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Althought we said that bitcoin is anonymous, we access it from internet connection. In my opinion, today NSA control 95% internet connection in worldwide, so they will know what have we done with our internet connection
Most of these agencies work isn't to spy ordinary citizens, they try to spy other agencies and governments so the USA can have the upper hand.
So spying on every single citizen is the best way to collect actual data that matters? Have you watched the documentary Citizenfour? Obviously the NSA is exploiting their power and it just keeps growing.I do not think that they would bother with every single Bitcoin user. However, I would not be surprised if they are monitoring it nor if they have agents among the community.
The IRS however has a huge interest in bitcoin. The only national laws that matters right now have to do with capitol gains. I would guess the IRS is looking into software to find out who is evading their tax liability.
At some point they may launch a campaign to get that money, plus fines. It won't effect people who are paying now, but could get ugly for anyone who has not. or they may do nothing. As an example look at internet purchases. When you buy something online you are supposed to keep track of it and pay taxes at the end of the year. Almost no one does that and it has gone on for years now with no legal action. It would now be impossible to go back through all the data and assess fines.
Even though NSA is spying on pretty much everything, Bitcoin and PGP are harder than their usual ways. I agree that the IRS is much more interested. This is why countries in which Bitcoin is tax exempt are much better than the US (e.g. Switzerland). At some point they may launch a campaign to get that money, plus fines. It won't effect people who are paying now, but could get ugly for anyone who has not. or they may do nothing. As an example look at internet purchases. When you buy something online you are supposed to keep track of it and pay taxes at the end of the year. Almost no one does that and it has gone on for years now with no legal action. It would now be impossible to go back through all the data and assess fines.
i doubt the government is spending the money and resources just to spy on regular people and watching what they do with bitcoin.
Why not? It's pretty interesting and easy for them. I mean they don't have it that easy with fiat. They can't follow it around so easy but they can follow bitcoins.
An i think they know bitcoins potential. They would be stupid not to take care. In fact i know they are not stupid since, i believe gavin did that, some years ago he held a meeting with the CIA that wanted to get informed about that new currency. Surely they will track.
And you say they don't care about the normal user. Why not? It is so easy and so few data... and if it is easy then they will observe it. Just in case.
If they will use that data to blame you against IRS, that is doubtable.
Most of these agencies work isn't to spy ordinary citizens, they try to spy other agencies and governments so the USA can have the upper hand.
i doubt the government is spending the money and resources just to spy on regular people and watching what they do with bitcoin.
Why not? It's pretty interesting and easy for them. I mean they don't have it that easy with fiat. They can't follow it around so easy but they can follow bitcoins.
An i think they know bitcoins potential. They would be stupid not to take care. In fact i know they are not stupid since, i believe gavin did that, some years ago he held a meeting with the CIA that wanted to get informed about that new currency. Surely they will track.
And you say they don't care about the normal user. Why not? It is so easy and so few data... and if it is easy then they will observe it. Just in case.
If they will use that data to blame you against IRS, that is doubtable.
i doubt the government is spending the money and resources just to spy on regular people and watching what they do with bitcoin.
And because the volume transfer reveals the amount of money transmitted...
The whole NSA plot is so stupid. If any three letter
agency wanted to they could focus on Bitcoin and
create a lot of trouble here. The NSA focuses and
has their hands full watching terrorist groups and
individuals. They have no reason to waste time on
Bitcoin. Now, the IRS is a different story. They're
only worried about the money and Bitcoin is
money you could potentially hide from them
and the shitt things will not be happened if I will
make my transaction and keys private..
that will be safe enough.
agency wanted to they could focus on Bitcoin and
create a lot of trouble here. The NSA focuses and
has their hands full watching terrorist groups and
individuals. They have no reason to waste time on
Bitcoin. Now, the IRS is a different story. They're
only worried about the money and Bitcoin is
money you could potentially hide from them
and the shitt things will not be happened if I will
make my transaction and keys private..
that will be safe enough.
I think you sir are correct. The CIA and the NSA do not give a shit about bitcoin. They will study it so that when they catch someone funding a terror group with it they know something. But outside of that bitcoin has no relation to what they do. The IRS however has a huge interest in bitcoin. The only national laws that matters right now have to do with capitol gains. I would guess the IRS is looking into software to find out who is evading their tax liability.
At some point they may launch a campaign to get that money, plus fines. It won't effect people who are paying now, but could get ugly for anyone who has not. or they may do nothing. As an example look at internet purchases. When you buy something online you are supposed to keep track of it and pay taxes at the end of the year. Almost no one does that and it has gone on for years now with no legal action. It would now be impossible to go back through all the data and assess fines.
after seeing the us gvt come down hard on people like ulbricht & shrem, I have no doubt they are monitoring btc, potentially all users. BUT, I think the userbase is small enough that they dont have a whole lot of reason to actively monitor users, but probably are STORING all the data they can, in case they want to come down on certain people in the future.
