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Bangladesh cricket team has lots of problem not just that absence of wrist spinner. Despite having so much craze of cricket, Bangladesh failed to impress cricket with its performance in all formats. Even after 20 years of getting test status there win against a major team is still considered as an upset. I am not expecting much from Bangladesh in current T20 and Test series against Pakistan.

^ Because the problem lies in affecting every aspect of Bangladesh cricket. When the people in power are corrupt, The team cannot prosper. Have you ever wondered why Soumya Sarkar is still on the team? Yes, I will let you guys find that out and I am not even talking about Muhammad Mithun.

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Quote from: kro55 on November 17, 2021, 11:33:32 AM

In Asia, except for India, I think most countries' economies are struggling and they have bigger problems to solve and that's why cricket comes later in their mind. And also the politics in the cricket board has big effects on the team. Because I have seen in Bangladesh domestic cricket that the team which has more powerful owner wins against the team having low budget. And it causes a big mental effect on the players as they know that there is no point playing this game because they are going to lose.

Its not only the case with cricket but in every economically struggling country sports are downgrade in terms of priorities. So its nothing new that in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri lanka cricket is not getting due attention of authorities and politics have major influence over the game. Cricket teams of Sri lanka and Bangladesh need quick repair else they may lose there test status.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on November 17, 2021, 02:12:06 AM

^ I think the main problem of Bangladesh is not having any wrist spinner. Because anyone or any finger spinner can do good in spinning tracks but on flat surfaces, finger spinners are kind of useless because they don't often have too many variations like that is spinners. Bangladesh needs to get some wrist spinners in their team if they want to do good in bigger stages and especially in T20.

Bangladesh cricket team has lots of problem not just that absence of wrist spinner. Despite having so much craze of cricket, Bangladesh failed to impress cricket with its performance in all formats. Even after 20 years of getting test status there win against a major team is still considered as an upset. I am not expecting much from Bangladesh in current T20 and Test series against Pakistan.

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Quote from: galambo on November 17, 2021, 11:18:30 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on November 17, 2021, 09:50:12 PM

I agree that the ICC fund distribution is not being done in a fair manner. It is being done in a way to make rich boards richer and poor boards poorer. For the 2015-23 cycle, the BCCI (richest board in the world) will receive almost 5 times the funds when compared to the poorest boards like Ireland and Afghanistan. But it is till an improvement. During the Pawar/Srinivasan era, the BCCI used to receive 50 times the funds when compared to Cricket Ireland. They are yet to decide on the distribution model for 2024-32, but I hope that it will be done in an unbiased manner.

India is major contributor for ICC funds and major beneficiary also. ICC matters are mostly decided by Big3 boards. Now due to IPL, BCCI has more control over small boards and ICC. As far as 2024-32 distribution model is concerned I don't think it will different from 2015-23 model. Rich boards will become more rich.

@Sithara007 I believe that there won’t be any major changes in the revenue structure, because we’re coming out of pandemic year’s, and I’m pretty sure that the big 3 won’t be keen to take any pay cut. @galambo you’re absolutely correct the big 3 are bound to become richer, and I doubt that other teams will object to it because they won’t be keen to lose revenues coming from IPL.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 17, 2021, 09:50:12 PM

I agree that the ICC fund distribution is not being done in a fair manner. It is being done in a way to make rich boards richer and poor boards poorer. For the 2015-23 cycle, the BCCI (richest board in the world) will receive almost 5 times the funds when compared to the poorest boards like Ireland and Afghanistan. But it is till an improvement. During the Pawar/Srinivasan era, the BCCI used to receive 50 times the funds when compared to Cricket Ireland. They are yet to decide on the distribution model for 2024-32, but I hope that it will be done in an unbiased manner.

India is major contributor for ICC funds and major beneficiary also. ICC matters are mostly decided by Big3 boards. Now due to IPL, BCCI has more control over small boards and ICC. As far as 2024-32 distribution model is concerned I don't think it will different from 2015-23 model. Rich boards will become more rich.

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Quote from: galambo on November 17, 2021, 10:55:47 AM

That may be one reason why Bangladesh and Sri lanka teams are down and out these days. But we will not see any support from big 3 for such small boards. PCB for instance, is undergoing huge financial crisis but recently NZ and ECB cancelled there tours despite knowing this financial crisis. Small boards have to do themselves to uplift there teams, don't expect anything from ICC or from big 3.

