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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on November 15, 2019, 12:19:54 PM

I cannot call it the evolution of the game but it is good to see so many variation of the match and i think only in cricket you can find this much variation, Test matches, 4 day games, ODI, T20 and now T10 and none of the other sporting events have this kind of formats in a sport, the only thing missing here is mixed matches were ladies can play alongside men like we have in tennis mixed doubles Cheesy

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Nope. Mixed gender matches are not possible with cricket. If you want that, then there should be a rule that only women players would bowl against the women batsmen. Else they will get blown away by the raw pace of the male bowlers. Also, most of the women pacers have an average speed of around 110 kmph. That is almost the speed at which some of the male spinners bowl.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 15, 2019, 11:54:57 AM

Obviously if you want to observe proper batting and bowling techniques, then you should watch test cricket. The strategy with T20 is monotonous. The batsmen try to smash as many runs as possible and they don't care much about building the innings or even to take singles and twos. But if that is what the fans want, then the ICC should listen to them.

I cannot call it the evolution of the game but it is good to see so many variation of the match and i think only in cricket you can find this much variation, Test matches, 4 day games, ODI, T20 and now T10 and none of the other sporting events have this kind of formats in a sport, the only thing missing here is mixed matches were ladies can play alongside men like we have in tennis mixed doubles Cheesy

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 15, 2019, 10:47:44 AM

Ideally, the ICC should be having same set of rules for all the players from all the teams. He tampered the ball, and should have been handed over a minimum of one year suspension. On the other hand, his colleague (Dwayne Bravo) was trying to downplay the seriousness of the offense by saying that Pooran committed a silly mistake and should be forgiven. These sort of silly mistakes end up destroying the spirit of the game.

Match fixing and ball tampering should have harsh punishment because that could impact the game as well as the result of the match and millions are wagered in every match and that can cost you money and huge losses and that cannot be accepted, when Smith and Warner were suspended i thought it was harsh but the ground reality of considering everything that was appropriate but now when it comes to Pooran they are downplaying the event which is strange.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on November 15, 2019, 11:48:25 AM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 13, 2019, 01:05:43 PM

Nowadays cricket clubs mostly prefer the shorter version of the game, due to lack of time. However, Afghanistan do have a 4-day domestic tournament in which all the five regions take part. The domestic cricket is rapidly expanding there, thanks to the increased funding from the ICC (as per the latest revenue model, ACB will receive $5 million per year during 2017-23).

The shorter version of the game will not help in developing proper batsman for the longer version of the game and in the future we will not see legit batsman who are capable of batting for a longer period of time and even if the ICC promote these longer version it will not last longer if all the cricket boards emphasis on T20 as it is a cash cow and now we have T10, its funny how things changes rapidly in a short period.

Obviously if you want to observe proper batting and bowling techniques, then you should watch test cricket. The strategy with T20 is monotonous. The batsmen try to smash as many runs as possible and they don't care much about building the innings or even to take singles and twos. But if that is what the fans want, then the ICC should listen to them.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 13, 2019, 01:05:43 PM

Nowadays cricket clubs mostly prefer the shorter version of the game, due to lack of time. However, Afghanistan do have a 4-day domestic tournament in which all the five regions take part. The domestic cricket is rapidly expanding there, thanks to the increased funding from the ICC (as per the latest revenue model, ACB will receive $5 million per year during 2017-23).

The shorter version of the game will not help in developing proper batsman for the longer version of the game and in the future we will not see legit batsman who are capable of batting for a longer period of time and even if the ICC promote these longer version it will not last longer if all the cricket boards emphasis on T20 as it is a cash cow and now we have T10, its funny how things changes rapidly in a short period.

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Quote from: ene1980 on November 13, 2019, 03:09:28 PM

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No wonder they have some good players in the T20 format and they are able to beat some teams in the past and i hope the T20 would be more competitive than the ODI but West Indies also have a good team, waiting for their T20 series.

