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Ah Lalit Modi outsmarted kapil dev Grin

It was a power move by the BCCI, they warned all the advertisers to stop advertising the ICL and if they continue to do so they will not be able to sponsor the Indian team and when they played that dirty game all the advertisers moved away and they banned all the players who signed with the ICL.
If it was outsmarting then you would understand but it was pure evil power on display destroying them in every way possible.

Once "The 100 Balls" gets little success then BCCI can do something about it. They did same with the T-20 format, English board invented the format but they were bit cocky to take this format seriously, result BCCI hijacked the idea and rest is history.

India won the first T20 World Cup and that took the format to a different level and IPL just became the spectacle.

Ah well, Big fish eating small fish, same old story..

Yeah and at start BCCI and ECB thought that T-20 is for amateur, including many cricket legends. BCCI learned their lesson quickly but ECB took their sweet time.

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Ah Lalit Modi outsmarted kapil dev Grin

It was a power move by the BCCI, they warned all the advertisers to stop advertising the ICL and if they continue to do so they will not be able to sponsor the Indian team and when they played that dirty game all the advertisers moved away and they banned all the players who signed with the ICL.
If it was outsmarting then you would understand but it was pure evil power on display destroying them in every way possible.

Once "The 100 Balls" gets little success then BCCI can do something about it. They did same with the T-20 format, English board invented the format but they were bit cocky to take this format seriously, result BCCI hijacked the idea and rest is history.

India won the first T20 World Cup and that took the format to a different level and IPL just became the spectacle.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on June 13, 2020, 01:03:51 AM

ECB trying "The 100 Balls" tournament which got delayed due to pandemic. It would be nice addition in the game of cricket as 4th format if spectators gives some positive response.

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If it is entertaining then it will be adopted world wide and if Asian countries starts adopting it then it will be a huge success.

Most South Asian country will adopt it as it will be super entertaining to watch the 100 ball format. The short the version the more exiting it will be. I am sure it will be all about hitting sixes and four. Sadly ballers will again get destroyed and only the best will survive this version.

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This other tournament had kapil dev backing right? i remember reading something about it.

Yes Kapil Dev was the brand ambassador and all the franchise leagues we have right now took the blue print from ICL.

ECB trying "The 100 Balls" tournament which got delayed due to pandemic. It would be nice addition in the game of cricket as 4th format if spectators gives some positive response.

If it is entertaining then it will be adopted world wide and if Asian countries starts adopting it then it will be a huge success.

Ah Lalit Modi outsmarted kapil dev Grin

Once "The 100 Balls" gets little success then BCCI can do something about it. They did same with the T-20 format, English board invented the format but they were bit cocky to take this format seriously, result BCCI hijacked the idea and rest is history.

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This other tournament had kapil dev backing right? i remember reading something about it.

Yes Kapil Dev was the brand ambassador and all the franchise leagues we have right now took the blue print from ICL.

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ECB trying "The 100 Balls" tournament which got delayed due to pandemic. It would be nice addition in the game of cricket as 4th format if spectators gives some positive response.

If it is entertaining then it will be adopted world wide and if Asian countries starts adopting it then it will be a huge success.

~Shane Bond was at his peak form, and this controversy destroyed his career. He did play a few matches in the IPL, but by then his career was largely over.

Shane Bond was my favorite bowler, his smooth action and his pace was a thing of beauty. He retired from all forms of cricket citing he is not able to give 100% and he does not want to reduce his pace to stay longer and even during his last phase of his career he was bowling really well.

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Quote from: BitSat19 on June 12, 2020, 05:13:38 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 12, 2020, 04:35:48 PM

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Players can forget their salaries as the parent company of Zee Entertainment LTD might go bankrupt. I think earlier those who were heading BCCI were not big risk takers but things have changed a lot with the new President.

Hmm.. I remember what happened with the ICL. The players received very harsh punishments from their respective boards. For example, Shane Bond was at his peak form, and this controversy destroyed his career. He did play a few matches in the IPL, but by then his career was largely over. And even after all this, the players never received their full salaries.

I might add his "Injuries part" as well. He was beautiful bowler but had a habit of getting injured from time to time. This was the major reason he never became regular in NZ squad, ICL did play its part in destroying his career, which i agree.

Ian Bishop Shane Bone and Paul Allot these three great bowlers we lost very quickly just because of Injuries really big lost for cricket as Paul done great record work in 1999 world cup.

The worst happened with the new comers from India, their career ended before getting started. I still feel players were punished very harshly. They only went for the money and they got destroyed for it completely.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 12, 2020, 04:35:48 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on June 12, 2020, 12:10:45 PM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 12, 2020, 08:47:22 AM

Players can forget their salaries as the parent company of Zee Entertainment LTD might go bankrupt. I think earlier those who were heading BCCI were not big risk takers but things have changed a lot with the new President.

