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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 13, 2020, 07:01:07 AM

Absolutely correct over confidence and substandard bowling were the main reason for India's humiliating defeat in the ODI. I am sure by now they know what went wrong and what they need to do for their test series. There will be too much pressure on Indian team to perform well in the up coming test series.

In the recent years, India has performed well in overseas pitches that supported pace bowling. But this was mostly due to the effort put in by seam bowlers such as Mohammad Shami and Ishant Sharma, as well as due to consistent performances with the bat by Virat Kohli. But the spinners and the other batsmen have not yet proved themselves in such conditions. And therefore, New Zealand has a real chance of upsetting India.

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Technically India is on the upper edge in test matches as compared to newzealand. India played it's last test match in Nov of 2019 against Bangladesh. Virat Kohli is the most successful test captain in India's cricket history and India is the highest ranking team in ICC test championship. But, you never know as anything can happen in Cricket.

New Zealand has nothing to lose. India is currently the number 1 test side and odds are heavily stacked against New Zealand. On top of that, many of their star players are not playing due to injury. But as we have seen during the ODI series, overconfidence from the part of the Indians can prove to be their disadvantage. And some of the newcomers are performing well for New Zealand, such as Kyle Jamieson.

Absolutely correct over confidence and substandard bowling were the main reason for India's humiliating defeat in the ODI. I am sure by now they know what went wrong and what they need to do for their test series. There will be too much pressure on Indian team to perform well in the up coming test series.

India vs New Zealand test match series won’t be a one sided contest as New Zealand has shown during the ODI series that they won’t be pushed around by team India, and hence I believe that they’ll make it very difficult for team India to win this series. Furthermore team India will be out for revenge as they have suffered a humiliating white wash in the ODI series, and therefore it’ll be interesting to see what kind of tactics will they deploy to beat New Zealand in their home.

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Quote from: RamBahadur.Gurung on February 13, 2020, 05:42:33 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 12, 2020, 11:40:16 PM

Technically India is on the upper edge in test matches as compared to newzealand. India played it's last test match in Nov of 2019 against Bangladesh. Virat Kohli is the most successful test captain in India's cricket history and India is the highest ranking team in ICC test championship. But, you never know as anything can happen in Cricket.

New Zealand has nothing to lose. India is currently the number 1 test side and odds are heavily stacked against New Zealand. On top of that, many of their star players are not playing due to injury. But as we have seen during the ODI series, overconfidence from the part of the Indians can prove to be their disadvantage. And some of the newcomers are performing well for New Zealand, such as Kyle Jamieson.

Absolutely correct over confidence and substandard bowling were the main reason for India's humiliating defeat in the ODI. I am sure by now they know what went wrong and what they need to do for their test series. There will be too much pressure on Indian team to perform well in the up coming test series.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 12, 2020, 11:40:16 PM

Technically India is on the upper edge in test matches as compared to newzealand. India played it's last test match in Nov of 2019 against Bangladesh. Virat Kohli is the most successful test captain in India's cricket history and India is the highest ranking team in ICC test championship. But, you never know as anything can happen in Cricket.

New Zealand has nothing to lose. India is currently the number 1 test side and odds are heavily stacked against New Zealand. On top of that, many of their star players are not playing due to injury. But as we have seen during the ODI series, overconfidence from the part of the Indians can prove to be their disadvantage. And some of the newcomers are performing well for New Zealand, such as Kyle Jamieson.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 12, 2020, 04:07:14 AM

This tells the complete story about Indian tour of New Zealand, Almost Grin

we can call it anything; experiment, injuries in both teams or any lame excuse (From Indian perspective) but the facts are simple and clear.

Technically India is on the upper edge in test matches as compared to newzealand. India played it's last test match in Nov of 2019 against Bangladesh. Virat Kohli is the most successful test captain in India's cricket history and India is the highest ranking team in ICC test championship. But, you never know as anything can happen in Cricket.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on February 12, 2020, 03:35:18 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 12, 2020, 04:07:14 AM

This tells the complete story about Indian tour of New Zealand, Almost Grin

we can call it anything; experiment, injuries in both teams or any lame excuse (From Indian perspective) but the facts are simple and clear.

The T20 was a clean white wash by India and New Zealand returned the favors and white washed the ODI tournament and i am not accepting the experimental route either. The meme perfectly summons the series till now Cheesy

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Quote from: onrise on February 12, 2020, 11:25:13 AM

It may be little on NZ side as pitch would be for fast bowlers and NZ are now back again in good form. NZ may whitewash the test series too .

Earlier India used to struggle in green pitches but now it is a different situation altogether as the Indian fast bowlers are world class that could trouble any batting line up in green tracks, so you cannot underestimate the Indian team like that and if the batsman can perform in those situation they will win the Test series. I personally consider Virat Kohli to be a much better captain in the Test format than in the shorter formats.