T20 starts tomorrow and West Indies have a set back as one of the players Pooran is banned for four T20Is for ball tampering in the last match. Afghanistan has much better team for T20 and i expect it to be more competitive than the ODI, Steve Smith and Warned was banned for ball tampering for a year if i am not mistaken and why such a lenient suspension for Pooran ?.

Ideally, the ICC should be having same set of rules for all the players from all the teams. He tampered the ball, and should have been handed over a minimum of one year suspension. On the other hand, his colleague (Dwayne Bravo) was trying to downplay the seriousness of the offense by saying that Pooran committed a silly mistake and should be forgiven. These sort of silly mistakes end up destroying the spirit of the game.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on November 13, 2019, 12:19:44 PM

If they are having 300 cricket clubs is it hard to find some good batsman among these players, they lack a good batsman in the team to perform consistently and i think all these clubs prefer T20 and hence they are good at the shorter format.

300 is still a very small number, when compared to the other countries. For example, in India you can find thousands of cricket clubs in any of the major cities, such as Delhi, Mumbai or Bangalore. Another thing is the quality. I am not sure about the quality of the game, including the pitches in which the matches are being played. As far as I know, there are only a handful of turf pitches in Afghanistan. However, many of these clubs travel to the neighboring Pakistan to take part in various competitions.

But earlier the Afghanistan team was more balanced. They had good pace bowlers such as Shapoor Zadran and Dawlat Zadran, and the opening duo of Mohammad Shahzad and Javed Ahmadi was skillful. Even in the spin department, they had more variety with the leg spin of Samiullah Shinwari. Now they are over-dependent on the spinners (Rashid Khan and Mujib ur Rahman) and in batting they are too much reliant on Mohammad Nabi and Asghar Afghan. And this has affected the team balance.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on November 13, 2019, 01:21:21 PM

No wonder they have some good players in the T20 format and they are able to beat some teams in the past and i hope the T20 would be more competitive than the ODI but West Indies also have a good team, waiting for their T20 series.

T20 starts tomorrow and West Indies have a set back as one of the players Pooran is banned for four T20Is for ball tampering in the last match. Afghanistan has much better team for T20 and i expect it to be more competitive than the ODI, Steve Smith and Warned was banned for ball tampering for a year if i am not mistaken and why such a lenient suspension for Pooran ?.

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Thank you for all the response, i was not aware of their cricketing structure as i know nothing about them as a country other than the negative news i hear about in the news.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 13, 2019, 01:05:43 PM

Nowadays cricket clubs mostly prefer the shorter version of the game, due to lack of time. However, Afghanistan do have a 4-day domestic tournament in which all the five regions take part. The domestic cricket is rapidly expanding there, thanks to the increased funding from the ICC (as per the latest revenue model, ACB will receive $5 million per year during 2017-23).

No wonder they have some good players in the T20 format and they are able to beat some teams in the past and i hope the T20 would be more competitive than the ODI but West Indies also have a good team, waiting for their T20 series.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on November 13, 2019, 12:19:44 PM

If they are having 300 cricket clubs is it hard to find some good batsman among these players, they lack a good batsman in the team to perform consistently and i think all these clubs prefer T20 and hence they are good at the shorter format.

Nowadays cricket clubs mostly prefer the shorter version of the game, due to lack of time. However, Afghanistan do have a 4-day domestic tournament in which all the five regions take part. The domestic cricket is rapidly expanding there, thanks to the increased funding from the ICC (as per the latest revenue model, ACB will receive $5 million per year during 2017-23).

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on November 12, 2019, 10:06:33 AM

since the tournaments are conducted in India i know it is still not safe in Afghanistan and hence asking these.

Afghanistan has stadiums but they are playing these international matches outside their home country because of security reasons, i was not aware if their cricket structure unless i see response from Vishnu.Reang.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 13, 2019, 11:12:24 AM

The domestic cricket structure in Afghanistan is quite strong. At the bottom tier, there are more than 300 cricket clubs, spread out all over the country. Apart from a few provinces, all the others take part in the Inter-Provincial Tournament. And similar to Duleep Trophy of India, they have an inter-regional tournament, in which five regions take part.

