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The problem is the people in power, i do not think corruption is the main cause of the lack of talents coming into the team but the way in which they merit the players according to the color rather than skills, the political situation in those countries are not favorable either and these scenarios will have an impact on the outcome. If the cricket board is giving effort in the junior division in finding talents then the situation will change but who knows what is going on.

From what I have seen, many of these quota players give an impression that they are in it only in for the money. They don't have any love for the game. This can be seen from their attitude, while playing against top 3 sides. Anyway, there is no point in debating about this again and again, as the situation is unlikely to change in the near future. Both Zimbabwe and South Africa will fade away, while new teams such as Nepal and PNG will replace them in the next few decades.
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If there are so much racism and violence in their country, their cricket will sink anyway. Their cricket board is corrupt. There is a dearth of quality players in their team, and I don't think their team will last very long if the white players leave the country.

I still have hope regarding South Africa. There is a lot of talent there. Despite the emigration of so many good players, they were still able to produce promising young cricketers. But the same can't be said about Zimbabwe. They have lost their competitiveness due to the outflow of white cricketers. The talent pool in Zimbabwe is not large enough to ensure the quality without the top players.

@bryant.coleman you’re right, as South Africa does have many talented player’s who can join their team and perform on a consistent basis, but currently they’re in trouble because of their government’s interference, and though currently ICC has not banned them, but it’s quiet possible that they may get banned soon due to political interference.

Furthermore there’s very less information available about Zimbabwe cricket player’s, and even if there’re any talented player’s in Zimbabwe, we may not even know that they exist due to lack of coverage by the media.

Sources:

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12346/12108378/will-south-africa-be-banned-from-international-cricket-kass-naidoo-on-the-proteas-problems

https://www.sportskeeda.com/cricket/ipl-2020-3-south-african-players-might-know-played-ipl

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If there are so much racism and violence in their country, their cricket will sink anyway. Their cricket board is corrupt. There is a dearth of quality players in their team, and I don't think their team will last very long if the white players leave the country.

I still have hope regarding South Africa. There is a lot of talent there. Despite the emigration of so many good players, they were still able to produce promising young cricketers. But the same can't be said about Zimbabwe. They have lost their competitiveness due to the outflow of white cricketers. The talent pool in Zimbabwe is not large enough to ensure the quality without the top players.
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Biggest problem is corruption and racism these two are killing cricket in Zimbabwe and South Africa sadly black players are not going for merit mostly they are trying to have place just by quota which is never been good they must try with some good skills which will bring some good quality and more interest but sadly in last 2 decades we have never any thing like this.
The problem is the people in power, i do not think corruption is the main cause of the lack of talents coming into the team but the way in which they merit the players according to the color rather than skills, the political situation in those countries are not favorable either and these scenarios will have an impact on the outcome. If the cricket board is giving effort in the junior division in finding talents then the situation will change but who knows what is going on.
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Pakistan is playing very well, sooth to say it is expected from them. Zimbabwe is now a team completely upset, Zimbabwe's batsmen are not playing well against a team with a strong bowling line-up like Pakistan.. And as usually they are losing matches.

If you take out the professional players such as Brendan Taylor, Craig Ervine, Sean Williams and Sikandar Raza, the Zimbabwe team is a big zero. The only quality native player in my opinion is Blessing Muzarabani. And this situation is not sustainable. The white players are migrating out of Zimbabwe, due to farm invasion and violence. Very soon there will be no white players left and if the cricket board can't produce quality black players, then cricket will die down in Zimbabwe.   
If there are so much racism and violence in their country, their cricket will sink anyway. Their cricket board is corrupt. There is a dearth of quality players in their team, and I don't think their team will last very long if the white players leave the country.
Biggest problem is corruption and racism these two are killing cricket in Zimbabwe and South Africa sadly black players are not going for merit mostly they are trying to have place just by quota which is never been good they must try with some good skills which will bring some good quality and more interest but sadly in last 2 decades we have never any thing like this.
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I wasn't expecting much from the South African selectors. But this is even worse than my worst fears. Once again they have included sub-standard players just because of their skin color. How many chances are they going to give to Temba Bavuma? And they included Junior Dala. Seriously? This guy was given tons of opportunities in the past and never made use of any of it. These people are completely hopeless.

Skin color shouldn't play a factor in selecting any teams. If you start picking up sub-standard players because of some other reasons, then it is going to have negative impact on the game and people will lose interest in it. So, talent and merit should be the main criteria in selecting players in any game. It will have positive impact on the game.
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I am so happy with the performance of Pakistani players. I think they've come back with the new potential.
When they lose the first match against Zimbabwe I thought they'll lose the rest series too. But they come back and beat the team and won the series with (2-1).
I was expecting Babar Azam and they just prove with his performance and become the player of the series

