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Overall i'm supportor of multi team WC (16-20 teams) so its surely a welcome move. I understand that majority of fixture are going to be one sided when playing against weaker teams but its part of the deal if you want to see a cricket adoption in more countries, it would take time but that's a right way along with inclusion in the Olympics .

Talking about one-sided matches, a simple majority of the one-sided matches in the ODI world cup involved two test-playing nations. If you don't want any one-sided matches, then you need to restrict the world cup to a 4-team or 5-team event. Big 3 + New Zealand can be given automatic qualification, and one team can be selected from the remainder. But even then there will be a chance for a one-sided match. And the real reason why ICC reduced the number of teams was due the debacle in 2007, when both India and Pakistan were kicked out by non-test playing nations in the group stage.
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Today (18 April)  was a big day in the history of the cricket. 

On this day in 1986, Javed Miandad’s last-ball six broke Indian hearts.



How many of you remember this memorable moment ?
No doubt in 80s and 90s Pakistan was a better team and statically it is won more matches against India in both ODInand test cricket. The only format they have lost more to India is T20.
Players like Javed Miadad are legend, they cannot be replaced. I have not seen any present Pakistani player perform in the same manner as he did.
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ICC officials utilizing their free time and for change doing something good. Reports are coming in that from 2023, 14 teams WC is going to become reality.

ICC set to expand men's ODI World Cup to 14-team event

"The International Cricket Council (ICC) is to set to expand the scope of the men's 50-Over World Cup from the next cycle. There has been a debate over whether to expand the size to 16 teams but, in all likelihood, the ICC directors will settle for a 14-team format, played thrice before - in 2003, 2011 and 2015. "

Personally I would have preferred 16 or 20 countries, but 14 sounds much better than the current format which involves just 10 teams. But I don't want to comment on this issue before anything is finalized. It is just a suggestion and I am not sure whether the big 3 and their puppet Greg Barclay would agree. I checked EspnCricinfo, and there is no news on this topic. So far it is just Cricbuzz, which is covering this news. I noticed a similar article from Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlavalette/2021/04/28/support-strengthens-for-a-16-team-cricket-world-cup-while-the-t10-format-gains-steam/?sh=2459713436a6

But it just says that there is widespread support from the fans (and not from the ICC).
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ICC officials utilizing their free time and for change doing something good. Reports are coming in that from 2023, 14 teams WC is going to become reality.

ICC set to expand men's ODI World Cup to 14-team event

"The International Cricket Council (ICC) is to set to expand the scope of the men's 50-Over World Cup from the next cycle. There has been a debate over whether to expand the size to 16 teams but, in all likelihood, the ICC directors will settle for a 14-team format, played thrice before - in 2003, 2011 and 2015. "

@JSRAW your initial wordings really got me excited, but I’m not sure a 14 team World Cup excites me because I only like 2 - 3 top teams so the addition of smaller teams which can’t compete doesn’t make sense to me. Lastly while I understand it shall excite small teams fans, but I don’t think the big 3 teams player’s will like it as they already have a heavy play work load, and adding more games for them against smaller teams won’t excite them at all.
Overall i'm supportor of multi team WC (16-20 teams) so its surely a welcome move. I understand that majority of fixture are going to be one sided when playing against weaker teams but its part of the deal if you want to see a cricket adoption in more countries, it would take time but that's a right way along with inclusion in the Olympics .
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This would have never happened if Sharad Pawar or N Srinivasan was in power. When ex-players head the cricket boards (instead of politicians and businessmen) they always give preference to the well-being of the sport, sidelining the other selfish motives. 
The problem is that 2028 is a long way from now and the decision that are taken now can be changed by that time.

Yeah, just read this news, surely positive news to get some stakes in Olympic. Now i can see at-least 14-16 teams getting ready for the competition or more in next 2-3 decades. T-20 still looks too long to me, may be T-10 would be right format in Olympic.
T20 is shorter and they can include that because T10 will be hard to predict the outcome. If they play the Olympics i want to wage a bet on the matches but if it is T10 it is going to be a coin toss kind of situation.
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ICC officials utilizing their free time and for change doing something good. Reports are coming in that from 2023, 14 teams WC is going to become reality.

