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I've made some parlay bets that I could say were pretty wasteful from a financial standpoint. Basically just throwing money away, which I could see how that could be considered a waste. However, when I put a 20 leg parlay up with 15,000:1 odds, I'm not doing it thinking it will be a good investment. I'm doing it thinking about how fun it will be to see how long the parlay stays alive. The rush and feeling you get from the "what if" thought that crosses your mind. That's what I'm paying for. If you gamble right, it's never a waste. Always get something out of it.

To be honest you have a very good mindset, placing a bet without expecting to win is a carefree positive thought, you are ready to lose the money you bet with the aim of having fun, i understand that feeling. Not many gamblers can think like that, to not expect to win is of course very difficult. And it's true that nothing is wasted if it can give a sense of satisfaction within, this feeling is very difficult to express, adrenaline makes a person become more alive.

Yes, this should be the right way to think and if you think this in this way you have a strong character and you dont need to use tricks like the monthly budget
since you can keep everything under control alone
I really respect this kind of men, who know how to keep their primordial impulses at bay!

About primordial impulses, this is a very interesting comparison.

And here's what I thought. And indeed, the origins of the passion in gambling go back to primitive communal society and are connected with the dominance of males or maybe alpha males over other males of this community.
The method that he told us OgNasty about is partly a deep manifestation of male willpower and independence. And in this you can see the value of such a style of play. Although of course it is a waste of money, but it also gives you a feeling of pleasure and fun. And by the way, confirmation of your strength is that you can easily afford to play in this style.

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Quote from: Pandorak on February 04, 2025, 11:17:20 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on January 30, 2025, 03:30:35 PM

I've made some parlay bets that I could say were pretty wasteful from a financial standpoint. Basically just throwing money away, which I could see how that could be considered a waste. However, when I put a 20 leg parlay up with 15,000:1 odds, I'm not doing it thinking it will be a good investment. I'm doing it thinking about how fun it will be to see how long the parlay stays alive. The rush and feeling you get from the "what if" thought that crosses your mind. That's what I'm paying for. If you gamble right, it's never a waste. Always get something out of it.

To be honest you have a very good mindset, placing a bet without expecting to win is a carefree positive thought, you are ready to lose the money you bet with the aim of having fun, i understand that feeling. Not many gamblers can think like that, to not expect to win is of course very difficult. And it's true that nothing is wasted if it can give a sense of satisfaction within, this feeling is very difficult to express, adrenaline makes a person become more alive.

Those who understand the real purpose of gambling will sure have no problems having such feeling before every bet, it actually involved training oneself into it, for I remember vividly when I started gambling newly, I used to be very hopeful in every bet I place, believing I would win, sometimes or most times rather, I see myself already calculating the things I would buy with the money I am to win from a bet, this is a bet which it's match may not even have started, but eventually, I ended up losing most of such bets and this always left me very disappointed and angry, like someone who's future plans has been destroyed completely.

With time, this loses began to teach me a very useful lessons to never depend or put hope on any of the bets I placed, in fact, I even learnt to already consider the money I intend using to place a bet; lost even while I am yet to place the bet, this helps me that if paradventure, the bet end up losing, I don't feel bad or regret anything because the money I spent on the bet had already been lost before it's actual loss.
This is something I believe will be beneficial to us all as gamblers if we can learn it.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 30, 2025, 03:30:35 PM

I've made some parlay bets that I could say were pretty wasteful from a financial standpoint. Basically just throwing money away, which I could see how that could be considered a waste. However, when I put a 20 leg parlay up with 15,000:1 odds, I'm not doing it thinking it will be a good investment. I'm doing it thinking about how fun it will be to see how long the parlay stays alive. The rush and feeling you get from the "what if" thought that crosses your mind. That's what I'm paying for. If you gamble right, it's never a waste. Always get something out of it.

To be honest you have a very good mindset, placing a bet without expecting to win is a carefree positive thought, you are ready to lose the money you bet with the aim of having fun, i understand that feeling. Not many gamblers can think like that, to not expect to win is of course very difficult. And it's true that nothing is wasted if it can give a sense of satisfaction within, this feeling is very difficult to express, adrenaline makes a person become more alive.

Yes, this should be the right way to think and if you think this in this way you have a strong character and you dont need to use tricks like the monthly budget
since you can keep everything under control alone
I really respect this kind of men, who know how to keep their primordial impulses at bay!

