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Every innovative software project is controlled by one or (rarely) two people.
How many NXT i get when i have 100.000 for 1 Week?
total fee generated without aliases:300.000 was forged by cca 300.000.000 Nxt in 49 days
- 100 was forged by 100.000 Nxt in 49 days
14 Nxt can be forged in 7 days with 100.000 NXT
Quote from: IveBeenBit
I've been following Nxt for the past couple weeks with my considerable spare time, and I still don't understand WTF the vote about the clients is about.
Is it a vote on how to disburse bounty funds?
Is it a vote on what client to adopt?
Do I need to download each client and try them out before voting?
This client vote thing is one of the more important votes (based on how much I see it mentioned around here) and I still have no clue who is allowed to vote and what the result will be.
I'm sure I could figure it out if I took some time to weed through posts, but I'm choosing to be rationally apathetic.
This pattern will accelerate if you start polling everyone for every decision until only the most hard core Nxters with time on their hands will be able to vote intelligently.
Is it a vote on how to disburse bounty funds?
Is it a vote on what client to adopt?
Do I need to download each client and try them out before voting?
This client vote thing is one of the more important votes (based on how much I see it mentioned around here) and I still have no clue who is allowed to vote and what the result will be.
I'm sure I could figure it out if I took some time to weed through posts, but I'm choosing to be rationally apathetic.
This pattern will accelerate if you start polling everyone for every decision until only the most hard core Nxters with time on their hands will be able to vote intelligently.
+1
How many NXT i get when i have 100.000 for 1 Week?
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Someone (BCNext?, CfB?) needs to step up and unify this project under a single vision.
Quote from: Come-from-Beyond
Both refuse to do so. Sorry guys.
Is there anyone else with real authority over the code? Jean-Paul? (Or was it Jean-Luc?) Nxt needs this.
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NXT's single vision is decentralization and community involvement, imho . If i am not wrong, I share this vision with BCNext and Cfb. So you plan to count on BCNext or Cfb to make decisions for you, I think you would be disappointed.
But if some points, this venture become too disarrayed and too fragmented that BCNext has to appear and decide everything then I will leave because because all my efforts have been fruitless. Up until that point, if you care about NXT, then giving up the habit of looking up for a leader and actually doing something. You yourself could actually shape the vision for NXT.
But if some points, this venture become too disarrayed and too fragmented that BCNext has to appear and decide everything then I will leave because because all my efforts have been fruitless. Up until that point, if you care about NXT, then giving up the habit of looking up for a leader and actually doing something. You yourself could actually shape the vision for NXT.
This project can not simultaneously break new ground in technology and social organization to this extent. Each of those goals is gargantuan and to ask Nxt to accomplish both simultaneously is asking the impossible. One, if not both, must fail.
got my odroid kit from fedex today.. any one have experience with setting up a VPS?
please lemme know
please lemme know
Only individuals can make decisions.
What i would say is to who ever contacts him, and make the 10 btc offer, if he declines because its not enough compensation, than we ask how much would be enough compensation. then we come back here and if its reasonable than we can attempt to crowed fund it.
What i would say is to who ever contacts him, and make the 10 btc offer, if he declines because its not enough compensation, than we ask how much would be enough compensation. then we come back here and if its reasonable than we can attempt to crowed fund it.
Could u contact him and make the offer?
The best would be to contact D. J. Bernstein, but I'm not sure that 10 BTC is high enough for his level of competence.
if you need to raise more to get the right person i would help
Thank u, but the community should decide if we want to contact him and how much to offer.
if you have time.... it will take months before he answers. but we can always trie.
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I doubt this will earn me any friends but I strongly disagree with you guys here. utopianfuture, you mention that the voting issue is getting very complicated. It will continue to do so until it becomes unwieldly and threatens to derail the entire project. We need a visionary leader who isn't afraid to make decisions. Naturally, that is someone in charge of the code. If somebody doesn't like it, they can fork the source code and start their own project. It's a beautiful thing.
Someone (BCNext?, CfB?) needs to step up and unify this project under a single vision.
Someone (BCNext?, CfB?) needs to step up and unify this project under a single vision.
