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Do you have a complete list of countries which are included in the test status and associate status ?
I know that countries are granted test status but didn't knew about this associate status. What is a criteria of a team to be included in associate status and test status ?

You can get the list of full members and associate members here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_International_Cricket_Council_members

As of now, there are 12 full members and 92 Associate members (of them 8 are having ODI status). On top of this, there are 5 more members whose membership has been suspended - Morocco, Cuba, Brunei, Tonga and Switzerland.

Also, regional bodies may be having more countries as members. For example, Tajikistan, Cambodia and Taiwan are members of the Asian Cricket Council, but they don't have ICC membership.
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As expected, the match between Pakistan and Zimbabwe turned out to be another one sided affair. The Zimbabwe batsmen did a somewhat decent job, but their bowlers failed once again. I don't understand the point in having a series such as this one, between two teams of unequal strength. Zimbabwe needs to be kept out, at least until their performance improves.
Although Zimbabwe lost the series but i don't agree that they should not play tournaments and series with big teams. These series will help them to find their mistakes and become a better team. If they don't play international cricket, their performance can never be improved.

Then the same logic should be applicable for teams such as Scotland and Nepal, right? They never get a chance to play against the bigger teams, while Zimbabwe plays 95% of their matches against such teams. I have no problem if Zimbabwe plays 50% of their matches against the top teams. But why can't the ICC ask them to play the remaining 50% against teams such as Scotland?

After seeing the last ODI match between Zimbabwe and Pakistan, you must have realized why Zimbabwe is given more international matches then other small teams like Scotland and Nepal.

In the past the Zimbabwe cricket team was quite a good team which had players like Grand flower and Andy flower. Later their board was involved in so much politics they failed to produce good world class players.

Their team still have potential and players like Muzarabani are worth watching but their team needs discipline and no politics of course.
There is no time to underestimate Zimbabwe.  They are definitely a good team.  Once upon a time, Green Flower and Andy Flower walked the entire cricket field.  But in the middle the way cricket is ruined is because the cricket board is involved in politics.  There are still good players in the Zimbabwean team.  Brendon Taylor, Williams, Sikandar Raja, they are very good players.  They can turn the tide of any match at any time.  The way they played with Pakistan shows that Zimbabwe is not over yet.  Only the Zimbabwe team needs discipline.  If they can play in an orderly manner then they will get back to their old days.  However, tomorrow is their first T20 match against Pakistan.  Hopefully tomorrow we will see a competitive game.
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Do you have a complete list of countries which are included in the test status and associate status ?
I know that countries are granted test status but didn't knew about this associate status. What is a criteria of a team to be included in associate status and test status ?

The following are the teams with Test status
  • Australia 
  • England 
  • South Africa 
  • West Indies
  • New Zealand 
  • India
  • Pakistan 
  • Sri Lanka 
  • Zimbabwe 
  • Bangladesh

Two teams included recently
  • Ireland
  • Afghanistan

As per the ICC site they have 92 Associate Members, the only criteria is performance as a team and winnings matches consistently among associate members.
 
 


 
 
 
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That's right. I totally agree with you. ICC should have banned Zimbabwe or solved all their internal problems. 100 million dollars is a huge amount for a team like Zimbabwe. The ICC should be re-investigated on the Zimbabwe board. There are still a lot of corrupt people on their board.

Right now, if a nation gets full member status, it is permanent. Even if they can't field a decent playing XI, the full member status can't be revoked. This needs to be changed. Associate nations that are performing well (with native players obviously) needs to be elevated to test status. At the same time, teams such as Zimbabwe needs to be kicked back to the Associate status.

Do you have a complete list of countries which are included in the test status and associate status ?
I know that countries are granted test status but didn't knew about this associate status. What is a criteria of a team to be included in associate status and test status ?
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As expected, the match between Pakistan and Zimbabwe turned out to be another one sided affair. The Zimbabwe batsmen did a somewhat decent job, but their bowlers failed once again. I don't understand the point in having a series such as this one, between two teams of unequal strength. Zimbabwe needs to be kept out, at least until their performance improves.
Although Zimbabwe lost the series but i don't agree that they should not play tournaments and series with big teams. These series will help them to find their mistakes and become a better team. If they don't play international cricket, their performance can never be improved.

