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Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]
June 10, 2020, 06:08:09 PM
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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 08, 2020, 01:14:17 PM
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I was in school at that time (1998), but as far as I know, many of the matches were competitive. Obviously there were one-sided matches, but you will get them even when full member nations are playing. And test nations do have an advantage over the minnows as far as the 50-over format is considered. The shorter format (T20) may give the associate nations a bit more advantage.
I have seen the scoreboard of some matches and it does not look like competitive, Pakistan Bangladesh India were struggling against minnows according to the scoreboard.

Here is the entire scoreboard of the tournament and having a look at that which matches were competitive. Even the final between Australia and South Africa was a low scoring match and there were many scores below 100 in ODI which is not common even during that period.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/460200.html

T20 will give them an advantage against teams but if they allow in the Olympics they should not allow the full strength team against minnows and they need to have some restrictions.
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June 10, 2020, 04:53:38 PM
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Quote from: JSRAW on June 07, 2020, 03:57:06 AM
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Or may be entry in the Olympic is the key? There is a good chance if it get accepted in Olympics then fair amount of European or south american countries would show some interest, followed by North. then may be we can expect more money pumping into the game.
If you look at history you will understand how cricket got interesting and commercial interest took place, cricket players were having really low wages in the early days and then Kerry Packer started a private tournament World Series Cricket and started signing big players and they gave importance to ODI and they started the day night matches we have now and then we had the ODI boom and day night matches by the ICC, the ICC played their game to shut them.

Then we all know that the IPL started shutting the ICL which was another private company coming up with a tournament signing big players and BCCI and ICC banned several players who were signed to them and forced them to close their doors and then IPL started and followed everything what ICL did with cheer leaders and all those fancy things and this is recent history.

For global acceptance you need to see some kind of similar innovation from private players and for that ICC need to allow to accept them which is not going to happen.
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Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]
June 08, 2020, 01:14:17 PM
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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 07, 2020, 12:03:52 PM
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CGF included cricket during the 1998 Commonwealth Games (50 over ODI format). The ICC threatened both the federations with non-cooperation, and the CGF decided not to include cricket after the 1998 edition. However, the AGF was more adamant and they are continuing to include cricket (it will be played during the 2022 Asian games also).
I wonder how that went, i just checked the scorecard and majority of the matches were terrible and people from the Caribbean was not playing as a team but representing their respective countries and i do not think that would be great either for the West Indies cricket board and then the big teams like Australia and South Africa facing the small teams were brutal seeing the scoreboard and no wonder it is not involved in Olympics.

I was in school at that time (1998), but as far as I know, many of the matches were competitive. Obviously there were one-sided matches, but you will get them even when full member nations are playing. And test nations do have an advantage over the minnows as far as the 50-over format is considered. The shorter format (T20) may give the associate nations a bit more advantage.
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Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]
June 08, 2020, 12:23:11 PM
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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 07, 2020, 12:03:52 PM
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CGF included cricket during the 1998 Commonwealth Games (50 over ODI format). The ICC threatened both the federations with non-cooperation, and the CGF decided not to include cricket after the 1998 edition. However, the AGF was more adamant and they are continuing to include cricket (it will be played during the 2022 Asian games also).
I wonder how that went, i just checked the scorecard and majority of the matches were terrible and people from the Caribbean was not playing as a team but representing their respective countries and i do not think that would be great either for the West Indies cricket board and then the big teams like Australia and South Africa facing the small teams were brutal seeing the scoreboard and no wonder it is not involved in Olympics.

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 07, 2020, 09:07:59 PM
What about Test-Cricket? it takes 5 days. but it is good enough about T20 match, it takes more than 3 hours to play a T-20 match. IMO ifst l T-10 match can be started and the ICC board wants, then we may expect the Olympic committee to include cricket in the Olympic very soon.
There is no way Test and ODI would have made it to the Olympics but i do not mind seeing T20 cricket but T10 is a bit too short to enjoy, it will be just like Baseball.
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Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]
June 07, 2020, 09:07:59 PM
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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on June 07, 2020, 11:36:53 AM
Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 07, 2020, 07:28:32 AM
As JSRAW pointed out, many of the countries differentiate between an Olympic sport and a non-Olympic sport. That's why many of the sports bodies (such as FIFA and FIBA) made a lot of effort to get their respective sports included in Olympic games. But the case with cricket is just the opposite. Since the last two decades, there have been delaying tactics from the ICC to deny any discussion on this subject.
Is it even possible to think about cricket playing in the Olympics two decades ago, the Olympic committee will not even approve a one day format to be played. The only hope for cricket fans to see cricket is because we now have T20 matches and it is not a couple of decades old. There is a delay from the ICC for submitting their application to be in the Olympics and it might be because they are not going to benefit in the short term financially and i do not think they are willing to do anything in the near future until there are some major changes in ICC board.

