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Quote from: JohnBitCo on August 30, 2019, 12:29:28 PM

Did Srilanka team has better bowlers than Mendis ? No, they are lacking in good bowlers. Then why is was not given the chance ?

Rangana Herath was their main bowler after the retirement of Muttiah Muralitharan and you cannot pick anyone because they performed a long time back, if the selectors might have thought that Mendis is playing better domestic cricket than the rest of the players he would have being picked in the team.

Quote from: JohnBitCo on August 30, 2019, 12:29:28 PM

There was no harm in trying Mendis too in the recent matches, who knows he might have clicked. But sadly Srilankan team did not gave him any chance and he retire without playing in recent times.

Not sure whether you know something that the rest of the fans does not know, the selectors cannot pick anyone if they are not performing to the level it is expected from them.

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Quote from: ene1980 on August 28, 2019, 02:27:18 PM

Quote from: JohnBitCo on August 28, 2019, 01:15:58 PM

He is only 34 years of age. Isn't it too early for him to retire from ODI and T20 also ?
Also Srilanka team is struggling in all forms of cricket and Mendis was one of the best bowler for the srilanka at the present moment.

He is not in the team for a long time, he was a sensation when he debuted for the team as no team was able to crack his tricks in his initial series but with the modern slow motion cameras every team studied him really well and started playing well against him and he could not keep up with the expectation and crumbled on the pressure. He was really talented and he invented the carom ball but he could not perform to his true potential in the later part of his career.

Did Srilanka team has better bowlers than Mendis ? No, they are lacking in good bowlers. Then why is was not given the chance ?
There was no harm in trying Mendis too in the recent matches, who knows he might have clicked. But sadly Srilankan team did not gave him any chance and he retire without playing in recent times.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 30, 2019, 08:36:20 AM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 30, 2019, 08:32:13 AM

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Virat Kohli and Steve Smith are among the legends of cricket. I would rate Virat Kohli as a batter batsmen when compared to Sachin Tendulkar because most of his centuries came against strong teams, and that too outside the sub-continent. On the other hand, more than half of the centuries scored by Sachin were against weak teams such as Zimbabwe and Kenya, in flat subcontinental pitches.

Sachin is not just about scoring century, having tons of runs. Sachin's greatness and influence is uncountable and incomparable. If there were no Sachin, we would not even see Kohli and others.

Yet is not time to compare Kohli (or any cricketer who are still playing) with Sachin.

Well.. I would agree that Sachin had a god-like status during the 1990s and the 2000s. You are right, when you claim that Sachin encouraged players such as Virat Kohli and Mahendra Singh Dhoni. Back then, every kid wanted to bat like Sachin. I still remember a placard which I saw when I was a kid: "cricket is our religion, Sachin is our god". Hmmmm.... those were the times...

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 30, 2019, 08:32:13 AM

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Virat Kohli and Steve Smith are among the legends of cricket. I would rate Virat Kohli as a batter batsmen when compared to Sachin Tendulkar because most of his centuries came against strong teams, and that too outside the sub-continent. On the other hand, more than half of the centuries scored by Sachin were against weak teams such as Zimbabwe and Kenya, in flat subcontinental pitches.

Sachin is not just about scoring century, having tons of runs. Sachin's greatness and influence is uncountable and incomparable. If there were no Sachin, we would not even see Kohli and others.

Yet is not time to compare Kohli (or any cricketer who are still playing) with Sachin.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 30, 2019, 04:19:44 AM

Quote from: onrise on August 16, 2019, 01:27:46 AM

Kohli created couple of record with last innings century. Firstly he is now equal Sachin record of maximum century against a country of scoring 9 century by Kohli against WI and Sachin also has 9 against Oz in ODI. Also Kohli is the first batsman to score more than 20k runs in a decade .

Absolute insanity. Crazy thing is that he performs at this best against a team like Australia which says a lot. He is the only person in my opinion who is capable of breaking Sachin's records in the long term as long as he continues playing for a long period of time.