I agree that the ICC fund distribution is not being done in a fair manner. It is being done in a way to make rich boards richer and poor boards poorer. For the 2015-23 cycle, the BCCI (richest board in the world) will receive almost 5 times the funds when compared to the poorest boards like Ireland and Afghanistan. But it is till an improvement. During the Pawar/Srinivasan era, the BCCI used to receive 50 times the funds when compared to Cricket Ireland. They are yet to decide on the distribution model for 2024-32, but I hope that it will be done in an unbiased manner.

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Quote from: GbitG on November 15, 2021, 11:02:21 AM

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Currently, mostly countries facing due to very weak domestic system they are not funding like we have in Australia, England and India its biggest threat to their international exposure. It needs some good investment which is not coming, so they have serious ups and downs in their International forms as well all countries need to have some good and quality domestic system which give some good confidence to their players for all situations Australian really investing some good, so they are having some good benefits from this in all formats recently we have some good in India as well but still need time for having good results. In Asia, we have no good country who can spend and in this way.

In Asia, except for India, I think most countries' economies are struggling and they have bigger problems to solve and that's why cricket comes later in their mind. And also the politics in the cricket board has big effects on the team. Because I have seen in Bangladesh domestic cricket that the team which has more powerful owner wins against the team having low budget. And it causes a big mental effect on the players as they know that there is no point playing this game because they are going to lose.

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Quote from: GbitG on November 15, 2021, 11:02:21 AM

Currently, mostly countries facing due to very weak domestic system they are not funding like we have in Australia, England and India its biggest threat to their international exposure. It needs some good investment which is not coming, so they have serious ups and downs in their International forms as well all countries need to have some good and quality domestic system which give some good confidence to their players for all situations Australian really investing some good, so they are having some good benefits from this in all formats recently we have some good in India as well but still need time for having good results. In Asia, we have no good country who can spend and in this way.

That may be one reason why Bangladesh and Sri lanka teams are down and out these days. But we will not see any support from big 3 for such small boards. PCB for instance, is undergoing huge financial crisis but recently NZ and ECB cancelled there tours despite knowing this financial crisis. Small boards have to do themselves to uplift there teams, don't expect anything from ICC or from big 3.

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^ I think the main problem of Bangladesh is not having any wrist spinner. Because anyone or any finger spinner can do good in spinning tracks but on flat surfaces, finger spinners are kind of useless because they don't often have too many variations like that is spinners. Bangladesh needs to get some wrist spinners in their team if they want to do good in bigger stages and especially in T20.

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Quote from: Maidak on November 15, 2021, 04:38:16 AM

The main problem is Bangladesh is kind of in no form. They have their inside problem going on. Pakistan is surely the favorite here. And one of the main reasons why Bangladesh failed in the world cup is that they had no preparations for or the pitches that will be played in the world cup. They met their tracks suitable to themselves and that's why they failed so miserably.

The tracks that they prepared at Mirpur against New Zealand were pathetic. They were not of international quality. Bangladesh was able to sweep the series, since the inexperienced New Zealand batsmen couldn't handle the spinners in these tracks. But then they had to play the world cup matches in UAE and Oman, where the pitches were very flat. And this was when the Bangladeshi bowlers struggled to contain the batsmen. Remember that innings from Chris Greaves of Scotland?

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Pakistan will be the favorite going into the match but Pakistan is touring Bangladesh and on home soil they always have an advantage as they defeated other strong teams but after watching the World Cup they might not be a force in the shorter format but i am expecting them to perform well in the Test series. It wont be a one sided match and we can expect good competitive cricket in the Test format and the Test status is safe with Bangladesh when teams like Zimbabwe have Test status.

I don't think that Bangladesh will have any sort of home advantage. Against New Zealand, they were able to make use of the home advantage because the New Zealand bowlers struggled against spin on a track that resembled more like a dust bowl. But Pakistani batsmen are very talented in handling spin bowlers and they themselves have some of the best spinners in the world right now. So in case Bangladesh prepare dust bowls, then it will end up helping the Pakistanis. Bangladesh may be competitive, but Pakistan will be the favorites.

The main problem is Bangladesh is kind of in no form. They have their inside problem going on. Pakistan is surely the favorite here. And one of the main reasons why Bangladesh failed in the world cup is that they had no preparations for or the pitches that will be played in the world cup. They met their tracks suitable to themselves and that's why they failed so miserably.

