And why so much fear to all those conspiracy theories?
What if NSA knows everything? whats wrong with that? They must have a purpose to do that and nobody have proofs that they are using it for a bad thing (it can be bad at some point but just to complete a bigger goal that could only be completed that way).
All this topics and conspiracy theories are the product of the Fairy tales everybody keep on their mind, those fairy tales of the things like the "Antichrist" or sci-fi tales, or the believe that just one government controlling all the world must be bad, yeah, its as bad as when all the tribes of China were independent,( well in fact most modern countries were separate states or tribes at one point.)
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I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
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Actually this is why they are interested in bitcoin, to the extent they are. Bitcoin makes it much, much, much harder to track money. In fact it can be used in a way that the NSA has no idea who is doing what. Traditional banking can be as easy to track as making a phone call. I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
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What about fiat cash?
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I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
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Actually this is why they are interested in bitcoin, to the extent they are. Bitcoin makes it much, much, much harder to track money. In fact it can be used in a way that the NSA has no idea who is doing what. Traditional banking can be as easy to track as making a phone call. I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
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What about fiat cash?
Actually this is why they are interested in bitcoin, to the extent they are. Bitcoin makes it much, much, much harder to track money. In fact it can be used in a way that the NSA has no idea who is doing what. Traditional banking can be as easy to track as making a phone call.
What about fiat cash?
Where you get your cash matters, to whom you're giving it to matters as well. I would not be surprised if they had a method of tracking quite a portion of cash.
Overall I would say that cash does provide more anonymity at the moment than Bitcoin (because most do not use it properly to ensure anonymity). However, things are being done to enable better anonymity with Bitcoin (look - confidential transactions BIP).
I would also like to add that this thread is pure nonsense. Even if you look up the address listed on my profile, what do you get out of it? With careful analysis you might be able to identify all addresses associated (owned by) with LaudaM. However, who is LaudaM? Using Bitcoin properly ensures decent anonymity.
If you think that someone is going to spend several thousand dollars (or more) to identify a single (average) user, think again.
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Nonsense.
You need to be ignored for various purposes. I definitely would love being blackmailed by the NSA because they know all my secrets. 
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I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
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Actually this is why they are interested in bitcoin, to the extent they are. Bitcoin makes it much, much, much harder to track money. In fact it can be used in a way that the NSA has no idea who is doing what. Traditional banking can be as easy to track as making a phone call. I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
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What about fiat cash?
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I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
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Actually this is why they are interested in bitcoin, to the extent they are. Bitcoin makes it much, much, much harder to track money. In fact it can be used in a way that the NSA has no idea who is doing what. Traditional banking can be as easy to track as making a phone call. I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
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I don't give a shit. I'm sure they know much worse things about me. It would be nice if they got in touch with a few tips for anal fissures rather than sitting back and judging me.
BTC does give you options when it comes to avoiding scrutiny. They're convoluted but out there.
BTC does give you options when it comes to avoiding scrutiny. They're convoluted but out there.
I think you are correct.
Since Edward Snowden we know that the NSA practically controls and observes any internet connection. They have their fingers on many ISP's and on each internet cable. So they have an easy time to find out who connects to nodes. At the same time they can read when you propagate a transaction. As far as i know transactions aren't encrypted, but even when, the NSA only would need to run a node to encrypt it.
Before the NSA you are an open book. And when they would want they could hack your computer, in most times they only need to click a button to hack you automatically, and freeze your funds.
I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
Of course, when you use Tor or something then it is not so easy. But then... did you post one of your addresse? Already they can connect some dots.
Since Edward Snowden we know that the NSA practically controls and observes any internet connection. They have their fingers on many ISP's and on each internet cable. So they have an easy time to find out who connects to nodes. At the same time they can read when you propagate a transaction. As far as i know transactions aren't encrypted, but even when, the NSA only would need to run a node to encrypt it.
Before the NSA you are an open book. And when they would want they could hack your computer, in most times they only need to click a button to hack you automatically, and freeze your funds.
I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
Of course, when you use Tor or something then it is not so easy. But then... did you post one of your addresse? Already they can connect some dots.