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Quote from: Pandorak on February 04, 2025, 11:17:20 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on January 30, 2025, 03:30:35 PM

I've made some parlay bets that I could say were pretty wasteful from a financial standpoint. Basically just throwing money away, which I could see how that could be considered a waste. However, when I put a 20 leg parlay up with 15,000:1 odds, I'm not doing it thinking it will be a good investment. I'm doing it thinking about how fun it will be to see how long the parlay stays alive. The rush and feeling you get from the "what if" thought that crosses your mind. That's what I'm paying for. If you gamble right, it's never a waste. Always get something out of it.

To be honest you have a very good mindset, placing a bet without expecting to win is a carefree positive thought, you are ready to lose the money you bet with the aim of having fun, i understand that feeling. Not many gamblers can think like that, to not expect to win is of course very difficult. And it's true that nothing is wasted if it can give a sense of satisfaction within, this feeling is very difficult to express, adrenaline makes a person become more alive.

However, even with such a style of play, somewhere in the depths of the brain there still appears a thought about a potential, although extremely unlikely, win. And it is this thought that represents the value and even, one might say, the charm of such a game. And all this makes fun and an interesting pastime possible for such a player.
I also approve of this approach to the game, but only sometimes not very often, precisely in such a mood, when there is simply a desire to have fun and enjoy yourself.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 30, 2025, 03:30:35 PM

I've made some parlay bets that I could say were pretty wasteful from a financial standpoint. Basically just throwing money away, which I could see how that could be considered a waste. However, when I put a 20 leg parlay up with 15,000:1 odds, I'm not doing it thinking it will be a good investment. I'm doing it thinking about how fun it will be to see how long the parlay stays alive. The rush and feeling you get from the "what if" thought that crosses your mind. That's what I'm paying for. If you gamble right, it's never a waste. Always get something out of it.

To be honest you have a very good mindset, placing a bet without expecting to win is a carefree positive thought, you are ready to lose the money you bet with the aim of having fun, i understand that feeling. Not many gamblers can think like that, to not expect to win is of course very difficult. And it's true that nothing is wasted if it can give a sense of satisfaction within, this feeling is very difficult to express, adrenaline makes a person become more alive.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on February 03, 2025, 04:16:03 PM

Its only when the purpose to why every gambler is gambling has been defined, then it may only be as throwing away of one and the best as a waste to many, since they couldn't achieve any of their desired targets from gambling, that is why it is also very important that we know ourselves very well, what we want form gambling and the kind of gambler we are, when all this are dealt with, it becomes easy for us to gamble without any stress of thinking any bet we place is a waste once we do not win.

Well, honestly speaking, without all this things you have mentioned, no bet is still a waste really because before placing a bet, you hardly can tell if you will end up winning or losing on that bet, and the reason why even a losing bet is not a waste and should not even be ever considered as such is because, one can't win without betting, you as a gambler will have to place bets first, then wait for the match to be played to see if you win or lose, a match you would have won, if you do not bet, you won't make any money from it because you did not bet.

It's just the same as the old saying that "it's better to try and fail, than to not even try at all", for in our trying and failing, a lesson is (perhaps) learnt, regardless of how small, but in not trying at all, nothing is learnt, and we all know that knowledge is a vital tool or ingredient we need to keep getting better and better in life generally.
So, a bet is never a waste, even if and when the bet is lost, for it could have as well been a win, would we have still considered the same bet a waste?

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 30, 2025, 03:30:35 PM

I've made some parlay bets that I could say were pretty wasteful from a financial standpoint. Basically just throwing money away, which I could see how that could be considered a waste. However, when I put a 20 leg parlay up with 15,000:1 odds, I'm not doing it thinking it will be a good investment. I'm doing it thinking about how fun it will be to see how long the parlay stays alive. The rush and feeling you get from the "what if" thought that crosses your mind. That's what I'm paying for. If you gamble right, it's never a waste. Always get something out of it.

This is a truly emotionally interesting game action. Of course, I would say that it is exciting and it can definitely bring great pleasure and funny entertainment from such a game. But actually those players who are looking for just pleasure in games and do not strive to play with the main goal of earning money, can quite afford to play in this style. Even despite the fact that the money set aside for gambling will quickly go beyond the limit of acceptable expenses.

