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^^^ Now I am not going to say that Samson deserves the spot better than Pant. It is up to the selectors to decide. But are the selectors doing their job without any bias? I remember the incident in which Hanuma Vihari was picked over Karun Nair, when the latter was in good form. And it didn't surprised me back then, because MSK Prasad (chief selector of the Indian National Cricket Team) came from the same state board as Vihari.
It is the biased decision of the selectors, Sanju Samson was selected for two T20 series and that too against weaker opponents and still if you are not getting a chance to play the game what do you call that, people are selected just to supply water and warm the bench Roll Eyes. They could have selected the retired Sachin Tendulkar instead to have a high morale instead of selecting a player just to view the match live in the stadium Tongue .

Samson should not get demotivated or demoralized. He is just 25-years old and he has managed to get the support from tens of millions of Indian cricket fans. If he has the talent, then he don't have to worry about anything. It is just a matter of time before he becomes a permanent component of the playing XI. The coach and the captain won't be able to ignore him for too long.
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Bhuvi is ruled out of the ODI series against WI and this is not a good sign for team India as one of their main Bowlers will be out of the series and India will now have to look on other bowlers to pick wickets and contain the batsman .
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^^^ Now I am not going to say that Samson deserves the spot better than Pant. It is up to the selectors to decide. But are the selectors doing their job without any bias? I remember the incident in which Hanuma Vihari was picked over Karun Nair, when the latter was in good form. And it didn't surprised me back then, because MSK Prasad (chief selector of the Indian National Cricket Team) came from the same state board as Vihari.
It is the biased decision of the selectors, Sanju Samson was selected for two T20 series and that too against weaker opponents and still if you are not getting a chance to play the game what do you call that, people are selected just to supply water and warm the bench Roll Eyes. They could have selected the retired Sachin Tendulkar instead to have a high morale instead of selecting a player just to view the match live in the stadium Tongue .
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^^^ Now I am not going to say that Samson deserves the spot better than Pant. It is up to the selectors to decide. But are the selectors doing their job without any bias? I remember the incident in which Hanuma Vihari was picked over Karun Nair, when the latter was in good form. And it didn't surprised me back then, because MSK Prasad (chief selector of the Indian National Cricket Team) came from the same state board as Vihari.
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But this may harm his chances further, right? Kohli was very upset after all the booing and chants that were directed at him and Pant. It is no secret that he prefers Pant over the other potential keepers, but this particular incident will make him even more insistent on the choice for that slot. Meanwhile the Ranji trophy season has started, and for now Samson should concentrate on that.
The team management has every right to select the team they prefer and we know very well how they select the team members, if you remember Jaywant Lele who was a former BCCI secretary revealed how Virender Sehwag was selected in the team, Madan Lal wanted Sehwag in the team and he wanted the selectors to give an opportunity for Sehwag to play for India but the selectors used to pick Sehwag in the team but will not allow him to play a match and when Gangually was suspended for slow over rate against Zimbabwe they were not even planning to play Sehwag but the persistence of Madan Lal and forcing Lele to take the responsibility along with Chandu Borde gave Sehwag the opportunity to play for India and we all know what happened next as i consider Sehwag to be the best opening batsman in Test cricket and he changed how openers should be in cricket and we all know how Warner thanked Sehwag when he scored his first triple century a few weeks back and he tributes it to the motivation speech Sehwag gave to him while he was playing in the IPL. So what i am trying to tell is the state at which a talent is selected in the team and not because of their merits but because of recommendation.
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Indian fans have this problem. I didn't watch game so not aware of this particular incident . As far as i noticed fans were booing Rishab Pant and Virat came in his defense followed by some statement during the press conference. this thingy happened against Bangladesh too when fans were chanting Dhoni.

Booing the players during the game is not something I would condone. I had condemned similar behavior by the English fans when they booed both Steve Smith and David Warner during the Ashes. And more than a decade back, I was disappointed by similar behavior by the Indian fans, during a World Cup match against Sri Lanka. Let's keep the sportsman spirit by removing these hooligans from the crowd.

Well, Booing is a part of the deal i suppose. in an ideal world we can do cherry picking but we are not living in one.

IMHO when someone plays good then spectators chant their name and idolize them, players loves it so they should get ready for booing also. if they want to shut up the crowd then good performance is their only ally, not silly statements. After good performance the very same people will cheer for them without any doubt. so i am up for all kind of criticism, booing, Cheering, sledging etc but not "physical confrontation".