The only other player that comes close is Steven Smith in my opinion who has the potential to set huge records as long as his amazing batting average stays consistent over the long term.

Virat Kohli and Steve Smith are among the legends of cricket. I would rate Virat Kohli as a batter batsmen when compared to Sachin Tendulkar because most of his centuries came against strong teams, and that too outside the sub-continent. On the other hand, more than half of the centuries scored by Sachin were against weak teams such as Zimbabwe and Kenya, in flat subcontinental pitches.

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Quote from: onrise on August 16, 2019, 01:27:46 AM

Kohli created couple of record with last innings century. Firstly he is now equal Sachin record of maximum century against a country of scoring 9 century by Kohli against WI and Sachin also has 9 against Oz in ODI. Also Kohli is the first batsman to score more than 20k runs in a decade .

Absolute insanity. Crazy thing is that he performs at this best against a team like Australia which says a lot. He is the only person in my opinion who is capable of breaking Sachin's records in the long term as long as he continues playing for a long period of time.

The only other player that comes close is Steven Smith in my opinion who has the potential to set huge records as long as his amazing batting average stays consistent over the long term.

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Quote from: onrise on August 29, 2019, 11:03:41 AM

I think he should have being with the team as rightly said at this time team required him and his experience as not much experienced players of the SL team is playing and with this another one out . It’s a blow for the teams Nd it’s upcoming players .

I am not sure why everyone is fixed on his experience when Ajantha Mendis is not picked in the team for Test from 2014 and he last played ODI in 2015, there is a reason for his exclusion as he was not performing up to his potential he showcased during his debut and he was finding it hard to pick wickets and if the cricket board thinks that they have much better player they will pick them rather than having emotion and knowing that his career is not going forward he is retiring from all forms of cricket.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on August 28, 2019, 01:15:58 PM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 28, 2019, 12:45:13 PM

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He will be missed !!!!!!!!!!!!

He is only 34 years of age. Isn't it too early for him to retire from ODI and T20 also ?
Also Srilanka team is struggling in all forms of cricket and Mendis was one of the best bowler for the srilanka at the present moment.

I think he should have being with the team as rightly said at this time team required him and his experience as not much experienced players of the SL team is playing and with this another one out . It’s a blow for the teams Nd it’s upcoming players .

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on August 28, 2019, 01:15:58 PM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 28, 2019, 12:45:13 PM

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He will be missed !!!!!!!!!!!!

He is only 34 years of age. Isn't it too early for him to retire from ODI and T20 also ?
Also Srilanka team is struggling in all forms of cricket and Mendis was one of the best bowler for the srilanka at the present moment.

At present moment!!! Really?
I don't think so and I can't remember when I saw him last to play international cricket.

Last test- 24th July 2014 vs South Africa
Last ODI- 26th December 2015 vs New Zealand
Last T20- 27 May 2014 vs England

So, after 2015, he never played an international match because of his shit performance.
He has a lot of records in early days, but later he turned into a shit.

I’ll agree he won’t be missed and I had forgotten about him till I read about his retirement here, he had an excellent start to his carrier but later on performances started to drop. There was a time when they had a balanced team, but now they’re a mess and it’ll take them many years to challenge top teams again.

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Fun Fact : In 1900 England and France were up against each other for Olympic gold ( Cricket) England Won the Gold. Only 2 teams participated Cheesy

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BTW, only 28 nations participated in the 1900 Olympics. India and Pakistan didn't had a cricket team then.

I guess you are mixing Olympic participant with Cricket participants. Yes, there were 28 nations but for Cricket only 2 English and French.

