Topic: NSA KNOWS - page 6. (Read 8332 times)

I would rather create a paper wallet (and make sure that my pc is offline) and store my Bitcoins in it. That may make it untraceable. I think 

Going through the web make you even more traceable. However if you can register without giving private information, use encrypted email and vpn to connect, you may be able to negate that part.

Still, whenever you interact with websites, wallet to a wallet, you create traceability. You need to wear gloves for everything and the best is to avoid doing anything traceable. The level of anonymity you really need depend on what you're doing and who/where you are, however.

i use blockchain.info as my bitcoin wallet
can they still spy on me with that?

Oh yeah, I had such a little boner for Audra Barkley when I was a kid. lol

The whole NSA plot is so stupid. If any three letter agency wanted to they could focus on Bitcoin and create a lot of trouble here. The NSA focuses and has their hands full watching terrorist groups and individuals. They have no reason to waste time on Bitcoin. Now, the IRS is a different story. They're only worried about the money and Bitcoin is money you could potentially hide from them.

I bet you used to watch Big Valley like I did when a kid, eh?

Regarding the NSA hype and big brother paranoia.
Yes they are trying to have access to anything possible.
But at the end of the day they can only do so much with all their computer power, the reason is it needs human interpretation.
If your BTC addresses (or other crypto ones) are the subject of a major interest/investigation then only will they allocate resources to that particular case.
You just run down to human limitation. Say you are an analyst at the NSA, you are already assigned with tons of materials (Syria, Putin, China) I'm sure that most of it they don't know what to do with, but store it
for some later retrieval usage if required, and it keeps accumulating, they must be overwhelmed with data to interpret but just can't physically do it. Collection is easy, it's human resources the real challenge. There has to be a major coordination between agencies to focus on particular people. Regarding bitcoin, the agencies are focusing their attention at the point of exchange which is a soft target for them. This is why we are having so much trouble with exchanges (licensing) and conversions (fiat-btc-fiat), they know that the Islamic state, Drug cartels etc... if they use bitcoin now or in the future will have to convert. They are putting the burden on the institutions (banks worlwdide), exchanges (companies and owners wordlwide) to do the analysis and report suspicious people/transaction.  Now if some post factum event occurs ie. with the Islamic State, they will allocate their resources to trace back the whole thing, addresses, wallets, exchanges, banks. The banks will be fined, the exchanges will have their licenses revoked and a possible jail time for the owners.

After putting your bitcoins through a mixer, you can safely transfer them to an exchange.

But more importantly: why the hell would you want to change your precious bitcoins into old fashioned fiat? I'd rather keep my bitcoins, or spend them on shops or services that accept Bitcoin directly.

I think I have to totally agree with you on this one.
Even worst, If the government implements a digital national currency and enforce  its use, then they will be able to make a complete track of all your spendings...
Bitcoin even might be the killer app for keeping track of citizens spendings...

Unfortunately, throughout history we have seen marvelous inventions being turned in weapons of mass destruction...

I beleive that with this technology we will see the same.

Yup, but you cannot interact with exchanges because exchanges will know your credentials. Like some said even if you meet irl to exchange btc for cash it's not really anonymous, the guy sees your face

No one said it's fully anonymous.
You can push your tx'es anonymously without relaying your IP info. (of course you need cold storage, offline wallet etc).

That is right where is my good old tin foil hat....... there it is

---- TINFOIL HAT ON ----

SHit NSA is fucking reading what I writing here.
They might start monitoring me, because I am not scared of them.
I need to log of and wipe my drive. CYA.

---- TINFOIL HAT OFF ----

How are you exactly going to exchange the Bitcoins into fiat without getting traced? It's easy to stay anonymous within crypto, but not as soon as you start exchanging in fiat. In fact I would go as far as to say that it's impossible to do it anonymously.

Watching television is also legal, but I guess you wouldn't like me (or the NSA) to be outside your window watching you watch television, am I right? It's not about legality, but privacy.

You seem to have misplaced your tin foil hat. You must have it to understand how scary this is...

Whats the problem? In my country is bitcoin legal. Whould not care less if NSA know or not.
I dont see the point? Off cause if you are a scammer person, then should you be scared.
If you are not doing anyting ilegal and have nothing to hide, then is there no problem.
Its not like NSA sit and monitor YOU then can search on patterns, so if you have a lot of scammer business then will you might come into their search light.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/07/report-rare-leaked-nsa-source-code-reveals-tor-servers-targeted/


http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-the-nsa-targets-tor-users


On wiretapping: https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A (I only searched for AT&T).

Well, one thing I know for sure: if I want to keep control over my money, and protect my privacy, I'm sure as hell a LOT better off with Bitcoin than with Paypal, Visa, Mastercard, bank accounts, Amazon pay, Apple pay, Google wallet, mobile banking apps, or similar centralized crap.

Any tangible evidences?

NSA has the network wiretapped at several key points, and has also insights on some ISPs. Therefore, they can know where some transactions originate. You shouldn't assume you're outside of that group.

Plus, if you ever searched information on Tor and/or downloaded the software, the NSA is already actively watching you.



You know SSL is rooted to the core, right? Remember your browser trusts (ouch) the certification authorities, which means the CAs (and governments) can see all your traffic. Even without this, don't forget the recent slew of problems found in openssl. It's perfectly possible the NSA knows about, and is actively exploiting, some yet-to-be-discovered vulnerabilities.



And use Tor properly! Don't log into your facebook account through Tor. Or don't do like this guy:

I know. I have tried. It failed miserably, including crashed my computer.

Theoretically, with a superconnected node, then yes it is possible, since even those milliseconds are enough time difference to make the determination of where that transaction originated from.

Of course, doing this is highly infeasible and incredibly difficult to do, as well as possibly physically impossible due to latency in network connections.