Actually, the point is, most of the Olympic Games are short-lived, but cricket is a long-term game. Look at the ODI, it takes a full day to play ODIs. What about Test-Cricket? it takes 5 days. but it is good enough about T20 match, it takes more than 3 hours to play a T-20 match. IMO if T-10 match can be started and the ICC board wants, then we may expect the Olympic committee to include cricket in the Olympic very soon.
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June 07, 2020, 12:03:52 PM
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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on June 07, 2020, 11:36:53 AM
Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 07, 2020, 07:28:32 AM
As JSRAW pointed out, many of the countries differentiate between an Olympic sport and a non-Olympic sport. That's why many of the sports bodies (such as FIFA and FIBA) made a lot of effort to get their respective sports included in Olympic games. But the case with cricket is just the opposite. Since the last two decades, there have been delaying tactics from the ICC to deny any discussion on this subject.
Is it even possible to think about cricket playing in the Olympics two decades ago, the Olympic committee will not even approve a one day format to be played. The only hope for cricket fans to see cricket is because we now have T20 matches and it is not a couple of decades old.

There is a delay from the ICC for submitting their application to be in the Olympics and it might be because they are not going to benefit in the short term financially and i do not think they are willing to do anything in the near future until there are some major changes in ICC board.

Discussion was going on from late 90s onward. The ICC was reluctant, so the discussion never progressed. The International Olympic Committee respected the decision from ICC and never proceeded with the plans to include the sport. However, both the Commonwealth Games Federation (CGF) and the Asian Games Federation (AGF) ignored the opposition from the ICC and went ahead with the inclusion of cricket in both the Commonwealth Games and the Asian Games.

CGF included cricket during the 1998 Commonwealth Games (50 over ODI format). The ICC threatened both the federations with non-cooperation, and the CGF decided not to include cricket after the 1998 edition. However, the AGF was more adamant and they are continuing to include cricket (it will be played during the 2022 Asian games also).
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Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]
June 07, 2020, 11:36:53 AM
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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 07, 2020, 07:28:32 AM
As JSRAW pointed out, many of the countries differentiate between an Olympic sport and a non-Olympic sport. That's why many of the sports bodies (such as FIFA and FIBA) made a lot of effort to get their respective sports included in Olympic games. But the case with cricket is just the opposite. Since the last two decades, there have been delaying tactics from the ICC to deny any discussion on this subject.
Is it even possible to think about cricket playing in the Olympics two decades ago, the Olympic committee will not even approve a one day format to be played. The only hope for cricket fans to see cricket is because we now have T20 matches and it is not a couple of decades old.

There is a delay from the ICC for submitting their application to be in the Olympics and it might be because they are not going to benefit in the short term financially and i do not think they are willing to do anything in the near future until there are some major changes in ICC board.
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June 07, 2020, 07:28:32 AM
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Quote from: JohnBitCo on June 07, 2020, 03:00:05 AM
Baseball is very different from cricket and there is no comparison between two games. I am sometimes surprise to know that USA participates in almost all games but why they never try cricket ? Or maybe they ignore it purposely ?

As JSRAW pointed out, many of the countries differentiate between an Olympic sport and a non-Olympic sport. That's why many of the sports bodies (such as FIFA and FIBA) made a lot of effort to get their respective sports included in Olympic games. But the case with cricket is just the opposite. Since the last two decades, there have been delaying tactics from the ICC to deny any discussion on this subject.

Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 07, 2020, 04:16:37 AM
Will it be in the next Olympics?

