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As far as I know, Rohit Sharma is out of the team now for his personal needs.
I agree with Aakash Chopra. India team need Rohit Sharma to score over 350 runs. Rohit Sharma is also needed for batting for chasing a big target. Because Rohit Sharma can stay at the crease for a long time and bring a big collection for the team. what do you think?

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Is anyone else thinking that this series Aus vs Ind getting too friendly?
Players patting each others on back, joking around even after getting hit, rubbing belly (KL-Smith). IPL hijacking the old rivalry.

Within the next few years, cricket will resemble more like football and club (franchise) cricket will be the first priority for the players, as well as for the boards. Already we are witnessing the trend of players resigning from the international cricket, so that they could concentrate more on the franchise leagues. And this will have a negative impact on the smaller boards.

The ICC should make some rules now. For example, a player can play in the franchise league for a certain period of time after retiring from international cricket. There should also be some more restrictions. Otherwise, small cricket boards will not last long. Teams like Zimbabwe, West Indies will ruind very quickly. Their players will retire quickly from the international cricket and play in different leagues.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 30, 2020, 10:30:12 PM

Is anyone else thinking that this series Aus vs Ind getting too friendly?
Players patting each others on back, joking around even after getting hit, rubbing belly (KL-Smith). IPL hijacking the old rivalry.

Within the next few years, cricket will resemble more like football and club (franchise) cricket will be the first priority for the players, as well as for the boards. Already we are witnessing the trend of players resigning from the international cricket, so that they could concentrate more on the franchise leagues. And this will have a negative impact on the smaller boards.

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Is anyone else thinking that this series Aus vs Ind getting too friendly?

Players patting each others on back, joking around even after getting hit, rubbing belly (KL-Smith). IPL hijacking the old rivalry.

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Quote from: vella85 on November 30, 2020, 04:41:02 PM

Even though Australia has won the series I too would like to see how India go batting first and then see if Australia can chase down the target. I also think that if India bat first that they would need a minimum of 350 runs as the Australian batting line up is very strong however Warner will miss the next ODI match and could also be in doubt for the first test match.

The next ODI will be played at Canberra (Manuka Oval) and therefore the conditions may be different from what they had in Sydney. So in case the pitch offers more support for the pace bowlers, it may be a bad decision to choose batting if they win the toss. The last ODI was played at this ground more than 4 years ago (Australia vs New Zealand), and it was a high scoring game with Australia ending up at 378/5.

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Actually Mitchell Starc bowled worse than anyone in the Indian bowling lineup. In the end, it didn't matter because Australia had such a huge score to defend. But I have a feeling that if India had won the toss, and decided to bat first, then things could have been much different. India could have set a total of 350-360, and the Australians could have struggled to chase this down.

The two ODI was played in batting paradise and i really feel sad for the bowlers and the batsman were able to adjust to the pace and score runs off Mitchell Starc and the bowlers who were able to mix the deliveries with scrambled seam and slower balls will have any advantage in these flat pitches and i would like to see India batting first in their next match and see how it goes and until India is able to score above 350 runs Australia will chase them.

Even though Australia has won the series I too would like to see how India go batting first and then see if Australia can chase down the target. I also think that if India bat first that they would need a minimum of 350 runs as the Australian batting line up is very strong however Warner will miss the next ODI match and could also be in doubt for the first test match.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 29, 2020, 09:45:19 PM

Actually Mitchell Starc bowled worse than anyone in the Indian bowling lineup. In the end, it didn't matter because Australia had such a huge score to defend. But I have a feeling that if India had won the toss, and decided to bat first, then things could have been much different. India could have set a total of 350-360, and the Australians could have struggled to chase this down.

The two ODI was played in batting paradise and i really feel sad for the bowlers and the batsman were able to adjust to the pace and score runs off Mitchell Starc and the bowlers who were able to mix the deliveries with scrambled seam and slower balls will have any advantage in these flat pitches and i would like to see India batting first in their next match and see how it goes and until India is able to score above 350 runs Australia will chase them.

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MA Starc is giving a lot of runs. Cummins and Zampa are successful bowlers. They are getting wickets and giving fewer runs. I think spinners are getting more benefits on this pitch than pacers. India can have an extra spinner in their squad. Because even if the spinners get fewer wickets, they are not spending more runs.

I don't know whether it will be a good idea to have an extra spinner. Yuzvendra Chahal went for plenty of runs during the first two matches. Jadeja was a bit better, but even he couldn't manage to take wickets. India can have an extra bowler in the playing XI, but I don't think that it should be a spinner. If they want to include Kuldeep, then it will be better to drop Chahal.

Extra bowler?

And how are we going to fit extra bowler in the Playing XI? and who is going to sit out specialist batsmen or Hardik or Jadeja? You can't change top 5 batsmen (Mayank,Sikhar,Virat, Iyer,Rahul) as batting might get bit weaker.

