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The batsmen have been able to perform their duties properly. To bat for 380 runs target, being able to score more than 330 runs is definitely good batting. Indian bowlers are not comfortable on the Australian pitch. They are not giving their best. We have seen Bumrah bowl great in the IPL. But Bumrah is not able to bowl better on the Australian pitch. Although the pitches are mainly batting dependent, such poor bowling cannot be expected from India.

It is not the Indian fast bowlers that are struggling in this pitch, Mitchell Starc is also struggling as he is taken for runs in the first two matches and the only bowler that is successful is Adam Zampa who was able to pick wickets.
I want to see competitive matches rather than flat wickets where batsman dominate and the only way they could loose wicket is when they hit straight to a fielder.

MA Starc is giving a lot of runs. Cummins and Zampa are successful bowlers. They are getting wickets and giving fewer runs. I think spinners are getting more benefits on this pitch than pacers. India can have an extra spinner in their squad. Because even if the spinners get fewer wickets, they are not spending more runs.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on November 29, 2020, 02:02:34 PM

It is not the Indian fast bowlers that are struggling in this pitch, Mitchell Starc is also struggling as he is taken for runs in the first two matches and the only bowler that is successful is Adam Zampa who was able to pick wickets.
I want to see competitive matches rather than flat wickets where batsman dominate and the only way they could loose wicket is when they hit straight to a fielder.

Actually Mitchell Starc bowled worse than anyone in the Indian bowling lineup. In the end, it didn't matter because Australia had such a huge score to defend. But I have a feeling that if India had won the toss, and decided to bat first, then things could have been much different. India could have set a total of 350-360, and the Australians could have struggled to chase this down.

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Quote from: Iranus on November 29, 2020, 01:41:49 PM

The batsmen have been able to perform their duties properly. To bat for 380 runs target, being able to score more than 330 runs is definitely good batting. Indian bowlers are not comfortable on the Australian pitch. They are not giving their best. We have seen Bumrah bowl great in the IPL. But Bumrah is not able to bowl better on the Australian pitch. Although the pitches are mainly batting dependent, such poor bowling cannot be expected from India.

It is not the Indian fast bowlers that are struggling in this pitch, Mitchell Starc is also struggling as he is taken for runs in the first two matches and the only bowler that is successful is Adam Zampa who was able to pick wickets.
I want to see competitive matches rather than flat wickets where batsman dominate and the only way they could loose wicket is when they hit straight to a fielder.

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India have lost two matches. I would say their batsmen have played very well. But their bowlers are not successful. Their performance are very bad . If their bowlers can’t improve themselves in the next match too, they will be whitewashed by Austrelian squad. MA Starc said, they want to whitewash India in this series.

India have now five consecutive lost their in ODIs. Despite the loss Indian batsmen manged to play well. Bowlers have not been able to bowl a consistent length and even though Pandya bowled today, it was a little too late. Bowling unit needs to step up, cant expect the batsmen to play much better everytime while chasing such a big targets. India lost his match because of weak bowling. Most of the time Kohli’s captaincy has been off color while chasing the game.

The batsmen have been able to perform their duties properly. To bat for 380 runs target, being able to score more than 330 runs is definitely good batting. Indian bowlers are not comfortable on the Australian pitch. They are not giving their best. We have seen Bumrah bowl great in the IPL. But Bumrah is not able to bowl better on the Australian pitch. Although the pitches are mainly batting dependent, such poor bowling cannot be expected from India.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on November 29, 2020, 12:15:13 PM

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India have now five consecutive lost their in ODIs. Despite the loss Indian batsmen manged to play well. Bowlers have not been able to bowl a consistent length and even though Pandya bowled today, it was a little too late. Bowling unit needs to step up, cant expect the batsmen to play much better everytime while chasing such a big targets. India lost his match because of weak bowling. Most of the time Kohli’s captaincy has been off color while chasing the game.

I can partly agree to your post. But did you watch Steve Smith batting today? Even the commentators were saying that it is impossible to bowl a good line and length against him. Because he will score runs no matter where you deliver the ball. The Indian bowlers tried hard, deploying whatever tricks and tactics they know of. But Smith was scoring runs at such an ease, that they got demoralized in the end. Ironically, the only bowler who impressed me was Hardik Pandya, who was bowling despite being injured.

From the scoring pattern itself it is clear, the pitch is supportive for batsmen. If not, for all the efforts at some point the scoring could've been stopped by the bowlers. As said above, we can't blame the bowlers in todays match. Already the ground is good for batting, apart from this home ground advantage is also there. In such a situation India reaching 338 runs is good cricket.