I don't know. Just pressing a button and getting hacked is a bit far fetched isn't it? In any case, all you need to do is keep your main funds in an offline paper wallet. Then have fun NSA trying to hack that one.
I think the NSA have better things to do than actively observe a zettabyte per month of data sent back and forth all over the world. Sure they can target and access many systems, there are reports of US DoD governmental IPs poking in servers here and there way outside the US, but relax a little. xD
It's not like there's a team of analyst assigned to every person connected to the internet 24/7.
Take care of your traceability if you are paranoid and you'll (probably) be fine.
I think you are correct.
Since Edward Snowden we know that the NSA practically controls and observes any internet connection. They have their fingers on many ISP's and on each internet cable. So they have an easy time to find out who connects to nodes. At the same time they can read when you propagate a transaction. As far as i know transactions aren't encrypted, but even when, the NSA only would need to run a node to encrypt it.
Before the NSA you are an open book. And when they would want they could hack your computer, in most times they only need to click a button to hack you automatically, and freeze your funds.
I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
Of course, when you use Tor or something then it is not so easy. But then... did you post one of your addresse? Already they can connect some dots.
Since Edward Snowden we know that the NSA practically controls and observes any internet connection. They have their fingers on many ISP's and on each internet cable. So they have an easy time to find out who connects to nodes. At the same time they can read when you propagate a transaction. As far as i know transactions aren't encrypted, but even when, the NSA only would need to run a node to encrypt it.
Before the NSA you are an open book. And when they would want they could hack your computer, in most times they only need to click a button to hack you automatically, and freeze your funds.
I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
Of course, when you use Tor or something then it is not so easy. But then... did you post one of your addresse? Already they can connect some dots.
I don't know. Just pressing a button and getting hacked is a bit far fetched isn't it? In any case, all you need to do is keep your main funds in an offline paper wallet. Then have fun NSA trying to hack that one.
I think you are correct.
Since Edward Snowden we know that the NSA practically controls and observes any internet connection. They have their fingers on many ISP's and on each internet cable. So they have an easy time to find out who connects to nodes. At the same time they can read when you propagate a transaction. As far as i know transactions aren't encrypted, but even when, the NSA only would need to run a node to encrypt it.
Before the NSA you are an open book. And when they would want they could hack your computer, in most times they only need to click a button to hack you automatically, and freeze your funds.
I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
Of course, when you use Tor or something then it is not so easy. But then... did you post one of your addresse? Already they can connect some dots.
Since Edward Snowden we know that the NSA practically controls and observes any internet connection. They have their fingers on many ISP's and on each internet cable. So they have an easy time to find out who connects to nodes. At the same time they can read when you propagate a transaction. As far as i know transactions aren't encrypted, but even when, the NSA only would need to run a node to encrypt it.
Before the NSA you are an open book. And when they would want they could hack your computer, in most times they only need to click a button to hack you automatically, and freeze your funds.
I think the NSA is happy about bitcoin. When terror is using it more they will have an easier time.
Of course, when you use Tor or something then it is not so easy. But then... did you post one of your addresse? Already they can connect some dots.
Why don't you consider being a boring person by doing silly stuff like obeying the law.
Because laws are so insanely broad and ambiguous that "obeying the law" is slowly becoming as safe as not doing it. Eg. you really don't want to be caught on cam while doing a bitcoin transaction because money laundering.
That's a bit of an exaggeration but when i think about it, its sadly not much of one. The law is open to interpretation, there is a huge grey zone where you can break the law even if you're not, or not be breaking the law even if you are, or should be.
I'm just thankful i'm not in the US, where bitcoin is in a negative legal status. It's much better in Canada.
Why don't you consider being a boring person by doing silly stuff like obeying the law.
Because laws are so insanely broad and ambiguous that "obeying the law" is slowly becoming as safe as not doing it. Eg. you really don't want to be caught on cam while doing a bitcoin transaction because money laundering.
I would use a completely separate device for that purpose, and use it on an open wifi or only turn it on with mobile connection to effect the transfer, then turn it off immediately.