Then the same logic should be applicable for teams such as Scotland and Nepal, right? They never get a chance to play against the bigger teams, while Zimbabwe plays 95% of their matches against such teams. I have no problem if Zimbabwe plays 50% of their matches against the top teams. But why can't the ICC ask them to play the remaining 50% against teams such as Scotland?

After seeing the last ODI match between Zimbabwe and Pakistan, you must have realized why Zimbabwe is given more international matches then other small teams like Scotland and Nepal.

In the past the Zimbabwe cricket team was quite a good team which had players like Grand flower and Andy flower. Later their board was involved in so much politics they failed to produce good world class players.

Their team still have potential and players like Muzarabani are worth watching but their team needs discipline and no politics of course.
Currently situation in Zimbabwae is completely worst Board is involved in politics and government is not doing any good and positive thing for settling things too many young and talented players losing their future as they have nothing good and positive thing for future its some long way planing to settle things and bring back good days back which is more serious concern as no one is on right position for right move.
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As expected, the match between Pakistan and Zimbabwe turned out to be another one sided affair. The Zimbabwe batsmen did a somewhat decent job, but their bowlers failed once again. I don't understand the point in having a series such as this one, between two teams of unequal strength. Zimbabwe needs to be kept out, at least until their performance improves.
Although Zimbabwe lost the series but i don't agree that they should not play tournaments and series with big teams. These series will help them to find their mistakes and become a better team. If they don't play international cricket, their performance can never be improved.

Then the same logic should be applicable for teams such as Scotland and Nepal, right? They never get a chance to play against the bigger teams, while Zimbabwe plays 95% of their matches against such teams. I have no problem if Zimbabwe plays 50% of their matches against the top teams. But why can't the ICC ask them to play the remaining 50% against teams such as Scotland?

After seeing the last ODI match between Zimbabwe and Pakistan, you must have realized why Zimbabwe is given more international matches then other small teams like Scotland and Nepal.

In the past the Zimbabwe cricket team was quite a good team which had players like Grand flower and Andy flower. Later their board was involved in so much politics they failed to produce good world class players.

Their team still have potential and players like Muzarabani are worth watching but their team needs discipline and no politics of course.
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Now ICC need to bring some better and solid rules for better future of cricket if any team is not giving good result then send back to Associated status and bring up team from Associated status to Full Member status as this will give some good competition to all and equal chance for giving 100% right now Zimbabwe surely deserve to go down.

ICC is a joke, when compared to other sports bodies such as FIFA and FIH. They don't have any power and they have hardly any interest in spreading the game beyond the traditional base. They can't even conduct the election for the post of chairman, and it has been vacant for the last few months. In short, no one cares about the ICC and the power lies within individual boards such as the BCCI, CA and ECB.
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That's right. I totally agree with you. ICC should have banned Zimbabwe or solved all their internal problems. 100 million dollars is a huge amount for a team like Zimbabwe. The ICC should be re-investigated on the Zimbabwe board. There are still a lot of corrupt people on their board.

Right now, if a nation gets full member status, it is permanent. Even if they can't field a decent playing XI, the full member status can't be revoked. This needs to be changed. Associate nations that are performing well (with native players obviously) needs to be elevated to test status. At the same time, teams such as Zimbabwe needs to be kicked back to the Associate status.
Now ICC need to bring some better and solid rules for better future of cricket if any team is not giving good result then send back to Associated status and bring up team from Associated status to Full Member status as this will give some good competition to all and equal chance for giving 100% right now Zimbabwe surely deserve to go down.
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That's right. I totally agree with you. ICC should have banned Zimbabwe or solved all their internal problems. 100 million dollars is a huge amount for a team like Zimbabwe. The ICC should be re-investigated on the Zimbabwe board. There are still a lot of corrupt people on their board.

