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Quote from: glowing10 on June 26, 2020, 06:10:17 AM

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India vs Pakistan

True, If there is no political quackery then arguably comes at top 3 biggest rivalry in all sports, way bigger than The Ashes. There is a reason more than a billion people stop working voluntary when India and Pakistan playing against each other.

This is the biggest riverly atleast in cricket hitsory India vs Pakistan as both countries literally come to stand still. I do remember that whenever India vs Pakistan meets in any of the world cups tournament the country sees very less crowds on roads or in offices. Everyone is busy watching this match. Also people who are not much intro cricket or take least interest also do not miss out watching this major match between both the countries and excitement is all together at different levels. Many organizations specially to this match put the big screen their offices so that they come to work and also can enjoy match too.

The rivalry is well known by everyone who loves cricket and that is why everyone is waiting for the T20 World cup because everyone feels that this tournament will be the one where these two teams might face each other and we all can enjoy that match. Until 2021 we have to wait for it.

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Quote from: glowing10 on June 26, 2020, 06:10:17 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 26, 2020, 04:54:05 AM

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India vs Pakistan

True, If there is no political quackery then arguably comes at top 3 biggest rivalry in all sports, way bigger than The Ashes. There is a reason more than a billion people stop working voluntary when India and Pakistan playing against each other.

This is the biggest riverly atleast in cricket hitsory India vs Pakistan as both countries literally come to stand still. I do remember that whenever India vs Pakistan meets in any of the world cups tournament the country sees very less crowds on roads or in offices. Everyone is busy watching this match. Also people who are not much intro cricket or take least interest also do not miss out watching this major match between both the countries and excitement is all together at different levels. Many organizations specially to this match put the big screen their offices so that they come to work and also can enjoy match too.

Now this all beauty of cricket is gone as politicians doing their own duty for sack of this and we will never able to have this again in our lives as this tension is not going to end in near future so just think and feel about this great history of cricket and write for our kids those never can enjoy this all. Sad

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 26, 2020, 12:40:44 AM

If it comes down to only one format then obvious choice is T-20, simply because of revenue. Its not entirely possible so the best they can do is scrap unnecessary ODI series completely (Not WC) for more empty schedule and play more t-20, ODI seems time wasting to me anyway except world cup. and introduce some kind of group system in the Test format for competitiveness.

I agree. Both ODI and T20 can be classified as "Limited Over" formats. Earlier, the ODI matches used to consist of 60 overs per innings (until the mid 80s) and then it was reduced to 50 overs. Now let's assume that the duration is further reduced to 20 overs. With the introduction of the T20 format, the 50-over format has lost its relevance. I would not suggest the ICC to drop the test matches, since it represents the traditional cricket format. But ODI can be done away with.

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India vs Pakistan

True, If there is no political quackery then arguably comes at top 3 biggest rivalry in all sports, way bigger than The Ashes. There is a reason more than a billion people stop working voluntary when India and Pakistan playing against each other.

This is the biggest riverly atleast in cricket hitsory India vs Pakistan as both countries literally come to stand still. I do remember that whenever India vs Pakistan meets in any of the world cups tournament the country sees very less crowds on roads or in offices. Everyone is busy watching this match. Also people who are not much intro cricket or take least interest also do not miss out watching this major match between both the countries and excitement is all together at different levels. Many organizations specially to this match put the big screen their offices so that they come to work and also can enjoy match too.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 26, 2020, 03:06:44 AM

India vs Pakistan

True, If there is no political quackery then arguably comes at top 3 biggest rivalry in all sports, way bigger than The Ashes. There is a reason more than a billion people stop working voluntary when India and Pakistan playing against each other.

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Another interesting article guys. This one talks about some of the greatest Cricket related Guinness World records so far.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/crickettimes.com/2020/06/top-10-guinness-world-records-held-by-cricketers/amp/

The ones that blew me away were Dhoni's bat and the India vs Pakistan 2019 match. This proves that it doesn't get any bigger than an India vs Pakistan match in the world of Cricket. I hope we get to see these teams duke it out more often in the future.

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If it comes down to only one format then obvious choice is T-20, simply because of revenue. Its not entirely possible so the best they can do is scrap unnecessary ODI series completely (Not WC) for more empty schedule and play more t-20, ODI seems time wasting to me anyway except world cup. and introduce some kind of group system in the Test format for competitiveness.

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Quote from: akhjob on June 25, 2020, 11:43:01 AM

I would hate it if ICC focuses only on T20 Cricket. It's true that its less time consuming, revenue-generating and a good attraction for new guys but I feel it more like a baseball game. In T20s the batsmen try to go after each and every ball and hit as many boundaries as you can something like an adrenaline rush. IMO, only in test matches, a player's endurance, skill, technique, fitness etc are exposed.

I understand what your opinion, but we need to focus on the big picture here. Tests and ODIs have become way less attracting when compared to the T-20 format these days.

I don't want tests and ODIs to be cancelled completely since they still have a niche as you stated. Justouple of ODIs and tests per year should suffice while majority of the matches should be T-20s.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 24, 2020, 10:53:37 PM

My opinion is that the ICC should focus on the format which is less time consuming, more revenue generating and something which can attract new fans. And that would be the T20 format.