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I said this in this forum, if Sanju Samson was not selected in the match played in Kerala the entire team will be booed
Yup, i remember that.
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Indian fans have this problem. I didn't watch game so not aware of this particular incident . As far as i noticed fans were booing Rishab Pant and Virat came in his defense followed by some statement during the press conference. this thingy happened against Bangladesh too when fans were chanting Dhoni.
I said this in this forum, if Sanju Samson was not selected in the match played in Kerala the entire team will be booed and on top of that they lost the match, just imagine the response they got and my friends were in the stadium and i knew they were planning to boo Pant and Kohli and the team management if he was not selected and so is the reason i predicted that here in this forum  Cheesy.

this is where i predicted how the fans will behave .
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53291165

But this may harm his chances further, right? Kohli was very upset after all the booing and chants that were directed at him and Pant. It is no secret that he prefers Pant over the other potential keepers, but this particular incident will make him even more insistent on the choice for that slot. Meanwhile the Ranji trophy season has started, and for now Samson should concentrate on that.
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Indian fans have this problem. I didn't watch game so not aware of this particular incident . As far as i noticed fans were booing Rishab Pant and Virat came in his defense followed by some statement during the press conference. this thingy happened against Bangladesh too when fans were chanting Dhoni.
I said this in this forum, if Sanju Samson was not selected in the match played in Kerala the entire team will be booed and on top of that they lost the match, just imagine the response they got and my friends were in the stadium and i knew they were planning to boo Pant and Kohli and the team management if he was not selected and so is the reason i predicted that here in this forum  Cheesy.

this is where i predicted how the fans will behave .
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53291165
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Indian fans have this problem. I didn't watch game so not aware of this particular incident . As far as i noticed fans were booing Rishab Pant and Virat came in his defense followed by some statement during the press conference. this thingy happened against Bangladesh too when fans were chanting Dhoni.

Booing the players during the game is not something I would condone. I had condemned similar behavior by the English fans when they booed both Steve Smith and David Warner during the Ashes. And more than a decade back, I was disappointed by similar behavior by the Indian fans, during a World Cup match against Sri Lanka. Let's keep the sportsman spirit by removing these hooligans from the crowd.
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Follow up news in India's ODI squad against the Windies, originally it was posted in T-20 thread but new update is regarding ODI so posting here.

Mayank Agarwal is replacement of Sikhar Dhawan in ODI but nothing to excited about i guess, We already know what happened to Samson who was T-20 replacement for the same player (Sikhar). he's warming up the bench.

Some of the Indian fans misbehaved with Virat Kohli during the second T20I (which was played at Trivandrum, Kerala). I agree that Sanju Samson is a good player. But you can't really misbehave with the team selectors or team captain, if your favorite player doesn't get selected. I think Virat was also quite irritated by the crowd behavior and I am sure that this incident is not going to help Samson in any way.

Indian fans have this problem. I didn't watch game so not aware of this particular incident . As far as i noticed fans were booing Rishab Pant and Virat came in his defense followed by some statement during the press conference. this thingy happened against Bangladesh too when fans were chanting Dhoni.



I’m not surprised by the fans behaviour because sometimes in their passion for this game they end up crossing a line, but the players should restrain from giving it back to the fans and let the authorities fine those rowdy fans.

Shikar Dhawan is not going to be dropped unless he’s injured, because he’s an experienced player and Samson will have to wait for his time.

Now coming to Pant I feel he has himself to blame for the boos, from his poor shot selection to not keeping well he’s done nothing to deserve his place in the starting line up. Also if he continues in this way then soon he’ll be dropped from the team, which in my personal opinion should be done sooner than later.
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Follow up news in India's ODI squad against the Windies, originally it was posted in T-20 thread but new update is regarding ODI so posting here.

Mayank Agarwal is replacement of Sikhar Dhawan in ODI but nothing to excited about i guess, We already know what happened to Samson who was T-20 replacement for the same player (Sikhar). he's warming up the bench.

Some of the Indian fans misbehaved with Virat Kohli during the second T20I (which was played at Trivandrum, Kerala). I agree that Sanju Samson is a good player. But you can't really misbehave with the team selectors or team captain, if your favorite player doesn't get selected. I think Virat was also quite irritated by the crowd behavior and I am sure that this incident is not going to help Samson in any way.

Indian fans have this problem. I didn't watch game so not aware of this particular incident . As far as i noticed fans were booing Rishab Pant and Virat came in his defense followed by some statement during the press conference. this thingy happened against Bangladesh too when fans were chanting Dhoni.