Hmm.. I remember what happened with the ICL. The players received very harsh punishments from their respective boards. For example, Shane Bond was at his peak form, and this controversy destroyed his career. He did play a few matches in the IPL, but by then his career was largely over. And even after all this, the players never received their full salaries.

I might add his "Injuries part" as well. He was beautiful bowler but had a habit of getting injured from time to time. This was the major reason he never became regular in NZ squad, ICL did play its part in destroying his career, which i agree.

Ian Bishop Shane Bone and Paul Allot these three great bowlers we lost very quickly just because of Injuries really big lost for cricket as Paul done great record work in 1999 world cup.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 12, 2020, 12:10:45 PM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 12, 2020, 08:47:22 AM

Players can forget their salaries as the parent company of Zee Entertainment LTD might go bankrupt. I think earlier those who were heading BCCI were not big risk takers but things have changed a lot with the new President.

Hmm.. I remember what happened with the ICL. The players received very harsh punishments from their respective boards. For example, Shane Bond was at his peak form, and this controversy destroyed his career. He did play a few matches in the IPL, but by then his career was largely over. And even after all this, the players never received their full salaries.

I might add his "Injuries part" as well. He was beautiful bowler but had a habit of getting injured from time to time. This was the major reason he never became regular in NZ squad, ICL did play its part in destroying his career, which i agree.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 12, 2020, 08:47:22 AM

Players can forget their salaries as the parent company of Zee Entertainment LTD might go bankrupt. I think earlier those who were heading BCCI were not big risk takers but things have changed a lot with the new President.

Hmm.. I remember what happened with the ICL. The players received very harsh punishments from their respective boards. For example, Shane Bond was at his peak form, and this controversy destroyed his career. He did play a few matches in the IPL, but by then his career was largely over. And even after all this, the players never received their full salaries.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 12, 2020, 07:51:28 AM

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ICL was the reason BCCI started IPL after destroying it. Many good players were there and most of them got banned by BCCI.

Found this match on Youtube [CL Final Lahore Badshahs vs Hyderabad Heros 2008 ] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_wkrMPWNmU

Historically, BCCI has opposed new innovations in cricket, such as T20, franchise leagues and DRS. I don't know the real reason for this. Perhaps they want to stick to the traditional way of playing and were happy with the test and ODI formats. ICL players were left high and dry after the BCCI banned them. ICL was owned by the Zee Entertainment Enterprises, and they refused to pay salaries for most of the players after the league folded up. 12 years have passed and till date the dues are still outstanding.

Players can forget their salaries as the parent company of Zee Entertainment LTD might go bankrupt. I think earlier those who were heading BCCI were not big risk takers but things have changed a lot with the new President.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 12, 2020, 06:04:54 AM

ICL was the reason BCCI started IPL after destroying it. Many good players were there and most of them got banned by BCCI.

Found this match on Youtube [CL Final Lahore Badshahs vs Hyderabad Heros 2008 ] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_wkrMPWNmU

Historically, BCCI has opposed new innovations in cricket, such as T20, franchise leagues and DRS. I don't know the real reason for this. Perhaps they want to stick to the traditional way of playing and were happy with the test and ODI formats. ICL players were left high and dry after the BCCI banned them. ICL was owned by the Zee Entertainment Enterprises, and they refused to pay salaries for most of the players after the league folded up. 12 years have passed and till date the dues are still outstanding.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on June 10, 2020, 04:53:38 PM

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Or may be entry in the Olympic is the key? There is a good chance if it get accepted in Olympics then fair amount of European or south american countries would show some interest, followed by North. then may be we can expect more money pumping into the game.

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Then we all know that the IPL started shutting the ICL which was another private company coming up with a tournament signing big players and BCCI and ICC banned several players who were signed to them and forced them to close their doors and then IPL started and followed everything what ICL did with cheer leaders and all those fancy things and this is recent history.

For global acceptance you need to see some kind of similar innovation from private players and for that ICC need to allow to accept them which is not going to happen.

This other tournament had kapil dev backing right? i remember reading something about it.

ECB trying "The 100 Balls" tournament which got delayed due to pandemic. It would be nice addition in the game of cricket as 4th format if spectators gives some positive response.

@JSRAW I had to use google to remind myself what ICL was, and it’s really sad that back then they didn’t take BCCI permission to start their operations otherwise the league wouldn’t have got banned. Furthermore the 100 ball tournament is not a bad idea, and after reading the tournament rules on Wikipedia, I’m pretty sure that it’ll be a hit among the fans if they decide to implement it in the official ICC formats.

Sources:

https://www.indiatoday.in/cricket/story/bcci-lifts-ban-on-kapil-dev-after-he-snaps-ties-with-icl-111018-2012-07-25

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/nov/19/indian-cricket-league-ban-action

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100-ball_cricket

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/icl-challenges-specific-bcci-rules/story-6O2UxxXXSfbrwn24T1cSXP.html

ICL was the reason BCCI started IPL after destroying it. Many good players were there and most of them got banned by BCCI.

