plus two diplomas which mean you are educated person :
Start to act such some
And again no useful comments. troll and useless human being. Nothing of value to say.
What I can say that you are intentionally hiding that crap is not working
And again no useful comments. troll and useless human being. Nothing of value to say. I am not a corporation. I don't have any promises to fulfill. Noone is paying me. But I do take great joy in making you look like the sadistic ass you are. You have wished death on people. You have practically loled at the misery of the AMT customers. I want to make you look like the pathetic sack of shit you are. Since you love taking pleasure in other peoples pain I will make sure you feel some too. Like I said I will make it my fucking mission to discredit you in every fucking thread.
For the record I am fucking relentless when I want to be. Consider that. You will lose ALL credibility with your stupid ass hero status. I warned you I will be your personal fucking troll UNLESS you post something useful. And you have not yet.
AMT is probably ignoring this thread now so that they can say in court that they were not monitoring this thread so they didn't know issues were going on.
So, I would say everyone should regularly copy each page and copy and paste it into an email to AMT and politely say, hey, just in case you didn't notice, here is the thread link and there are customers that need your attention.
That way, when the case goes to discovery mode, they cant say they didn't see these emails and all these comments in this thread will be discoverable.
I'm sending them a friendly email right now copying this pages thread If everyone else can as well that may make them at least start replying to items in this thread as they cant say "they didn't know". But I'm sure they'll begin blocking my email address so if everyone does it, they cant block everyone.
Loshia, you need to keep off this thread as you have no useful comments, and as I said before, you are the one giving AMT ammunition in court to say they were harassed by you which is the reason they are not replying in this thread.
So, I would say everyone should regularly copy each page and copy and paste it into an email to AMT and politely say, hey, just in case you didn't notice, here is the thread link and there are customers that need your attention.
That way, when the case goes to discovery mode, they cant say they didn't see these emails and all these comments in this thread will be discoverable.
I'm sending them a friendly email right now copying this pages thread
If everyone else can as well that may make them at least start replying to items in this thread as they cant say "they didn't know". But I'm sure they'll begin blocking my email address so if everyone does it, they cant block everyone.Loshia, you need to keep off this thread as you have no useful comments, and as I said before, you are the one giving AMT ammunition in court to say they were harassed by you which is the reason they are not replying in this thread.
Yes it terms of customer service they may be alike but georgio stuff works
And again no useful comments. troll and useless human being. Nothing of value to say. I am not a corporation. I don't have any promises to fulfill. Noone is paying me. But I do take great joy in making you look like the sadistic ass you are. You have wished death on people. You have practically loled at the misery of the AMT customers. I want to make you look like the pathetic sack of shit you are. Since you love taking pleasure in other peoples pain I will make sure you feel some too. Like I said I will make it my fucking mission to discredit you in every fucking thread.
For the record I am fucking relentless when I want to be. You will know the meaning of pain with me following your every move on this forum. Consider that. You will lose ALL credibility with your stupid ass hero status. I warned you I will be your personal fucking troll UNLESS you post something useful. And you have not yet.
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