If cricket gets added then there will be a lot of new countries that will start playing it. The only format that can be used will be T20 or T10.  I found T10 more exciting than T20.

No. It won't be.

The organizers for the 2024 Olympics (Paris) were very keen on getting cricket included as one of the sports. Normally the governing body of a particular sports have to apply for inclusion in Olympics. But in this case, the organizers actually asked the ICC (in 2016) whether they would be interested in including cricket for the 2024 edition. The ICC never cared to respond, and the time window closed sometime in 2017. Rather than an outright "no", the ICC has been resorting to various delaying tactics.
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Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]
June 07, 2020, 04:16:37 AM
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Quote from: JSRAW on June 07, 2020, 03:57:06 AM
Quote from: eaLiTy on June 06, 2020, 04:07:02 PM
Quote from: JSRAW on June 06, 2020, 12:16:34 AM
^ That's why i am highlighting the "more exposure" issue. Sure ICC doing everything in their capabilities but clearly its not enough and lack of exposure and popularity of the game reflects on cricketer's compensation packages as well.
For that to happen cricket needs to be more welcoming club matches, the biggest payment for cricket players comes from IPL and they have restrictions for the maximum amount of money they can spent, football players earn a much bigger pay because of club football and there is no limitation on the amount of money they can spent for every team like they have in the IPL and those players are not earning anywhere near from international matches.

Top sports earning comes from individual sports like Boxing, Tennis and then Football players rule the financial charts.

Or may be entry in the Olympic is the key? There is a good chance if it get accepted in Olympics then fair amount of European or south american countries would show some interest, followed by North. then may be we can expect more money pumping into the game.

Will it be in the next Olympics?

If cricket gets added then there will be a lot of new countries that will start playing it. The only format that can be used will be T20 or T10.  I found T10 more exciting than T20.
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June 07, 2020, 03:57:06 AM
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Quote from: eaLiTy on June 06, 2020, 04:07:02 PM
Quote from: JSRAW on June 06, 2020, 12:16:34 AM
^ That's why i am highlighting the "more exposure" issue. Sure ICC doing everything in their capabilities but clearly its not enough and lack of exposure and popularity of the game reflects on cricketer's compensation packages as well.
For that to happen cricket needs to be more welcoming club matches, the biggest payment for cricket players comes from IPL and they have restrictions for the maximum amount of money they can spent, football players earn a much bigger pay because of club football and there is no limitation on the amount of money they can spent for every team like they have in the IPL and those players are not earning anywhere near from international matches.

Top sports earning comes from individual sports like Boxing, Tennis and then Football players rule the financial charts.

Or may be entry in the Olympic is the key? There is a good chance if it get accepted in Olympics then fair amount of European or south american countries would show some interest, followed by North. then may be we can expect more money pumping into the game.
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Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]
June 07, 2020, 03:00:05 AM
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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 05, 2020, 08:08:01 AM
Quote from: JSRAW on June 04, 2020, 04:54:47 PM
^^ Sad to see only one cricketer made into this list. IMHO It shows that where cricket stands in comparison of other sports and clearly begging for more exposure in other parts of the world too, not just Subcontinent.

United States happens to be the no.1 market for sports, and the natives there are simply not interested in cricket. They have their own sport (baseball) which is very similar to cricket, and therefore it is not very surprising. The ICC has poured in a lot of money in to that market, hoping that cricket will take off. But that strategy failed, because they were concentrating only on the expats (Asian and West Indian).

Baseball is very different from cricket and there is no comparison between two games. I am sometimes surprise to know that USA participates in almost all games but why they never try cricket ? Or maybe they ignore it purposely ?
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Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]
June 07, 2020, 01:56:39 AM
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Quote from: JSRAW on June 04, 2020, 04:54:47 PM
^^ Sad to see only one cricketer made into this list. IMHO It shows that where cricket stands in comparison of other sports and clearly begging for more exposure in other parts of the world too, not just Subcontinent.