This has always been something which I thought of ever since the T20 format was introduced years ago which is why I completely agree with you here. The popularity of Cricket would probably soar drastically if ICC stuck to this single format in the future.

I would hate it if ICC focuses only on T20 Cricket. It's true that its less time consuming, revenue-generating and a good attraction for new guys but I feel it more like a baseball game. In T20s the batsmen try to go after each and every ball and hit as many boundaries as you can something like an adrenaline rush. IMO, only in test matches, a player's endurance, skill, technique, fitness etc are exposed.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 24, 2020, 10:56:24 AM

As you can see, NFL and MLB are ranked much above the EPL.

True. Popularity matters more though. Soccer unites the entire world where as sports like NFL and MLB unite the local states of USA. Global popularity trumps local popularity any day.

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For sure cricket is the second most popular sports in the world and 30% of the world population is located in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri lanka Wink

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Global is global at the end of the day(Doesn't matter if it's 1st world or 3rd world countries). There is a reason why Cricket has been listed as the 2nd most popular sport on Wikipedia.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 24, 2020, 10:53:37 PM

My opinion is that the ICC should focus on the format which is less time consuming, more revenue generating and something which can attract new fans. And that would be the T20 format.

This has always been something which I thought of ever since the T20 format was introduced years ago which is why I completely agree with you here. The popularity of Cricket would probably soar drastically if ICC stuck to this single format in the future.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 24, 2020, 10:20:34 PM

Right now cricket has 3 different formats and cricket boards doing more experiment with the format (Positive: More choice for cricket fans; Con : Fans are divided). Just wondering, what if ICC focus on only 1 format similar to other sports? This might change some dynamics, i suppose. Tough choice indeed and can understand the dilemma among the cricket fraternity. #Speculation_FYI Grin

Excellent idea. Right now we have three contrasting formats - test, ODI and T20. In addition to these, there are unofficial formats such as T10, Sixes cricket and beach cricket. So many formats are there and this can be confusing to those who are new to the sport. My opinion is that the ICC should focus on the format which is less time consuming, more revenue generating and something which can attract new fans. And that would be the T20 format.

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Right now cricket has 3 different formats and cricket boards doing more experiment with the format (Positive: More choice for cricket fans; Con : Fans are divided). Just wondering, what if ICC focus on only 1 format similar to other sports? This might change some dynamics, i suppose. Tough choice indeed and can understand the dilemma among the cricket fraternity. #Speculation_FYI Grin

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 24, 2020, 07:59:35 AM

~Playing for the national team is not very rewarding in financial terms, but players do that as a result of patriotism. On the other hand, Lionel Messi plays most of his matches for Barcelona, while Cristiano Ronaldo plays for the Italian club Juventus. That is the reason for the difference in salaries.

Cricket is not a rewarding sports compared to Soccer and these players are not playing for the national team because of patriotism but the love of the sport and that is the only option they have to make money, now there are clubs for T20 other than that what is the most reward you are going to get from Cricket compared to other major sports and the only option is to play for the national team.

Quote from: Haunebu on June 24, 2020, 10:46:31 AM

Soccer is more popular than Cricket which is why this makes sense, but there are global superstars in the world of Cricket too considering Cricket is the 2nd most popular sport in the world. Anyway, let's just agree to disagree.

For sure cricket is the second most popular sports in the world and 30% of the world population is located in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri lanka Wink

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Actually, Cricket and Football are completely different, you have to admit football is the number 1 sports in the world.

That is my argument too, football is the real global game as all the countries play football and that cannot be said about any other sports.

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The point i was making is that you cannot compare global superstars and cricket superstars.

I disagree here. Cricket stars are global stars too. You can obviously compare players like Kohli and Smith with Messi and Ronaldo. Check this out.

The difference is in the link you provided, Kohli earns $2 millions from cricket and $24 million from endorsements while Ronaldo earns $34 million from football and the rest from endorsement. The contrast is evident in the pay scale they get from the sport they play and that is the contrast i was pointing out.
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Actually, Cricket and Football are completely different, you have to admit football is the number 1 sports in the world. Football is played in almost all countries of the world. on the other hand, Cricket is popular too but it's not so widespread, On Football you will see a lot of spectators and every famous footballer have a big fan base. You may know every clubs paid a lot to footballers but cricketers get much less than them.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 24, 2020, 10:46:31 AM

As I mentioned earlier, Ronaldo and Messi earn way more than Kohli, Smith etc, but you can clearly see that Kohli is a part of such a prestigious list which is why he is a global superstar.

Soccer is more popular than Cricket which is why this makes sense, but there are global superstars in the world of Cricket too considering Cricket is the 2nd most popular sport in the world. Anyway, let's just agree to disagree.

