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Topic: [NRS|NoirShares] POW ENDING at 50k | DACs | MANDATORY WALLET UPDATE 6/23/2014 - page 40. (Read 141638 times)

hero member
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It would be nice if coins had a self-destructing kill switch in the event that said coin(s) was/were flagged as stolen.


That is one of the single best ideas I've seen.

If someone could figure it out to destroy the stolen coins > this would create a hole where new coins are needed so the volume stays the same > patch the blockchain with new coins to a new address where the victim would be given back their losses and volume would be back to original number

this would create an insurance type of system, and it would also gain trust with the public

Heh after the 'anonymity' fad wears off this might just be a thing. I could imagine a wallet offering 3rd party 2FA in return for a slightly higher transaction fee.

This seems like it would be abused and become the crypto equivalent of a chargeback. Things need to be trustless.

there is details to be worked out, but things cannot be trustless

we need trust in the system otherwise nothing will ever work

do you go to work not trusting the guarantee that your employer will give you a paycheck?

of course you don't, you trust your employer otherwise why even go to work

this would mean a middleman being involved and certain regulations would have to be put in place in order to guarantee the transaction

That goes against what bitcoin is all about. Middleman = centralization. When you have to trust you open the door for corruption.
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250

It would be nice if coins had a self-destructing kill switch in the event that said coin(s) was/were flagged as stolen.


That is one of the single best ideas I've seen.

If someone could figure it out to destroy the stolen coins > this would create a hole where new coins are needed so the volume stays the same > patch the blockchain with new coins to a new address where the victim would be given back their losses and volume would be back to original number

this would create an insurance type of system, and it would also gain trust with the public

Heh after the 'anonymity' fad wears off this might just be a thing. I could imagine a wallet offering 3rd party 2FA in return for a slightly higher transaction fee.

This seems like it would be abused and become the crypto equivalent of a chargeback. Things need to be trustless.

there is details to be worked out, but things cannot be trustless

we need trust in the system otherwise nothing will ever work

do you go to work not trusting the guarantee that your employer will give you a paycheck?

of course you don't, you trust your employer otherwise why even go to work

this would mean a middleman being involved and certain regulations would have to be put in place in order to guarantee the transaction
hero member
Activity: 540
Merit: 500

It would be nice if coins had a self-destructing kill switch in the event that said coin(s) was/were flagged as stolen.


That is one of the single best ideas I've seen.

If someone could figure it out to destroy the stolen coins > this would create a hole where new coins are needed so the volume stays the same > patch the blockchain with new coins to a new address where the victim would be given back their losses and volume would be back to original number

this would create an insurance type of system, and it would also gain trust with the public

Heh after the 'anonymity' fad wears off this might just be a thing. I could imagine a wallet offering 3rd party 2FA in return for a slightly higher transaction fee.

This seems like it would be abused and become the crypto equivalent of a chargeback. Things need to be trustless.
hero member
Activity: 617
Merit: 528

It would be nice if coins had a self-destructing kill switch in the event that said coin(s) was/were flagged as stolen.


That is one of the single best ideas I've seen.

If someone could figure it out to destroy the stolen coins > this would create a hole where new coins are needed so the volume stays the same > patch the blockchain with new coins to a new address where the victim would be given back their losses and volume would be back to original number

this would create an insurance type of system, and it would also gain trust with the public

Heh after the 'anonymity' fad wears off this might just be a thing. I could imagine a wallet offering 3rd party 2FA in return for a slightly higher transaction fee.
hero member
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Merit: 500
FYI - I have stepped down as COO of NoirGroup.  If anyone has any questions, please feel free to ask me privately.

I wish you all the best on this coin...

.68 GF shares available if you're interested.


Sorry to see that your leaving. I personally wish you all the best.



Thank you, I appreciate that!  You'll still see me around as I am a GF investor (more than the .5 I'm selling) and still have an interest in NRS.
member
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FYI - I have stepped down as COO of NoirGroup.  If anyone has any questions, please feel free to ask me privately.

I wish you all the best on this coin...

.68 GF shares available if you're interested.


Sorry to see that your leaving. I personally wish you all the best.

hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 500
FYI - I have stepped down as COO of NoirGroup.  If anyone has any questions, please feel free to ask me privately.

I wish you all the best on this coin...

.68 GF shares available if you're interested.
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250

It would be nice if coins had a self-destructing kill switch in the event that said coin(s) was/were flagged as stolen.


That is one of the single best ideas I've seen.

If someone could figure it out to destroy the stolen coins > this would create a hole where new coins are needed so the volume stays the same > patch the blockchain with new coins to a new address where the victim would be given back their losses and volume would be back to original number

this would create an insurance type of system, and it would also gain trust with the public
newbie
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If i was a hacker and had access (to my system for example), i could simply hit send and boom - coins sent, at least from the NRS wallet.  It's basically wide open, unless i'm totally missing something.
You can encrypt your wallet, then you need to enter a password whenever you try to send coins. If thats not safe enough, you can use multisig addresses. Using those it basically becomes impossible for the attacker to steal your coins unless he has compromised all of your computers. The downside is that it becomes very time consuming to send coins.
legendary
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Good point about the abuse aspect. I bring to mind the kill-switch ideas for mobile phones and how badly those plans work or are intended to work.  Definitely requires some more thought.