Right now, if a nation gets full member status, it is permanent. Even if they can't field a decent playing XI, the full member status can't be revoked. This needs to be changed. Associate nations that are performing well (with native players obviously) needs to be elevated to test status. At the same time, teams such as Zimbabwe needs to be kicked back to the Associate status.
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Sometimes these upsets are pre-planned for whatever reasons.
Are you claiming that the match was fixed, Asian teams had the reputation of fixing matches and Pakistan had the reputation of fixing matches in the past but i do not think none of the players will dare to do that with the sentencing that faced some of their players and the media trail that followed and ruined their career.
Fixing might happen in league T20 games but not in the international level.

Match fixing happen everywhere including in International cricket.
If Pakistan had lost the match by a big margin, i would have confirmed that the match would have been fixed but i doubt this match was fixed because it went in the super over. Fixed matches don't go to the last ball for the decider.
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Your point is correct. But I don't think it's a problem of their players. This is the problem of their cricket board or the team management. Their management should ensure all facilities to the cricketers. And obviously their rules should be strictly followed. They have a lot of internal problems in the cricket board. Most people are corrupted. Even last year the ICC decided to ban them for political interference on the board.
Here is the link : https://www.aljazeera.com/sports/2019/7/18/zimbabwe-cricket-suspended-over-political-interference
The ICC should have continued with the suspension until they sort out their issues. Now they have the test status, and as a result they get around $100 million in funding for the 8-year circle. Better teams, such as Ireland and Afghanistan receive only a fraction of this amount. And the most tragic thing is that most of this amount is lost in corruption and bureaucracy.

That's right. I totally agree with you. ICC should have banned Zimbabwe or solved all their internal problems. 100 million dollars is a huge amount for a team like Zimbabwe. The ICC should be re-investigated on the Zimbabwe board. There are still a lot of corrupt people on their board.
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Sometimes these upsets are pre-planned for whatever reasons.
Are you claiming that the match was fixed, Asian teams had the reputation of fixing matches and Pakistan had the reputation of fixing matches in the past but i do not think none of the players will dare to do that with the sentencing that faced some of their players and the media trail that followed and ruined their career.
Fixing might happen in league T20 games but not in the international level.
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Will be careful and most probably will be going for the underdog if Pakistan is involved  Grin.

It's not just Pakistan. Don't you remember the recent defeat of England against Ireland? If one of the larger teams are playing against an associate nation or a lower ranked nation such as Zimbabwe, I normally bet in favor of the latter. There is a very good chance that at least one out of the three matches will end up in an upset. The returns will be greater than what you normally get from betting in favor of teams such as England and Pakistan.

Sometimes these upsets are pre-planned for whatever reasons.

Anyways, being the supporter of the host nation, i am not satisficed with the team performance and they continue to be an average performers. Limited over cricket t-20 more suits them. We have now T20 series and i am not predicting anything against our unpredictable team.
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Your point is correct. But I don't think it's a problem of their players. This is the problem of their cricket board or the team management. Their management should ensure all facilities to the cricketers. And obviously their rules should be strictly followed. They have a lot of internal problems in the cricket board. Most people are corrupted. Even last year the ICC decided to ban them for political interference on the board.
Here is the link : https://www.aljazeera.com/sports/2019/7/18/zimbabwe-cricket-suspended-over-political-interference

The ICC should have continued with the suspension until they sort out their issues. Now they have the test status, and as a result they get around $100 million in funding for the 8-year circle. Better teams, such as Ireland and Afghanistan receive only a fraction of this amount. And the most tragic thing is that most of this amount is lost in corruption and bureaucracy.
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What is this mini IPL, is this a tournament for U21 or much younger players or is it about women's cricket
They are planning to bring back the Champions League T20 where the best teams from all the franchise cricket will face to find out the best champion and right now we have many franchise T20 tournament around the world and it would be fun to see the best teams battling out but the main problem will be some of these players are playing in multiple franchise and how they will sort that out will be the biggest question.

Champions League T20 is a failed idea. During the previous editions, the viewer interest was extremely low. As you have pointed out, one of the main reasons is that there are players who represent 3-4 franchises in any given year and for them it is difficult to chose a side. Another factor is that with IPL occurring every year, adding another tournament involving the IPL teams may add to the viewer fatigue. During the last Champions League T20, the viewership figures were much lower than what they had during the IPL.
Mostly people lose interest when they see their favourite team's player is playing for another team on the same league which happen at champions league due to the international franchise tournament.And also another reason why IPL got so much support in India is due to the month which is happening at that time summer holidays in India so everyone is free on their home and has enough time to enjoy all the IPL matches.

