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Quote from: RapTarX on November 29, 2020, 03:27:34 AM

Damn, Aussies are rocking. Such a huge performance from the top 5 players!! This is the second time in ODI history that top 5 players had 50+ runs. Well, the sum I thought would be 400+ but they couldn’t. It’s an achievable chase; Indian top order must have add some quick runs at the power play.

389 runs is not easily achievable in ODI. Also India have lost their two early wickets with only 67 runs on the board. I think India will not be able to chase these runs in this match. A loss here for Indian team will mean the loss of the series. They would not have wanted to started the series in this manner.

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Damn, Aussies are rocking. Such a huge performance from the top 5 players!! This is the second time in ODI history that top 5 players had 50+ runs. Well, the sum I thought would be 400+ but they couldn’t. It’s an achievable chase; Indian top order must have add some quick runs at the power play.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on November 29, 2020, 02:36:52 AM

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Australia batsmen trying to tell Indian bowlers that its going to be very long and painful series for them. Grin

Every batsmen knocking them out of the park and ridiculing them. Tongue

The Australian top 5 players scored half century and Smith scored his second century of the series and we have many more to come, i was expecting Australia to put a total of 400 runs to chase and it looks like the Aussies are adamant to see how well Kohli can chase huge totals Cheesy

. The same repetition of the first match and today India should score more runs than the first match and improve their batting average rather than going for the target Cheesy

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Indian players have already lost the match mentally it is now only a face saving obligation for them to reach as near as possible to the required score of 389. Brilliant performance by the Australian batsmen, they were more aggressive than they were while playing the IPL.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on November 29, 2020, 02:36:52 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on November 29, 2020, 02:25:40 AM

Australia batsmen trying to tell Indian bowlers that its going to be very long and painful series for them. Grin

Every batsmen knocking them out of the park and ridiculing them. Tongue

The Australian top 5 players scored half century and Smith scored his second century of the series and we have many more to come, i was expecting Australia to put a total of 400 runs to chase and it looks like the Aussies are adamant to see how well Kohli can chase huge totals Cheesy

. The same repetition of the first match and today India should score more runs than the first match and improve their batting average rather than going for the target Cheesy

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We can see totally different kind of performance from Australian batsmen compared to their IPL performance especially Maxwell looks to be in the top notch form but few weeks back he was struggling to meet the ball with his bat. Its going to be a tough chase and almost impossible to chase it down.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 29, 2020, 02:25:40 AM

Australia batsmen trying to tell Indian bowlers that its going to be very long and painful series for them. Grin

Every batsmen knocking them out of the park and ridiculing them. Tongue

The Australian top 5 players scored half century and Smith scored his second century of the series and we have many more to come, i was expecting Australia to put a total of 400 runs to chase and it looks like the Aussies are adamant to see how well Kohli can chase huge totals Cheesy

. The same repetition of the first match and today India should score more runs than the first match and improve their batting average rather than going for the target Cheesy

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Australian batsmen trying to tell Indian bowlers that its going to be very long and painful series for them. Grin

Every batsmen knocking them out of the park and ridiculing them. Tongue

Good to see Hardik taking charge and Mayank filling up for Saini was surprising move...

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Phew.... 389, more or less highlight of the first game Grin

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on November 29, 2020, 12:11:53 AM

Both the openers are still on the pitch and David Warner is on destruction mode. They will surely put on a big score today which India will struggle to reach. I guess the spinners were introduced only to reduced the run rate as they are unable to get anything out of the wicket. It is still very early to comment as only the first 20 overs have been bowled. A lot of game still remains but looking at the beginning of the match Australia are dominating it.

Won't be surprised if Australia sets up another 350 plus score today. Indian spinners (Chahal/Jadeja) are looking clueless. I would have expected Virat Kohli to give more overs to Shami and Bumrah in the middle of the innings. They need to get these two (Warner/Finch) out at any cost. And since the other bowlers look incapable of doing it, my opinion is that the opening bowlers need to be brought back. Perhaps Kohli can give them short spells of 2-3 overs each.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 28, 2020, 11:47:44 PM

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For the second ODI also, India have gone with the same bowling lineup. And this time, they seems to have got a good start. Both Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammed Shami are bowling with good line and length.