I agree with this. I've been following Nxt for the past couple weeks with my considerable spare time, and I still don't understand WTF the vote about the clients is about.
Is it a vote on how to disburse bounty funds?
Is it a vote on what client to adopt?
Do I need to download each client and try them out before voting?
This client vote thing is one of the more important votes (based on how much I see it mentioned around here) and I still have no clue who is allowed to vote and what the result will be.
I'm sure I could figure it out if I took some time to weed through posts, but I'm choosing to be rationally apathetic.
This pattern will accelerate if you start polling everyone for every decision until only the most hard core Nxters with time on their hands will be able to vote intelligently.
Someone (BCNext?, CfB?) needs to step up and unify this project under a single vision.
Both refuse to do so. Sorry guys.
The best would be to contact D. J. Bernstein, but I'm not sure that 10 BTC is high enough for his level of competence.
if you need to raise more to get the right person i would help
Thank u, but the community should decide if we want to contact him and how much to offer.
Only individuals can make decisions.
What i would say is to who ever contacts him, and make the 10 btc offer, if he declines because its not enough compensation, than we ask how much would be enough compensation. then we come back here and if its reasonable than we can attempt to crowed fund it.
Quote from: Damelon
Just pondered the whole voting discussion a bit, too.
There is one thing about democracy that is frequently forgotten.
Democracy in all it's known forms always has rested on a foundation that is inherently nót democratic: the first constitution (as written by founders).
This circumscribes the boundaries that democracy has. Some things cannot be voted into law, because they are against the constitution.
This is a failsafe to protect the democracy itself.
Having a totally "fair" voting system is impossible, but one thing that any constitution tries to do is protect minorities against the rule of the majority.
I feel a lot of debate that has been had over the last days revolves around this fear.
Of course this starting point is centralised (or at least oligarchic) in nature, but the aim of the centralised limits that have been put in place should be to protect the decentralisation that comes after it. One way of making sure of this is that the rules should limit the power of the initial rule-makers.
There is one thing about democracy that is frequently forgotten.
Democracy in all it's known forms always has rested on a foundation that is inherently nót democratic: the first constitution (as written by founders).
This circumscribes the boundaries that democracy has. Some things cannot be voted into law, because they are against the constitution.
This is a failsafe to protect the democracy itself.
Having a totally "fair" voting system is impossible, but one thing that any constitution tries to do is protect minorities against the rule of the majority.
I feel a lot of debate that has been had over the last days revolves around this fear.
Of course this starting point is centralised (or at least oligarchic) in nature, but the aim of the centralised limits that have been put in place should be to protect the decentralisation that comes after it. One way of making sure of this is that the rules should limit the power of the initial rule-makers.
Quote from: utopianfuture
+1 You have said a lot of sensible things so far. The issue is very complicated and it is getting even more. I would suggest someone to sit down and write a solid first draft proposal for voting and also first draft proposal for funding. I am working on papers for the asset exchange so no time now.
I doubt this will earn me any friends but I strongly disagree with you guys here. utopianfuture, you mention that the voting issue is getting very complicated. It will continue to do so until it becomes unwieldly and threatens to derail the entire project. We need a visionary leader who isn't afraid to make decisions. Naturally, that is someone in charge of the code. If somebody doesn't like it, they can fork the source code and start their own project. It's a beautiful thing.
Someone (BCNext?, CfB?) needs to step up and unify this project under a single vision.
If we try to turn the Nxt software project into some kind of a model for "the way things ought to be", it will die a slow and painful death. Gentoo Linux is a perfect example of this. When Daniel Robbins created the Gentoo Foundation and stepped down as chief architect, it was the beginning of the end for Gentoo. Much drama has unfolded since then and in spectacular fashion all over the internet. These days, Gentoo Linux is a shadow of its former self.
NXT's single vision is decentralization and community involvement, imho . If i am not wrong, I share this vision with BCNext and Cfb. So you plan to count on BCNext or Cfb to make decisions for you, I think you would be disappointed.