If they are having 300 cricket clubs is it hard to find some good batsman among these players, they lack a good batsman in the team to perform consistently and i think all these clubs prefer T20 and hence they are good at the shorter format.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on November 12, 2019, 10:06:33 AM

The doubt i have is whether Afghanistan have a domestic structure to recruit young talents all i know about Afghanistan was because of terrorism and a torn country for more than a decade and when they came up with a cricket team i was surprised about how they were able to come up with some real world class talents, since the tournaments are conducted in India i know it is still not safe in Afghanistan and hence asking these.

The domestic cricket structure in Afghanistan is quite strong. At the bottom tier, there are more than 300 cricket clubs, spread out all over the country. Apart from a few provinces, all the others take part in the Inter-Provincial Tournament. And similar to Duleep Trophy of India, they have an inter-regional tournament, in which five regions take part.

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Quote from: ene1980 on November 12, 2019, 12:21:34 PM

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It is the top order that is failing again and again. The middle order (especially Mohammad Nabi and Asghar Stanikzai) is doing quite good. Ever since Shahzad was thrown out of the team, the top order has been in a state of flux. They have been persisting with Zazai, Shah and Ahmadi for quite sometime, but these players haven't delivered yet.

Mohammad Shahzad is their best player and his absence is felt throughout the tournament and they do not have a big pool of players to select and if Afghanistan needs to play some competitive cricket they need to develop young talents and they need to sort out the issue with Mohammad Shahzad as he is the top run maker in T20 and ODI and their best opener to date, he is talented but lacks fitness and he is the bad boy in the team.

Shahzad was one of their best players, but not their best. I would rate both Mohammad Nabi and Asghar Afghan better than Shahzad. The advantage with Shahzad was that he used to smash the bowlers all around the park and was capable of giving an initial advantage. His replacement, Hazratullah Zazai has performed well in T20 franchise cricket, but he was unable to repeat the same in international cricket.

Afghanistan is a very populous country, and they have a big player pool. Right now they are sticking with a select few players for the top-order and this need to change. There are some young players emerging from the domestic leagues and it won't be a bad idea to give them an opportunity to play for the national team. And regarding Shahzad, I don't think that he'll ever play international cricket again.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 12, 2019, 02:34:05 AM

It is the top order that is failing again and again. The middle order (especially Mohammad Nabi and Asghar Stanikzai) is doing quite good. Ever since Shahzad was thrown out of the team, the top order has been in a state of flux. They have been persisting with Zazai, Shah and Ahmadi for quite sometime, but these players haven't delivered yet.

Mohammad Shahzad is their best player and his absence is felt throughout the tournament and they do not have a big pool of players to select and if Afghanistan needs to play some competitive cricket they need to develop young talents and they need to sort out the issue with Mohammad Shahzad as he is the top run maker in T20 and ODI and their best opener to date, he is talented but lacks fitness and he is the bad boy in the team.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 12, 2019, 02:34:05 AM

It is the top order that is failing again and again. The middle order (especially Mohammad Nabi and Asghar Stanikzai) is doing quite good. Ever since Shahzad was thrown out of the team, the top order has been in a state of flux. They have been persisting with Zazai, Shah and Ahmadi for quite sometime, but these players haven't delivered yet.

The doubt i have is whether Afghanistan have a domestic structure to recruit young talents all i know about Afghanistan was because of terrorism and a torn country for more than a decade and when they came up with a cricket team i was surprised about how they were able to come up with some real world class talents, since the tournaments are conducted in India i know it is still not safe in Afghanistan and hence asking these.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on November 12, 2019, 01:33:45 AM

If the team is able to put a good total then Afghanistan has the spinners to win a match, we are playing in T20 era where these six run per over is not a big task now and if the Afghanistan batsman is not putting runs on the board then it will be difficult to defend these small totals even with world class bowlers as the opposition batsman knows to play smartly without taking much risk, so if Afghanistan has to challenge any team they need to find good batsman who could play good innings.

