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It is impossible for Kohli to control aggression, if middle order fails then you should have a some one who can take control of the the game at lower order, unfortunately India has been facing that problem for a long time now.

I am impressed with the aggressive approach of Kohli in the T20 as he was not the best T20 captain as we have seen him struggle during IPL but in this series against New Zealand he was able to dominate and win close matches but in the ODI he was not able to continue that success and it is because India is not playing many ODI in recent months and if they find the grove they will start performing well.

Now playing in all three formats with same captain is also not good idea BCCI need to think about this and give some relief as bring Sharma is replacement for any one format ODI or Twenty/20 because this could be good for Kohli if they want to stay with him for long time because he is also human not machine suddenly change of fortune is not new but still time to consider few things.

I do not think captaincy is a issue here. Kohli is capable of captaining in all the tree formats, it is the newbie in the team that are not consistent enough. People do not get chance to play for India and those who get do not value it.

Highly rated Prithvi Shaw is a big failure in one day format, he might be good to play for the test.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 08, 2020, 09:06:06 AM

It is impossible for Kohli to control aggression, if middle order fails then you should have a some one who can take control of the the game at lower order, unfortunately India has been facing that problem for a long time now.

I am impressed with the aggressive approach of Kohli in the T20 as he was not the best T20 captain as we have seen him struggle during IPL but in this series against New Zealand he was able to dominate and win close matches but in the ODI he was not able to continue that success and it is because India is not playing many ODI in recent months and if they find the grove they will start performing well.

Now playing in all three formats with same captain is also not good idea BCCI need to think about this and give some relief as bring Sharma is replacement for any one format ODI or Twenty/20 because this could be good for Kohli if they want to stay with him for long time because he is also human not machine suddenly change of fortune is not new but still time to consider few things.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 08, 2020, 09:06:06 AM

It is impossible for Kohli to control aggression, if middle order fails then you should have a some one who can take control of the the game at lower order, unfortunately India has been facing that problem for a long time now.

I am impressed with the aggressive approach of Kohli in the T20 as he was not the best T20 captain as we have seen him struggle during IPL but in this series against New Zealand he was able to dominate and win close matches but in the ODI he was not able to continue that success and it is because India is not playing many ODI in recent months and if they find the grove they will start performing well.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 08, 2020, 09:06:06 AM

It is impossible for Kohli to control aggression, if middle order fails then you should have a some one who can take control of the the game at lower order, unfortunately India has been facing that problem for a long time now.

He is leading the team so he should be more responsible than other players,off course he is naturally aggressive run scoring machine but when the team needs he also should adapt for that situation.Iyer and Rahul played rally well in t20i but now the format chances so they also should be careful while playing,more they hold wickets then they have better chance to chase down any totals.

I am agreeing with what you said but, controlling someone who is naturally aggressive would mean ending what he is known for and the reason for him to be the best.

I think it is good for the team as the captain is aggressive.

I didn't say he should play with his natural aggression on every game but he should evolve from being aggression and how to get control over the game while being in aggression if he like to play with same mind of mindset.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 08, 2020, 09:06:06 AM

It is impossible for Kohli to control aggression, if middle order fails then you should have a some one who can take control of the the game at lower order, unfortunately India has been facing that problem for a long time now.

He is leading the team so he should be more responsible than other players,off course he is naturally aggressive run scoring machine but when the team needs he also should adapt for that situation.Iyer and Rahul played rally well in t20i but now the format chances so they also should be careful while playing,more they hold wickets then they have better chance to chase down any totals.

I am agreeing with what you said but, controlling someone who is naturally aggressive would mean ending what he is known for and the reason for him to be the best.

I think it is good for the team as the captain is aggressive.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 08, 2020, 09:06:06 AM

It is impossible for Kohli to control aggression, if middle order fails then you should have a some one who can take control of the the game at lower order, unfortunately India has been facing that problem for a long time now.