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Quote from: ene1980 on November 30, 2020, 06:43:48 AM

Australia is playing with a mission, to wish wash India and there is nothing that can be done to avoid that, may be rain might help them as there was rain in New Zealand and the T20 match against West Indies was abandoned and it can happen it the third ODI and save the embarrassment for India Grin

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You are underestimating the Indian team. Don't you think that the team is able to beat Australia? Batsman are doing their job accordingly but India couldn’t make a good combination of bowlers. With a few changes, I think India can come back in the next match with more stronger and will have different result.

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Your point is correct. The Indian team can give the youngsters a chance. But I think they will be desperate to win the next match. It is a shame for the Indian team to be a whitewash and the Indian cricket fans are very fierce. They could be more aggressive if the India team whitewash.

Australia is playing with a mission, to wish wash India and there is nothing that can be done to avoid that, may be rain might help them as there was rain in New Zealand and the T20 match against West Indies was abandoned and it can happen it the third ODI and save the embarrassment for India Grin

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Quote from: Iranus on November 30, 2020, 12:59:07 AM

MA Starc is giving a lot of runs. Cummins and Zampa are successful bowlers. They are getting wickets and giving fewer runs. I think spinners are getting more benefits on this pitch than pacers. India can have an extra spinner in their squad. Because even if the spinners get fewer wickets, they are not spending more runs.

I don't know whether it will be a good idea to have an extra spinner. Yuzvendra Chahal went for plenty of runs during the first two matches. Jadeja was a bit better, but even he couldn't manage to take wickets. India can have an extra bowler in the playing XI, but I don't think that it should be a spinner. If they want to include Kuldeep, then it will be better to drop Chahal.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on November 29, 2020, 02:02:34 PM

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The batsmen have been able to perform their duties properly. To bat for 380 runs target, being able to score more than 330 runs is definitely good batting. Indian bowlers are not comfortable on the Australian pitch. They are not giving their best. We have seen Bumrah bowl great in the IPL. But Bumrah is not able to bowl better on the Australian pitch. Although the pitches are mainly batting dependent, such poor bowling cannot be expected from India.

It is not the Indian fast bowlers that are struggling in this pitch, Mitchell Starc is also struggling as he is taken for runs in the first two matches and the only bowler that is successful is Adam Zampa who was able to pick wickets.
I want to see competitive matches rather than flat wickets where batsman dominate and the only way they could loose wicket is when they hit straight to a fielder.

MA Starc is giving a lot of runs. Cummins and Zampa are successful bowlers. They are getting wickets and giving fewer runs. I think spinners are getting more benefits on this pitch than pacers. India can have an extra spinner in their squad. Because even if the spinners get fewer wickets, they are not spending more runs.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on November 29, 2020, 02:02:34 PM

It is not the Indian fast bowlers that are struggling in this pitch, Mitchell Starc is also struggling as he is taken for runs in the first two matches and the only bowler that is successful is Adam Zampa who was able to pick wickets.
I want to see competitive matches rather than flat wickets where batsman dominate and the only way they could loose wicket is when they hit straight to a fielder.

Actually Mitchell Starc bowled worse than anyone in the Indian bowling lineup. In the end, it didn't matter because Australia had such a huge score to defend. But I have a feeling that if India had won the toss, and decided to bat first, then things could have been much different. India could have set a total of 350-360, and the Australians could have struggled to chase this down.

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Quote from: Iranus on November 29, 2020, 01:41:49 PM

The batsmen have been able to perform their duties properly. To bat for 380 runs target, being able to score more than 330 runs is definitely good batting. Indian bowlers are not comfortable on the Australian pitch. They are not giving their best. We have seen Bumrah bowl great in the IPL. But Bumrah is not able to bowl better on the Australian pitch. Although the pitches are mainly batting dependent, such poor bowling cannot be expected from India.

It is not the Indian fast bowlers that are struggling in this pitch, Mitchell Starc is also struggling as he is taken for runs in the first two matches and the only bowler that is successful is Adam Zampa who was able to pick wickets.
I want to see competitive matches rather than flat wickets where batsman dominate and the only way they could loose wicket is when they hit straight to a fielder.

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Quote from: onecall123 on November 29, 2020, 12:10:13 PM

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India have lost two matches. I would say their batsmen have played very well. But their bowlers are not successful. Their performance are very bad . If their bowlers can’t improve themselves in the next match too, they will be whitewashed by Austrelian squad. MA Starc said, they want to whitewash India in this series.

India have now five consecutive lost their in ODIs. Despite the loss Indian batsmen manged to play well. Bowlers have not been able to bowl a consistent length and even though Pandya bowled today, it was a little too late. Bowling unit needs to step up, cant expect the batsmen to play much better everytime while chasing such a big targets. India lost his match because of weak bowling. Most of the time Kohli’s captaincy has been off color while chasing the game.

