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By the time the match ended, it was 4:15 am here. I was too tired, else I would have posted immediately. Never expected Australia to recover from 73/5. The target was more than 300, and in the previous matches the Australian lower-middle order had failed. The England captain made some crucial mistakes yesterday. He allowed the pressure to be released, by continuing with Rashid and Curran. Had he used Wood/Woakes, then there was a good chance that Australia could have lost another couple of wickets. Archer, as usual was unimpressive.

I felt England deliberately lost the match because they were over confident. It was bad bowling with bad fielding that caused Australia to win this match and the series. This was a match that was given away by the English team.

You can call this bad luck for England that they miss out on this match but you can't call that they deliberately lost the match. Who will want to lose the match and series ?
Anyhow, this English cricket season has come to an end and it was England who resumed the cricket after the covid-19 and now we will see many more cricket matches through the world.

I doubt it was Bad luck.

I do not think the Australian team was lucky when they were struggling at 73/5. With 5 wickets down and all the top batsmen out they were still able to win the match that is not considered luck.

Yes cricket has started and from tomorrow for more than a month will be able to watch IPL.

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Quote from: vella85 on September 17, 2020, 06:15:05 PM

Yes I understand this but some said just because Smith wasn't playing that Australia would lose and that is not the case in the shorter form of the game as Australia have won many times in ODI and T20 without Smith in the team. When it comes to test matches, that's another story as I do think that Australia need Smith in the team as he is that solid rock in test matches.

I don't agree. Even in ODI format, the absence of Steve Smith can be a major handicap for Australia. He is their most consistent batsman, by some distance. Marnus Labuschagne can be considered as the second best, but even he is not as good as Smith. None of the remaining batsmen are consistent enough, including Warner, Finch, Maxwell and Stoinis.

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Quote from: Haunebu on September 17, 2020, 03:11:30 AM

Quote from: vella85 on September 16, 2020, 06:37:13 PM

Why does everyone think that Australia can't win without Steve Smith? In ODI matches Australia performed well without Smith when he was banned from cricket for 12 months. Yes I do think he makes a big difference in test match cricket but in ODI and T20 Australia have performed well without him playing. I think people need to stop saying that Australia can't win without Smith in the shorter format of the game as they can.

Because of his consistency across all formats just like Kohli which is uncommon to be honest. A very small percentage of people expected Australia to win this one after losing so many wickets simultaneously, but they somehow bounced back.

This game is clearly an exception. England messed up big time here. Australia can win games without Smith, but the winning percentile increases drastically when he is a part of the squad.

This was a great series overall. England and Australia performed well and delivered a great dose of entertainment. The finale was full of fireworks. Excited for IPL 2020.

Yes I understand this but some said just because Smith wasn't playing that Australia would lose and that is not the case in the shorter form of the game as Australia have won many times in ODI and T20 without Smith in the team. When it comes to test matches, that's another story as I do think that Australia need Smith in the team as he is that solid rock in test matches.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 16, 2020, 11:37:10 PM

By the time the match ended, it was 4:15 am here. I was too tired, else I would have posted immediately. Never expected Australia to recover from 73/5. The target was more than 300, and in the previous matches the Australian lower-middle order had failed. The England captain made some crucial mistakes yesterday. He allowed the pressure to be released, by continuing with Rashid and Curran. Had he used Wood/Woakes, then there was a good chance that Australia could have lost another couple of wickets. Archer, as usual was unimpressive.

I felt England deliberately lost the match because they were over confident. It was bad bowling with bad fielding that caused Australia to win this match and the series. This was a match that was given away by the English team.

You can call this bad luck for England that they miss out on this match but you can't call that they deliberately lost the match. Who will want to lose the match and series ?
Anyhow, this English cricket season has come to an end and it was England who resumed the cricket after the covid-19 and now we will see many more cricket matches through the world.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 17, 2020, 06:01:17 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 16, 2020, 11:37:10 PM

By the time the match ended, it was 4:15 am here. I was too tired, else I would have posted immediately. Never expected Australia to recover from 73/5. The target was more than 300, and in the previous matches the Australian lower-middle order had failed. The England captain made some crucial mistakes yesterday. He allowed the pressure to be released, by continuing with Rashid and Curran. Had he used Wood/Woakes, then there was a good chance that Australia could have lost another couple of wickets. Archer, as usual was unimpressive.