Most of them in that list are either footballer, tennis player and golf player. Virat Kohli is the only one ranked in that list of top 100. Cricket needs a lot of exposure and more first world countries need to participate.
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Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]
June 06, 2020, 04:07:02 PM
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Quote from: JSRAW on June 06, 2020, 12:16:34 AM
^ That's why i am highlighting the "more exposure" issue. Sure ICC doing everything in their capabilities but clearly its not enough and lack of exposure and popularity of the game reflects on cricketer's compensation packages as well.
For that to happen cricket needs to be more welcoming club matches, the biggest payment for cricket players comes from IPL and they have restrictions for the maximum amount of money they can spent, football players earn a much bigger pay because of club football and there is no limitation on the amount of money they can spent for every team like they have in the IPL and those players are not earning anywhere near from international matches.

Top sports earning comes from individual sports like Boxing, Tennis and then Football players rule the financial charts.
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Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]
June 06, 2020, 06:32:51 AM
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Quote from: JSRAW on June 06, 2020, 12:16:34 AM
^ That's why i am highlighting the "more exposure" issue. Sure ICC doing everything in their capabilities but clearly its not enough and lack of exposure and popularity of the game reflects on cricketer's compensation packages as well.
This is not easy job for ICC and members as now we are facing some big troubles like Covid-19 and other sports authorties also using their own sack for exposure which is more helpful for them in many countries specially in Africa and Latin America Where cricket is nothing.
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June 06, 2020, 12:16:34 AM
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^ That's why i am highlighting the "more exposure" issue. Sure ICC doing everything in their capabilities but clearly its not enough and lack of exposure and popularity of the game reflects on cricketer's compensation packages as well.
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June 05, 2020, 04:01:11 PM
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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 04, 2020, 02:31:19 PM
Well. You have a point there. Gambling is banned in China, but it is allowed in Macau. So the Chinese gamblers travel to Macau and gamble there. This prevents valuable tax revenue from getting lost to other countries. On top of that, additional jobs will be created. But doing something like this is impossible in India. Here there is so much bad blood between the political parties and the opposition will burn down half the country, if any such measure is proposed.
There is legal gambling in India like Goa where i visited an yacht where gambling takes places and it was legal and that was my first casino experience to see what is going on and it is completely crazy just like Macau and there are many places where illegal casinos are functioning with the help of politicians and police and that is not the situation in India alone but some Asian countries too. It is the same like the legal dance bars in Maharashtra was closed and then the dance bars were run by political affiliated people.

Quote from: JSRAW on June 04, 2020, 04:54:47 PM
^^ Sad to see only one cricketer made into this list. IMHO It shows that where cricket stands in comparison of other sports and clearly begging for more exposure in other parts of the world too, not just Subcontinent.
The issue here is that you cannot compare the earning power of Tennis Golf Football to cricket. Majority of these players in the top earning list have endorsements from different corporate companies and that can be achieved if you are under a good manager who can put together good endorsement deals and the popularity in different countries.
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June 05, 2020, 01:58:52 PM
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Quote from: andyBernard on June 05, 2020, 10:49:04 AM
Quote from: Haunebu on June 05, 2020, 02:47:15 AM
Quote from: JSRAW on June 04, 2020, 04:54:47 PM
^^ Sad to see only one cricketer made into this list. IMHO It shows that where cricket stands in comparison of other sports and clearly begging for more exposure in other parts of the world too, not just Subcontinent.
This has been the case almost always and will probably stay this way in the future. Very few Cricketers tend to end up in these lists since their payments are usually in currencies like INR etc which pale in comparison to USD, Pounds etc.

First world currencies will always Trump 3rd world currencies any day. Sports starts in 1st world countries can live comfortably in 3rd world countries with probably an year worth of earnings.

I think it says more for the ludacris salaries they get in the NBA, NFL etc. I mean a average NBA player like Matthew Dellavedova gets paid $10 million USD a year, pretty hard to compete with that lol.

We cannot compare the salaries and pay which people in the West get with the salaries for the Asian people. But still the Asain cricketers get very good salaries and benefits, after all they are playing for the nation and they have a good pay structure.
In cricket only Indians have some good benefits mostly they are in richest players list no other cricketer have luxury like this to be stand because most of cricketing nations have no resources like USA or Erurope so I feel there is no comparison in any way with them.
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June 05, 2020, 12:26:50 PM
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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 05, 2020, 08:08:01 AM
Quote from: JSRAW on June 04, 2020, 04:54:47 PM
^^ Sad to see only one cricketer made into this list. IMHO It shows that where cricket stands in comparison of other sports and clearly begging for more exposure in other parts of the world too, not just Subcontinent.