ICC set to expand men's ODI World Cup to 14-team event

"The International Cricket Council (ICC) is to set to expand the scope of the men's 50-Over World Cup from the next cycle. There has been a debate over whether to expand the size to 16 teams but, in all likelihood, the ICC directors will settle for a 14-team format, played thrice before - in 2003, 2011 and 2015. "

@JSRAW your initial wordings really got me excited, but I’m not sure a 14 team World Cup excites me because I only like 2 - 3 top teams so the addition of smaller teams which can’t compete doesn’t make sense to me. Lastly while I understand it shall excite small teams fans, but I don’t think the big 3 teams player’s will like it as they already have a heavy play work load, and adding more games for them against smaller teams won’t excite them at all.
legendary
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ICC officials utilizing their free time and for change doing something good. Reports are coming in that from 2023, 14 teams WC is going to become reality.

ICC set to expand men's ODI World Cup to 14-team event

"The International Cricket Council (ICC) is to set to expand the scope of the men's 50-Over World Cup from the next cycle. There has been a debate over whether to expand the size to 16 teams but, in all likelihood, the ICC directors will settle for a 14-team format, played thrice before - in 2003, 2011 and 2015. "
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Yeah, just read this news, surely positive news to get some stakes in Olympic. Now i can see at-least 14-16 teams getting ready for the competition or more in next 2-3 decades. T-20 still looks too long to me, may be T-10 would be right format in Olympic.

I'm very much excited about quadrilateral series initiative and really hope that it kicks on in next 2-3 years.

I just hope that they will persist with T20, because I don't think that T10 is cricket. For me, T10 has more similarities to baseball, than it has to cricket. And there is still a very good chance that the ICC will not support this move. Previously when Shashank Manohar was the head of the ICC, he was in favor of cricket's inclusion to the Olympics, but the cabal of BCCI-CA-ECB-NZC was against the move. Now ICC is headed by businessman Greg Barclay, who has no interest in spreading the game. So this time also the ICC and the BCCI will be in opposing camps.
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Today (18 April)  was a big day in the history of the cricket. 

On this day in 1986, Javed Miandad’s last-ball six broke Indian hearts.



How many of you remember this memorable moment ?
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^^^^^ Ganguly has made some positive changes as the President of BCCI. For the first time, the BCCI has voiced support for the inclusion of cricket in the 2028 Olympics. This is ground-breaking, as previously the BCCI, CA and ECB had a cabal to sabotage this move.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/news/bcci-agrees-to-field-both-mens-womens-teams-for-2028-los-angeles-olympics/articleshow/82106983.cms


Yeah, just read this news, surely positive news to get some stakes in Olympic. Now i can see at-least 14-16 teams getting ready for the competition or more in next 2-3 decades. T-20 still looks too long to me, may be T-10 would be right format in Olympic.

I'm very much excited about quadrilateral series initiative and really hope that it kicks on in next 2-3 years.

That is surely very positive news, we as cricket fans have been looking forward to the inclusion of cricket in the Olympics. Unfortunately. nothing has happened until now. But, Ganguly needs to lay the foundation for this news to become reality as he will not remain as the BCCI president till 2028. Otherwise, this news will go into cricket archives as it did in the past.
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^^^^^ Ganguly has made some positive changes as the President of BCCI. For the first time, the BCCI has voiced support for the inclusion of cricket in the 2028 Olympics. This is ground-breaking, as previously the BCCI, CA and ECB had a cabal to sabotage this move.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/news/bcci-agrees-to-field-both-mens-womens-teams-for-2028-los-angeles-olympics/articleshow/82106983.cms


Yeah, just read this news, surely positive news to get some stakes in Olympic. Now i can see at-least 14-16 teams getting ready for the competition or more in next 2-3 decades. T-20 still looks too long to me, may be T-10 would be right format in Olympic.

