There is some disappointing piece of news from the ICC.
https://emergingcricket.com/news/ec-podcast/olympics-not-an-immediate-priority-says-icc-global-development-head/
According to the William Glenwright (ICC Head of Global Development), the plans to include cricket within Olympic games have been shelved. Earlier, there were half-hearted efforts from the ICC to include it in the 2028 Olympics. The Associate nations have reacted angrily, saying that they would have received government funding worth millions of USD every year, if cricket becomes an Olympic sports.
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Couple of updates on the World Cricket.
-England planning to tour Pakistan for the White ball cricket soon (2021)
-WI vs NZ Test tour coming up soon. (Nov)
-SA hosting England for White ball cricket, just waiting for Gov's permission (Nov-Dec)
-England planning to tour Pakistan for the White ball cricket soon (2021)
-WI vs NZ Test tour coming up soon. (Nov)
-SA hosting England for White ball cricket, just waiting for Gov's permission (Nov-Dec)
@JSRAW normally I do trust your posts when it comes to cricket, but this time I had to google it to make sure that England were actually planning to go and play in Pakistan. Furthermore I’m also hoping that England don’t send their B team to play otherwise it’ll be another dull series, hence do you really feel that England’s top player’s will be ready to travel and play in Pakistan?.
Source:
https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/12105116/england-considering-invitation-to-tour-pakistan-in-early-2021
Couple of updates on the World Cricket.
-England planning to tour Pakistan for the White ball cricket soon (2021)
-WI vs NZ Test tour coming up soon. (Nov)
-SA hosting England for White ball cricket, just waiting for Gov's permission (Nov-Dec)
-England planning to tour Pakistan for the White ball cricket soon (2021)
-WI vs NZ Test tour coming up soon. (Nov)
-SA hosting England for White ball cricket, just waiting for Gov's permission (Nov-Dec)
@JSRAW normally I do trust your posts when it comes to cricket, but this time I had to google it to make sure that England were actually planning to go and play in Pakistan. Furthermore I’m also hoping that England don’t send their B team to play otherwise it’ll be another dull series, hence do you really feel that England’s top player’s will be ready to travel and play in Pakistan?.
Source:
https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/12105116/england-considering-invitation-to-tour-pakistan-in-early-2021
Couple of updates on the World Cricket.
-England planning to tour Pakistan for the White ball cricket soon (2021)
-WI vs NZ Test tour coming up soon. (Nov)
-SA hosting England for White ball cricket, just waiting for Gov's permission (Nov-Dec)
-England planning to tour Pakistan for the White ball cricket soon (2021)
-WI vs NZ Test tour coming up soon. (Nov)
-SA hosting England for White ball cricket, just waiting for Gov's permission (Nov-Dec)
I would definitely say that the current situation is much better than what we had 10-20 years ago. Now even if one or two of the bowlers are injured, plenty of replacements are available. Previously that was not the case. There were quality replacements available for the batsmen, but there was not enough depth available in the pace bowling department. Check India's performance when Zaheer was out injured.
I am not saying that the situation is not better than before. Of course, India has improved a lot in pace bowling than before. But this too, exactly ten or fifteen years ago, India's pace attack was not so bad. When Zaheer Khan got injured, he was replaced by Ashish Nehra, Praveen Kumar and Munaf Patel. But yes, now India's pace attack is much more than before. World class players like Bumrah are now in the Indian team. Some more emerging players are being created. Among them Navadwip Saini, Prasid Krishna, Joydev Unadkat, Tushar Deshpande, Mohammad Siraj are some of them. And there is no need to talk about Bhubaneswar Kumar and Mohammad Sami separately. They are also one of the best bowlers in India. They are also world-class bowlers.
I could not agree with you because the Indian team still has world class bowlers. Some bowlers have been injured after playing cricket for some time and this is the reason why there is a shortage of bowlers in the Indian team from time to time. Do you think Zaheer Khan is not a world class bowler? Irfan Pathan was not a world class bowler? Harbhajan Singh Anil Kumble Aren't they world class bowlers? And now Jaspreet Bhomra, Bhubaneswar Kumar, they are definitely world class players. With Jubendra Chahal Kuldeep Yadav they are there.