But if some points, this venture become too disarrayed and too fragmented that BCNext has to appear and decide everything then I will leave because because all my efforts have been fruitless. Up until that point, if you care about NXT, then giving up the habit of looking up for a leader and actually doing something. You yourself could actually shape the vision for NXT.
The best would be to contact D. J. Bernstein, but I'm not sure that 10 BTC is high enough for his level of competence.
if you need to raise more to get the right person i would help
Thank u, but the community should decide if we want to contact him and how much to offer.
Quote from: Damelon
Just pondered the whole voting discussion a bit, too.
There is one thing about democracy that is frequently forgotten.
Democracy in all it's known forms always has rested on a foundation that is inherently nót democratic: the first constitution (as written by founders).
This circumscribes the boundaries that democracy has. Some things cannot be voted into law, because they are against the constitution.
This is a failsafe to protect the democracy itself.
Having a totally "fair" voting system is impossible, but one thing that any constitution tries to do is protect minorities against the rule of the majority.
I feel a lot of debate that has been had over the last days revolves around this fear.
Of course this starting point is centralised (or at least oligarchic) in nature, but the aim of the centralised limits that have been put in place should be to protect the decentralisation that comes after it. One way of making sure of this is that the rules should limit the power of the initial rule-makers.
There is one thing about democracy that is frequently forgotten.
Democracy in all it's known forms always has rested on a foundation that is inherently nót democratic: the first constitution (as written by founders).
This circumscribes the boundaries that democracy has. Some things cannot be voted into law, because they are against the constitution.
This is a failsafe to protect the democracy itself.
Having a totally "fair" voting system is impossible, but one thing that any constitution tries to do is protect minorities against the rule of the majority.
I feel a lot of debate that has been had over the last days revolves around this fear.
Of course this starting point is centralised (or at least oligarchic) in nature, but the aim of the centralised limits that have been put in place should be to protect the decentralisation that comes after it. One way of making sure of this is that the rules should limit the power of the initial rule-makers.
Quote from: utopianfuture
+1 You have said a lot of sensible things so far. The issue is very complicated and it is getting even more. I would suggest someone to sit down and write a solid first draft proposal for voting and also first draft proposal for funding. I am working on papers for the asset exchange so no time now.
I doubt this will earn me any friends but I strongly disagree with you guys here. utopianfuture, you mention that the voting issue is getting very complicated. It will continue to do so until it becomes unwieldly and threatens to derail the entire project. We need a visionary leader who isn't afraid to make decisions. Naturally, that is someone in charge of the code. If somebody doesn't like it, they can fork the source code and start their own project. It's a beautiful thing.
Someone (BCNext?, CfB?) needs to step up and unify this project under a single vision.
If we try to turn the Nxt software project into some kind of a model for "the way things ought to be", it will die a slow and painful death. Gentoo Linux is a perfect example of this. When Daniel Robbins created the Gentoo Foundation and stepped down as chief architect, it was the beginning of the end for Gentoo. Much drama has unfolded since then and in spectacular fashion all over the internet. These days, Gentoo Linux is a shadow of its former self.
My post is exactly an argument FOR such a visionary or at least someone to bite the bullet.
Edit: It definitely cannot be me, as the simple fact is I'm just a member of the community that participates, but is no leader.
Quote from: Chang Hum
Marketing = more exchanges, more substance, more &unique features.
Could any Devs offer full support to any exchanges looking to add next?
Could any Devs offer full support to any exchanges looking to add next?
I love this! Chang Hum home run!
Could any Devs offer full support to any exchanges looking to add next?
I am opening an exchamge anyonr willing to help me with stripping the refrence client from jetty or at least scripts to ensure consistemcy with tje network. The client keeps on mining forks for some reason, and sorry for the misspellings I am kinda drunk at the moment >_
I doubt this will earn me any friends but I strongly disagree with you guys here. utopianfuture, you mention that the voting issue is getting very complicated. It will continue to do so until it becomes unwieldly and threatens to derail the entire project. We need a visionary leader who isn't afraid to make decisions. Naturally, that is someone in charge of the code. If somebody doesn't like it, they can fork the source code and start their own project. It's a beautiful thing.