I'm very much excited about quadrilateral series initiative and really hope that it kicks on in next 2-3 years.
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^^^^^ Ganguly has made some positive changes as the President of BCCI. For the first time, the BCCI has voiced support for the inclusion of cricket in the 2028 Olympics. This is ground-breaking, as previously the BCCI, CA and ECB had a cabal to sabotage this move.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/news/bcci-agrees-to-field-both-mens-womens-teams-for-2028-los-angeles-olympics/articleshow/82106983.cms

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The Indian Cricket Board (BCCI) has agreed to field both men’s and women’s teams for the Los Angeles Olympics in 2028. BCCI has also agreed to field its women’s team or the Birmingham Commonwealth Games next year.

This would have never happened if Sharad Pawar or N Srinivasan was in power. When ex-players head the cricket boards (instead of politicians and businessmen) they always give preference to the well-being of the sport, sidelining the other selfish motives. 

This is a good sign, and hopefully his other target (quadrilateral series) will be realized as well.
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Franchise cricket is here to stay, just to give lifeline to test cricket. Competitive and high pressure franchise cricket is future, fans are getting bored with silly bilateral series. I can speak for BCCI, if something goes wrong and BCCI has to choose between WC or IPL, no brainer for me that they will go with the IPL for obvious reasons.

Franchise cricket is more competitive, as it is being played between teams of equal strength. On the other hand, many of the bilateral series have become one sided now. Who wants to watch a lopsided series between Australia and Sri Lanka, or the one between India and Zimbabwe? One solution for this would be to divide the teams to two divisions, but then such proposals before were voted down by the smaller test playing nations. IMO, the big 4 (big 3 + NZ) should play at least 80% of the matches among themselves.
From Indian point of view, would add WI in T-20 or may be in ODI too against India. They were mighty competitive against us in last limited overs series and complete waste in the Test cricket. South Africa still good in Test cricket when they play in home turf (against Indians) so would like more test tour against them, although they always lost their marble when visiting India but still BCCI should consider 4 test match series against Proteas instead of 3. Same with Kiwis and we definitely need 5 tests match series with Australia.

Really hope that Gangully do something about his pet project of Quadrilateral series(limited overs) in near future.   
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Franchise cricket is here to stay, just to give lifeline to test cricket. Competitive and high pressure franchise cricket is future, fans are getting bored with silly bilateral series. I can speak for BCCI, if something goes wrong and BCCI has to choose between WC or IPL, no brainer for me that they will go with the IPL for obvious reasons.

Franchise cricket is more competitive, as it is being played between teams of equal strength. On the other hand, many of the bilateral series have become one sided now. Who wants to watch a lopsided series between Australia and Sri Lanka, or the one between India and Zimbabwe? One solution for this would be to divide the teams to two divisions, but then such proposals before were voted down by the smaller test playing nations. IMO, the big 4 (big 3 + NZ) should play at least 80% of the matches among themselves.
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Its a shame that cricket has all become about money, yes I understand that players need money to live like the rest of us but its seems that ever since the IPL started, its now more about the money then playing cricket which then makes it hard on the countries where money wasn't an issue but now is. I also think the board also have to come to the table and pay players more money but they need to find the balance.
It is surprising to see the ICC and the cricket boards giving permission to franchise cricket throughout the world and they are even giving priority to these leagues than playing for their respective boards, may be it is a change in the capitalist approach and they are giving the players the opportunity to earn money just like in Football.

Franchise cricket is here to stay, just to give lifeline to test cricket. Competitive and high pressure franchise cricket is future, fans are getting bored with silly bilateral series. I can speak for BCCI, if something goes wrong and BCCI has to choose between WC or IPL, no brainer for me that they will go with the IPL for obvious reasons.