This test series not not going to be easy for any team as now India is performing very good in test matches even they are on green pitches but New Zealand is also good after winning ODI series they will feel more energetic for this series but still I am going with India as they have very good pace attach which can destroy any team on any track and batting is already edge for them if Kohli will in good touch.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 12, 2020, 04:07:14 AM

This tells the complete story about Indian tour of New Zealand, Almost Grin

we can call it anything; experiment, injuries in both teams or any lame excuse (From Indian perspective) but the facts are simple and clear.

The T20 was a clean white wash by India and New Zealand returned the favors and white washed the ODI tournament and i am not accepting the experimental route either. The meme perfectly summons the series till now Cheesy

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Quote from: onrise on February 12, 2020, 11:25:13 AM

It may be little on NZ side as pitch would be for fast bowlers and NZ are now back again in good form. NZ may whitewash the test series too .

Earlier India used to struggle in green pitches but now it is a different situation altogether as the Indian fast bowlers are world class that could trouble any batting line up in green tracks, so you cannot underestimate the Indian team like that and if the batsman can perform in those situation they will win the Test series. I personally consider Virat Kohli to be a much better captain in the Test format than in the shorter formats.

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Quote from: onrise on February 12, 2020, 11:25:13 AM

NZ are now back again in good form. NZ may whitewash the test series too .

I disagree. Their ODI form does not automatically imply that their test form is great in any way whatsoever. They played against an Indian team filled with newbies in the T-20 and ODI format while the test will consist of experienced players overall.

Also, India has been pretty awesome in tests in recent times(Can't remember when they last lost a test match) which is why I am expecting an Indian whitewash. NZ test team needs to perform in an extraordinary manner if they wish to beat the likes of India.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 12, 2020, 04:07:14 AM

This tells the complete story about Indian tour of New Zealand, Almost Grin

we can call it anything; experiment, injuries in both teams or any lame excuse (From Indian perspective) but the facts are simple and clear.

Do they really have the Test Match series planned next ?

If yes, this will be very interesting to watch.

Their are 2 test match planned . First test will begin on 21st Feb at Wellington. It is going to be an exciting series and I expect the results in both test matches . It may be little on NZ side as pitch would be for fast bowlers and NZ are now back again in good form. NZ may whitewash the test series too .

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 12, 2020, 04:07:14 AM

This tells the complete story about Indian tour of New Zealand, Almost Grin

we can call it anything; experiment, injuries in both teams or any lame excuse (From Indian perspective) but the facts are simple and clear.

Do they really have the Test Match series planned next ?

If yes, this will be very interesting to watch.

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This tells the complete story about Indian tour of New Zealand, Almost Grin

we can call it anything; experiment, injuries in both teams or any lame excuse (From Indian perspective) but the facts are simple and clear.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 11, 2020, 01:44:32 PM

Experiment looks bad when team lose the game but same experiment clicked perfectly in T-20 Games so for time being i am willing to cut some slack to this approach or Virat. Having said that i don't want to see single experiment and any surprise in the Test Series and i hope Virat & Co goes with their winning combination.

You have to admit that luck helped them in a major way since winning 2 super overs in a row is no joke. Everything clicked perfectly for India primarily due to NZ choking at the end of several matches. I don't think Virat would take any risks with the test format though.

Quote from: JSRAW on February 11, 2020, 01:44:32 PM

About his captaincy, Usually i am very critical of Virat's captaincy in the shorter format. But IMHO after World Cup failure he's growing quite well in this role. May be because he knows Dhoni is not coming back so he's using his brain or something? not sure but little observation.

Makes sense. I do enjoy Kohli's outbursts as a captain which shows his fighting spirit and he does tend to give newbies like Pant a lot of chances despite severe criticism, but he needs to make changes wherever necessary if he wants to become a better captain in the long term.

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Quote from: RapTarX on February 11, 2020, 12:30:30 PM

Bad days for team India. Lost the u19 final battle to Bangladesh, got whitewashed after 31 years (last one was 1989). I was out of gambling for a long time because of being busy in IRL, otherwise could have realized a good amount of BTC lost Cheesy

Indian batting was not that bad but look at Navdeep and Shardul; they were way much expensive. Bumra was less expensive but failed to pick some wickets. What happened with Shami? Wasn't he in the squad? He was doing pretty well.

In U19 World Cup, Bangladesh’s patience in the end helped them to win the cup because after 7 down if they lost another wicket they would have lost the match . They only scored runs on bad balls and waited for it. While on other hand NZ batsman were too good in third match because they were hitting six to somebody likes of Bumrah. This itself means that NZ has comeback strongly after losing the T20 series .

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 11, 2020, 02:04:50 PM

Quote from: amishmanish on February 11, 2020, 10:18:37 AM

Also, as far as experiments are concerned, What exactly is the non-functioning Head Coach and adopted daamad of Indian cricket doing?

