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Quote from: JSRAW on January 15, 2020, 06:58:39 AM

~Rant~

Nicely written, merited!
...but I'm not sure why
I want this all to happen again
in the next ODI!

I can understand the sentiments of our neighbours but Solace in others misery is not a good thing Tongue

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Guys its just one loss and every team is allowed to play bad once in a while.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 15, 2020, 08:36:45 PM

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Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 03:06:09 PM

They didn't played more cricket recently and also flat pitch has no help for the bowlers so I won't blame them.Every blame should go to batting side,if they scored more runs then the course of the match will be completely different.

Are you telling that India did not play ODI cricket and if that is the case Australia too did not play ODI in a very long time and with the way in which Australian openers played i bet no total would have been safe, India does depend upon two players mainly to score the bulk of the runs, especially Rohit Sharma in the top order and Kohli and if they fail then India usually struggles and that is what we saw in the first ODI and India does have problem with the middle order and with a good team like Australia it is exposed and what changes they can make determines how the second ODI goes.

Players such as Bumrah, Mohammed Shami and Rohit were returning to the side after significant breaks and these players didn't looked as if they were very comfortable out there. On the other hand, the Australian players were back from their terrific series against New Zealand and that explains the good fitness levels shown by them. Indian senior players don't usually participate in the domestic tournaments, and that explains their lack of preparation. Bumrah was supposed to play in one Ranji Trophy match. But at the last moment, he decided to withdraw.

If you’ll want someone to blame then blame the selectors who have failed to find strong middle order batsman for team India, also the team management should explain why they’re not taking actions against players who don’t play in the domestic matches to keep themselves fit. It’s also pertinent to note that over reliance on Indian Captain Virat and Rohit is hurting team India, and hence I feel that selectors should take bold steps and remove non performing players from the team.

Sources:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/india-vs-sri-lanka-can-t-be-dependent-on-two-guys-or-three-virat-kohli-wants-middle-order-to-step-up/story-cSstCqXxNucon4Pnh2AjNM.html

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/india-vs-australia-a-strategy-india-need-to-rethink-stats-reveal-big-weak-point-in-virat-kohli-brigade/story-SIcfUOXJ0wiHj3DY3v0GMJ.html

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cricket/jasprit-bumrah-fitness-injury-sourav-ganguly-bcci-gujarat-kerala-ranji-trophy/article30395067.ece

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Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 03:06:09 PM

They didn't played more cricket recently and also flat pitch has no help for the bowlers so I won't blame them.Every blame should go to batting side,if they scored more runs then the course of the match will be completely different.

I disagree. It is possible to win matches even if the scores are below par as long as the bowlers perform exceptionally well even if its a batting track. Every department failed here which is why the majority of the team should be blamed(Not just the batsmen).

Quote from: ene1980 on January 15, 2020, 02:25:27 PM

accept that it was a dominant performance by Australia and India need to perform better if they need to win the second match Wink

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Agreed. India was outclassed in every department basically and they need to kick things up a notch performance wise if they want to win the upcoming matches.

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Quote from: ene1980 on January 15, 2020, 03:32:53 PM

Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 03:06:09 PM

They didn't played more cricket recently and also flat pitch has no help for the bowlers so I won't blame them.Every blame should go to batting side,if they scored more runs then the course of the match will be completely different.

Are you telling that India did not play ODI cricket and if that is the case Australia too did not play ODI in a very long time and with the way in which Australian openers played i bet no total would have been safe, India does depend upon two players mainly to score the bulk of the runs, especially Rohit Sharma in the top order and Kohli and if they fail then India usually struggles and that is what we saw in the first ODI and India does have problem with the middle order and with a good team like Australia it is exposed and what changes they can make determines how the second ODI goes.

Players such as Bumrah, Mohammed Shami and Rohit were returning to the side after significant breaks and these players didn't looked as if they were very comfortable out there. On the other hand, the Australian players were back from their terrific series against New Zealand and that explains the good fitness levels shown by them. Indian senior players don't usually participate in the domestic tournaments, and that explains their lack of preparation. Bumrah was supposed to play in one Ranji Trophy match. But at the last moment, he decided to withdraw.