One thing I would like to add is that places with open wifi usually have security cameras and you don't want to be caught on video tapping away on your laptop complete with timestamps. You should therefore use your device discretely - try to use it from the public toilet if the signal reaches there. Also wear a disguise as you enter or leave the location.
That's insanely paranoid even if it is the correct information. Jesus Christ what are you people doing, selling heroin to preteens or fucking babies the the park? Why don't you consider being a boring person by doing silly stuff like obeying the law. No one would care about you then. Nothing could be fun enough or profitable enough to make me hide in a stinky shitter to use my laptop.
I agree with this, I opened this thread only because I have some people questioning privacy when I set up an initiative to try count Bitcoin users through a Facebook group.They think the government will finally see them if they join the group
The only thing they are right is that hackers around can see who is involved in Bitcoin, his name and more data.
Problem is, hackers don't care at all about your name when they look for prey.
I would use a completely separate device for that purpose, and use it on an open wifi or only turn it on with mobile connection to effect the transfer, then turn it off immediately.
One thing I would like to add is that places with open wifi usually have security cameras and you don't want to be caught on video tapping away on your laptop complete with timestamps. You should therefore use your device discretely - try to use it from the public toilet if the signal reaches there. Also wear a disguise as you enter or leave the location.
That's insanely paranoid even if it is the correct information. Jesus Christ what are you people doing, selling heroin to preteens or fucking babies the the park? Why don't you consider being a boring person by doing silly stuff like obeying the law. No one would care about you then. Nothing could be fun enough or profitable enough to make me hide in a stinky shitter to use my laptop.
I would use a completely separate device for that purpose, and use it on an open wifi or only turn it on with mobile connection to effect the transfer, then turn it off immediately.
One thing I would like to add is that places with open wifi usually have security cameras and you don't want to be caught on video tapping away on your laptop complete with timestamps. You should therefore use your device discretely - try to use it from the public toilet if the signal reaches there. Also wear a disguise as you enter or leave the location.
i use blockchain.info as my bitcoin wallet
can they still spy on me with that?
can they still spy on me with that?
Going through the web make you even more traceable. However if you can register without giving private information, use encrypted email and vpn to connect, you may be able to negate that part.
Still, whenever you interact with websites, wallet to a wallet, you create traceability. You need to wear gloves for everything and the best is to avoid doing anything traceable. The level of anonymity you really need depend on what you're doing and who/where you are, however.
Agree on this.
If you want to do something illegal, it depends on what extent.
In example, if you sell weed, unless you enter the "thousands dollars per month" realm, I don't think that NSA will begin to check your connection, and until you create new Bitcoin addresses, you are safe: nobody can find how you get paid.
But if you plan to do something worse, like, I don't know, importing 300000$ of drugs, I would never, ever use my HOME connection to get my payment throught Bitcoin.
I would use a completely separate device for that purpose, and use it on an open wifi or only turn it on with mobile connection to effect the transfer, then turn it off immediately.
And even then, I would leave that device FAR from my home, because each and every device has its own ID and even if you connect from a public place with your CrapPhone, then you bring that CrapPhone at home, they will identify that it was THAT CrapPhone that connected to THAT wifi and effected THAT transfer. It's like a hot potato.
You wouldn't be safe anyway.
The conclusion is that BANKNOTES are FAR more anonymous than Bitcoin.
If you like Bitcoin because it's anonymous, you are on the wrong way: revert to banknotes.
Bitcoin is only PRIVACY SAFE, but nothing more.
NSA monitors the internet so basically everything that's on the internet was known by the NSA, even your nudes you uploaded on the web(if there's any) 
I would rather create a paper wallet (and make sure that my pc is offline) and store my Bitcoins in it. That may make it untraceable. I think
xD Bitcoins arent actually in a wallet, generating a privkey offline and then sending btc to that address still is going to link the old address with your new offline address. So if the previous address was linked to you, the new one will be too.
You can't send BTC offline, how are you going to send a transaction offline
I would rather create a paper wallet (and make sure that my pc is offline) and store my Bitcoins in it. That may make it untraceable. I think
If you buy them offline too and even then...
I don't think the goal is to hide the fact that Bitcoin is being used, the goal is to be able to keep the specifics of your finances and transactions private.
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