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Quote from: onecall123 on November 29, 2020, 12:10:13 PM

India have now five consecutive lost their in ODIs. Despite the loss Indian batsmen manged to play well. Bowlers have not been able to bowl a consistent length and even though Pandya bowled today, it was a little too late. Bowling unit needs to step up, cant expect the batsmen to play much better everytime while chasing such a big targets. India lost his match because of weak bowling. Most of the time Kohli’s captaincy has been off color while chasing the game.

I can partly agree to your post. But did you watch Steve Smith batting today? Even the commentators were saying that it is impossible to bowl a good line and length against him. Because he will score runs no matter where you deliver the ball. The Indian bowlers tried hard, deploying whatever tricks and tactics they know of. But Smith was scoring runs at such an ease, that they got demoralized in the end. Ironically, the only bowler who impressed me was Hardik Pandya, who was bowling despite being injured.

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Quote from: Iranus on November 29, 2020, 08:22:34 AM

India have lost two matches. I would say their batsmen have played very well. But their bowlers are not successful. Their performance are very bad . If their bowlers can’t improve themselves in the next match too, they will be whitewashed by Austrelian squad. MA Starc said, they want to whitewash India in this series.

India have now five consecutive lost their in ODIs. Despite the loss Indian batsmen manged to play well. Bowlers have not been able to bowl a consistent length and even though Pandya bowled today, it was a little too late. Bowling unit needs to step up, cant expect the batsmen to play much better everytime while chasing such a big targets. India lost his match because of weak bowling. Most of the time Kohli’s captaincy has been off color while chasing the game.

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India have lost two matches. I would say their batsmen have played very well. But their bowlers are not successful. Their performance are very bad . If their bowlers can’t improve themselves in the next match too, they will be whitewashed by Austrelian squad. MA Starc said, they want to whitewash India in this series.

Australia will white wash India in this series and the pitches are batsman friendly and the bowlers are not getting any assistance from the pitch and you cannot complain them as both teams are struggling with their bowling and the reason they are getting the wickets is because of the big score they are able to put on the board, next one i would like to see India winning the toss and batting first and lets see whether we can see any difference.

India will not be able to win even if they bat first. At least I think so. If you look at the strategy of the Australians team, they want to save wickets without looking at the run rate in the first 20 overs. But the Indian batsmen batted aggressively from the start. And quickly lost wickets. Even if Australia bat later, I think they will keep their strategy right. I am hopeful they will win the last match too

Startegy changes when you bat first as otherwise chasing big score when you are already in a do or die game. So the first 20 overs in such situation becomes crucial because if start is good then run rate remains under control and also the pressure on remaining batsman are limited else if RR shoots to 9 from 30th over then there is hardly any chance to settle for new batsman in the game and has to hit from first ball. Chances could have been better if India would have won and elected to bat first as against batting second.

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I don't think NA Saini should be given another chance in this series. If the bowling action of the Indian team does not change in the next match too and the bowlers are unable to perform well, then the Indian team will be whitewashed. And it will not be honorable for them at all. India will want to win the next match in any way. I think they definitely need to change the bowling lineup.

There is no point in targeting Saini. The other bowlers also leaked a lot of runs. Both Shami and Bumrah conceded almost 8 runs per over today. Chahal also gave away a lot of easy deliveries. The outcome of the third match doesn't matter much, as Australia have won the series. And for India, their position in the points table for the 2020–22 ICC Cricket World Cup Super League is not important, as they have already qualified for the 2023 World Cup. So I agree with JSRAW. For the third match, India can include youngsters like Natarajan and Saini in the playing XI.

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India have lost two matches. I would say their batsmen have played very well. But their bowlers are not successful. Their performance are very bad . If their bowlers can’t improve themselves in the next match too, they will be whitewashed by Austrelian squad. MA Starc said, they want to whitewash India in this series.

Australia will white wash India in this series and the pitches are batsman friendly and the bowlers are not getting any assistance from the pitch and you cannot complain them as both teams are struggling with their bowling and the reason they are getting the wickets is because of the big score they are able to put on the board, next one i would like to see India winning the toss and batting first and lets see whether we can see any difference.

India will not be able to win even if they bat first. At least I think so. If you look at the strategy of the Australians team, they want to save wickets without looking at the run rate in the first 20 overs. But the Indian batsmen batted aggressively from the start. And quickly lost wickets. Even if Australia bat later, I think they will keep their strategy right. I am hopeful they will win the last match too

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Quote from: Iranus on November 29, 2020, 08:22:34 AM

India have lost two matches. I would say their batsmen have played very well. But their bowlers are not successful. Their performance are very bad . If their bowlers can’t improve themselves in the next match too, they will be whitewashed by Austrelian squad. MA Starc said, they want to whitewash India in this series.