Someone (BCNext?, CfB?) needs to step up and unify this project under a single vision.
If we try to turn the Nxt software project into some kind of a model for "the way things ought to be", it will die a slow and painful death. Gentoo Linux is a perfect example of this. When Daniel Robbins created the Gentoo Foundation and stepped down as chief architect, it was the beginning of the end for Gentoo. Much drama has unfolded since then and in spectacular fashion all over the internet. These days, Gentoo Linux is a shadow of its former self.
Someone (BCNext?, CfB?) needs to step up and unify this project under a single vision.
If we try to turn the Nxt software project into some kind of a model for "the way things ought to be", it will die a slow and painful death. Gentoo Linux is a perfect example of this. When Daniel Robbins created the Gentoo Foundation and stepped down as chief architect, it was the beginning of the end for Gentoo. Much drama has unfolded since then and in spectacular fashion all over the internet. These days, Gentoo Linux is a shadow of its former self.
+9000
It is like optimizing software. Why not spend a little effort and make it go ten times faster? Why not spend some resources on converting 10 times more people from the same stream of interested people and of course add to that stream of interested people. 3 million NXT compared to whatever amount we have already spent on dev is a pretty small percentage.
James
James
I will publish some numbers like:
article: 2-5.000 Nxt
graphic (poster, infographic): 5.000 Nxt
Review: 1-10.000 Nxt
Game Tournament: 10-18.000 Nxt
...
in the marketing topic to discuss about them and to get to the real numbers. But 3 Millions sound like a good number
Quote from: Damelon
Just pondered the whole voting discussion a bit, too.
There is one thing about democracy that is frequently forgotten.
Democracy in all it's known forms always has rested on a foundation that is inherently nót democratic: the first constitution (as written by founders).
This circumscribes the boundaries that democracy has. Some things cannot be voted into law, because they are against the constitution.
This is a failsafe to protect the democracy itself.
Having a totally "fair" voting system is impossible, but one thing that any constitution tries to do is protect minorities against the rule of the majority.
I feel a lot of debate that has been had over the last days revolves around this fear.
Of course this starting point is centralised (or at least oligarchic) in nature, but the aim of the centralised limits that have been put in place should be to protect the decentralisation that comes after it. One way of making sure of this is that the rules should limit the power of the initial rule-makers.
There is one thing about democracy that is frequently forgotten.
Democracy in all it's known forms always has rested on a foundation that is inherently nót democratic: the first constitution (as written by founders).
This circumscribes the boundaries that democracy has. Some things cannot be voted into law, because they are against the constitution.
This is a failsafe to protect the democracy itself.
Having a totally "fair" voting system is impossible, but one thing that any constitution tries to do is protect minorities against the rule of the majority.
I feel a lot of debate that has been had over the last days revolves around this fear.
Of course this starting point is centralised (or at least oligarchic) in nature, but the aim of the centralised limits that have been put in place should be to protect the decentralisation that comes after it. One way of making sure of this is that the rules should limit the power of the initial rule-makers.
Quote from: utopianfuture
+1 You have said a lot of sensible things so far. The issue is very complicated and it is getting even more. I would suggest someone to sit down and write a solid first draft proposal for voting and also first draft proposal for funding. I am working on papers for the asset exchange so no time now.
I doubt this will earn me any friends but I strongly disagree with you guys here. utopianfuture, you mention that the voting issue is getting very complicated. It will continue to do so until it becomes unwieldly and threatens to derail the entire project. We need a visionary leader who isn't afraid to make decisions. Naturally, that is someone in charge of the code. If somebody doesn't like it, they can fork the source code and start their own project. It's a beautiful thing.
Someone (BCNext?, CfB?) needs to step up and unify this project under a single vision.
If we try to turn the Nxt software project into some kind of a model for "the way things ought to be", it will die a slow and painful death. Gentoo Linux is a perfect example of this. When Daniel Robbins created the Gentoo Foundation and stepped down as chief architect, it was the beginning of the end for Gentoo. Much drama has unfolded since then and in spectacular fashion all over the internet. These days, Gentoo Linux is a shadow of its former self.
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