I would definitely say that the current situation is much better than what we had 10-20 years ago. Now even if one or two of the bowlers are injured, plenty of replacements are available. Previously that was not the case. There were quality replacements available for the batsmen, but there was not enough depth available in the pace bowling department. Check India's performance when Zaheer was out injured.
@Vishnu.Reang earlier the team management was happy to rely on few individuals only, and therefore others never got a chance to get into the Indian team hence there were limited bowlers only. However under Ms Dhoni’s captaincy this changed, and it’s due his vision that the Indian team managed to create a very strong squad for all the formats.
Sources:
https://cricket.yahoo.net/news/4-captaincy-decisions-taken-ms-135952013
https://www.quora.com/What-are-best-changes-made-by-a-MS-dhoni-in-Indian-cricket-team
I could not agree with you because the Indian team still has world class bowlers. Some bowlers have been injured after playing cricket for some time and this is the reason why there is a shortage of bowlers in the Indian team from time to time. Do you think Zaheer Khan is not a world class bowler? Irfan Pathan was not a world class bowler? Harbhajan Singh Anil Kumble Aren't they world class bowlers? And now Jaspreet Bhomra, Bhubaneswar Kumar, they are definitely world class players. With Jubendra Chahal Kuldeep Yadav they are there.
I would definitely say that the current situation is much better than what we had 10-20 years ago. Now even if one or two of the bowlers are injured, plenty of replacements are available. Previously that was not the case. There were quality replacements available for the batsmen, but there was not enough depth available in the pace bowling department. Check India's performance when Zaheer was out injured.
I could not agree with you because the Indian team still has world class bowlers. Some bowlers have been injured after playing cricket for some time and this is the reason why there is a shortage of bowlers in the Indian team from time to time. Do you think Zaheer Khan is not a world class bowler? Irfan Pathan was not a world class bowler? Harbhajan Singh Anil Kumble Aren't they world class bowlers? And now Jaspreet Bhomra, Bhubaneswar Kumar, they are definitely world class players. With Jubendra Chahal Kuldeep Yadav they are there.
Having one world class bowler, and having multiple world class bowlers is different. For sure Zaheer was of international class. But most of the time, he was supported by mediocre bowlers such as Tinu Yohannan, Ashish Nehra and Vikram Singh. Irfan Pathan was not exactly a world class bowler. He was good, but played only a few dozen test matches. So Zaheer had to take the sole responsibility of pace bowling, most of the times. The situation has changed now.
The lack of match winning bowlers outside India was the main reason India had a terrible record outside India, India always had great batsman throughout history and India was always a great team in India on the strength of its spinners but over seas you need genuine pace or swing bowlers to pick wickets.
Back then no one really cared about the pace bowlers. For home test matches, India used to pick three spinners (in most cases, Kumble/Harbhajan/Murali Kartik) and just one pace bowler (usually Srinath, and later Zaheer Khan). Things started to change around 15 years ago, when more emphasis was given to winning matches abroad. During recent times, I have seen India going with 3 pace bowlers even for the home matches.
Asian country's pitch are more convenient for spinner bowler. They get some extra advantage. They can take some more wickets than pace bowlers. You will see that most of the successful bowlers of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are spinners. It is foolish for them to have 3 pace bowlers in a home match. Because they do not have a good pace bowler like England and Australia and secondly the pitch is helpful for spinners.
India too might not be able to compete with pakistan in terms of pace attack but have had some great pacers like Srinath and Zaheer khan in recent past. Moreover the pacers in the current team are incomparable even a name like Jasprit Bumrah is enough for comparison.
Moreover apart from test cricket the need for pace bowlers has actually changed today. Earlier work of pace bowlers were primarily about swinging with a new ball and reverse swinging with the old one. While now it's about protecting the team in the slog overs which is most important these days. That is why bowlers who are even not that good swingers of the ball yet are performing pretty good.
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Few years back, the Indian team were only known for its batsmen. All the bowlers around the world fear from their strong batting line up but they lack quality bowling due to which they lost many matches. Current Indian team have improved in bowling too and now they have world class bowlers in their team.
September 27, 2020, 10:45:06 PM
Back then no one really cared about the pace bowlers. For home test matches, India used to pick three spinners (in most cases, Kumble/Harbhajan/Murali Kartik) and just one pace bowler (usually Srinath, and later Zaheer Khan). Things started to change around 15 years ago, when more emphasis was given to winning matches abroad. During recent times, I have seen India going with 3 pace bowlers even for the home matches.