Yes you are right
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I remember the England Ireland match where they chase down 320 something and usually the big teams does not play their best playing eleven while playing the associate nations but in that England line up i think Ben Stokes is the only major player that was missing and i do not remember the bowling line up they had in the match.

Even if England was missing a few of their players, it shouldn't matter much. Because for the past two decades, England has stolen the best cricket players produced by Ireland. Even if you take the example of the 3rd ODI (in which Ireland won), the Irish batsmen scored all the three centuries. But one of these batsmen was representing England and not Ireland.

All that said, the England playing XI was comprised of experienced players such as Morgan, Bairstow and Roy.
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Pakistan have lost one of their last three matches against Zimbabwe. Everyone is talking about it. But I would say Zimbabwe played very well throughout the series. Even in the first match I thought Zimbabwe might win. But Pakistan bowlers are very experienced. So Zimbabwe was not able to win. Zimbabwe does not have the opportunity to play against any of the big teams. As far as I can remember, they last played with a big team in December 2017. They played against South Africa. If they host more series against big teams, they may be able to play better in the future.

The problem with Zimbabwe is that we don't know who are the players included in their squad one month from now. Every now and then, the players rebel against the management and travel to England or Australia to play club cricket. They have no stability in their team and this will be having a negative impact on the cohesion and team spirit. But all that said, they performed well against Pakistan.
Your point is correct. But I don't think it's a problem of their players. This is the problem of their cricket board or the team management. Their management should ensure all facilities to the cricketers. And obviously their rules should be strictly followed. They have a lot of internal problems in the cricket board. Most people are corrupted. Even last year the ICC decided to ban them for political interference on the board.
Here is the link : https://www.aljazeera.com/sports/2019/7/18/zimbabwe-cricket-suspended-over-political-interference
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Pre match betting should be done on teams that are predictable, although cricket itself is unpredictable but, you still will have confidence on a team that has been consistently performing.
If the predictability level is high then the odds will be zero  Cheesy. I have seen enough upsets in the past few months especially in football and hence i am not surprised, cricket is the only sport where we do not see major upsets all the time especially in the longer formats.

It's not just Pakistan. Don't you remember the recent defeat of England against Ireland? If one of the larger teams are playing against an associate nation or a lower ranked nation such as Zimbabwe, I normally bet in favor of the latter. There is a very good chance that at least one out of the three matches will end up in an upset. The returns will be greater than what you normally get from betting in favor of teams such as England and Pakistan.
I remember the England Ireland match where they chase down 320 something and usually the big teams does not play their best playing eleven while playing the associate nations but in that England line up i think Ben Stokes is the only major player that was missing and i do not remember the bowling line up they had in the match.
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The problem with Zimbabwe is that we don't know who are the players included in their squad one month from now. Every now and then, the players rebel against the management and travel to England or Australia to play club cricket. They have no stability in their team and this will be having a negative impact on the cohesion and team spirit. But all that said, they performed well against Pakistan.
Do the Zimbabwe players rebel against the management, in the past they used to rebel after moving outside the country as they were worried about going to jail for speaking against them and so is the reason many players careers were stopped abruptly. The current crop of players are not well established players and if they are not confident enough to get a secure job elsewhere i doubt whether they will rebel at all.
Currently Zimbabwe is really facing some serious problems as they fail to develop their domestic set up due to corruption and personal issues and they also have some other serious factors as well like South Africa but they are very poor in quality and their players unable to play some good number of matches.
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The problem with Zimbabwe is that we don't know who are the players included in their squad one month from now. Every now and then, the players rebel against the management and travel to England or Australia to play club cricket. They have no stability in their team and this will be having a negative impact on the cohesion and team spirit. But all that said, they performed well against Pakistan.
Do the Zimbabwe players rebel against the management, in the past they used to rebel after moving outside the country as they were worried about going to jail for speaking against them and so is the reason many players careers were stopped abruptly. The current crop of players are not well established players and if they are not confident enough to get a secure job elsewhere i doubt whether they will rebel at all.
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