Australia will white wash India in this series and the pitches are batsman friendly and the bowlers are not getting any assistance from the pitch and you cannot complain them as both teams are struggling with their bowling and the reason they are getting the wickets is because of the big score they are able to put on the board, next one i would like to see India winning the toss and batting first and lets see whether we can see any difference.

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Shikhar and Mayank was playing with confidence but ended up losing the wickets. I guess there’s zero chance left unless captain VK turns into Hardik Pandya now Cheesy

But that's unlikely to happen.

At the end of 17 overs, India scored 109 runs by losing 2 wickets. If the Indian team does not lose wickets very quickly, we will see a competitive match. Because there are some great batsmen in the Indian squad. India need 281 runs off 198 balls.

Scored 185 at the end of 29 overs still 126 balls left But need 206 so the equation turning into T20 standards, only India batsman looking in good touch is Virat likely to post another century under his stats in this match.KL Rahul and Virat in the middle now still Pandya is out there so if they score at 9 runs oer over then they can win this match.

Can india score 130 runs on the last 10 overs and save the match ? This is too difficult target but india still have six wickets in hands. Few good overs with 15+ runs can change the direction of the match. Can Pandya and Rahul become the hero for the indians today ?

I don't think so India can win this match. India need more 102 runs in just 38 balls with 5 wickets remaining. KL Rahul is gone for 76 . Another win for Australia on the way.Australia is really dominating in this series .

India require another 72 in 26 balls, though it looks very difficult for India to win it but alteast they would lose by less margin this game compared to first. Also, everyone did contribute from bat though Virat if could have completed his century things probably would have being different and also not to forget Rahul superb innings of 76 with 5 sixes.

India have lost two matches. I would say their batsmen have played very well. But their bowlers are not successful. Their performance are very bad . If their bowlers can’t improve themselves in the next match too, they will be whitewashed by Austrelian squad. MA Starc said, they want to whitewash India in this series.

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Australian bowlers were wayward and they knew that India was never going to get there. There was a lot of complacency from the part of Mitchell Starc and Pat Cummins. Starc has failed for the second consecutive match. He is a pace-bowling legend, but his recent performances are appalling. Series is decided now, with Australia leading 2-0. At least for the final match, Kohli can do some experimentation, resting players such as Saini and Chahal.

If they are into experiment mode then Virat should give rest to Bumah or Shami (They are playing all 3 formats) and include Natrajan in the playing squad. Give Saini full series for experience, it was his 7th ODI match so he could use more games.

Hmm.. I guess I have to agree with you there. Thangarasu Natarajan is an exciting bowler and he will add variety to the Indian pace battery. Right now all their bowlers (with the exception of Jadeja) are right-handed and the addition of Natarajan will be like a game changer. No issues in sticking with Saini. He is a promising young bowler, so can be given one more chance in the ODI series.

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At one point I felt they will be able to match the score but they could not yet, they were able to reach 338. Not bad by the Indian batsmen they did fight till the end. Very disappointed by the performance of the Indian bowlers if they had balled well then Australia would have not been able to score such a huge target. Still enjoyed the game as both sides batsmen performed really well.

Australian bowlers were wayward and they knew that India was never going to get there. There was a lot of complacency from the part of Mitchell Starc and Pat Cummins. Starc has failed for the second consecutive match. He is a pace-bowling legend, but his recent performances are appalling. Series is decided now, with Australia leading 2-0. At least for the final match, Kohli can do some experimentation, resting players such as Saini and Chahal.

Australian pitches are made to be easier for batsmen. It would be harder for the bowler to turn the ball. Kohli and Iyer though made a good partnership, they couldn't maintain a good runrate. They were on the crease for more time but seemed like they were playing the first innings while chasing a huge target. If such is the case even in T20, I don't think India would get even a win.

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At one point I felt they will be able to match the score but they could not yet, they were able to reach 338. Not bad by the Indian batsmen they did fight till the end. Very disappointed by the performance of the Indian bowlers if they had balled well then Australia would have not been able to score such a huge target. Still enjoyed the game as both sides batsmen performed really well.

Australian bowlers were wayward and they knew that India was never going to get there. There was a lot of complacency from the part of Mitchell Starc and Pat Cummins. Starc has failed for the second consecutive match. He is a pace-bowling legend, but his recent performances are appalling. Series is decided now, with Australia leading 2-0. At least for the final match, Kohli can do some experimentation, resting players such as Saini and Chahal.