Is that really surprising? How many cricket teams were there back in 1900? Many of the countries, such as Argentina and Cuba could send only one athlete each, as token representation. Only countries 6 had more than two dozen athletes: Belgium, Switzerland, France, Great Britain, Germany and the Netherlands. Out of them, only GB and Netherlands had proper cricket teams and somehow Netherlands skipped the event and was replaced by the amateur team from France.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on August 28, 2019, 01:15:58 PM

He is only 34 years of age. Isn't it too early for him to retire from ODI and T20 also ?
Also Srilanka team is struggling in all forms of cricket and Mendis was one of the best bowler for the srilanka at the present moment.

He is not in the team for a long time, he was a sensation when he debuted for the team as no team was able to crack his tricks in his initial series but with the modern slow motion cameras every team studied him really well and started playing well against him and he could not keep up with the expectation and crumbled on the pressure. He was really talented and he invented the carom ball but he could not perform to his true potential in the later part of his career.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on August 28, 2019, 01:15:58 PM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 28, 2019, 12:45:13 PM

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He will be missed !!!!!!!!!!!!

He is only 34 years of age. Isn't it too early for him to retire from ODI and T20 also ?
Also Srilanka team is struggling in all forms of cricket and Mendis was one of the best bowler for the srilanka at the present moment.

At present moment!!! Really?
I don't think so and I can't remember when I saw him last to play international cricket.

Last test- 24th July 2014 vs South Africa
Last ODI- 26th December 2015 vs New Zealand
Last T20- 27 May 2014 vs England

So, after 2015, he never played an international match because of his shit performance.
He has a lot of records in early days, but later he turned into a shit.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 28, 2019, 12:45:13 PM

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He will be missed !!!!!!!!!!!!

He is only 34 years of age. Isn't it too early for him to retire from ODI and T20 also ?
Also Srilanka team is struggling in all forms of cricket and Mendis was one of the best bowler for the srilanka at the present moment.

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He will be missed !!!!!!!!!!!!

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 15, 2019, 07:03:24 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 15, 2019, 03:04:38 AM

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Fun Fact : In 1900 England and France were up against each other for Olympic gold ( Cricket) England Won the Gold. Only 2 teams participated Cheesy

~Edited~

BTW, only 28 nations participated in the 1900 Olympics. India and Pakistan didn't had a cricket team then.

I guess you are mixing Olympic participant with Cricket participants. Yes, there were 28 nations but for Cricket only 2 English and French.

Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 15, 2019, 08:28:17 PM

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For me qualification process is more complicated than the duration. The test nations would never agree to play the qualifiers, as they are always used to direct entry. Imagine India playing in a qualifying tournament along with teams such as Nepal and Myanmar. The BCCI will be furious because there is very little money to be made from these matches. My take is that the other issues can be taken care of, but the qualifying requirement is a major obstacle.

Yeah, that's a biggie, but I have a hope that it could be tackle with a voting system. Something similar happened when ICC distributed BCCI's revenue among other members. If I am not wrong, then the final vote count was 9 against 1 during revenue fiasco.

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Quote from: erikalui on August 15, 2019, 03:08:57 AM

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I seriously couldn't believe when I read India won the match. Virat supported the team till the end with Iyer else they had already lost 3 wickets early in the game and needed 160+ runs to chase. So happy for both Virat and Gayle

Well when I saw India lost their third wicket, I stopped following the match. This morning I woke up and checked the score and wala! India won!! It seemed WI had very good chance to win this match but Kohli and Iyer destroyed them. I always had confidence in Iyer and again he proved his worth in the Indian team. Great knock from captain Kohli.

Congratulations India for winning the series, it was expected though :-P

In this match we watch real class of Virat I believe he is much ahead of All present and past batsmen in many things I watch all his inning and really enjoy we cannot ignore this match in winning innings now after two clean sweeps look like India is going for another as home team is not good enough to hold them.

Kohli created couple of record with last innings century. Firstly he is now equal Sachin record of maximum century against a country of scoring 9 century by Kohli against WI and Sachin also has 9 against Oz in ODI. Also Kohli is the first batsman to score more than 20k runs in a decade .