It is the top order that is failing again and again. The middle order (especially Mohammad Nabi and Asghar Stanikzai) is doing quite good. Ever since Shahzad was thrown out of the team, the top order has been in a state of flux. They have been persisting with Zazai, Shah and Ahmadi for quite sometime, but these players haven't delivered yet.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 12, 2019, 12:21:52 AM

Afghanistan is not performing well these days. I guess the opposition batsmen have got used to their spinners (Rashid Khan and Mujeeb Ur Rahman) and their batting (at least the top order) is still not showing any signs of improvement. Players such as Hazratullah Zazai, Rahmat Shah, Ikram Alikhil and Javed Ahmadi were given enough chances, but still they can't repay the faith that the selectors had on them.

If the team is able to put a good total then Afghanistan has the spinners to win a match, we are playing in T20 era where these six run per over is not a big task now and if the Afghanistan batsman is not putting runs on the board then it will be difficult to defend these small totals even with world class bowlers as the opposition batsman knows to play smartly without taking much risk, so if Afghanistan has to challenge any team they need to find good batsman who could play good innings.

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Quote from: sureshnsnet on November 11, 2019, 10:13:01 AM

I thought that Afghanistan going win the match against west indies today because West Indies are loss the 2 wickets for 4 runs within 3overs but after that Shai hope take the match from Afghanistan I hope that he will be going to get is 7 ODI century today.

Afghanistan is not performing well these days. I guess the opposition batsmen have got used to their spinners (Rashid Khan and Mujeeb Ur Rahman) and their batting (at least the top order) is still not showing any signs of improvement. Players such as Hazratullah Zazai, Rahmat Shah, Ikram Alikhil and Javed Ahmadi were given enough chances, but still they can't repay the faith that the selectors had on them.

And one thing that I noticed from yesterday's match was that Afghanistan went with just one pace bowler (Naveen-ul-Haq). 41 out of the 50 overs were bowled by the spinners. You can't become so over-dependent on the spinners. It is still OK (although not preferable) within the subcontinent, but abroad you can't go with such a bowling attack.

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I missed the entire match, i was not expecting an upset from Afghanistan because of their dismal performance throughout the tournament but Asghar Afghan and Nabi played a wonderful knock to take the team to a respectable total but Hope played a patient innings and scored a century to take the team to victory even though they lost two quick wickets at the start of the innings.

I could not watch the match but always kept an eye on the scoreboard since I had a good amount placed for WI. Afghanistan were really doing well but it was Hope who basically kept his mind cool and won the match with his not out 109 runs.

Pooran, Pollard, King and Chase supported him very well till the end.

Now this new generation from West Indies is doing good and players like Pooran, Hope and Chase are really hard workers these can bring some good for this team but first of all Cricket board have to fix problems with players which are hurting them for some long time and just because of their policices many players are concentrating on leagues instead of National team.

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Quote from: onrise on November 11, 2019, 12:07:24 PM

Hope ensured that the WI hope do not die if he had got out early Afghan would have got the match in their side and even would have won it . WI is a good side if all the players play as a team could beat the good teams too .

Some of the players are playing in the South African T20 league at present and you can see the full strength team when they are playing any major tournament, if not they will be happy with a second string team to face a team like Afghanistan.

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on November 11, 2019, 12:36:11 PM

I could not watch the match but always kept an eye on the scoreboard since I had a good amount placed for WI. Afghanistan were really doing well but it was Hope who basically kept his mind cool and won the match with his not out 109 runs.
Pooran, Pollard, King and Chase supported him very well till the end.

Afghanistan need some good players who could bat for a longer period of time and that too with consistency and the entire series the Afghanistan players were struggling to put some runs on the board and the bowlers did their part but the batsman too perform if they need to win ODI matches, in T20 they might defeat the present West Indies team because they have power hitters and the bowlers are good enough to restrict a good total.

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