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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 20, 2020, 06:50:44 AM

He has already announced his retirement. If BCCI want to give a proper farewell, then they can announce one of the international matches as beneficiary match for MSD, but he won't be playing in that match. Also I guess that Dhoni is angry with the selectors and the coach, who were indifferent to him lately. He deserved one farewell match, but it will be better for him to settle for a beneficiary match instead.

BCCI willing to organize a farewell match https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/news/bcci-willing-to-host-a-farewell-match-for-dhoni-official/articleshow/77631638.cms. Yet no comments from Dhoni.

I don't think he is angry with the selectors. After ODI worldcup, its was his own desicion not to play for a while, but he want to play the IPL and the T20 worldcup.

THe t20 worldcup has postponed to OCT-NOV next year. Dhoni is currently 39 years old, its tough for a player of that age to maintain his match fitness.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 19, 2020, 07:44:27 AM

Why there is so much attachment with a single player? And this is not something that is unique to Dhoni. The same happened when Sachin Tendulkar, Saurav Ganguly and Rahul Dravid retired. I guess South Asians are more attached to the players, while those in the other regions are more concerned about their national team.

I disagree. MSD is unique when compared to legends like Sachin, Dravid etc due to his excellent skills in multiple departments. Also, why can't people get attached to a single player? If he puts smiles on their faces and brings them happiness, that is all that matters.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 20, 2020, 06:50:44 AM

Also I guess that Dhoni is angry with the selectors and the coach, who were indifferent to him lately. He deserved one farewell match, but it will be better for him to settle for a beneficiary match instead.

I don't think that he is angry or anything. He probably wanted to play in the T20 World Cup, but it getting postponed messed up his plans and that is probably why he didn't want to postpone his retirement any longer.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on August 19, 2020, 05:58:53 PM

Since everyone here is talking about MSD and his legendary career there are reports coming out that BCCI is considering a farewell match for him to have a proper farewell match after the IPL and he deserves that kind of respect rather than fading out like this. I hope MSD accepts the proposal and we could see him play for the country one last time.

He has already announced his retirement. If BCCI want to give a proper farewell, then they can announce one of the international matches as beneficiary match for MSD, but he won't be playing in that match. Also I guess that Dhoni is angry with the selectors and the coach, who were indifferent to him lately. He deserved one farewell match, but it will be better for him to settle for a beneficiary match instead.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on August 19, 2020, 05:58:53 PM

Since everyone here is talking about MSD and his legendary career there are reports coming out that BCCI is considering a farewell match for him to have a proper farewell match after the IPL and he deserves that kind of respect rather than fading out like this. I hope MSD accepts the proposal and we could see him play for the country one last time.

Dhoni might reject, he likes to stay away from any drama/limelight and i feel that BCCI had some plans on farewell home series for him but then pandemic hit the world real hard out of nowhere so its not anyone's fault.

Raina also retired with him so it would be bad idea to organize farewell game for just one player IMO.

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Since everyone here is talking about MSD and his legendary career there are reports coming out that BCCI is considering a farewell match for him to have a proper farewell match after the IPL and he deserves that kind of respect rather than fading out like this. I hope MSD accepts the proposal and we could see him play for the country one last time.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 19, 2020, 09:02:46 AM

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^^ One reason is South Asians don't have much to cheer about and when it comes to sports then only cricket fill some sort of joy in our pathetic sports culture. So it's obvious when one player perform exceptionally well all country despite their religion,caste, creed rally behind him like crazy.

Yes... India has failed to perform well in the Olympics, or in sports other than cricket. It is the second most populous nation with a population of 1.38 billion (and if the projections are true, we'll overtake China pretty soon). Despite this, India has never scored more than 1-2 medals per edition, in the Olympic games. It may have something to do with the ethnicity.

But that doesn't mean that Indians are not crazy after their stars from the other sports. Two decades back, Baichung Bhutia (Football) and Leander Paes (Tennis) used to have huge fan following among the Indians. Then it was the turn of PV Sindhu/Saina Nehwal (Badminton), Sunil Chhetri (Football) and Mary Kom (Boxing).

Indians too have more talents and can compete in the top of the Olympics table but the problem we don't have proper platforms to make it possible so the sports career ends up in the state level itself even is they have exceptional talents and also politics is a reason why there is for people with talents are not getting selected.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 19, 2020, 09:02:46 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 19, 2020, 07:54:07 AM

^^ One reason is South Asians don't have much to cheer about and when it comes to sports then only cricket fill some sort of joy in our pathetic sports culture. So it's obvious when one player perform exceptionally well all country despite their religion,caste, creed rally behind him like crazy.