I agree with you on the second part of your post. Nowadays we expect the bowlers to chip in with the bat as well. As we saw during the last match, Navdeep Saini and Mohammed Shami made noticeable contributions with the bat. But then we can't expect genuine tail enders such as Bumrah to do the same.

I think they did okay sticking with the same team and Virat is creating new record on losing toss. Yeah they both are bowling good but Aussie targeting Saini strategically and one thing i noticed that India making habit of not picking up any wickets during the Power play, although they were bit unlucky today.

Australia heading toward big score again.

Both the openers are still on the pitch and David Warner is on destruction mode. They will surely put on a big score today which India will struggle to reach. I guess the spinners were introduced only to reduced the run rate as they are unable to get anything out of the wicket. It is still very early to comment as only the first 20 overs have been bowled. A lot of game still remains but looking at the beginning of the match Australia are dominating it.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 28, 2020, 09:02:58 AM

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For the second ODI also, India have gone with the same bowling lineup. And this time, they seems to have got a good start. Both Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammed Shami are bowling with good line and length.

I agree with you on the second part of your post. Nowadays we expect the bowlers to chip in with the bat as well. As we saw during the last match, Navdeep Saini and Mohammed Shami made noticeable contributions with the bat. But then we can't expect genuine tail enders such as Bumrah to do the same.

I think they did okay sticking with the same team and Virat is creating new record on losing toss. Yeah they both are bowling good but Aussie targeting Saini strategically and one thing i noticed that India making habit of not picking up any wickets during the Power play, although they were bit unlucky today.

Australia heading toward big score again.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 28, 2020, 09:02:58 AM

Current Indian bowling line up is good in all 3 formats and they have good back up bowlers as well so one bad game is not something to worry about. Indian team might come back strongly in the next game.

You don't need to find any new bowler but encourage top order batsmen to learn the skill. After all nowadays we expect bowlers to contribute with the bat too, right? so why not batsmen should learn a extra skill ? They are bowling or not, it doesn't matter as its depends on the situation . Sometimes having a extra bowler comes very hand, lets say your regular bowlers having a bad day then part timers could slip couple of overs.

For the second ODI also, India have gone with the same bowling lineup. And this time, they seems to have got a good start. Both Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammed Shami are bowling with good line and length.

I agree with you on the second part of your post. Nowadays we expect the bowlers to chip in with the bat as well. As we saw during the last match, Navdeep Saini and Mohammed Shami made noticeable contributions with the bat. But then we can't expect genuine tail enders such as Bumrah to do the same.

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Before India had Sachin, Sehwag, Gangully, Yuvraj, Raina who used to ball as part timer every now n then but sadly this tradition is dead in current Indian batsmen.

Yuvraj was easily the best among the names that you mentioned. It's tough to find such part-time bowlers in any team. I was excited about Varun Chakravarty's inclusion which could have been a game-changer, but his injury threw that prospect out.

Instead of focusing on part-time bowlers, the team needs to focus on their main bowlers primarily since Shami and Chahal are the only bowlers who are consistently taking wickets in recent times.

Current Indian bowling line up is good in all 3 formats and they have good back up bowlers as well so one bad game is not something to worry about. Indian team might come back strongly in the next game.

You don't need to find any new bowler but encourage top order batsmen to learn the skill. After all nowadays we expect bowlers to contribute with the bat too, right? so why not batsmen should learn a extra skill ? They are bowling or not, it doesn't matter as its depends on the situation . Sometimes having a extra bowler comes very hand, lets say your regular bowlers having a bad day then part timers could slip couple of overs.

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India failed to produce a genuine fast bowling all rounder, by the way Pandya itself a pacer but not bowling due to the injury concern and team India has to go with the options they are having.Maybe they need to change the bowling combination in the mext matches to find the right partners who is capable of taking wickets.

Does India have a genuine all rounder, i only remember bits and peaces players who could fill a few overs and then they could bat, Pandya could bowl and he is not fit and i have seen Vijay Shankar playing well in the IPL and he could be considered as an all rounder.