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Some of the Indian fans misbehaved with Virat Kohli during the second T20I (which was played at Trivandrum, Kerala). I agree that Sanju Samson is a good player. But you can't really misbehave with the team selectors or team captain, if your favorite player doesn't get selected. I think Virat was also quite irritated by the crowd behavior and I am sure that this incident is not going to help Samson in any way.
It was not a big surprise, i was vocal here on his exclusion from the playing eleven and the player replacing him was not performing for a long time and time after  time he was given the opportunity to be in the team and it was evident that if Sanju Samson was not selected in the T20 played in Kerala the crowd will express their opinion on the team selection and that is what happened. I know Sanju Samson personally and the bias situation where Pant is giving many opportunities even while he is failing terribly every time under the pressure and still not a single chance for Sanju to play a single game is unfortunate.

@Sashi said that in this forum about the situation if Sanju is not selected and that is exactly what happened.

I agree that Samson deserved a few games. But at the same time supporters need to understand that they should express their anguish in a civil way. Booing your own captain is not going to do any good. Even from the start, his supporters have been pulling down Samson. First it was Shashi Tharoor and Sreesanth who came out vocally in his favor. And obviously there was some backlash from the other parts of India, as the regional equations came in to play. And now I don't think that Indian cricket fans are going to take this incident at Trivandrum lightly. In the end, it is going to have a negative impact on Samson.
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Some of the Indian fans misbehaved with Virat Kohli during the second T20I (which was played at Trivandrum, Kerala). I agree that Sanju Samson is a good player. But you can't really misbehave with the team selectors or team captain, if your favorite player doesn't get selected. I think Virat was also quite irritated by the crowd behavior and I am sure that this incident is not going to help Samson in any way.
It was not a big surprise, i was vocal here on his exclusion from the playing eleven and the player replacing him was not performing for a long time and time after  time he was given the opportunity to be in the team and it was evident that if Sanju Samson was not selected in the T20 played in Kerala the crowd will express their opinion on the team selection and that is what happened. I know Sanju Samson personally and the bias situation where Pant is giving many opportunities even while he is failing terribly every time under the pressure and still not a single chance for Sanju to play a single game is unfortunate.

@Sashi said that in this forum about the situation if Sanju is not selected and that is exactly what happened.
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Follow up news in India's ODI squad against the Windies, originally it was posted in T-20 thread but new update is regarding ODI so posting here.

Mayank Agarwal is replacement of Sikhar Dhawan in ODI but nothing to excited about i guess, We already know what happened to Samson who was T-20 replacement for the same player (Sikhar). he's warming up the bench.

Some of the Indian fans misbehaved with Virat Kohli during the second T20I (which was played at Trivandrum, Kerala). I agree that Sanju Samson is a good player. But you can't really misbehave with the team selectors or team captain, if your favorite player doesn't get selected. I think Virat was also quite irritated by the crowd behavior and I am sure that this incident is not going to help Samson in any way.
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India announced the Squad for upcoming T-20/ ODI series against the West Indies. Kohli, Kuldeep, Bhuvneshwar, Shami, Jadeja are back and Krunal, Khaleel, Shardul Thakur, Samson out.

Samson exclusion looks odd to me, he didn't even got a chance to play a single game and considering Rishabh Pant's recent form, he surely deserved a few chances and not sure what Kedar Jadhav is doing in the ODI squad, he's 34 yo. IMO management should look out for new blood (Shubham Gill).

No mention of Dhoni, guess more speculation on his retirement.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/110916/kuldeep-bhuvneshwar-back-in-squad-for-west-indies-series
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T20I Squad: Virat Kohli (C), Rohit Sharma (VC), Shikhar Dhawan, KL Rahul, Shreyas Iyer, Manish Pandey, Rishabh Pant (WK), Shivam Dube, Washington Sundar, Ravindra Jadeja, Yuzvendra Chahal, Kuldeep Yadav, Deepak Chahar, Mohammed Shami, Bhuvneshwar Kumar

ODI Squad: Virat Kohli (C), Rohit Sharma (VC), Shikhar Dhawan, KL Rahul, Shreyas Iyer, Manish Pandey, Rishabh Pant (WK), Shivam Dube, Kedar Jadhav, Ravindra Jadeja, Yuzvendra Chahal, Kuldeep Yadav, Deepak Chahar, Mohammed Shami, Bhuvneshwar Kumar

New updates on Squad... Injured Dhawan ruled out of West Indies T20Is; Samson named replacement

Now Sanju Samson is part of 15 member sqad for this T-20 Series. he's replacement opener for Sikhar Dhawan who got injured in Domestic tournament ( Syed Mushtaq Ali T20). hard luck for Dhawan but good opportunity for young Samson, hope this young fella grab this chance with both hands and would like to see new guy opening for Team India instead of KL Rahul.

Follow up news in India's ODI squad against the Windies, originally it was posted in T-20 thread but new update is regarding ODI so posting here.