I felt England deliberately lost the match because they were over confident. It was bad bowling with bad fielding that caused Australia to win this match and the series. This was a match that was given away by the English team.

Very poor performance from England. Eoin Morgan were failed to maintain his bowling unit in order, deliberately give too many overs Adil Rashid when both batsman( Maxwell and Carey ) playing well against him, great job by these batsman that helped Aussies won the series.

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These 3 matches were the first ones for Australia in the 2020–22 ICC Cricket World Cup Super League. They are still at the second spot, since England has a total of 3 wins compared to 2 for Australia (England played 6 matches, 3 against Australia and another 3 against Ireland). The next matches may be from the series between India and England (but I heard that this series was also postponed).

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 17, 2020, 06:01:17 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 16, 2020, 11:37:10 PM

By the time the match ended, it was 4:15 am here. I was too tired, else I would have posted immediately. Never expected Australia to recover from 73/5. The target was more than 300, and in the previous matches the Australian lower-middle order had failed. The England captain made some crucial mistakes yesterday. He allowed the pressure to be released, by continuing with Rashid and Curran. Had he used Wood/Woakes, then there was a good chance that Australia could have lost another couple of wickets. Archer, as usual was unimpressive.

I felt England deliberately lost the match because they were over confident. It was bad bowling with bad fielding that caused Australia to win this match and the series. This was a match that was given away by the English team.

This lost was not deliberately just bad bowling and few bad decisions cost them this match Buttler is also very poor behind wickets as he lost many catches on crucial times this is also going against them but still they fight good and have very entertaining end of this series and summer for them now they are going to rest for very long time.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 16, 2020, 11:37:10 PM

By the time the match ended, it was 4:15 am here. I was too tired, else I would have posted immediately. Never expected Australia to recover from 73/5. The target was more than 300, and in the previous matches the Australian lower-middle order had failed. The England captain made some crucial mistakes yesterday. He allowed the pressure to be released, by continuing with Rashid and Curran. Had he used Wood/Woakes, then there was a good chance that Australia could have lost another couple of wickets. Archer, as usual was unimpressive.

I felt England deliberately lost the match because they were over confident. It was bad bowling with bad fielding that caused Australia to win this match and the series. This was a match that was given away by the English team.

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Quote from: vella85 on September 16, 2020, 06:37:13 PM

Why does everyone think that Australia can't win without Steve Smith? In ODI matches Australia performed well without Smith when he was banned from cricket for 12 months. Yes I do think he makes a big difference in test match cricket but in ODI and T20 Australia have performed well without him playing. I think people need to stop saying that Australia can't win without Smith in the shorter format of the game as they can.

Because of his consistency across all formats just like Kohli which is uncommon to be honest. A very small percentage of people expected Australia to win this one after losing so many wickets simultaneously, but they somehow bounced back.

This game is clearly an exception. England messed up big time here. Australia can win games without Smith, but the winning percentile increases drastically when he is a part of the squad.

This was a great series overall. England and Australia performed well and delivered a great dose of entertainment. The finale was full of fireworks. Excited for IPL 2020.

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I guess England home season is about to end here. Their summer season was lifesaver for so many cricket fans all around the world in such tough situation, this is the first time i have watched or followed almost every game (except couple of T-20) of English home season. Cheers to ECB!

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By the time the match ended, it was 4:15 am here. I was too tired, else I would have posted immediately. Never expected Australia to recover from 73/5. The target was more than 300, and in the previous matches the Australian lower-middle order had failed. The England captain made some crucial mistakes yesterday. He allowed the pressure to be released, by continuing with Rashid and Curran. Had he used Wood/Woakes, then there was a good chance that Australia could have lost another couple of wickets. Archer, as usual was unimpressive.

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Wow looks like I missed another interesting match. Never expected Australia to chase down 300+ runs Tongue

Just when everyone was thinking that the game is lost for Australia, a double hundred partnership by No.6 & 7 batsmen in chasing is definitely something to cheer. The trophy is definitely deserved.