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But if you do it for fun it is never a waste, because the purpose in that case is having fun!
And putting that purpose, you will only put the money you can safely throw away, since you psychologically know that it is a bet not to win but to have fun;
It is precisely the mental condition with which you make the bet to change everything.

Can you tell us what do you mean by this!! He will place a bet he knows it's not going to win, but it?s ok because this is what gambling is about?
Sorry but I didn?t get your point here. Do you mind to explain it a bit further.

Very simple to understand, he square bets based on his mood: sometimes he puts them easy sometimes difficult. Since the aim is to have fun does not care to win.
So even the money he puts in the bet accordingly will be few since he has a monthly budget for this purpose
understand now?

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Quote from: xenomorfo on February 03, 2025, 04:48:07 AM

But if you do it for fun it is never a waste, because the purpose in that case is having fun!
And putting that purpose, you will only put the money you can safely throw away, since you psychologically know that it is a bet not to win but to have fun;
It is precisely the mental condition with which you make the bet to change everything.

Can you tell us what do you mean by this!! He will place a bet he knows it's not going to win, but it’s ok because this is what gambling is about?
Sorry but I didn’t get your point here. Do you mind to explain it a bit further.

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Its only when the purpose to why every gambler is gambling has been defined, then it may only be as throwing away of one and the best as a waste to many, since they couldn't achieve any of their desired targets from gambling, that is why it is also very important that we know ourselves very well, what we want form gambling and the kind of gambler we are, when all this are dealt with, it becomes easy for us to gamble without any stress of thinking any bet we place is a waste once we do not win.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 30, 2025, 03:30:35 PM

I've made some parlay bets that I could say were pretty wasteful from a financial standpoint. Basically just throwing money away, which I could see how that could be considered a waste. However, when I put a 20 leg parlay up with 15,000:1 odds, I'm not doing it thinking it will be a good investment. I'm doing it thinking about how fun it will be to see how long the parlay stays alive. The rush and feeling you get from the "what if" thought that crosses your mind. That's what I'm paying for. If you gamble right, it's never a waste. Always get something out of it.

It still has astronomically higher change to win than with jackpot of a generic lottery, and lottery is pretty much closest to throwing money in a fire, then actual fire.
Still people do it, for basically same reason you described doing. It's fun to see the outcome.

People doing lottery or lottery like odds gambling are happiest when the have placed the bet. Because they feel there's a change, and that rises their feeling of self importance in grand scheme of things. Just to imagine themselves winning, makes them feel more important, and like they would have a destiny. It's a psychological unconscious mind trick, tapped my marketing to make cash from these feelings. If people would be evolutionary build to fully feel and understand meaning of big numbers and statistics, there wouldn't be much of these kind of gamblers.

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Quote from: xenomorfo on February 03, 2025, 04:48:07 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on January 30, 2025, 03:30:35 PM

I've made some parlay bets that I could say were pretty wasteful from a financial standpoint. Basically just throwing money away, which I could see how that could be considered a waste. However, when I put a 20 leg parlay up with 15,000:1 odds, I'm not doing it thinking it will be a good investment. I'm doing it thinking about how fun it will be to see how long the parlay stays alive. The rush and feeling you get from the "what if" thought that crosses your mind. That's what I'm paying for. If you gamble right, it's never a waste. Always get something out of it.

But if you do it for fun it is never a waste, because the purpose in that case is having fun!
And putting that purpose, you will only put the money you can safely throw away, since you psychologically know that it is a bet not to win but to have fun;
It is precisely the mental condition with which you make the bet to change everything.

To each, their own. Though I personally believe going for such odds is a little bit of an exaggeration, like... one is over killing it. When I bet occasionally, I would like to have an actual and tangible percentage of success and not to go as far as going for what some people would consider to be "wasting money" or gambling it away.
Perhaps, it is because I am a rather pessimistic gambler and never have "what if" thoughts when my chances of winning are so tiny I barely can say I have a chance.

Anyways, each one of us have the right to decide how to throw away our money, if we made something out of it, then it is a win. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 30, 2025, 03:30:35 PM

I've made some parlay bets that I could say were pretty wasteful from a financial standpoint. Basically just throwing money away, which I could see how that could be considered a waste. However, when I put a 20 leg parlay up with 15,000:1 odds, I'm not doing it thinking it will be a good investment. I'm doing it thinking about how fun it will be to see how long the parlay stays alive. The rush and feeling you get from the "what if" thought that crosses your mind. That's what I'm paying for. If you gamble right, it's never a waste. Always get something out of it.