The pitch they played the first game looked flat and none of the bowlers were getting any assistance and India gave away runs because of their fielding and until they improve those, it is difficult for them to win any matches .

I am not sure Vijay Shankar can replace the place of Pandya because Pandya performed his best in this IPL while Shankar just played average performance comparing the whole season. Probably players are in the domestic leagues but they are yet to find their international career.

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Quote from: mersal on November 28, 2020, 03:35:14 AM

India failed to produce a genuine fast bowling all rounder, by the way Pandya itself a pacer but not bowling due to the injury concern and team India has to go with the options they are having.Maybe they need to change the bowling combination in the mext matches to find the right partners who is capable of taking wickets.

Does India have a genuine all rounder, i only remember bits and peaces players who could fill a few overs and then they could bat, Pandya could bowl and he is not fit and i have seen Vijay Shankar playing well in the IPL and he could be considered as an all rounder.

The pitch they played the first game looked flat and none of the bowlers were getting any assistance and India gave away runs because of their fielding and until they improve those, it is difficult for them to win any matches .

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Hardik Pandya turn out most useful for the Indian Team eventually but yesterday were failed. I believe he could manage but indeed it was a big total. He is very aggressive and this temperament should continue when team is needy. Pandya continues to be an asset for India and his return in the bowling department can be proved crucial.

Hardik Pandya is most useful for short bursts towards the end. I don't think that he has yet achieved the maturity to play long innings. He played well yesterday. But when someone scores big and his team losses the match, people tend to forget about the performance very soon. It may not be a bad idea to promote him a little bit higher up the order.

He's next Kapil Dev Grin

I don't have much grievance from the last game as far as batting is concern. Everyone tried their best but target was too big and you can't chase mammoth targets everytime so its okay.

My concern is 6th bowler. If India can't produce genuine all rounder then they should focus more on part time bowlers and top 5-6 batsmen should step up but sadly no one seems interested to take a ball or even try. 6th bowler + part timer bowlers are need of modern cricket, unfortunately Team India not taking this seriously.

Before India had Sachin, Sehwag, Gangully, Yuvraj, Raina who used to ball as part timer every now n then but sadly this tradition is dead in current Indian batsmen.

India failed to produce a genuine fast bowling all rounder, by the way Pandya itself a pacer but not bowling due to the injury concern and team India has to go with the options they are having.Maybe they need to change the bowling combination in the mext matches to find the right partners who is capable of taking wickets.

India only have a medium pace baller for long time and Bhuvi is good with swing but due to injury/form is not in the team. Bumrah is being one of the strike bowlers in recent times with his consistent york deliveries. Hardik is good allrounder for team, but 1 thing as far as long term playing consistently is if he admire the success he has got in short time and gets carried away then it will not take much time which will impact his performance on ground. Till time he is performing no one points at him, but soon he loses his form then media goes back to his personal life’s and will relate his poor performances accordingly which will hurt him more.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 28, 2020, 02:55:23 AM

Before India had Sachin, Sehwag, Gangully, Yuvraj, Raina who used to ball as part timer every now n then but sadly this tradition is dead in current Indian batsmen.

Yuvraj was easily the best among the names that you mentioned. It's tough to find such part-time bowlers in any team. I was excited about Varun Chakravarty's inclusion which could have been a game-changer, but his injury threw that prospect out.

Instead of focusing on part-time bowlers, the team needs to focus on their main bowlers primarily since Shami and Chahal are the only bowlers who are consistently taking wickets in recent times.

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Quote from: mersal on November 28, 2020, 03:35:14 AM

India failed to produce a genuine fast bowling all rounder, by the way Pandya itself a pacer but not bowling due to the injury concern and team India has to go with the options they are having.Maybe they need to change the bowling combination in the mext matches to find the right partners who is capable of taking wickets.