The whole NSA plot is so stupid. If any three letter
agency wanted to they could focus on Bitcoin and
create a lot of trouble here. The NSA focuses and
has their hands full watching terrorist groups and
individuals. They have no reason to waste time on
Bitcoin. Now, the IRS is a different story. They're
only worried about the money and Bitcoin is
money you could potentially hide from them
and the shitt things will not be happened if I will
make my transaction and keys private..
that will be safe enough.
agency wanted to they could focus on Bitcoin and
create a lot of trouble here. The NSA focuses and
has their hands full watching terrorist groups and
individuals. They have no reason to waste time on
Bitcoin. Now, the IRS is a different story. They're
only worried about the money and Bitcoin is
money you could potentially hide from them
and the shitt things will not be happened if I will
make my transaction and keys private..
that will be safe enough.
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I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
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Actually this is why they are interested in bitcoin, to the extent they are. Bitcoin makes it much, much, much harder to track money. In fact it can be used in a way that the NSA has no idea who is doing what. Traditional banking can be as easy to track as making a phone call. I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
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You are right, when you are a pro. But i'm sure when you are a pro then you already have your ways of transferring safely. I believe it's named Hawala, it's a financial system used in islamic states. They don't send money, they use a network of money persons. There is no money changing from one money person to the other. One money person only says to the other money person "I had a deposit here, pay out X money to mister Y". No money actually flowing except at the exit and input points. And it should be pretty easy to give the infos about the payout in a way that is similar to bitcoin.
So i think the NSA is happy about all the financial data they could get from bitcoin. But yes, if done correctly then they could not do anything.
I think you are correct.
Since Edward Snowden we know that the NSA practically controls and observes any internet connection. They have their fingers on many ISP's and on each internet cable. So they have an easy time to find out who connects to nodes. At the same time they can read when you propagate a transaction. As far as i know transactions aren't encrypted, but even when, the NSA only would need to run a node to encrypt it.
Before the NSA you are an open book. And when they would want they could hack your computer, in most times they only need to click a button to hack you automatically, and freeze your funds.
I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
Of course, when you use Tor or something then it is not so easy. But then... did you post one of your addresse? Already they can connect some dots.
Since Edward Snowden we know that the NSA practically controls and observes any internet connection. They have their fingers on many ISP's and on each internet cable. So they have an easy time to find out who connects to nodes. At the same time they can read when you propagate a transaction. As far as i know transactions aren't encrypted, but even when, the NSA only would need to run a node to encrypt it.
Before the NSA you are an open book. And when they would want they could hack your computer, in most times they only need to click a button to hack you automatically, and freeze your funds.
I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
Of course, when you use Tor or something then it is not so easy. But then... did you post one of your addresse? Already they can connect some dots.
I don't know. Just pressing a button and getting hacked is a bit far fetched isn't it? In any case, all you need to do is keep your main funds in an offline paper wallet. Then have fun NSA trying to hack that one.
I think the NSA have better things to do than actively observe a zettabyte per month of data sent back and forth all over the world. Sure they can target and access many systems, there are reports of US DoD governmental IPs poking in servers here and there way outside the US, but relax a little. xD
It's not like there's a team of analyst assigned to every person connected to the internet 24/7.
Take care of your traceability if you are paranoid and you'll (probably) be fine.
Um... that's where they have the enourmous computer power for. Of course they can't go into all details all the time, but they observe all traffic they can get. They mostly check and store the metadata of things, so that they can build connections. But when they found something interesting then their computer power can go as deep as they want. It's hilarious what possibilities they have once you read all about what snowden revealed.
And yes, probably they don't care about your bitcoins, at least not if you don't fund things they don't like. They probably wouldn't even intervene when you would do something illegal. They would reveal their possibilities so that they would not even use these infos. Except you are a target. Then it would come in handy.
I think you are correct.
Since Edward Snowden we know that the NSA practically controls and observes any internet connection. They have their fingers on many ISP's and on each internet cable. So they have an easy time to find out who connects to nodes. At the same time they can read when you propagate a transaction. As far as i know transactions aren't encrypted, but even when, the NSA only would need to run a node to encrypt it.
Before the NSA you are an open book. And when they would want they could hack your computer, in most times they only need to click a button to hack you automatically, and freeze your funds.
I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
Of course, when you use Tor or something then it is not so easy. But then... did you post one of your addresse? Already they can connect some dots.
Since Edward Snowden we know that the NSA practically controls and observes any internet connection. They have their fingers on many ISP's and on each internet cable. So they have an easy time to find out who connects to nodes. At the same time they can read when you propagate a transaction. As far as i know transactions aren't encrypted, but even when, the NSA only would need to run a node to encrypt it.
Before the NSA you are an open book. And when they would want they could hack your computer, in most times they only need to click a button to hack you automatically, and freeze your funds.