Lol. He is enjoying the life getting clicked with random girls. Have no idea what he is doing behind the scenes with Kohli which is why I won't comment on his mentoring though.

He is the choice of the Indian players. If they hire a foreign coach, then the players may not get adjusted to the rigorous training schedules and rules (this has happened whenever the Indian team had foreign coaches, such as John Wright, Greg Chappell and Gary Kirsten). Chappell in particular had a stormy relationship with many of the players. Shastri is lenient and allows whatever the players want to do. For the BCCI, it is just another position which they can auction off to the highest bidder.

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The celebrations will last for a long long time for Bangladesh and it will be talked about for a long time.

The ICC have taken note of the wild celebration and have taken action against five players, three from Bangladesh and two players from India for breaching the conduct. Towhid Hridoy, Shamim Hossain and Rakibul Hasan from Bangladesh and Akash Singh and Ravi Bishnoi are the players according to reports and they will get suspended for a few matches.

This was very important for many to follow in future as I watch this match really feeling shame these are future players they need to be better but this all give very negativity to all followers and sports lovers I check mostly this started by Bangladesh boys because as they came upper hand they was out of control which is never been accepted in any way.

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Quote from: amishmanish on February 11, 2020, 10:18:37 AM

Virat is pretty much the polar opposite of MSD in terms of demeanor and their outward approach to the game. The angry young boy vs the Mr. Cool. T20 seems to have become too much of a forte for the team. There was a time when we used to complain about declining Test performances due to too many ODIs. Is it the ODIs now suffering due to the T20s?

Possible. They are missing many of their senior players(Bhuvi, Hardik etc) and are clearly taking way too many risks with new players during do or die matches(The 2nd ODI for example) and the T-20 format probably influenced these decisions.

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Also, as far as experiments are concerned, What exactly is the non-functioning Head Coach and adopted daamad of Indian cricket doing?

Lol. He is enjoying the life getting clicked with random girls. Have no idea what he is doing behind the scenes with Kohli which is why I won't comment on his mentoring though.

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 11, 2020, 05:59:17 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 11, 2020, 05:42:36 AM

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I don't know. Virat seems to be experimenting a bit too much in the ODI format these days. He backed Pant for a long time even when the crowd felt disappointed with his performances and his injury was the primary reason he got replaced.

He needs to continue improving his captaincy skills since he has a long way to go in order to match someone like MSD(Especially in the ODI format). His long term plan seems to be failing since Thakur is easily one of the worst Indian bowlers I have seen in recent times(Even though he takes wickets regularly).

Experiment looks bad when team lose the game but same experiment clicked perfectly in T-20 Games so for time being i am willing to cut some slack to this approach or Virat. Having said that i don't want to see single experiment and any surprise in the Test Series and i hope Virat & Co goes with their winning combination.

About his captaincy, Usually i am very critical of Virat's captaincy in the shorter format. But IMHO after World Cup failure he's growing quite well in this role. May be because he knows Dhoni is not coming back so he's using his brain or something? not sure but little observation.

Quote from: amishmanish on February 11, 2020, 10:18:37 AM

What exactly is the non-functioning Head Coach and adopted daamad of Indian cricket doing?

Cheer leading is tough task Tongue

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 11, 2020, 05:42:36 AM

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Why would you do experiments when your team is performing so well ?

As told by many experts, you should not change the winning combination. Too much experiment and changes will bring bad affect to the team, and this is what happened with Indian team lately and they had to face a white wash in ODI.

After 2nd ODI he gave statement that ODI are not relevant this year as compared to Test (WTC) and T-20 (WC) so he and management wants to try new players.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on February 11, 2020, 11:16:19 AM

The celebrations will last for a long long time for Bangladesh and it will be talked about for a long time.

The ICC have taken note of the wild celebration and have taken action against five players, three from Bangladesh and two players from India for breaching the conduct. Towhid Hridoy, Shamim Hossain and Rakibul Hasan from Bangladesh and Akash Singh and Ravi Bishnoi are the players according to reports and they will get suspended for a few matches.

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Bad days for team India. Lost the u19 final battle to Bangladesh, got whitewashed after 31 years (last one was 1989). I was out of gambling for a long time because of being busy in IRL, otherwise could have realized a good amount of BTC lost Cheesy

Indian batting was not that bad but look at Navdeep and Shardul; they were way much expensive. Bumra was less expensive but failed to pick some wickets. What happened with Shami? Wasn't he in the squad? He was doing pretty well.

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The current hottest & overlooked topic in the world cricket history is the winning of Under 19 World Cup.

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This topic and news is not overlooked and you will find a lot of discussion about it in the last 2 - 3 pages of this thread. Under 19 World Cup has gained a lot of popularity after this upset.

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