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I heard this news back in April-May. It might help them but atm i am not expecting anything from them as CSA Members Counsil and Interim Board (appointed by Gov) are fighting over their dominance on SA cricket. If they don't resolve their dispute soon then South African cricket is in deep trouble.
It is difficult to see a solution if the government is fighting for the dominance and usually these are independent bodies separate from government intervention and if i remember correctly there were disputes by the BCCI and the Indian government for a while and they sorted out their issues after a battle if i remember correctly but the situation in South Africa is entirely different and i do not see a resolution coming out anytime soon.
As far as i remember(not sure) it was BCCI and State cricket associations which voluntary approached to the Supreme court to resolve their dispute so completely different, luckily Gov doesn't poke their nose much in BCCI business. Anyway If SA don't find solution soon then CSA might approach the ICC and in that case end solution look like CSA getting banned from the international cricket.
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I heard this news back in April-May. It might help them but atm i am not expecting anything from them as CSA Members Counsil and Interim Board (appointed by Gov) are fighting over their dominance on SA cricket. If they don't resolve their dispute soon then South African cricket is in deep trouble.
It is difficult to see a solution if the government is fighting for the dominance and usually these are independent bodies separate from government intervention and if i remember correctly there were disputes by the BCCI and the Indian government for a while and they sorted out their issues after a battle if i remember correctly but the situation in South Africa is entirely different and i do not see a resolution coming out anytime soon.
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Graeme Smith recently indicated that South African board would be willing to consider those Kolpak players who are willing to return to their country of birth. From 2021 onwards, the ECB is removing Kolpak option (since UK is no longer a part of the European Union). Some of the Kolpak players have changed their status to overseas players, such as Simon Harmer. But the vast majority of them need to find alternate employment.
I heard this news back in April-May. It might help them but atm i am not expecting anything from them as CSA Members Counsil and Interim Board (appointed by Gov) are fighting over their dominance on SA cricket. If they don't resolve their dispute soon then South African cricket is in deep trouble.
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Graeme Smith recently indicated that South African board would be willing to consider those Kolpak players who are willing to return to their country of birth. From 2021 onwards, the ECB is removing Kolpak option (since UK is no longer a part of the European Union). Some of the Kolpak players have changed their status to overseas players, such as Simon Harmer. But the vast majority of them need to find alternate employment.
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LOL.. not may remain now. Most of the white players have shifted to countries such as England and South Africa, and some have even ended up in New Zealand and associate nations such as USA. A few months back, there was an article in EspnCricinfo, which claimed that more than 50 South African players moved to England to play county cricket under Kolpak rule, during the last two decades. Can you believe this number? More than 4 dozen players giving up their dream of playing international cricket and signing contracts to play county cricket. They did that because they will never get a chance to play international cricket for South Africa under the quota system.
I was referring to the current crop of players that are available for selection and the team they picked, sure i have read about the mass migration of players to different countries and it will not help South Africa in any way to keep playing at a level they once played if the pool of cricketers keeps on reducing.

The list includes some of the top quality players, such as Morné Morkel, Duanne Olivier, Heino Kuhn, Marchant de Lange, Rilee Rossouw, Kyle Abbott, David Wiese, Simon Harmer and Hardus Viljoen. And yes.. Simon Harmer tops the list..
I didn't knew that Morné Morkel moved to Surrey and playing for them and i do believe that players like ABD retired early because of the issues they had with the cricket board.
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I wasn't expecting much from the South African selectors. But this is even worse than my worst fears. Once again they have included sub-standard players just because of their skin color. How many chances are they going to give to Temba Bavuma? And they included Junior Dala. Seriously? This guy was given tons of opportunities in the past and never made use of any of it. These people are completely hopeless.
What players do you think the selectors neglected, they are giving opportunities for some new players, Temba Bavuma is a good Test player but i am yet to see him play an outstanding innings in the shorter format, this is a 24 member squad and not the playing eleven as i doubt he will get a chance in a match especially in T20 format. Which players do you think are missing from the squad, i cannot remember any player that missed out other than Dale Steyn.

LOL.. not may remain now. Most of the white players have shifted to countries such as England and South Africa, and some have even ended up in New Zealand and associate nations such as USA. A few months back, there was an article in EspnCricinfo, which claimed that more than 50 South African players moved to England to play county cricket under Kolpak rule, during the last two decades. Can you believe this number? More than 4 dozen players giving up their dream of playing international cricket and signing contracts to play county cricket. They did that because they will never get a chance to play international cricket for South Africa under the quota system.

The list includes some of the top quality players, such as Morné Morkel, Duanne Olivier, Heino Kuhn, Marchant de Lange, Rilee Rossouw, Kyle Abbott, David Wiese, Simon Harmer and Hardus Viljoen. And yes.. Simon Harmer tops the list..
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I wasn't expecting much from the South African selectors. But this is even worse than my worst fears. Once again they have included sub-standard players just because of their skin color. How many chances are they going to give to Temba Bavuma? And they included Junior Dala. Seriously? This guy was given tons of opportunities in the past and never made use of any of it. These people are completely hopeless.
What players do you think the selectors neglected, they are giving opportunities for some new players, Temba Bavuma is a good Test player but i am yet to see him play an outstanding innings in the shorter format, this is a 24 member squad and not the playing eleven as i doubt he will get a chance in a match especially in T20 format. Which players do you think are missing from the squad, i cannot remember any player that missed out other than Dale Steyn.
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I wasn't expecting much from the South African selectors. But this is even worse than my worst fears. Once again they have included sub-standard players just because of their skin color. How many chances are they going to give to Temba Bavuma? And they included Junior Dala. Seriously? This guy was given tons of opportunities in the past and never made use of any of it. These people are completely hopeless.