Asian country's pitch are more convenient for spinnr bowler . They get some extra advantage . They can take some more wickets than pace bowlers.You will see that most of the successful bowlers of India, Pakistan ,Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are spinners. It is foolish for them to have 3 pace bowlers in a home match . Because they do not have a good pace bowler like England and Australia and secondly the pitch is helpful for spinnersNot all of the grounds. In India, there are grounds such as Mohali and Dharamshala, which offer enough support for the pace bowlers. Same can be said about some of the grounds in Pakistan and Dambulla ground in Sri Lanka. I was not claiming that India usually includes three pacers in all of their home matches. I was just saying that it has happened a few times. Usually India plays their home matches in turning tracks, as their main spinner (Ravichandran Ashwin) loses his venom in other type of surfaces.
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September 27, 2020, 09:49:03 PM
The lack of match winning bowlers outside India was the main reason India had a terrible record outside India, India always had great batsman throughout history and India was always a great team in India on the strength of its spinners but over seas you need genuine pace or swing bowlers to pick wickets.
Back then no one really cared about the pace bowlers. For home test matches, India used to pick three spinners (in most cases, Kumble/Harbhajan/Murali Kartik) and just one pace bowler (usually Srinath, and later Zaheer Khan). Things started to change around 15 years ago, when more emphasis was given to winning matches abroad. During recent times, I have seen India going with 3 pace bowlers even for the home matches.
Asian country's pitch are more convenient for spinner bowler. They get some extra advantage. They can take some more wickets than pace bowlers. You will see that most of the successful bowlers of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are spinners. It is foolish for them to have 3 pace bowlers in a home match. Because they do not have a good pace bowler like England and Australia and secondly the pitch is helpful for spinners.
September 27, 2020, 01:05:48 PM
The lack of match winning bowlers outside India was the main reason India had a terrible record outside India, India always had great batsman throughout history and India was always a great team in India on the strength of its spinners but over seas you need genuine pace or swing bowlers to pick wickets.
Back then no one really cared about the pace bowlers. For home test matches, India used to pick three spinners (in most cases, Kumble/Harbhajan/Murali Kartik) and just one pace bowler (usually Srinath, and later Zaheer Khan). Things started to change around 15 years ago, when more emphasis was given to winning matches abroad. During recent times, I have seen India going with 3 pace bowlers even for the home matches.
September 27, 2020, 12:46:18 PM
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@SaShuRaJaVu I’m not a much into stats, but yes these three legendary Indian player’s really used to trouble Australia and England bowlers a lot even in away games. Also Rahul Dravid is called the wall for a reason, and who can forget Laxman’s love for Australian bowler’s because he used to always score against them.
The lack of match winning bowlers outside India was the main reason India had a terrible record outside India, India always had great batsman throughout history and India was always a great team in India on the strength of its spinners but over seas you need genuine pace or swing bowlers to pick wickets. @SaShuRaJaVu I’m not a much into stats, but yes these three legendary Indian player’s really used to trouble Australia and England bowlers a lot even in away games. Also Rahul Dravid is called the wall for a reason, and who can forget Laxman’s love for Australian bowler’s because he used to always score against them.
September 27, 2020, 07:25:13 AM
Few years back, the Indian team were only known for its batsmen. All the bowlers around the world fear from their strong batting line up but they lack quality bowling due to which they lost many matches. Current Indian team have improved in bowling too and now they have world class bowlers in their team.
I would recommend a small correction. The Indian team was known for the batsmen and for the spin bowlers. The Indian spinners were among the world's best. In the pace bowling department, they were really weak. Back then, they had only one genuine fast bowler (Javagal Srinath) who could bowl at least occasionally at 90mph plus. The remaining bowlers, such as Venkatesh Prasad, Debashish Mohanty.etc were just military medium. Compare it with the case we have now. I can count at least a dozen bowlers, who can be considered as genuine fast bowlers, including Bumrah, Umesh, Ishant, Aaron and Shami.
September 27, 2020, 02:49:13 AM
There was a time when VVS Laxman, Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar built a mountain of runs for India. That team at that time was the best team in the history of Indian Tests. There are still some players in the Indian team who are very good for Tests. Such as Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane, Virat Kohli. They are individual test experts. Not without adding Mayank Agarwal's name to them. There is no denying that Mayank Agarwal is now one of the leading Test players in the Indian team.