However, what may be easier is simply some authentication in place on the wallet that requires a correct passcode before actually sending any coins. As it stands now, it is simply too easy to transfer coins.  Break in to the system, and the bank is yours.  If there was some sort of authentication on not only accessing the wallet itself, but also the 'send' function, i do believe it would drastically reduce the number of successful thefts.


I believe wallets do have it. They are usually locked (unless minting) and require password to sign the transaction. Though gaining access to victim's computer may allow key logging, especially if it's administrative access.

If i was a hacker and had access (to my system for example), i could simply hit send and boom - coins sent, at least from the NRS wallet.  It's basically wide open, unless i'm totally missing something.
sr. member
Activity: 427
Merit: 250

Good point about the abuse aspect. I bring to mind the kill-switch ideas for mobile phones and how badly those plans work or are intended to work.  Definitely requires some more thought.

However, what may be easier is simply some authentication in place on the wallet that requires a correct passcode before actually sending any coins. As it stands now, it is simply too easy to transfer coins.  Break in to the system, and the bank is yours.  If there was some sort of authentication on not only accessing the wallet itself, but also the 'send' function, i do believe it would drastically reduce the number of successful thefts.


I believe wallets do have it. They are usually locked (unless minting) and require password to sign the transaction. Though gaining access to victim's computer may allow key logging, especially if it's administrative access.
legendary
Activity: 854
Merit: 1000
That would maybe explain the 10k NRS sell wall that i saw yesterday.  The volume last 4-5 days has been literally x2-x3 what it normally has been, with the diff remaining relatively constant.  

It would be nice if coins had a self-destructing kill switch in the event that said coin(s) was/were flagged as stolen.  Definitely not cool for the owner, but better than inflicting a price slump by dumping upon the market/everyone else.

Having such switch would be nice. Though I don't think it's possible. What would the mechanism for this be? It would be either not working (working only if coins still in the wallet) or highly vulnerable to abuse (in case if original holder could destroy them in other wallets).

Good point about the abuse aspect. I bring to mind the kill-switch ideas for mobile phones and how badly those plans work or are intended to work.  Definitely requires some more thought.

However, what may be easier is simply some authentication in place on the wallet that requires a correct passcode before actually sending any coins. As it stands now, it is simply too easy to transfer coins.  Break in to the system, and the bank is yours.  If there was some sort of authentication on not only accessing the wallet itself, but also the 'send' function, i do believe it would drastically reduce the number of successful thefts.

sr. member
Activity: 427
Merit: 250
That would maybe explain the 10k NRS sell wall that i saw yesterday.  The volume last 4-5 days has been literally x2-x3 what it normally has been, with the diff remaining relatively constant.  

It would be nice if coins had a self-destructing kill switch in the event that said coin(s) was/were flagged as stolen.  Definitely not cool for the owner, but better than inflicting a price slump by dumping upon the market/everyone else.

Having such switch would be nice. Though I don't think it's possible. What would the mechanism for this be? It would be either not working (working only if coins still in the wallet) or highly vulnerable to abuse (in case if original holder could destroy them in other wallets).
newbie
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General fund share registry updated as of 6/19/2014:
http://puu.sh/9Ae81/880a769c48.pdf
legendary
Activity: 854
Merit: 1000
That would maybe explain the 10k NRS sell wall that i saw yesterday.  The volume last 4-5 days has been literally x2-x3 what it normally has been, with the diff remaining relatively constant.  

It would be nice if coins had a self-destructing kill switch in the event that said coin(s) was/were flagged as stolen.  Definitely not cool for the owner, but better than inflicting a price slump by dumping upon the market/everyone else.
member
Activity: 71
Merit: 10
They dumped a little over 6k of my NRS holdings and 1.05btc was taken as well sorry for the pain it caused i dont want to sell my GF share but i need to make up some losses and pay some bills.
legendary
Activity: 854
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Also, quick reminder: Always enable 2FA (2 factor authorization!). Whether you're trading on an exchange or visiting a favorite website, 2FA really makes it difficult for hackers to compromise your account. One of our big NRS supporters recently got hacked because he didn't have 2FA enabled, and the hacker dumped NRS right away, which also explains some of the recent market action. More updates coming soon! Stay tuned!

hyz

Sorry to hear that! I just saw the price fall and thought i should go here and check what happened...

I was sitting here literally floored (no pun intended) with the latest market action.  I guess the next question would be how much did they get away with...
newbie
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I also have .5 shares available that I need to part with...please PM.

(sorry bout the pm's guys)
hero member
Activity: 585
Merit: 500
Also, quick reminder: Always enable 2FA (2 factor authorization!). Whether you're trading on an exchange or visiting a favorite website, 2FA really makes it difficult for hackers to compromise your account. One of our big NRS supporters recently got hacked because he didn't have 2FA enabled, and the hacker dumped NRS right away, which also explains some of the recent market action. More updates coming soon! Stay tuned!

hyz

Sorry to hear that! I just saw the price fall and thought i should go here and check what happened...
member
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Merit: 10
looking to sell my .5 GF share if anyone is interested shoot me an offer.
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