Found this match on Youtube [CL Final Lahore Badshahs vs Hyderabad Heros 2008 ] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_wkrMPWNmU

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Quote from: eaLiTy on June 10, 2020, 04:53:38 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on June 10, 2020, 04:53:38 PM

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Or may be entry in the Olympic is the key? There is a good chance if it get accepted in Olympics then fair amount of European or south american countries would show some interest, followed by North. then may be we can expect more money pumping into the game.

~Edited out~

Then we all know that the IPL started shutting the ICL which was another private company coming up with a tournament signing big players and BCCI and ICC banned several players who were signed to them and forced them to close their doors and then IPL started and followed everything what ICL did with cheer leaders and all those fancy things and this is recent history.

For global acceptance you need to see some kind of similar innovation from private players and for that ICC need to allow to accept them which is not going to happen.

This other tournament had kapil dev backing right? i remember reading something about it.

ECB trying "The 100 Balls" tournament which got delayed due to pandemic. It would be nice addition in the game of cricket as 4th format if spectators gives some positive response.

@JSRAW I had to use google to remind myself what ICL was, and it’s really sad that back then they didn’t take BCCI permission to start their operations otherwise the league wouldn’t have got banned. Furthermore the 100 ball tournament is not a bad idea, and after reading the tournament rules on Wikipedia, I’m pretty sure that it’ll be a hit among the fans if they decide to implement it in the official ICC formats.

Sources:

https://www.indiatoday.in/cricket/story/bcci-lifts-ban-on-kapil-dev-after-he-snaps-ties-with-icl-111018-2012-07-25

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/nov/19/indian-cricket-league-ban-action

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100-ball_cricket

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/icl-challenges-specific-bcci-rules/story-6O2UxxXXSfbrwn24T1cSXP.html

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Quote from: Indymoney on June 11, 2020, 05:42:27 AM

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Or may be entry in the Olympic is the key? There is a good chance if it get accepted in Olympics then fair amount of European or south american countries would show some interest, followed by North. then may be we can expect more money pumping into the game.

~Edited out~

Then we all know that the IPL started shutting the ICL which was another private company coming up with a tournament signing big players and BCCI and ICC banned several players who were signed to them and forced them to close their doors and then IPL started and followed everything what ICL did with cheer leaders and all those fancy things and this is recent history.

For global acceptance you need to see some kind of similar innovation from private players and for that ICC need to allow to accept them which is not going to happen.

This other tournament had kapil dev backing right? i remember reading something about it.

ECB trying "The 100 Balls" tournament which got delayed due to pandemic. It would be nice addition in the game of cricket as 4th format if spectators gives some positive response.

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The big problem is still many big teams not love to play in these games and just because of this they select second or third rated players if now ICC wants to be in Olympics then surely they need to be some strict conditions hopefully 20/twenty or 10/ten league can create some some big difference and we can have some big community here as well.

Obviously you can't expect the boards to send their best players, if cricket features in multi-sport events such as Olympics and Commonwealth Games. Also, there may be player restrictions as well. For example, there are restrictions that are applicable to team selection for football in Olympics. As per the rules, only 3 players are allowed who are above the age of 23. The remaining members of the squad must be below 23 years of age.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 08, 2020, 01:14:17 PM

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I was in school at that time (1998), but as far as I know, many of the matches were competitive. Obviously there were one-sided matches, but you will get them even when full member nations are playing. And test nations do have an advantage over the minnows as far as the 50-over format is considered. The shorter format (T20) may give the associate nations a bit more advantage.

I have seen the scoreboard of some matches and it does not look like competitive, Pakistan Bangladesh India were struggling against minnows according to the scoreboard.

Here is the entire scoreboard of the tournament and having a look at that which matches were competitive. Even the final between Australia and South Africa was a low scoring match and there were many scores below 100 in ODI which is not common even during that period.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/460200.html

T20 will give them an advantage against teams but if they allow in the Olympics they should not allow the full strength team against minnows and they need to have some restrictions.

The big problem is still many big teams not love to play in these games and just because of this they select second or third rated players if now ICC wants to be in Olympics then surely they need to be some strict conditions hopefully 20/twenty or 10/ten league can create some some big difference and we can have some big community here as well.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 08, 2020, 01:14:17 PM

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I was in school at that time (1998), but as far as I know, many of the matches were competitive. Obviously there were one-sided matches, but you will get them even when full member nations are playing. And test nations do have an advantage over the minnows as far as the 50-over format is considered. The shorter format (T20) may give the associate nations a bit more advantage.

I have seen the scoreboard of some matches and it does not look like competitive, Pakistan Bangladesh India were struggling against minnows according to the scoreboard.

Here is the entire scoreboard of the tournament and having a look at that which matches were competitive. Even the final between Australia and South Africa was a low scoring match and there were many scores below 100 in ODI which is not common even during that period.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/460200.html

T20 will give them an advantage against teams but if they allow in the Olympics they should not allow the full strength team against minnows and they need to have some restrictions.

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