I don't agree. Laxman, Dravid, Sachin.etc were legendary players. But they failed very frequently while playing abroad, especially in England and Australia. If you check the stats, then you can see that the current Indian team has the highest win percentage for test matches that were played outside the Indian sub-continent. Back then, the batsmen were world class. Now both the batsmen and the bowlers are among the world's best.
Few years back, the Indian team were only known for its batsmen. All the bowlers around the world fear from their strong batting line up but they lack quality bowling due to which they lost many matches. Current Indian team have improved in bowling too and now they have world class bowlers in their team.
September 27, 2020, 12:43:18 AM
Dravid's performance ( In England he average 68.80. In Australia 41, he missed 4 centuries there by getting out on 90s 4 times and 63 average in New Zealand. Bad average in South Africa.)
VVS. Laxman's average (44 ,34, 40 , 40 in Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa respectively)
Sachin's average ( 53, 54, 49, 46 in Australia, England, NZ and South Africa respectively)
VVS. Laxman's average (44 ,34, 40 , 40 in Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa respectively)
Sachin's average ( 53, 54, 49, 46 in Australia, England, NZ and South Africa respectively)
September 26, 2020, 11:32:16 PM
I don't agree. Laxman, Dravid, Sachin.etc were legendary players. But they failed very frequently while playing abroad, especially in England and Australia. If you check the stats, then you can see that the current Indian team has the highest win percentage for test matches that were played outside the Indian sub-continent. Back then, the batsmen were world class. Now both the batsmen and the bowlers are among the world's best.
Since you are talking about stats, do you know Sachin averages 53.2 in Australia and 54.31 in England on the other hand Dravid averages 38.68 in Australia and 60.94 in England while Laxman averages 44.14 in Australia and 34.47 in England. India had good batting line up but the bowlers were weak and if you look at the current team they had the best bowlers in world cricket who are able to trouble any team.@SaShuRaJaVu I’m not a much into stats, but yes these three legendary Indian player’s really used to trouble Australia and England bowlers a lot even in away games. Also Rahul Dravid is called the wall for a reason, and who can forget Laxman’s love for Australian bowler’s because he used to always score against them.
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For a batsman who Ian Chappell described aptly through his famous quote- “Team in trouble, who would you turn to other than Dravid- it’s hardly a surprise that one of Dravid’s finest knocks came against a behemoth of an Aussie side that too, at Down Under.
Sources:
https://rapidleaks.com/sports/cricket/flashback-2003-2nd-test-india-australia-rahul-dravid-the-wall/
http://www.holdingwilley.com/article/the-diary/eight-vvs-laxman-classics-vs-australia
September 26, 2020, 03:13:10 PM
I don't agree. Laxman, Dravid, Sachin.etc were legendary players. But they failed very frequently while playing abroad, especially in England and Australia. If you check the stats, then you can see that the current Indian team has the highest win percentage for test matches that were played outside the Indian sub-continent. Back then, the batsmen were world class. Now both the batsmen and the bowlers are among the world's best.
Since you are talking about stats, do you know Sachin averages 53.2 in Australia and 54.31 in England on the other hand Dravid averages 38.68 in Australia and 60.94 in England while Laxman averages 44.14 in Australia and 34.47 in England. India had good batting line up but the bowlers were weak and if you look at the current team they had the best bowlers in world cricket who are able to trouble any team. 
September 24, 2020, 12:56:59 PM
There was a time when VVS Laxman, Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar built a mountain of runs for India. That team at that time was the best team in the history of Indian Tests. There are still some players in the Indian team who are very good for Tests. Such as Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane, Virat Kohli. They are individual test experts. Not without adding Mayank Agarwal's name to them. There is no denying that Mayank Agarwal is now one of the leading Test players in the Indian team.
I don't agree. Laxman, Dravid, Sachin.etc were legendary players. But they failed very frequently while playing abroad, especially in England and Australia. If you check the stats, then you can see that the current Indian team has the highest win percentage for test matches that were played outside the Indian sub-continent. Back then, the batsmen were world class. Now both the batsmen and the bowlers are among the world's best.
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