The batsmen have been able to perform their duties properly. To bat for 380 runs target, being able to score more than 330 runs is definitely good batting. Indian bowlers are not comfortable on the Australian pitch. They are not giving their best. We have seen Bumrah bowl great in the IPL. But Bumrah is not able to bowl better on the Australian pitch. Although the pitches are mainly batting dependent, such poor bowling cannot be expected from India.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on November 29, 2020, 12:15:13 PM

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India have now five consecutive lost their in ODIs. Despite the loss Indian batsmen manged to play well. Bowlers have not been able to bowl a consistent length and even though Pandya bowled today, it was a little too late. Bowling unit needs to step up, cant expect the batsmen to play much better everytime while chasing such a big targets. India lost his match because of weak bowling. Most of the time Kohli’s captaincy has been off color while chasing the game.

I can partly agree to your post. But did you watch Steve Smith batting today? Even the commentators were saying that it is impossible to bowl a good line and length against him. Because he will score runs no matter where you deliver the ball. The Indian bowlers tried hard, deploying whatever tricks and tactics they know of. But Smith was scoring runs at such an ease, that they got demoralized in the end. Ironically, the only bowler who impressed me was Hardik Pandya, who was bowling despite being injured.

From the scoring pattern itself it is clear, the pitch is supportive for batsmen. If not, for all the efforts at some point the scoring could've been stopped by the bowlers. As said above, we can't blame the bowlers in todays match. Already the ground is good for batting, apart from this home ground advantage is also there. In such a situation India reaching 338 runs is good cricket.

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Quote from: onecall123 on November 29, 2020, 12:10:13 PM

India have now five consecutive lost their in ODIs. Despite the loss Indian batsmen manged to play well. Bowlers have not been able to bowl a consistent length and even though Pandya bowled today, it was a little too late. Bowling unit needs to step up, cant expect the batsmen to play much better everytime while chasing such a big targets. India lost his match because of weak bowling. Most of the time Kohli’s captaincy has been off color while chasing the game.

I can partly agree to your post. But did you watch Steve Smith batting today? Even the commentators were saying that it is impossible to bowl a good line and length against him. Because he will score runs no matter where you deliver the ball. The Indian bowlers tried hard, deploying whatever tricks and tactics they know of. But Smith was scoring runs at such an ease, that they got demoralized in the end. Ironically, the only bowler who impressed me was Hardik Pandya, who was bowling despite being injured.

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Quote from: Iranus on November 29, 2020, 08:22:34 AM

India have lost two matches. I would say their batsmen have played very well. But their bowlers are not successful. Their performance are very bad . If their bowlers can’t improve themselves in the next match too, they will be whitewashed by Austrelian squad. MA Starc said, they want to whitewash India in this series.

India have now five consecutive lost their in ODIs. Despite the loss Indian batsmen manged to play well. Bowlers have not been able to bowl a consistent length and even though Pandya bowled today, it was a little too late. Bowling unit needs to step up, cant expect the batsmen to play much better everytime while chasing such a big targets. India lost his match because of weak bowling. Most of the time Kohli’s captaincy has been off color while chasing the game.

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India have lost two matches. I would say their batsmen have played very well. But their bowlers are not successful. Their performance are very bad . If their bowlers can’t improve themselves in the next match too, they will be whitewashed by Austrelian squad. MA Starc said, they want to whitewash India in this series.

Australia will white wash India in this series and the pitches are batsman friendly and the bowlers are not getting any assistance from the pitch and you cannot complain them as both teams are struggling with their bowling and the reason they are getting the wickets is because of the big score they are able to put on the board, next one i would like to see India winning the toss and batting first and lets see whether we can see any difference.

India will not be able to win even if they bat first. At least I think so. If you look at the strategy of the Australians team, they want to save wickets without looking at the run rate in the first 20 overs. But the Indian batsmen batted aggressively from the start. And quickly lost wickets. Even if Australia bat later, I think they will keep their strategy right. I am hopeful they will win the last match too

Startegy changes when you bat first as otherwise chasing big score when you are already in a do or die game. So the first 20 overs in such situation becomes crucial because if start is good then run rate remains under control and also the pressure on remaining batsman are limited else if RR shoots to 9 from 30th over then there is hardly any chance to settle for new batsman in the game and has to hit from first ball. Chances could have been better if India would have won and elected to bat first as against batting second.

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I don't think NA Saini should be given another chance in this series. If the bowling action of the Indian team does not change in the next match too and the bowlers are unable to perform well, then the Indian team will be whitewashed. And it will not be honorable for them at all. India will want to win the next match in any way. I think they definitely need to change the bowling lineup.

There is no point in targeting Saini. The other bowlers also leaked a lot of runs. Both Shami and Bumrah conceded almost 8 runs per over today. Chahal also gave away a lot of easy deliveries. The outcome of the third match doesn't matter much, as Australia have won the series. And for India, their position in the points table for the 2020–22 ICC Cricket World Cup Super League is not important, as they have already qualified for the 2023 World Cup. So I agree with JSRAW. For the third match, India can include youngsters like Natarajan and Saini in the playing XI.

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