Yes... India has failed to perform well in the Olympics, or in sports other than cricket. It is the second most populous nation with a population of 1.38 billion (and if the projections are true, we'll overtake China pretty soon). Despite this, India has never scored more than 1-2 medals per edition, in the Olympic games. It may have something to do with the ethnicity.

But that doesn't mean that Indians are not crazy after their stars from the other sports. Two decades back, Baichung Bhutia (Football) and Leander Paes (Tennis) used to have huge fan following among the Indians. Then it was the turn of PV Sindhu/Saina Nehwal (Badminton), Sunil Chhetri (Football) and Mary Kom (Boxing).

Even India is now enjoying some good time in other sports as well but still too much crazy about cricket and giving not enough time and talk about other sports is still big issue as many other sports persons already complain about this but no one can give any thing with this as its not in hand of media or authorities.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 19, 2020, 07:54:07 AM

^^ One reason is South Asians don't have much to cheer about and when it comes to sports then only cricket fill some sort of joy in our pathetic sports culture. So it's obvious when one player perform exceptionally well all country despite their religion,caste, creed rally behind him like crazy.

Yes... India has failed to perform well in the Olympics, or in sports other than cricket. It is the second most populous nation with a population of 1.38 billion (and if the projections are true, we'll overtake China pretty soon). Despite this, India has never scored more than 1-2 medals per edition, in the Olympic games. It may have something to do with the ethnicity.

But that doesn't mean that Indians are not crazy after their stars from the other sports. Two decades back, Baichung Bhutia (Football) and Leander Paes (Tennis) used to have huge fan following among the Indians. Then it was the turn of PV Sindhu/Saina Nehwal (Badminton), Sunil Chhetri (Football) and Mary Kom (Boxing).

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^^ One reason is South Asians don't have much to cheer about and when it comes to sports then only cricket fill some sort of joy in our pathetic sports culture. So it's obvious when one player perform exceptionally well all country despite their religion,caste, creed rally behind him like crazy.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 18, 2020, 03:31:14 PM

There is a reason why MSD is considered one of the greatest legends of all time even among legends. It's because of his insane popularity worldwide. Even if the selectors didn't select him, the people did. He is basically the people's champion.

His captaincy, wicket-keeper, batting skills and his finishing style is what made him famous among the people. Whenever India lose a match and MSD isn't part of the squad, people wish that he was part of the squad.

Majority of his fans including me never really focused on his consistency or anything. There is just something about him that you feel like the match isn't over until he gets out. Recent World Cup Semi-final and IPL final are just a couple of examples.

Why there is so much attachment with a single player? And this is not something that is unique to Dhoni. The same happened when Sachin Tendulkar, Saurav Ganguly and Rahul Dravid retired. I guess South Asians are more attached to the players, while those in the other regions are more concerned about their national team. You will never hear the Brits or the Australians supporting their players so much. And that's why the CA officials could ban Steve Smith and still walk away without getting destroyed by the fans.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 18, 2020, 03:31:14 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 18, 2020, 12:41:03 AM

Why blame the selectors? Dhoni's strike rate was well below average in the recent T20I and ODI matches in which he played. Even when the required rate was very high, he failed to step up the momentum. And despite this, the selectors included him in the squad.

His captaincy, wicket-keeper, batting skills and his finishing style is what made him famous among the people. Whenever India lose a match and MSD isn't part of the squad, people wish that he was part of the squad.

There is no denying that he is a legend of indian cricket but I do agree with @Vishnu.Reang, his performance was below the acceptable average. There were others who could have been more productive if they were playing in his place. This was the right time for him to retire with dignity rather than getting dropped by the selectors.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 18, 2020, 03:31:14 PM

There is a reason why MSD is considered one of the greatest legends of all time even among legends. It's because of his insane popularity worldwide. Even if the selectors didn't select him, the people did. He is basically the people's champion.
His captaincy, wicket-keeper, batting skills and his finishing style is what made him famous among the people. Whenever India lose a match and MSD isn't part of the squad, people wish that he was part of the squad.

No one would debate against the legacy MSD and the impact he made in world cricket, he is the best finisher in world cricket and i place him well above Hussey who played consistent cricket and his wicket keeping skills are insane especially his quick stumpings as we usually do not see that kind of quick hands and he made that his master class as his skills behind the wicket helped India in many matches and i do not remember him missing a chance.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 18, 2020, 12:41:03 AM

Why blame the selectors? Dhoni's strike rate was well below average in the recent T20I and ODI matches in which he played. Even when the required rate was very high, he failed to step up the momentum. And despite this, the selectors included him in the squad.