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Why does everyone think that Australia can't win without Steve Smith? In ODI matches Australia performed well without Smith when he was banned from cricket for 12 months. Yes I do think he makes a big difference in test match cricket but in ODI and T20 Australia have performed well without him playing. It was a great fight back from Australia as it looked like England would cruise to victory but thanks to an amazing middle order partnership Carey and Maxwell helped Australia win the match. Not very often we see the middle order make huge partnerships with both players scoring centuries. I think people need to stop saying that Australia can't win without Smith in the shorter format of the game as they can.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on September 16, 2020, 03:19:11 PM

Wow, i did not expect Australia to win the match when they lost their fifth wicket for 73 runs, i thought Maxwell would play some big shots and it is going to be an easy win for England but they took the game till the end and it is one of the best partnerships in a very long time for Australia and they just nailed it when no one really expect it from them.

Today Maxwell and Carey done a great job for Aussies they achieve one of best targets on English soil and its highest ever run chase on this ground in ODI's giving last over to a leg spinner is never been good choice but today Morgan play this gamble and its fail so now hopefully they will do some better in future matches.

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Wow, i did not expect Australia to win the match when they lost their fifth wicket for 73 runs, i thought Maxwell would play some big shots and it is going to be an easy win for England but they took the game till the end and it is one of the best partnerships in a very long time for Australia and they just nailed it when no one really expect it from them.

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History repeat itself, what a coincidence Shocked

Eng and Aus were the same at 39 overs out of 5 wickets
England were 216/5
Australia are 216/5

Maxwell & Carey both are doing rock on the pitch...

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Quote from: MFahad on September 16, 2020, 02:08:29 PM

Glenn Maxwel and Alex Carey are really playing match winning innings for Australia and if they bat few more overs, Aussie can be very close to a dramatic victory. Both have scored 60+runs and are looking really good. Will there be another turn in this match ? Australia only need 93 runs in 72 balls and it is very much achievable.

They are stealing victory from Jaws of England because this partnership 137 runs from 21 overs is almost match winning from here if they lost match then surely this could be really shame for them because these two done enough for win match I am also really surprised as they are playing right now good match for punters.

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Glenn Maxwel and Alex Carey are really playing match winning innings for Australia and if they bat few more overs, Aussie can be very close to a dramatic victory. Both have scored 60+runs and are looking really good. Will there be another turn in this match ? Australia only need 93 runs in 72 balls and it is very much achievable.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on September 16, 2020, 04:48:15 AM

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Isn't the Ashes a 5 test match series Huh

So what makes the 3rd test so crucial if the second match is drawn. I agree that Australians prioritize their health. But if Smith has recovered from his concussion, there is no point for him to stay out of the decider match. IMO, Smith will take part in today's match.

It was crucial, because Australia was ahead by 1-0 then (the second test ended in a draw). If they had won the third test, then the series would be theirs. Head injuries, irrespective of how minor they may look on the outside, should not be ignored. We had multiple deaths from concussions during the last 1-2 decades, including some of the promising young players. Anyway, I am sure that CA will take a decision which is acceptable to everyone regarding this.

But that was a test match and not a ODI. And there maybe many more occasions when teams after wining the first match in the series were not able to win the series. The same will happen today as Australia looking to lose the match and series today.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on September 16, 2020, 11:58:30 AM

Well... what did I tell you guys? Australia (without Steve Smith) is once again proving that they are the ultimate chokers. They got a dream start and had England reeling at 0/2. And still they allowed England to score a total of 300 plus. England lower-middle order is just the opposite of what Australia is having. They have added valuable runs in almost all the matches this year. Anyway.. now it's just a matter of time. 2-1 series win for England. A much needed morale booster, after their ODI loss to Ireland recently.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on September 16, 2020, 07:24:40 AM

Having watched all the drama from the second match, I am still feeling skeptical about Australia. They are experts in wasting a good start. Starc and Hazlewood are bowling really well. But I don't want them to release the pressure once Cummins comes to bowl, along with Mitchell Starc or Marcus Stoinis. I guess it may be a good idea to bring Adam Zampa a bit early. He is a bit expensive, but gets the wickets.

Australia will lose this match as there are 5 wickets down with only 130 runs on the board. Maybe they are not in form and look like they can't convert the good start into their favor. England were lucky as they managed to get over 300 while losing two wickets very early.

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