Vijay Shankar is the closest we have to a pace bowling allrounder, who is rather strong in batting. But he hasn't lived up to the hype. Such players are very crucial in limited overs cricket now, as seen from the success of Marcus Stoinis and James Neesham. It was West Indies which first experimented with such players, and other countries soon realized the advantages.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 28, 2020, 01:32:58 AM

Quote from: onecall123 on November 28, 2020, 01:04:18 AM

Hardik Pandya turn out most useful for the Indian Team eventually but yesterday were failed. I believe he could manage but indeed it was a big total. He is very aggressive and this temperament should continue when team is needy. Pandya continues to be an asset for India and his return in the bowling department can be proved crucial.

Hardik Pandya is most useful for short bursts towards the end. I don't think that he has yet achieved the maturity to play long innings. He played well yesterday. But when someone scores big and his team losses the match, people tend to forget about the performance very soon. It may not be a bad idea to promote him a little bit higher up the order.

He's next Kapil Dev Grin

I don't have much grievance from the last game as far as batting is concern. Everyone tried their best but target was too big and you can't chase mammoth targets everytime so its okay.

My concern is 6th bowler. If India can't produce genuine all rounder then they should focus more on part time bowlers and top 5-6 batsmen should step up but sadly no one seems interested to take a ball or even try. 6th bowler + part timer bowlers are need of modern cricket, unfortunately Team India not taking this seriously.

Before India had Sachin, Sehwag, Gangully, Yuvraj, Raina who used to ball as part timer every now n then but sadly this tradition is dead in current Indian batsmen.

India failed to produce a genuine fast bowling all rounder, by the way Pandya itself a pacer but not bowling due to the injury concern and team India has to go with the options they are having.Maybe they need to change the bowling combination in the mext matches to find the right partners who is capable of taking wickets.

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Quote from: RapTarX on November 27, 2020, 06:43:40 PM

It could have been another successful chase India as they did back in the day. I was hopeful that India will win till Hardik was there. He played an extraordinary match although he couldn't end it well.

What chase are you talking about? No team has chased a target greater than 334 or something successfully on that ground which is why India was in a bad position ever since Australia set that monstrous target up for them.

Also, expecting just Hardik to lead them to a win is silly. Australia had several players score centuries for them(Finch and Smith) while Warner and Maxwell scored well too.

On the other hand, Dhawan and Hardik were the only top Indian performers and none of them scored a century.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 28, 2020, 01:32:58 AM

Quote from: onecall123 on November 28, 2020, 01:04:18 AM

Hardik Pandya turn out most useful for the Indian Team eventually but yesterday were failed. I believe he could manage but indeed it was a big total. He is very aggressive and this temperament should continue when team is needy. Pandya continues to be an asset for India and his return in the bowling department can be proved crucial.

Hardik Pandya is most useful for short bursts towards the end. I don't think that he has yet achieved the maturity to play long innings. He played well yesterday. But when someone scores big and his team losses the match, people tend to forget about the performance very soon. It may not be a bad idea to promote him a little bit higher up the order.

He's next Kapil Dev Grin

I don't have much grievance from the last game as far as batting is concern. Everyone tried their best but target was too big and you can't chase mammoth targets everytime so its okay.

My concern is 6th bowler. If India can't produce genuine all rounder then they should focus more on part time bowlers and top 5-6 batsmen should step up but sadly no one seems interested to take a ball or even try. 6th bowler + part timer bowlers are need of modern cricket, unfortunately Team India not taking this seriously.

Before India had Sachin, Sehwag, Gangully, Yuvraj, Raina who used to ball as part timer every now n then but sadly this tradition is dead in current Indian batsmen.

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Quote from: onecall123 on November 28, 2020, 01:04:18 AM

Hardik Pandya turn out most useful for the Indian Team eventually but yesterday were failed. I believe he could manage but indeed it was a big total. He is very aggressive and this temperament should continue when team is needy. Pandya continues to be an asset for India and his return in the bowling department can be proved crucial.

Hardik Pandya is most useful for short bursts towards the end. I don't think that he has yet achieved the maturity to play long innings. He played well yesterday. But when someone scores big and his team losses the match, people tend to forget about the performance very soon. It may not be a bad idea to promote him a little bit higher up the order.

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