Popular is one thing, and being rich is another. Soccer may be the most popular sport in the planet. But the largest market is United States and soccer (association football) doesn't rank among the top 5 sports there. You can check this list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues_by_revenue

As you can see, NFL and MLB are ranked much above the EPL.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on June 24, 2020, 06:14:05 AM

The difference is in the link you provided, Kohli earns $2 millions from cricket and $24 million from endorsements while Ronaldo earns $34 million from football and the rest from endorsement. The contrast is evident in the pay scale they get from the sport they play and that is the contrast i was pointing out.

As I mentioned earlier, Ronaldo and Messi earn way more than Kohli, Smith etc, but you can clearly see that Kohli is a part of such a prestigious list which is why he is a global superstar.

Soccer is more popular than Cricket which is why this makes sense, but there are global superstars in the world of Cricket too considering Cricket is the 2nd most popular sport in the world. Anyway, let's just agree to disagree.

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The point i was making is that you cannot compare global superstars and cricket superstars.

I disagree here. Cricket stars are global stars too. You can obviously compare players like Kohli and Smith with Messi and Ronaldo. Check this out.

The difference is in the link you provided, Kohli earns $2 millions from cricket and $24 million from endorsements while Ronaldo earns $34 million from football and the rest from endorsement. The contrast is evident in the pay scale they get from the sport they play and that is the contrast i was pointing out.

This is not exactly an apple to apple comparison. Kohli plays most of his matches for the Indian national team and here the salary may be lower than what he get from the Royal Challengers Bangalore. Playing for the national team is not very rewarding in financial terms, but players do that as a result of patriotism. On the other hand, Lionel Messi plays most of his matches for Barcelona, while Cristiano Ronaldo plays for the Italian club Juventus. That is the reason for the difference in salaries.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on June 23, 2020, 11:33:13 PM

The point i was making is that you cannot compare global superstars and cricket superstars.

I disagree here. Cricket stars are global stars too. You can obviously compare players like Kohli and Smith with Messi and Ronaldo. Check this out.

The difference is in the link you provided, Kohli earns $2 millions from cricket and $24 million from endorsements while Ronaldo earns $34 million from football and the rest from endorsement. The contrast is evident in the pay scale they get from the sport they play and that is the contrast i was pointing out.

Quote from: Haunebu on June 24, 2020, 02:01:00 AM

The lockdowns around the world were implemented for you to sit back and relax which itself is the best case scenario. They did help the poor which is noble indeed, but they could have been more careful since the virus spreads easily.

I bet none of the people that got infected or died wanted to be infected to begin with, many people from the health care industry died and some wanted to help the poor and it is really unfortunate and since they are healthy because they were international players and there is not much risk for them compared to people having history of illness.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on June 23, 2020, 11:33:13 PM

The point i was making is that you cannot compare global superstars and cricket superstars.

I disagree here. Cricket stars are global stars too. You can obviously compare players like Kohli and Smith with Messi and Ronaldo. Check this out.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/magazines/panache/kohli-only-indian-in-2020-forbes-worlds-highest-paid-athletes-list-with-25-mn-worth/amp_articleshow/76105310.cms

I shared this news here sometime back. Kohli made it to the top 100. This just goes to show that Cricket stars popularity(Especially in 3rd world countries) continues to rise with no signs of slowing down.

Quote from: Haunebu on June 23, 2020, 02:00:09 PM

True, sit back and relax and avoid going out, the chances are you are not going to be infected but they choose to help the poor and the needy which is a noble thing to do.

The lockdowns around the world were implemented for you to sit back and relax which itself is the best case scenario. They did help the poor which is noble indeed, but they could have been more careful since the virus spreads easily.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 23, 2020, 12:52:05 PM

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There is no guarantee that the infection will be limited to just the 10 players who tested positive. Because the incubation period may last for a few days and some of the players who tested negative for the virus yesterday may have got infected with it. Only when they test the players for the second time there will be enough clarity on this subject. In case more players test positive, then the tour must be called off.

Since there is a large portion of the team members getting positive it is possible that we might see more members getting positive and it is really unfortunate to see that happen and the worst is if all the players got infected after getting together for training which means that the cricket board did not conduct any proper testing before allowing the players to mingle.

Quote from: Haunebu on June 23, 2020, 02:00:09 PM

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You misunderstood my point. I know that Messi and Ronaldo are way more popular overall, but I wasn't trying to compare them and their salaries. I was pointing out how Kohli and Smith are superstars like them in the Cricketing world.

The point i was making is that you cannot compare global superstars and cricket superstars, i do not think Smith have a much bigger fan following but Kohli might have because of Indian fans which is really high in number. Both these players are really consistent and that separates them from the rest of the players.

Quote from: Haunebu on June 23, 2020, 02:00:09 PM

Rules are everything in this scenario. Afridi, Mortaza etc didn't follow the rules and interacted with many people due to relief work etc leading to them being tested positive. If you follow the rules, the chances of contracting the virus drop drastically.

True, sit back and relax and avoid going out, the chances are you are not going to be infected but they choose to help the poor and the needy which is a noble thing to do. How about the huge number of Pakistan players who are infected, i bet not everyone was doing charity work and they might get infected because of the lack of following the standard procedure of testing everyone.

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