But if you do it for fun it is never a waste, because the purpose in that case is having fun!
And putting that purpose, you will only put the money you can safely throw away, since you psychologically know that it is a bet not to win but to have fun;
It is precisely the mental condition with which you make the bet to change everything.

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I've made some parlay bets that I could say were pretty wasteful from a financial standpoint. Basically just throwing money away, which I could see how that could be considered a waste. However, when I put a 20 leg parlay up with 15,000:1 odds, I'm not doing it thinking it will be a good investment. I'm doing it thinking about how fun it will be to see how long the parlay stays alive. The rush and feeling you get from the "what if" thought that crosses your mind. That's what I'm paying for. If you gamble right, it's never a waste. Always get something out of it.

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If we think of any bet being a waste then it will not make any sense for us to keep gambling and playing casino games or even betting, at all since we already have a basic truthful understanding about gambling which is that you lose more than you win and the house is always at advantage, that back up warning alone will teach you to adjust yourself while gambling and making sure that you only gamble with an amount that if you lose it, you can still be fine and healthy, unlike some fork's, who thinks that they can gain from the gambling market thereby making them put in too much risk and ending up in crisis.

But some actually do still gain, and massively as a matter of fact, recently (a day before yesterday if I still remember well) a dude was trending on X(formally known as Twitter) here in Nigeria, why? Because he managed to win around 138 million naira from a 50,000 naira bet on sportybet, I saw the bet ticket myself (unfortunately I forget to save a copy of it on my phone, should have shared it with us here) and it's completely mind-blowing, it shows how lucky some persons can really be in sports betting and gambling in general.

Imagine staking just 50,000 naira which is approximately around $30.8 dollars on a few football games, and ending up winning 138 million naira which is exactly $84,923.07 dollars, how many X(s) is this?, it's a huge profit and this is how gambling can turn out to be a huge blessing to those who get extremely lucky in the process.

Some days are like that, the casinos may have eaten a lot from the dude that won that 138 million bucks before he hard that life-changing jackpot, so yeah gambling can still change someone's life if you are destined to be a jackpot winner at any point in time, and for sure we have to bear also in mind that as much as you see this story, it just a few among the many that are brought on social media, we still have some gambler who won't share their winning online and could just decide to keep mute and celebrate alone, but this winning also is a big one and worth being mentioned to at least celebrate victory over the casinos after many losses of the past.

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Women are only more intelligent than men when it comes to managing and saving money, that's all there is, when it comes to life in general, women are no where near being intelligent than men are, you believe that women are more intelligent than men, then you are being delusional.

And when it comes to who lives longer than, women in general actually do live longer than men, and the reason is simple, women think less, work less, take way lesser risk than men, the only natural pain women go through is child birth, which most of them today even avoid by simply giving birth through cs.
Men on the other hand have to work really hard, take alot of risk, can't count the number of times I've gambled and lost big money, yet, I hid it from my wife because she will be so mad at me, and I still made sure to provide for her and my children still.

thanks, i thought i would get an insult since i had given this little trick
we women are also more spendthrift than men, so i simply recommended a strategy that i use to control myself.
when i go into certain shops i always leave with something in hand, so i used this rule to rule myself and to have mental order

Women have less risk taking capacity. And although women are more emotional than men, they can control themselves when it comes to gambling because women care more about money than men. Women are very stingy which keeps them away from high risk. It gives good results to women in many cases. If you are a woman you will find these traits in yourself. I see such traits in my wife. And he is always against gambling. When I gamble I have to hide from her.

I had to bold my area of concern to this discussion.

Well I just want to dive in on the gambling aspect of your discussion about women not taking that much risk in gamble which I don't completely agree with. I have had contact with women gamblers that plays risky games that most male gamblers wouldn't even myself.

I think your wives are against you guys spending money on gambling because they are not gamblers so to them you're wasting money and it's okay if they get to be mad about that. If they were gamblers they would have understood better why you spend the money you do on gambling.