Yes its here to stay because the amount of money that can be made compared to international cricket. I know I say that cricket has become all about the money now days but that's with most sports as players are being paid big money to play in the franchise tournaments so most will go play in them tournaments then play for their country in international matches. Yes the boards might have some blame in this as they are greedy but still I think the IPL has made cricket all about the money now. As I said players were happy just playing the game back in the day but now its money.
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Its a shame that cricket has all become about money, yes I understand that players need money to live like the rest of us but its seems that ever since the IPL started, its now more about the money then playing cricket which then makes it hard on the countries where money wasn't an issue but now is. I also think the board also have to come to the table and pay players more money but they need to find the balance.
It is surprising to see the ICC and the cricket boards giving permission to franchise cricket throughout the world and they are even giving priority to these leagues than playing for their respective boards, may be it is a change in the capitalist approach and they are giving the players the opportunity to earn money just like in Football.

Franchise cricket is here to stay, just to give lifeline to test cricket. Competitive and high pressure franchise cricket is future, fans are getting bored with silly bilateral series. I can speak for BCCI, if something goes wrong and BCCI has to choose between WC or IPL, no brainer for me that they will go with the IPL for obvious reasons.
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Its a shame that cricket has all become about money, yes I understand that players need money to live like the rest of us but its seems that ever since the IPL started, its now more about the money then playing cricket which then makes it hard on the countries where money wasn't an issue but now is. I also think the board also have to come to the table and pay players more money but they need to find the balance.
It is surprising to see the ICC and the cricket boards giving permission to franchise cricket throughout the world and they are even giving priority to these leagues than playing for their respective boards, may be it is a change in the capitalist approach and they are giving the players the opportunity to earn money just like in Football.

Back in the 90's players were earning peanuts compared to now but back then they were playing because they loved to play cricket but now days money has taken over the game and its mainly due to the IPL. If this continues, then we'll see teams like SA and the WI die off from international cricket which we don't want to see.
Cricket is giving opportunity for everyone to make money and in the past they are not earning much money, i still remember players earning $600 to play the series in the late 80s and now the players are earning millions and with franchise cricket giving more opportunity to make a living with cricket.
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South Africa is no longer considered as one of the top teams in international cricket, but it can be quite tough to beat them when they have the home advantage. Credit should also be given to the Pakistani pace bowlers, for their exceptional performance.
South Africa was not playing this series to win and in the final ODI was just to play against new players as their full strength team left for the IPL and they had to replace them in a series win situation while Pakistan is playing with their full strength team.

So if they were not playing to win the series, then they should not had come to Pakistan in the first place. Their players have left for the IPL but no one will think about it when they will see the history. The only thing which matter the most that they lost the ODI series in pakistan.

No doubt South African main players were not present in this series I think SA thought that they could easily defeat PAK with a weak team. That did not go good and SA lost the series but, you cannot deny PAK team did struggle with a weak SA side.

PAK team played exceptionally well in this series, I had doubt about their performance. They were not inconsistent this time.
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South Africa is no longer considered as one of the top teams in international cricket, but it can be quite tough to beat them when they have the home advantage. Credit should also be given to the Pakistani pace bowlers, for their exceptional performance.
South Africa was not playing this series to win and in the final ODI was just to play against new players as their full strength team left for the IPL and they had to replace them in a series win situation while Pakistan is playing with their full strength team.

So if they were not playing to win the series, then they should not had come to Pakistan in the first place. Their players have left for the IPL but no one will think about it when they will see the history. The only thing which matter the most that they lost the ODI series in pakistan.
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Its a shame that cricket has all become about money, yes I understand that players need money to live like the rest of us but its seems that ever since the IPL started, its now more about the money then playing cricket which then makes it hard on the countries where money wasn't an issue but now is. I also think the board also have to come to the table and pay players more money but they need to find the balance. Back in the 90's players were earning peanuts compared to now but back then they were playing because they loved to play cricket but now days money has taken over the game and its mainly due to the IPL. If this continues, then we'll see teams like SA and the WI die off from international cricket which we don't want to see.

Why blame the players? International players still get less than 1% of the amount that they earn for their respective boards. It is the cricket boards on the other hand which are getting greedier by the day. A majority of the boards (including the ICC) are being run by businessmen with no link with cricket. They have tried to sabotage the popularity of the sport, by refusing to include it in the Olympics and preferring bilateral series over ICC events. Personally I would prefer franchise cricket to boring bilateral cricket.
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