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Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 03:06:09 PM

They didn't played more cricket recently and also flat pitch has no help for the bowlers so I won't blame them.Every blame should go to batting side,if they scored more runs then the course of the match will be completely different.

Are you telling that India did not play ODI cricket and if that is the case Australia too did not play ODI in a very long time and with the way in which Australian openers played i bet no total would have been safe, India does depend upon two players mainly to score the bulk of the runs, especially Rohit Sharma in the top order and Kohli and if they fail then India usually struggles and that is what we saw in the first ODI and India does have problem with the middle order and with a good team like Australia it is exposed and what changes they can make determines how the second ODI goes.

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Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 11:33:03 AM

I remember that question someone asked India is best so they can win this t20 world cup and it is the answer for that,best team not can give their best all the time.

Openers struggled a bit which can happen any time but the middle order should make up for that which is the reason for today's lost IMHO.When there is not enough runs on the board bowlers also will lose their confidence.

I have also noticed the same. India looks really strong on paper. But they have failed during a lot of pressure situations. On the other hand, teams such as Australia and England perform better than India under these conditions. Another issue is the lack of preparedness. During the last match, it looked as if some of the players (especially Bumrah and Shardul) faced difficulties in adjusting to the conditions.

They didn't played more cricket recently and also flat pitch has no help for the bowlers so I won't blame them.Every blame should go to batting side,if they scored more runs then the course of the match will be completely different.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 15, 2020, 09:39:10 AM

India was a bit rusty. They were overconfident, probably due to all those one sided matches involving them recently. On the other hand, the Australians were very professional and made no mistakes in any of the departments. Australia was the visiting team and yet it looked as if the hosts were under-prepared and the visitors had made a lot of effort in acclimatizing themselves.

Before the series started i have seen some telling that Australia will be rusty as they did not play many ODI after the World Cup and we have seen the first ODI and how dominant Australia was as they made some records defeating India without loosing a single wicket and now there are excuses that India was rusty, accept that it was a dominant performance by Australia and India need to perform better if they need to win the second match Wink

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 15, 2020, 01:49:58 PM

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on January 15, 2020, 04:50:17 AM

Indian batting line up is always dependent on one batsman earlier it used to be Tendulkar and nowdays it is kholi. If Kohli does not performs the whole middle order gets cracked. If any team wants to win against India they only need to get the top three batsmen and they will win the match.

You underestimate the current Indian lineup way too much. The Indian batting lineup goes deep due to plenty of capable batsmen and judging them because of a single match is pure bullshit. Plenty of match-winners in this team.

I am on same page, its true Indian team lost the game but it doesn't mean they are bad. in my point of view they are one of the best team(top2) in this decade and i am saying this without any bias or Indianness.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 15, 2020, 06:58:39 AM

Pitch was Flat
Humiliating for Indian fans
OZ were outstanding

Rohit was rusty
Dhawan-Rahul misfired
kohli saying - Ben $%#$-

Sheyas got scared
Pant is a dud
Jadeja meh meh meh

Shardul tried to fit
Kuldeep was unlucky
Aussie hammered rest of them

Brilliant summary. You need to do this more often

. I don't think Shardul will last long in this squad since he seems to be a better batsman than a bowler. Chahar or Bhuvi will probably replace him in the near future.

Will try my best next time. i tried my best not to be abusive in this small rant tbh Grin

You deserve many merit points after analysis like this but sadly I have no I feel you are also crazy like me for cricket I was also on for all day and night but now sidelined for last one decade because of some serious troubles .

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Quote from: Haunebu on January 15, 2020, 08:58:51 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on January 15, 2020, 04:50:17 AM

Indian batting line up is always dependent on one batsman earlier it used to be Tendulkar and nowdays it is kholi. If Kohli does not performs the whole middle order gets cracked. If any team wants to win against India they only need to get the top three batsmen and they will win the match.