There is a reason why MSD is considered one of the greatest legends of all time even among legends. It's because of his insane popularity worldwide. Even if the selectors didn't select him, the people did. He is basically the people's champion.

His captaincy, wicket-keeper, batting skills and his finishing style is what made him famous among the people. Whenever India lose a match and MSD isn't part of the squad, people wish that he was part of the squad.

Majority of his fans including me never really focused on his consistency or anything. There is just something about him that you feel like the match isn't over until he gets out. Recent World Cup Semi-final and IPL final are just a couple of examples.

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Quote from: mersal on August 18, 2020, 09:29:24 AM

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Quote from: mersal on August 18, 2020, 03:52:48 AM

Strike rate is not really a matter for the player like Dhoni, because he proved that he can win the matches from nowhere and did many times in the past even in the world cup it was just a frame ahead to reach the crease and he knew it as well, if he crossed that line then the entire story would be different.But nothing to debate for now since he announced the retirement and looking forward for his IPL matches.

I remember a few matches during the 2019 ICC Cricket World Cup, when India was chasing big totals and Dhoni could not score runs quickly. If you check his ODI record, then it is clear. During the last 3 years, his ODI (2018-2020) strike rate is 78.55, while before this period he had maintained a strike rate of 88.46. Also, his ODI batting average was 51.55 for 2004-2017, which went down to 41.67 during 2018-20.

This is because Dhoni intentionally down his batting order number to increase the batting power at the end overs, if the wickets falls too much early then he has to face the middle overs that is why he rotated the strike low and kept the hope alive until the end overs so few hits can change the required numbers completely that is what the experienced cricketer can do when there is not much support from other players with building partnerships.

Quote from: JSRAW on August 18, 2020, 04:14:57 AM

@mersal Strike rate matters bro, that's why pujara doesn't play in the shorter format.

IMO, Dhoni had 3 different avatar through out his career.

Old Dhoni- Where he single handedly won many games for India.
New Dhoni- He was dead weight as far as his batting is concern. Other than that he was still valuable only because of his WK and cricketing mind.
Vintage Dhoni - He always performs well in the IPL.

Strike rate matters though but it doesn't really matters when they can change any match at any time,but nothing to debate about this anymore.

This is still debatable as strike rate really matters in matches this can change matches as well very quickly and any team not feeling about this can go out of way very quickly because now cricket is completely changed you have some idea in England vs West Indies series where in second test they change things very quickly just because of strike rate.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 18, 2020, 04:11:00 AM

Quote from: mersal on August 18, 2020, 03:52:48 AM

Strike rate is not really a matter for the player like Dhoni, because he proved that he can win the matches from nowhere and did many times in the past even in the world cup it was just a frame ahead to reach the crease and he knew it as well, if he crossed that line then the entire story would be different.But nothing to debate for now since he announced the retirement and looking forward for his IPL matches.

I remember a few matches during the 2019 ICC Cricket World Cup, when India was chasing big totals and Dhoni could not score runs quickly. If you check his ODI record, then it is clear. During the last 3 years, his ODI (2018-2020) strike rate is 78.55, while before this period he had maintained a strike rate of 88.46. Also, his ODI batting average was 51.55 for 2004-2017, which went down to 41.67 during 2018-20.

This is because Dhoni intentionally down his batting order number to increase the batting power at the end overs, if the wickets falls too much early then he has to face the middle overs that is why he rotated the strike low and kept the hope alive until the end overs so few hits can change the required numbers completely that is what the experienced cricketer can do when there is not much support from other players with building partnerships.

Quote from: JSRAW on August 18, 2020, 04:14:57 AM

@mersal Strike rate matters bro, that's why pujara doesn't play in the shorter format.

IMO, Dhoni had 3 different avatar through out his career.

Old Dhoni- Where he single handedly won many games for India.
New Dhoni- He was dead weight as far as his batting is concern. Other than that he was still valuable only because of his WK and cricketing mind.
Vintage Dhoni - He always performs well in the IPL.

Strike rate matters though but it doesn't really matters when they can change any match at any time,but nothing to debate about this anymore.

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@mersal Strike rate matters bro, that's why pujara doesn't play in the shorter format.

IMO, Dhoni had 3 different avatar through out his career.

Old Dhoni- Where he single handedly won many games for India.
New Dhoni- He was dead weight as far as his batting is concern. Other than that he was still valuable only because of his WK and cricketing mind.
Vintage Dhoni - He always performs well in the IPL.