@Vishnu.Reang in the past I too used to get upset by their selections based on player’s skin colours, but after a while I decided to stop bothering about it because they will never change their selection policies. Lastly it may be quite possible that they don’t have any other better player in the skin colour quota to replace him, and that’s why he’s getting selected again and again?.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/35590-south-african-cricket-race-has-always-played-a-role (Old article but sadly yet valid).
If they are doing this then surely they are going to kill beauty of South African cricket because they need some good infrastructer for bringing players other then white and they never do this in last 3 decades and bringing again and again sub standard players is never been good they have some good money and they can set up acadmies which give some good opportunites for bringing them on good level its really hurting and white players now also not feeling good which is more dangrous for them.
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I wasn't expecting much from the South African selectors. But this is even worse than my worst fears. Once again they have included sub-standard players just because of their skin color. How many chances are they going to give to Temba Bavuma? And they included Junior Dala. Seriously? This guy was given tons of opportunities in the past and never made use of any of it. These people are completely hopeless.

@Vishnu.Reang in the past I too used to get upset by their selections based on player’s skin colours, but after a while I decided to stop bothering about it because they will never change their selection policies. Lastly it may be quite possible that they don’t have any other better player in the skin colour quota to replace him, and that’s why he’s getting selected again and again?.

Source:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/35590-south-african-cricket-race-has-always-played-a-role (Old article but sadly yet valid).
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I wasn't expecting much from the South African selectors. But this is even worse than my worst fears. Once again they have included sub-standard players just because of their skin color. How many chances are they going to give to Temba Bavuma? And they included Junior Dala. Seriously? This guy was given tons of opportunities in the past and never made use of any of it. These people are completely hopeless.
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-SA hosting England for White ball cricket, just waiting for Gov's permission (Nov-Dec)
Proteas's Gov gave a green light and England tour of South Africa is good to go for 3 ODI and 3 T-20.

CSA making some efforts to bring back cricket season asap. They are in talk with the SriLankan board for Red ball cricket around Dec-Jan.
Update

England announced their T-20/ODI Squad for South Africa tour

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/114776/england-pick-23-players-for-south-africa-tour
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England Men's IT20 Squad:Eoin Morgan (captain), Moeen Ali, Jofra Archer, Jonathan Bairstow, Sam Billings, Jos Buttler, Sam Curran, Tom Curran, Chris Jordan, Dawid Malan, Adil Rashid, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, Reece Topley, Mark Wood

England Men's ODI Squad:Eoin Morgan(captain), Moeen Ali, Jonathan Bairstow, Sam Billings, Jos Buttler, Tom Curran, Lewis Gregory, Liam Livingstone, Adil Rashid, Joe Root, Jason Roy, Olly Stone, Reece Topley, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood

Reserves across both formats:Jake Ball, Tom Banton, Tom Helm
Update

South Africa also announced their 24 Men squad for the White ball cricket against England. Another positive news is, Proteas Delegation checking security-situation in the Pakistan, there is good chance that they might tour Pakistan in near future.
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You cannot blame the ICC for this, you cannot attract people to play cricket if their pay scale is just not up to par with the rest of the sporting events in that country. Since you have Fiji in the list their main sporting event is Rugby and Netball and Vanuatu have football as their popular sport. If you have a situation like that the ICC have no other option than to allow anyone who is competent enough to play the game.

It is possible to get natives play cricket. Many of the European teams had majority of natives in their squad until 10-15 years ago. Now they are almost entirely comprised of expats, after the ICC changed their rules. Financials have nothing to do with it. If that is the case, then even the expats won't play the game. In Fiji, Vanuatu.etc, the teams are mostly comprised of natives. But that is not the case in European and American countries.

If both the natives and expats are included in the team this will give more quality players to the countries who lack cricketing infrastructure. Also this will help promote cricket and after sometime natives will also become interested in this sports.
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You cannot blame the ICC for this, you cannot attract people to play cricket if their pay scale is just not up to par with the rest of the sporting events in that country. Since you have Fiji in the list their main sporting event is Rugby and Netball and Vanuatu have football as their popular sport. If you have a situation like that the ICC have no other option than to allow anyone who is competent enough to play the game.

It is possible to get natives play cricket. Many of the European teams had majority of natives in their squad until 10-15 years ago. Now they are almost entirely comprised of expats, after the ICC changed their rules. Financials have nothing to do with it. If that is the case, then even the expats won't play the game. In Fiji, Vanuatu.etc, the teams are mostly comprised of natives. But that is not the case in European and American countries.
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