He is leading the team so he should be more responsible than other players,off course he is naturally aggressive run scoring machine but when the team needs he also should adapt for that situation.Iyer and Rahul played rally well in t20i but now the format chances so they also should be careful while playing,more they hold wickets then they have better chance to chase down any totals.

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Quote from: erikalui on February 08, 2020, 09:47:11 AM

Happy that the loss was of 22 runs instead of 143 runs when Iyer got out. Jadeja proved to be the best batsmen and bowler today when the top order failed completely and still got the highest runs in the match (more than even Iyer) plus took 1 wicket. We are missing allrounders like Jadeja who are good with the bat and ball. Saini surprised me getting 45 runs with an SR of 91. So it's just not Rohit but the entire team that needs to rethink why they can't perform as a team.

A loss is a loss, irrespective of the winning margin. Jadeja batted well, but he was unable to guide India towards a victory. Even if they win the final match, the series is lost and this is going to have a serious impact on the ODI rankings. Right now India is at the second position, behind England (with 119 points). With these two defeats, the gap between England and India has widened.

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Happy that the loss was of 22 runs instead of 143 runs when Iyer got out. Jadeja proved to be the best batsmen and bowler today when the top order failed completely and still got the highest runs in the match (more than even Iyer) plus took 1 wicket. We are missing allrounders like Jadeja who are good with the bat and ball. Saini surprised me getting 45 runs with an SR of 91. So it's just not Rohit but the entire team that needs to rethink why they can't perform as a team.

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If this how India plans to play the ODI's then this series will be a whitewash. Good come back and brilliantly played by Newzealand. Today's match shows not only they are good in batting but they have very good bowlers.

This is pay back time for India, New Zealand is playing like ODI world champions even though they got completely dominated in the T20 and they should worry about the upcoming world cup with performance like these but it is great to see that New Zealand dominated India completely in the ODI series and it would be great if they white wash India as a revenge for their loss in T20.

Definitely India is more stronger team along with inform batsmen but India decided to try this series with newbie players to get some expereince but it doesn't go well as expected.Kohli need to control aggression and need to hold his wicket for other players to play well.

Saini and Jadeja played really well,am glad that I had chance to watch that match on television.Both team has weaker middle order batsmen which should be resolved sooner for better results in the future.

It is impossible for Kohli to control aggression, if middle order fails then you should have a some one who can take control of the the game at lower order, unfortunately India has been facing that problem for a long time now.

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Quote from: akhjob on February 08, 2020, 08:44:18 AM

Looks like its rainy season in South Africa, yesterday's games, ENG Vs SA and U19 match WI Vs AUS were also abandoned because of rain. Let's hope that tomorrow's Under 19 Worldcup finals don't get cancelled.

Rain's can came without any invitation or season in last few years we are facing some good rains because of this cricket so its not matter of worry now lets see what happen tomorrow because if this rain came again then surely India will lift the cup without any problem as they are unbeatable team and title holder so Bangladesh fans will be frustrated.

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If this how India plans to play the ODI's then this series will be a whitewash. Good come back and brilliantly played by Newzealand. Today's match shows not only they are good in batting but they have very good bowlers.

This is pay back time for India, New Zealand is playing like ODI world champions even though they got completely dominated in the T20 and they should worry about the upcoming world cup with performance like these but it is great to see that New Zealand dominated India completely in the ODI series and it would be great if they white wash India as a revenge for their loss in T20.

Definitely India is more stronger team along with inform batsmen but India decided to try this series with newbie players to get some expereince but it doesn't go well as expected.Kohli need to control aggression and need to hold his wicket for other players to play well.

Saini and Jadeja played really well,am glad that I had chance to watch that match on television.Both team has weaker middle order batsmen which should be resolved sooner for better results in the future.