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Quote from: mersal on August 18, 2020, 03:52:48 AM

Strike rate is not really a matter for the player like Dhoni, because he proved that he can win the matches from nowhere and did many times in the past even in the world cup it was just a frame ahead to reach the crease and he knew it as well, if he crossed that line then the entire story would be different.But nothing to debate for now since he announced the retirement and looking forward for his IPL matches.

I remember a few matches during the 2019 ICC Cricket World Cup, when India was chasing big totals and Dhoni could not score runs quickly. If you check his ODI record, then it is clear. During the last 3 years, his ODI (2018-2020) strike rate is 78.55, while before this period he had maintained a strike rate of 88.46. Also, his ODI batting average was 51.55 for 2004-2017, which went down to 41.67 during 2018-20.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 18, 2020, 12:41:03 AM

Quote from: mersal on August 17, 2020, 04:00:01 PM

There is lot of politics going inside even if it is a sport because lot of money and pride involved in this sport.I don't think there will be any farewell match for him but surely he is the best of his kind and hero in the mind of billions so everyone is waiting for his arrival on IPL and the chanting of DHONI,DHONI,DHONI,,,will keep continue years more...

Why blame the selectors? Dhoni's strike rate was well below average in the recent T20I and ODI matches in which he played. Even when the required rate was very high, he failed to step up the momentum. And despite this, the selectors included him in the squad. I don't believe that MSK Prasad told him that he won't be in the squad for the T20 World Cup. Because it is not Prasad's decision. The selection is done by a combined team of coach (Shastri), captain (Kohli) and the selector (Prasad).

Strike rate is not really a matter for the player like Dhoni, because he proved that he can win the matches from nowhere and did many times in the past even in the world cup it was just a frame ahead to reach the crease and he knew it as well, if he crossed that line then the entire story would be different.But nothing to debate for now since he announced the retirement and looking forward for his IPL matches.

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Quote from: mersal on August 17, 2020, 04:00:01 PM

There is lot of politics going inside even if it is a sport because lot of money and pride involved in this sport.I don't think there will be any farewell match for him but surely he is the best of his kind and hero in the mind of billions so everyone is waiting for his arrival on IPL and the chanting of DHONI,DHONI,DHONI,,,will keep continue years more...

Why blame the selectors? Dhoni's strike rate was well below average in the recent T20I and ODI matches in which he played. Even when the required rate was very high, he failed to step up the momentum. And despite this, the selectors included him in the squad. I don't believe that MSK Prasad told him that he won't be in the squad for the T20 World Cup. Because it is not Prasad's decision. The selection is done by a combined team of coach (Shastri), captain (Kohli) and the selector (Prasad).

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They have taken retirement from International cricket and IPL as per my understanding is a domestic T20 tournament. Hence, I do not see any reason for MSD or Raina not to play the IPL. They can play as long as their body allows them and as long as they are selected.

Both Suresh Raina and Mahendra Singh Dhoni are like the public face of the Chennai Super Kings. I guess they will be included in the team even if they are out of form. Dhoni is invloved in the selection process and he was active even during the auctions. Also, they have very good relationship with N Srinivasan (who indirectly owns the Chennai Super Kings franchise).

Both of them will play in the IPL but its a sad news that they have retired from the International Arena. Its always a sad to hear good players getting retired. Dhoni has been a super star for the indian cricket both as a captain and also as a wicket keeper batsman.

Dhoni surely deserve some good farewell from Indian team and Board but sadly right now due to Covid 19 its not going to happen we was expecting this retirement after 20/Twenty World cup but now this event is not going to played so he decided to announce this which is also not bad at all.

I don’t know about you’ll but MS Dhoni had no other option but to announce his retirement because team selectors had already decided that he would not be selected again, and with IPL coming up he felt that it was the best time to announce it and then fully focus on IPL. Also I hope that BCCI will arrange him a farewell match later on this year, though I’m not sure what’s the protocols for this but he deserves one last swan song on the field.

Sources:

https://scroll.in/field/931349/ms-dhoni-told-by-chief-selector-msk-prasad-that-he-isnt-in-team-indias-scheme-of-things-report

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/news/organise-a-farewell-match-for-ms-dhoni-in-ranchi-jharkhand-cm-to-bcci/articleshow/77566454.cms

There is lot of politics going inside even if it is a sport because lot of money and pride involved in this sport.I don't think there will be any farewell match for him but surely he is the best of his kind and hero in the mind of billions so everyone is waiting for his arrival on IPL and the chanting of DHONI,DHONI,DHONI,,,will keep continue years more...

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