I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
Of course, when you use Tor or something then it is not so easy. But then... did you post one of your addresse? Already they can connect some dots.
I don't know. Just pressing a button and getting hacked is a bit far fetched isn't it? In any case, all you need to do is keep your main funds in an offline paper wallet. Then have fun NSA trying to hack that one.
Unfortunately it's true. Snowden revealed many projects. I don't remember the name now but one of the projects was an automated computer system that automatically can hack every computer that it is told to target. It gets feeded with actual exploits from all sides. Only when the system can't do it on it's own then manual interception by humans is done. NSA hackers so to say.
Yes, paper wallet might be fine. Only thing is... at one point you need to access the coins. You don't want to be surprised by your wallet cleared before your eyes in the moment you imported the private key in a wallet.
Of course they do. They know everything. They even have your Google search history in file. They got your Jailbait and Goat sex searches in it.
Sure they do, but you won't be getting a call from Special Agent Chris Hansen any time soon. They're just saving the incriminating stuff in the event an opportunity arises to blackmail you. Good luck running for office!
No problem. Thats how it works you just need to buy the NSA when you run for presidency so they hide everything about you instead.
Of course they do. They know everything. They even have your Google search history in file. They got your Jailbait and Goat sex searches in it.
Sure they do, but you won't be getting a call from Special Agent Chris Hansen any time soon. They're just saving the incriminating stuff in the event an opportunity arises to blackmail you. Good luck running for office!
If NSA already start filtering Bitcoin usage, they must caught lot of people who use bigger BTC transaction without paying taxes. It can't happen, so they are busy with other things
those who want transparency should be able to have it, and those who want privacy should be able to have it as well. Bitcoin has the potential to provide a sliding scale of anonymity depending on what you want.
Sure, it has the potential to. If people would have a consensus over it. Will that ever happen? I wonder...
those who want transparency should be able to have it, and those who want privacy should be able to have it as well. Bitcoin has the potential to provide a sliding scale of anonymity depending on what you want.
There was an article I read in the last 12 months where a top official at the CIA or NSA suggested using multi-signature technology to secure private citizen's information. This could be one of the greatest uses of the blockchain.
For example, even the President of the United States (or Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund), cannot access someone's private information without some sort of blockchain vote. Maybe the existential evidence is revealed and at least 90 of 100 randomly chosen people have to agree that it is important enough to reveal the private information.
Did anyone else read the article or have a link to the source? The subject is worthy of posting in Bitcoin Forum > Other > Politics & Society.
For example, even the President of the United States (or Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund), cannot access someone's private information without some sort of blockchain vote. Maybe the existential evidence is revealed and at least 90 of 100 randomly chosen people have to agree that it is important enough to reveal the private information.
Did anyone else read the article or have a link to the source? The subject is worthy of posting in Bitcoin Forum > Other > Politics & Society.
And why so much fear to all those conspiracy theories?
What if NSA knows everything? whats wrong with that? They must have a purpose to do that and nobody have proofs that they are using it for a bad thing (it can be bad at some point but just to complete a bigger goal that could only be completed that way).
All this topics and conspiracy theories are the product of the Fairy tales everybody keep on their mind, those fairy tales of the things like the "Antichrist" or sci-fi tales, or the believe that just one government controlling all the world must be bad, yeah, its as bad as when all the tribes of China were independent,( well in fact most modern countries were separate states or tribes at one point.)
What if NSA knows everything? whats wrong with that? They must have a purpose to do that and nobody have proofs that they are using it for a bad thing (it can be bad at some point but just to complete a bigger goal that could only be completed that way).
All this topics and conspiracy theories are the product of the Fairy tales everybody keep on their mind, those fairy tales of the things like the "Antichrist" or sci-fi tales, or the believe that just one government controlling all the world must be bad, yeah, its as bad as when all the tribes of China were independent,( well in fact most modern countries were separate states or tribes at one point.)
I opened this thread only because so many people didn't want to join my FB group because of privacy or security and stuff.
They didn't want to let others know they are Bitcoin users.
What will happen when so many more people will be Bitcoin users?
They will join a page where they state that they are not Bitcoin users?
So I opened this thread to show that they are not safe just because they don't join a FB page.
NSA knows everything.
And a hacker doesn't need your name to see if you have a Bitcoin wallet.
Hackers roam around FB to steal ID data, not Bitcoins.
But regarding you, remember that secrets and conspiracies are a constant all along human history, they are also a constant all along all human society, from family to friends to larger social structures.
Thinking that everything you see is all there's to see is just very, very, very naive and ignorant.
And, I don't know about you, but in example, thinking that we are entering a WW3 because somebody decided to do it, quite disturbs, annoys and enrages me. I feel manipulated, in danger, because somebody else want it like that.
If you think they work for you, you are again very very naive.
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