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Looks like its rainy season in South Africa, yesterday's games, ENG Vs SA and U19 match WI Vs AUS were also abandoned because of rain. Let's hope that tomorrow's Under 19 Worldcup finals don't get cancelled.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 08, 2020, 04:28:54 AM

If this how India plans to play the ODI's then this series will be a whitewash. Good come back and brilliantly played by Newzealand. Today's match shows not only they are good in batting but they have very good bowlers.

This is pay back time for India, New Zealand is playing like ODI world champions even though they got completely dominated in the T20 and they should worry about the upcoming world cup with performance like these but it is great to see that New Zealand dominated India completely in the ODI series and it would be great if they white wash India as a revenge for their loss in T20.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on February 08, 2020, 06:46:30 AM

I just read from cricinfo that the match between NZ and Pakistan for the 3rd place in U19 cup is abandoned. But they have not mentioned any reason for this. Does anyone knows why that match was abandoned ?

Because of the weather conditions the match was abandoned.

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I was hoping to see Pakistan finishes 3rd in this world cup Huh

Even without the match, Pakistan finish third on the basis of more wins in the group matches, so you can feel happy about it.

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If this how India plans to play the ODI's then this series will be a whitewash. Good come back and brilliantly played by Newzealand. Today's match shows not only they are good in batting but they have very good bowlers.

^ Don't judge too early bruh. India might comeback hard in the third ODI. As far as this match is concerned, Indian middle order messed up big time. No doubt there. But it was really a thrilling match to watch at the end. When Saini was raining boundaries of Grandhomme, there was slight hope that India could win the match. But I think Jadeja should have stepped up and should have played the big shots instead waiting at the non-striker's end. But credits to NZ they won this match and the series. The newbie, Jamieson well deservingly got the MOM.

Indian team newbie Mayank Agarwal and Prithvi Shah are still struggling to get set in the batting order. Last ODI if these two guys are not able to perform then I doubt they will get another chance in the near future.

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I just read from cricinfo that the match between NZ and Pakistan for the 3rd place in U19 cup is abandoned. But they have not mentioned any reason for this. Does anyone knows why that match was abandoned ? I was hoping to see Pakistan finishes 3rd in this world cup Huh

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Match abandoned without a ball bowled

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 08, 2020, 04:28:54 AM

If this how India plans to play the ODI's then this series will be a whitewash. Good come back and brilliantly played by Newzealand. Today's match shows not only they are good in batting but they have very good bowlers.

^ Don't judge too early bruh. India might comeback hard in the third ODI. As far as this match is concerned, Indian middle order messed up big time. No doubt there. But it was really a thrilling match to watch at the end. When Saini was raining boundaries of Grandhomme, there was slight hope that India could win the match. But I think Jadeja should have stepped up and should have played the big shots instead waiting at the non-striker's end. But credits to NZ they won this match and the series. The newbie, Jamieson well deservingly got the MOM.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 08, 2020, 04:28:54 AM

If this how India plans to play the ODI's then this series will be a whitewash. Good come back and brilliantly played by Newzealand. Today's match shows not only they are good in batting but they have very good bowlers.

Kiwis are back in the business of winning the matches now. India middle order is responsible for today's loss else they would have won it and the way Iyer, Jadeja, Thakur, Saini played and made runs it showed that if you stay on the pitch runs were not that hard to come by. With this NZ won the series and would now try for a whitewash and take revenge of T20 series.

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Jadeja and Saini! Hats Off to these two. What a match. Had tons of fun watching these 2 bat all the way till the end though Saini over-estimated himself by going for such risky shots again and again which put more pressure on Jadeja.

NZ were pretty bad on the field missing tons of run-out opportunities though the fake-out to get Chahal out was impressive. Looks like my prediction about India recovering went down the drain, but I still think they will win the final ODI. Very entertaining match overall.

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If this how India plans to play the ODI's then this series will be a whitewash. Good come back and brilliantly played by Newzealand. Today's match shows not only they are good in batting but they have very good bowlers.

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