You underestimate the current Indian lineup way too much. The Indian batting lineup goes deep due to plenty of capable batsmen and judging them because of a single match is pure bullshit. Plenty of match-winners in this team.

I am on same page, its true Indian team lost the game but it doesn't mean they are bad. in my point of view they are one of the best team(top2) in this decade and i am saying this without any bias or Indianness.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 15, 2020, 06:58:39 AM

Pitch was Flat
Humiliating for Indian fans
OZ were outstanding

Rohit was rusty
Dhawan-Rahul misfired
kohli saying - Ben $%#$-

Sheyas got scared
Pant is a dud
Jadeja meh meh meh

Shardul tried to fit
Kuldeep was unlucky
Aussie hammered rest of them

Brilliant summary. You need to do this more often

. I don't think Shardul will last long in this squad since he seems to be a better batsman than a bowler. Chahar or Bhuvi will probably replace him in the near future.

Will try my best next time. i tried my best not to be abusive in this small rant tbh Grin

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Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 11:33:03 AM

I remember that question someone asked India is best so they can win this t20 world cup and it is the answer for that,best team not can give their best all the time.

Openers struggled a bit which can happen any time but the middle order should make up for that which is the reason for today's lost IMHO.When there is not enough runs on the board bowlers also will lose their confidence.

I have also noticed the same. India looks really strong on paper. But they have failed during a lot of pressure situations. On the other hand, teams such as Australia and England perform better than India under these conditions. Another issue is the lack of preparedness. During the last match, it looked as if some of the players (especially Bumrah and Shardul) faced difficulties in adjusting to the conditions.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on January 15, 2020, 09:48:07 AM

Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 09:00:40 AM

How do you describe about today's match? Is that India played really poor or Australia played something exceptional.

Its good to see the terrific opening partners back into action.

It was a complete one sided match. Australia dominated the match from the beginning. I cannot accept such kind of cricket from the Indian team. They failed in all levels. They batted below par and bowled poorly. There was a lack of coordination between the players.

Such kind of a performance will always act in the favour of the opponent.

I remember that question someone asked India is best so they can win this t20 world cup and it is the answer for that,best team not can give their best all the time.

Openers struggled a bit which can happen any time but the middle order should make up for that which is the reason for today's lost IMHO.When there is not enough runs on the board bowlers also will lose their confidence.

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Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 09:00:40 AM

How do you describe about today's match? Is that India played really poor or Australia played something exceptional.

Its good to see the terrific opening partners back into action.

It was a complete one sided match. Australia dominated the match from the beginning. I cannot accept such kind of cricket from the Indian team. They failed in all levels. They batted below par and bowled poorly. There was a lack of coordination between the players.

Such kind of a performance will always act in the favour of the opponent.

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Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 09:00:40 AM

How do you describe about today's match? Is that India played really poor or Australia played something exceptional.

Its good to see the terrific opening partners back into action.

India was a bit rusty. They were overconfident, probably due to all those one sided matches involving them recently. On the other hand, the Australians were very professional and made no mistakes in any of the departments. Australia was the visiting team and yet it looked as if the hosts were under-prepared and the visitors had made a lot of effort in acclimatizing themselves.

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How do you describe about today's match? Is that India played really poor or Australia played something exceptional.

Its good to see the terrific opening partners back into action.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on January 15, 2020, 04:50:17 AM

Indian batting line up is always dependent on one batsman earlier it used to be Tendulkar and nowdays it is kholi. If Kohli does not performs the whole middle order gets cracked. If any team wants to win against India they only need to get the top three batsmen and they will win the match.

You underestimate the current Indian lineup way too much. The Indian batting lineup goes deep due to plenty of capable batsmen and judging them because of a single match is pure bullshit. Plenty of match-winners in this team.