Currently, mostly countries facing due to very weak domestic system they are not funding like we have in Australia, England and India its biggest threat to their international exposure. It needs some good investment which is not coming, so they have serious ups and downs in their International forms as well all countries need to have some good and quality domestic system which give some good confidence to their players for all situations Australian really investing some good, so they are having some good benefits from this in all formats recently we have some good in India as well but still need time for having good results. In Asia, we have no good country who can spend and in this way.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 14, 2021, 10:11:21 PM

Quote from: ene1980 on November 14, 2021, 03:33:47 PM

Pakistan will be the favorite going into the match but Pakistan is touring Bangladesh and on home soil they always have an advantage as they defeated other strong teams but after watching the World Cup they might not be a force in the shorter format but i am expecting them to perform well in the Test series. It wont be a one sided match and we can expect good competitive cricket in the Test format and the Test status is safe with Bangladesh when teams like Zimbabwe have Test status.

I don't think that Bangladesh will have any sort of home advantage. Against New Zealand, they were able to make use of the home advantage because the New Zealand bowlers struggled against spin on a track that resembled more like a dust bowl. But Pakistani batsmen are very talented in handling spin bowlers and they themselves have some of the best spinners in the world right now. So in case Bangladesh prepare dust bowls, then it will end up helping the Pakistanis. Bangladesh may be competitive, but Pakistan will be the favorites.

The main problem is Bangladesh is kind of in no form. They have their inside problem going on. Pakistan is surely the favorite here. And one of the main reasons why Bangladesh failed in the world cup is that they had no preparations for or the pitches that will be played in the world cup. They met their tracks suitable to themselves and that's why they failed so miserably.

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Quote from: ene1980 on November 14, 2021, 03:33:47 PM

Pakistan will be the favorite going into the match but Pakistan is touring Bangladesh and on home soil they always have an advantage as they defeated other strong teams but after watching the World Cup they might not be a force in the shorter format but i am expecting them to perform well in the Test series. It wont be a one sided match and we can expect good competitive cricket in the Test format and the Test status is safe with Bangladesh when teams like Zimbabwe have Test status.

I don't think that Bangladesh will have any sort of home advantage. Against New Zealand, they were able to make use of the home advantage because the New Zealand bowlers struggled against spin on a track that resembled more like a dust bowl. But Pakistani batsmen are very talented in handling spin bowlers and they themselves have some of the best spinners in the world right now. So in case Bangladesh prepare dust bowls, then it will end up helping the Pakistanis. Bangladesh may be competitive, but Pakistan will be the favorites.

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Quote from: Theones on November 14, 2021, 01:14:17 PM

T20 series against Bangladesh will start on 19 Nov 2021 and test will start from 26 Nov 2021. From betting perspective odds will be in favor of Pakistan though I haven't checked yet. I am afraid the way Bangladesh cricket is going, ICC will remove there Test status very soon and that will not be good for Bangladesh future cricket. Bangladesh cricket board must sit and think seriously about there team revival.

Pakistan will be the favorite going into the match but Pakistan is touring Bangladesh and on home soil they always have an advantage as they defeated other strong teams but after watching the World Cup they might not be a force in the shorter format but i am expecting them to perform well in the Test series. It wont be a one sided match and we can expect good competitive cricket in the Test format and the Test status is safe with Bangladesh when teams like Zimbabwe have Test status.

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Quote from: Shagnasty on November 14, 2021, 11:12:58 AM

Frankly speaking Bangladesh has never done wonders in test matches and not beaten good teams in test matches. Only some times in their conditions they beaten side like england when they were not at their best but beating any asian team in test matches as they are good against spin as well and main problem is bagladesh dont have good fast bowlers for test matches.

T20 series against Bangladesh will start on 19 Nov 2021 and test will start from 26 Nov 2021. From betting perspective odds will be in favor of Pakistan though I haven't checked yet. I am afraid the way Bangladesh cricket is going, ICC will remove there Test status very soon and that will not be good for Bangladesh future cricket. Bangladesh cricket board must sit and think seriously about there team revival.

I also have not checked but I am 100% sure that pakistan would be clear favorites and odds on pakistan will not be very much. So betting on winning before match can be risky. Yes during inplay odds will change and we may get good odds to place the bet at that time.
Yes they should Improve the quality of their test teams, and may be the series against pakistan could prove good for them.