United States happens to be the no.1 market for sports, and the natives there are simply not interested in cricket. They have their own sport (baseball) which is very similar to cricket, and therefore it is not very surprising. The ICC has poured in a lot of money in to that market, hoping that cricket will take off. But that strategy failed, because they were concentrating only on the expats (Asian and West Indian).

Quote from: FIFA worldcup on June 05, 2020, 11:28:15 AM
Quote from: andyBernard on June 05, 2020, 10:49:04 AM
Quote from: Haunebu on June 05, 2020, 02:47:15 AM
Quote from: JSRAW on June 04, 2020, 04:54:47 PM
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This has been the case almost always and will probably stay this way in the future. Very few Cricketers tend to end up in these lists since their payments are usually in currencies like INR etc which pale in comparison to USD, Pounds etc.

First world currencies will always Trump 3rd world currencies any day. Sports starts in 1st world countries can live comfortably in 3rd world countries with probably an year worth of earnings.

I think it says more for the ludacris salaries they get in the NBA, NFL etc. I mean a average NBA player like Matthew Dellavedova gets paid $10 million USD a year, pretty hard to compete with that lol.

We cannot compare the salaries and pay which people in the West get with the salaries for the Asian people. But still the Asain cricketers get very good salaries and benefits, after all they are playing for the nation and they have a good pay structure.

I’m not sure why you’ll are comparing Asian cricket stars with other sport stars, as each sports person is different and they get paid according to the sport that they’re playing, hence their earnings should not be compared.

Lastly Indian cricket fans often consider their cricket stars to be gods, and no others sports player gets this kind of comparison from their fans, therefore just comparing their earnings and then judging if the sport is good or no doesn’t make any sense to me.

Sources:

https://www.crictracker.com/19-things-which-prove-indian-fans-worship-cricket/

https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/indian-cricket-fans-are-convinced-sachin-tendulkar-runs-popular-god-account-on-twitter-2171541.html
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Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]
June 05, 2020, 11:28:15 AM
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Quote from: andyBernard on June 05, 2020, 10:49:04 AM
Quote from: Haunebu on June 05, 2020, 02:47:15 AM
Quote from: JSRAW on June 04, 2020, 04:54:47 PM
^^ Sad to see only one cricketer made into this list. IMHO It shows that where cricket stands in comparison of other sports and clearly begging for more exposure in other parts of the world too, not just Subcontinent.
This has been the case almost always and will probably stay this way in the future. Very few Cricketers tend to end up in these lists since their payments are usually in currencies like INR etc which pale in comparison to USD, Pounds etc.

First world currencies will always Trump 3rd world currencies any day. Sports starts in 1st world countries can live comfortably in 3rd world countries with probably an year worth of earnings.

I think it says more for the ludacris salaries they get in the NBA, NFL etc. I mean a average NBA player like Matthew Dellavedova gets paid $10 million USD a year, pretty hard to compete with that lol.

We cannot compare the salaries and pay which people in the West get with the salaries for the Asian people. But still the Asain cricketers get very good salaries and benefits, after all they are playing for the nation and they have a good pay structure.
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June 05, 2020, 10:49:04 AM
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Quote from: Haunebu on June 05, 2020, 02:47:15 AM
Quote from: JSRAW on June 04, 2020, 04:54:47 PM
^^ Sad to see only one cricketer made into this list. IMHO It shows that where cricket stands in comparison of other sports and clearly begging for more exposure in other parts of the world too, not just Subcontinent.
This has been the case almost always and will probably stay this way in the future. Very few Cricketers tend to end up in these lists since their payments are usually in currencies like INR etc which pale in comparison to USD, Pounds etc.

First world currencies will always Trump 3rd world currencies any day. Sports starts in 1st world countries can live comfortably in 3rd world countries with probably an year worth of earnings.

I think it says more for the ludacris salaries they get in the NBA, NFL etc. I mean a average NBA player like Matthew Dellavedova gets paid $10 million USD a year, pretty hard to compete with that lol.
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