If they are into experiment mode then Virat should give rest to Bumah or Shami (They are playing all 3 formats) and include Natrajan in the playing squad. Give Saini full series for experience, it was his 7th ODI match so he could use more games.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on November 29, 2020, 07:51:14 AM

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At one point I felt they will be able to match the score but they could not yet, they were able to reach 338. Not bad by the Indian batsmen they did fight till the end. Very disappointed by the performance of the Indian bowlers if they had balled well then Australia would have not been able to score such a huge target. Still enjoyed the game as both sides batsmen performed really well.

Australian bowlers were wayward and they knew that India was never going to get there. There was a lot of complacency from the part of Mitchell Starc and Pat Cummins. Starc has failed for the second consecutive match. He is a pace-bowling legend, but his recent performances are appalling. Series is decided now, with Australia leading 2-0. At least for the final match, Kohli can do some experimentation, resting players such as Saini and Chahal.

Including one more pacer into the team can give stability so its good idea to give rest to Chahal and go with four full time pacers which may do some changes from their past performance. Modern day cricket becomes high scoring games, so bowlers need to evolve to keep the match more exciting as before.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on November 29, 2020, 07:29:26 AM

At one point I felt they will be able to match the score but they could not yet, they were able to reach 338. Not bad by the Indian batsmen they did fight till the end. Very disappointed by the performance of the Indian bowlers if they had balled well then Australia would have not been able to score such a huge target. Still enjoyed the game as both sides batsmen performed really well.

Australian bowlers were wayward and they knew that India was never going to get there. There was a lot of complacency from the part of Mitchell Starc and Pat Cummins. Starc has failed for the second consecutive match. He is a pace-bowling legend, but his recent performances are appalling. Series is decided now, with Australia leading 2-0. At least for the final match, Kohli can do some experimentation, resting players such as Saini and Chahal.

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Scored 185 at the end of 29 overs still 126 balls left But need 206 so the equation turning into T20 standards, only India batsman looking in good touch is Virat likely to post another century under his stats in this match.KL Rahul and Virat in the middle now still Pandya is out there so if they score at 9 runs oer over then they can win this match.

Scoring at such a rate is near impossible against the Australian bowlers, although some of them seems to be out of form. Both Starc and Cummins are struggling to find good line and length. The tight bowling from Hazlewood made the difference in this match (as well as the last one). Both the teams are looking weak in their bowling department and I believe this may be due to lack of match practice.

At one point I felt they will be able to match the score but they could not yet, they were able to reach 338. Not bad by the Indian batsmen they did fight till the end. Very disappointed by the performance of the Indian bowlers if they had balled well then Australia would have not been able to score such a huge target. Still enjoyed the game as both sides batsmen performed really well.

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Quote from: mersal on November 29, 2020, 05:08:47 AM

Scored 185 at the end of 29 overs still 126 balls left But need 206 so the equation turning into T20 standards, only India batsman looking in good touch is Virat likely to post another century under his stats in this match.KL Rahul and Virat in the middle now still Pandya is out there so if they score at 9 runs oer over then they can win this match.

Scoring at such a rate is near impossible against the Australian bowlers, although some of them seems to be out of form. Both Starc and Cummins are struggling to find good line and length. The tight bowling from Hazlewood made the difference in this match (as well as the last one). Both the teams are looking weak in their bowling department and I believe this may be due to lack of match practice.

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Shikhar and Mayank was playing with confidence but ended up losing the wickets. I guess there’s zero chance left unless captain VK turns into Hardik Pandya now Cheesy

But that's unlikely to happen.

At the end of 17 overs, India scored 109 runs by losing 2 wickets. If the Indian team does not lose wickets very quickly, we will see a competitive match. Because there are some great batsmen in the Indian squad. India need 281 runs off 198 balls.

Scored 185 at the end of 29 overs still 126 balls left But need 206 so the equation turning into T20 standards, only India batsman looking in good touch is Virat likely to post another century under his stats in this match.KL Rahul and Virat in the middle now still Pandya is out there so if they score at 9 runs oer over then they can win this match.

Can india score 130 runs on the last 10 overs and save the match ? This is too difficult target but india still have six wickets in hands. Few good overs with 15+ runs can change the direction of the match. Can Pandya and Rahul become the hero for the indians today ?

I don't think so India can win this match. India need more 102 runs in just 38 balls with 5 wickets remaining. KL Rahul is gone for 76 . Another win for Australia on the way.Australia is really dominating in this series .

India require another 72 in 26 balls, though it looks very difficult for India to win it but alteast they would lose by less margin this game compared to first. Also, everyone did contribute from bat though Virat if could have completed his century things probably would have being different and also not to forget Rahul superb innings of 76 with 5 sixes.

It does not matter if India lost by few runs or a big margin. It will result in the loss of the all important one day series against Australia. That would be a big upset for them.

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