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Quote from: Odusko on January 29, 2025, 05:29:50 PM

If we think of any bet being a waste then it will not make any sense for us to keep gambling and playing casino games or even betting, at all since we already have a basic truthful understanding about gambling which is that you lose more than you win and the house is always at advantage, that back up warning alone will teach you to adjust yourself while gambling and making sure that you only gamble with an amount that if you lose it, you can still be fine and healthy, unlike some fork's, who thinks that they can gain from the gambling market thereby making them put in too much risk and ending up in crisis.

But some actually do still gain, and massively as a matter of fact, recently (a day before yesterday if I still remember well) a dude was trending on X(formally known as Twitter) here in Nigeria, why? Because he managed to win around 138 million naira from a 50,000 naira bet on sportybet, I saw the bet ticket myself (unfortunately I forget to save a copy of it on my phone, should have shared it with us here) and it's completely mind-blowing, it shows how lucky some persons can really be in sports betting and gambling in general.

Imagine staking just 50,000 naira which is approximately around $30.8 dollars on a few football games, and ending up winning 138 million naira which is exactly $84,923.07 dollars, how many X(s) is this?, it's a huge profit and this is how gambling can turn out to be a huge blessing to those who get extremely lucky in the process.

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Quote from: Odusko on January 29, 2025, 05:29:50 PM

If we think of any bet being a waste then it will not make any sense for us to keep gambling and playing casino games or even betting, at all since we already have a basic truthful understanding about gambling which is that you lose more than you win and the house is always at advantage, that back up warning alone will teach you to adjust yourself while gambling and making sure that you only gamble with an amount that if you lose it, you can still be fine and healthy, unlike some fork's, who thinks that they can gain from the gambling market thereby making them put in too much risk and ending up in crisis.

I think this, somehow we have to have fun.
If the bet for fun is considered time and money lost then even playing the playstation and time and lost money.
Then even go out on a bike or go to the beach to walk it is lost time, and money.

Everything we do to relax and have fun is not lost time, obviously if we do not exaggerate.

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Quote from: Z_MBFM on January 27, 2025, 01:43:56 PM

Women have less risk taking capacity. And although women are more emotional than men, they can control themselves when it comes to gambling because women care more about money than men.

I don't believe all these, both men and women are humans who have varying qualities. Some men are more emotional than women, oh yes, and some women are braver than women. This is random among gender and I will not take anything different from that because I talk from a real-life experience. However, what helps women is that they are widely perceived to be taken care of by their men, so that financial burdens and desperation for money do not befall them like men. This will make them take more informed and calculated risks and show restraint than men.

But of course, there will be some exceptions depending on the woman and the responsibility on their shoulders.

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In addition to everything we have noted here, various events constantly occur in the life of any person and life circumstances change. For example, it often happens that a person, an avid player in this case, who is used to playing with a certain amount that he can safely spend in the game, suddenly loses some source of income, for example, his employer fires him at his main job. And the habit of spending approximately the same amount on the game every month remains. But the amount provided for the game immediately becomes too large and begins to affect life. By the way, this is a very unpleasant situation in the life of a player who is used to playing and getting pleasure from it.
And as a result, you have to make a difficult decision either to play as before and get problems with money, or to stop spending on the game and lose such pleasure.
By the way, for example, when a player retires and his income drops sharply, approximately this situation occurs.

You are absolutely right, in the course of life there are many events and further on you go over time and therefore with the age and everything worsens.
I read a philosopher, i dont remember what is called Tiziano Terzani, can it be? However he said that we live in the illusion of being eternal and we always postpone things to do
In the end all the knots come to the comb, so you will have a huge amount of things to do later huuuuge

Great quote, mate!
That's exactly how it happens, a person most likely begins to feel it only when he begins to grow old and begins to regret how much good and kind he has not done and begins to understand that he will not do it.

Quote from: suzanne5223 on January 29, 2025, 05:06:22 PM

The circumstance you pointed out could change everything but things that are more important in this type of situation are what the gamblers have to make their top priority, not the gambling game which s/he always play for a certain reason to avoid addiction because when gamblers intention was to make more money through gambling they easily lost control of their buzz.

Yeah. It's really easy to lose control of your enjoyment of a game that's going really well for you. I've been through this myself quite a few times. Only later, after a while, when the adrenaline in your blood is neutralized, you begin to realize that something happened to your brain and the brakes failed and logic didn't work as it should have. This definitely happens, I think, to all players.

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