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 15, 2019, 03:04:38 AM

^ IMO even T-20 is a very long format for Olympics.

If everyone wants to include cricket in the Olympics, then format needs to be short. Let's say wrap up one game within 3-5 hours max. In that case, T-6 and T-10 can do magic. Let 20-30 teams compete in the Olympics, after the qualification round and strictly no preference to any Test-playing nation.

Make a 4-5 small group, let the 4-5 games start simultaneously on the same day, With this whole circus could finish with in 15 20 days top after that ICC can follow their bilateral stuff for revenue generation.

Fun Fact : In 1900 England and France were up against each other for Olympic gold ( Cricket) England Won the Gold. Only 2 teams participated Cheesy

T20 can be a suitable format of cricket ever finds a place in the Olympic games. 3 hours per match is manageable, IMO. If the teams are split into smaller groups, then the entire tournament can be completed within 8-10 days, as posted by Vishnu above. For me qualification process is more complicated than the duration. The test nations would never agree to play the qualifiers, as they are always used to direct entry. Imagine India playing in a qualifying tournament along with teams such as Nepal and Myanmar. The BCCI will be furious because there is very little money to be made from these matches. My take is that the other issues can be taken care of, but the qualifying requirement is a major obstacle.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 15, 2019, 06:18:33 AM

Quote from: erikalui on August 15, 2019, 03:08:57 AM

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I seriously couldn't believe when I read India won the match. Virat supported the team till the end with Iyer else they had already lost 3 wickets early in the game and needed 160+ runs to chase. So happy for both Virat and Gayle

Well when I saw India lost their third wicket, I stopped following the match. This morning I woke up and checked the score and wala! India won!! It seemed WI had very good chance to win this match but Kohli and Iyer destroyed them. I always had confidence in Iyer and again he proved his worth in the Indian team. Great knock from captain Kohli.

Congratulations India for winning the series, it was expected though :-P

In this match we watch real class of Virat I believe he is much ahead of All present and past batsmen in many things I watch all his inning and really enjoy we cannot ignore this match in winning innings now after two clean sweeps look like India is going for another as home team is not good enough to hold them.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 15, 2019, 03:04:38 AM

^ IMO even T-20 is a very long format for Olympics.

If everyone wants to include cricket in the Olympics, then format needs to be short. Let's say wrap up one game within 3-5 hours max. In that case, T-6 and T-10 can do magic. Let 20-30 teams compete in the Olympics, after the qualification round and strictly no preference to any Test-playing nation.

Make a 4-5 small group, let the 4-5 games start simultaneously on the same day, With this whole circus could finish with in 15 20 days top after that ICC can follow their bilateral stuff for revenue generation.

Fun Fact : In 1900 England and France were up against each other for Olympic gold ( Cricket) England Won the Gold. Only 2 teams participated Cheesy

A T20 match lasts around 3 hours and 15 minutes (including the break in between the innings). T10 may take around 1 hour 45 minutes. IMO, 32 teams can be split to 8 groups, with each team playing 3 matches during the group stage. 8 teams qualify for the quarter-finals, 4 to the Semi-finals and two to the finals. The matches can be completed in just 7 days. If you want to include rest-days, then it may take 10 days.

BTW, only 28 nations participated in the 1900 Olympics. India and Pakistan didn't had a cricket team then.

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Quote from: erikalui on August 15, 2019, 03:08:57 AM

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I seriously couldn't believe when I read India won the match. Virat supported the team till the end with Iyer else they had already lost 3 wickets early in the game and needed 160+ runs to chase. So happy for both Virat and Gayle

Well when I saw India lost their third wicket, I stopped following the match. This morning I woke up and checked the score and wala! India won!! It seemed WI had very good chance to win this match but Kohli and Iyer destroyed them. I always had confidence in Iyer and again he proved his worth in the Indian team. Great knock from captain Kohli.

Congratulations India for winning the series, it was expected though :-P

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