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Quote from: Shagnasty on November 14, 2021, 11:12:58 AM

Frankly speaking Bangladesh has never done wonders in test matches and not beaten good teams in test matches. Only some times in their conditions they beaten side like england when they were not at their best but beating any asian team in test matches as they are good against spin as well and main problem is bagladesh dont have good fast bowlers for test matches.

T20 series against Bangladesh will start on 19 Nov 2021 and test will start from 26 Nov 2021. From betting perspective odds will be in favor of Pakistan though I haven't checked yet. I am afraid the way Bangladesh cricket is going, ICC will remove there Test status very soon and that will not be good for Bangladesh future cricket. Bangladesh cricket board must sit and think seriously about there team revival.

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Malik is still in pakistan t20 squad which means that they are still seeing him play in the 2022 T20 world cup which is to be happened in australia. It is not too far away and they can do that, i think in hafeez can continue for one more year in t20 and then both of them can retire.
And yes really hope that bangladesh come back to form as they are a promising side, but just not done well recently.

Bangladesh wasn't able to win any test match against Pakistan till date. They were very close to winning test against Pakistan in 2003, thanks to responsible innings by inzamam Pakistan manage to win that test. Seeing the current form of Bangladesh I don't think there are much chances of Bangladesh winning any test match.

Frankly speaking Bangladesh has never done wonders in test matches and not beaten good teams in test matches. Only some times in their conditions they beaten side like england when they were not at their best but beating any asian team in test matches as they are good against spin as well and main problem is bagladesh dont have good fast bowlers for test matches.

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Quote from: goku19 on November 14, 2021, 03:16:24 AM

Malik is still in pakistan t20 squad which means that they are still seeing him play in the 2022 T20 world cup which is to be happened in australia. It is not too far away and they can do that, i think in hafeez can continue for one more year in t20 and then both of them can retire.
And yes really hope that bangladesh come back to form as they are a promising side, but just not done well recently.

Bangladesh wasn't able to win any test match against Pakistan till date. They were very close to winning test against Pakistan in 2003, thanks to responsible innings by inzamam Pakistan manage to win that test. Seeing the current form of Bangladesh I don't think there are much chances of Bangladesh winning any test match.

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If Pakistan is playing with the same level of intensity that they displayed during the T20 World Cup they will defeat Bangladesh without much struggle. I am not sure what are the major changes in the team for ODI and Test but still Pakistan have a good team. The strength of Bangladesh revolves around certain players especially Shakib Al Hasan to deliver and if they fail the team will be in trouble most of the time.

So far Pakistan has announced only T20 squad. Hassan Ali is still part of the team, the only change is Hafeez is replaced by Iftikhar Ahmed. Hafeez voluntary refused to be part of this squad, leaving slot for young player. I was hoping same from Malik but he is going with squad.
It very sad to see Bangladesh team not performing good in any format. Hope they will take this opportunity to revive there performance.

Malik is still in pakistan t20 squad which means that they are still seeing him play in the 2022 T20 world cup which is to be happened in australia. It is not too far away and they can do that, i think in hafeez can continue for one more year in t20 and then both of them can retire.
And yes really hope that bangladesh come back to form as they are a promising side, but just not done well recently.

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Quote from: GbitG on November 13, 2021, 05:25:52 PM

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Shakib ul Hassan saga is also having very serious impact on this team performance he was a good player but just because of his behaviour now he is losing all respect and better future right now he is gaining money nothing else good in his credit.

The only concerns is his physical fitness, he was injured during the World Cup which had an impact on how they performed after that. I am not sure about his behavior and whether that is having an impact. He is the best player from Bangladesh ever and he should be given that respect which i think is lacking from the administrators as he is always fighting with the board.

Quote from: bilal_jan321 on November 14, 2021, 12:55:10 AM

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So far Pakistan has announced only T20 squad. Hassan Ali is still part of the team, the only change is Hafeez is replaced by Iftikhar Ahmed. Hafeez voluntary refused to be part of this squad, leaving slot for young player. I was hoping same from Malik but he is going with squad.
It very sad to see Bangladesh team not performing good in any format. Hope they will take this opportunity to revive there performance.

Hasan Ali had a bad tournament but he was performing well before that, you should not crucify a player from one bad tournament and more over the UAE pitches were not helping seam bowlers, you need to be express quick or have subtle variations to be a good bowler in those pitches.

Shoaib Malik and Hafeez must be given the freedom on what they want to do with their career. You cannot replace them all of a sudden because of age, they are still performing well and if Pakistan can find a potential player that could replace him, then we can think about replacing him.

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