Quote from: JSRAW on January 15, 2020, 06:58:39 AM

Pitch was Flat
Humiliating for Indian fans
OZ were outstanding

Rohit was rusty
Dhawan-Rahul misfired
kohli saying - Ben $%#$-

Sheyas got scared
Pant is a dud
Jadeja meh meh meh

Shardul tried to fit
Kuldeep was unlucky
Aussie hammered rest of them

Brilliant summary. You need to do this more often

. I don't think Shardul will last long in this squad since he seems to be a better batsman than a bowler. Chahar or Bhuvi will probably replace him in the near future.

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Pitch was Flat
Humiliating for Indian fans
OZ were outstanding

Rohit was rusty
Dhawan-Rahul misfired
kohli saying - Ben $%#$-

Sheyas got scared
Pant is a dud
Jadeja meh meh meh

Shardul tried to fit
Kuldeep was unlucky
Aussie hammered rest of them

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What a terrific experience of the home team, Nobody expects such type of result even Team Australia, I think this is the lesson for the India and Virat, I think 255 was not a good score but what Warner and Finch have done that was unbelievable, only a lot of dedication and confidence could be the way of getting such type of performance, After coming back to the team, Warner is passing a marvelous time with his bat, So this is the way a great player has to prove, again and again, I think team India has to learn a lot of thing from that match but my prediction goes to Australia to win this series.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on January 15, 2020, 04:50:17 AM

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 14, 2020, 08:57:48 PM

What do you really expect from the bowlers, when the batsmen failed to put even 260 in a perfect batting track where a total of 300-320 would have proved insufficient?

I expect them to at the very least take a couple of wickets since they are world class bowlers. I don't blame the batsmen completely since Dhawan and Rahul did perform. They failed in all 3 departments(Not just batting).

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 14, 2020, 08:57:48 PM

It was the batting department which lost the game for India. Indian batsmen once again proved that against good opposition, they are too much dependent on Virat Kohli and if he fails then the team will end up with a below par score. The number one team, playing at home and losing the match by 10 wickets. How does that sound?

Kohli himself is not that consistent these days. India lost on all 3 fronts which is why it is stupid to just criticize the batsmen. Bowlers should not be blamed because its a batting track? Silly logic. Not a single bowler performed well basically.

Indian batting line up is always dependent on one batsman earlier it used to be Tendulkar and nowdays it is kholi. If Kohli does not performs the whole middle order gets cracked. If any team wants to win against India they only need to get the top three batsmen and
they will win the match.

I would not agree to it beacuse now each and every player is capable of match winnings innings by himself as against before case . Now consider Rohit , Dhawan , Hardin, KL Rahul, Jadeja etc can make you win by bat as well individually .

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on January 15, 2020, 04:50:17 AM

Indian batting line up is always dependent on one batsman earlier it used to be Tendulkar and nowdays it is kholi. If Kohli does not performs the whole middle order gets cracked. If any team wants to win against India they only need to get the top three batsmen and they will win the match.

When Tendulkar was playing he was the only player who could change the match and the entire team revolved around him until Gangually and Dravid established themselves in the team but now the team might revolve around Kohli but Rahul and Rohit Sharma are performing as well and if India is getting a good start then they usually set a good score and Dhoni was there to protect one end even if the top order failed but now we are not having Dhoni and if the top order fails the entire team fails

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Quote from: Haunebu on January 14, 2020, 03:40:43 PM

Quote from: akhjob on January 14, 2020, 10:23:40 AM

I really don't want a whitewash from them

Whitewash? I don't think so. India is still in this tournament even after such a humiliating defeat, but don't count them out just because of a single loss. They will bounce back though it will definitely not be easy against such a powerful Australian side.

Let's hope the best for India. But, as you can see, this is the fourth consecutive loss for India against the Aussies in India. In the 2019 series, India was leading the series and went on to lose the last three matches losing the series. The Aussies have become accustomed to Indian pitches because of the IPL, so it will really be a tough task for India to win the next two matches in this series.

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