Mayank Agarwal is replacement of Sikhar Dhawan in ODI but nothing to excited about i guess, We already know what happened to Samson who was T-20 replacement for the same player (Sikhar). he's warming up the bench.
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Well.. I enjoy watching pacers such as Mitchell Starc and Pat Cummins destroy the opposition with their raw pace. It is no less entertaining than watching an innings from Virat Kohli or Rohit Sharma, where these same bowlers are thrashed all over the park. During the old days, watching Shoaib Akhtar running up to bowl was more stimulating than the morning cup of coffee.
I really enjoyed good contest between batsman and bowlers rather than having a one sided affair, if a batsman scores a century when the opponent is bowling really well then it would be a joy to see a battle like that and in the past we used to see battles like these but now a days the format and the rules are batsman friendly even fielding and bowling restrictions and the size of the ground as we all mentioned are getting smaller.

A part of the blame should go to the emergence of the T20 format. In this particular format, the bowlers are at a heavy disadvantage. The batsmen can start smashing the ball from the first over onward, since they have 10 wickets to spare with 10 overs in their hand. And the bowlers need to concentrate on bowling economically, rather than taking wickets.
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Well.. I enjoy watching pacers such as Mitchell Starc and Pat Cummins destroy the opposition with their raw pace. It is no less entertaining than watching an innings from Virat Kohli or Rohit Sharma, where these same bowlers are thrashed all over the park. During the old days, watching Shoaib Akhtar running up to bowl was more stimulating than the morning cup of coffee.
I really enjoyed good contest between batsman and bowlers rather than having a one sided affair, if a batsman scores a century when the opponent is bowling really well then it would be a joy to see a battle like that and in the past we used to see battles like these but now a days the format and the rules are batsman friendly even fielding and bowling restrictions and the size of the ground as we all mentioned are getting smaller.
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Agreed. I enjoy watching an IPL match where both teams manage to score something above 180 when compared to a dull one with scores below 100. The batsmen are basically the forwards and quarterbacks of Cricket which is why I have no issues with them being favored more overall.

Well.. I enjoy watching pacers such as Mitchell Starc and Pat Cummins destroy the opposition with their raw pace. It is no less entertaining than watching an innings from Virat Kohli or Rohit Sharma, where these same bowlers are thrashed all over the park. During the old days, watching Shoaib Akhtar running up to bowl was more stimulating than the morning cup of coffee.
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IMHO Quality of fast bowling is not a problem here. problem lies in the ICC rule books, they keep making rules which favors the batsmen.

1. In 70s there was no rule of no ball - stepping the line-
2. These days one bouncer allowed per over, In 90s it used to be 2 and before that bowler used to bowl 6 bouncers in a single over.
3. Boundaries shrinking day by day in the Shorter Format, nowadays even 350 runs target is reachable, but in old times 220 was winning score.
4. Quality bats, Field restrictions, Power play, Free hit, etc
True, but I don't see any problem in that. However, the DRS system has helped bowlers a lot these days due to the multitude of wrong decisions being given out by umpires at present which just shows that bowlers are not being neglected completely.

DRS is for Players which includes (Batsmen/Bowlers) both team vs Bad Umpiring, but agree overall all.

Game is evolving and its necessary for cricket to survive, i am perfectly fine with that. infact i support it but we can't deny the fact that as game moving forward its becoming more batsmen friendly in the shorter format. we shouldn't look at past and whine but when we are looking at overall game history then least we can do is be honest about it.

Look what happened in the Test Cricket in recent times when pitches were green and bouncy (WI vs Eng,-- Eng vs Ind,-- SA vs Ind or Ind vs Aus) or even on flat pitches (Aus vs Pak and Ind vs SA ). teams gets decimated by bowlers only handful of batsmen stands tall in current generations.

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The ICC changed the rules, because according to them the audience cares more about the batsmen.
They are not wrong though. Fast Bowlers are considered second class citizens who do all hard work and Spinners are third class citizen in the cricket.

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Thanks Bro, can understand.

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IMHO Quality of fast bowling is not a problem here. problem lies in the ICC rule books, they keep making rules which favors the batsmen.

1. In 70s there was no rule of no ball - stepping the line-
2. These days one bouncer allowed per over, In 90s it used to be 2 and before that bowler used to bowl 6 bouncers in a single over.
3. Boundaries shrinking day by day in the Shorter Format, nowadays even 350 runs target is reachable, but in old times 220 was winning score.
4. Quality bats, Field restrictions, Power play, Free hit, etc
True, but I don't see any problem in that. However, the DRS system has helped bowlers a lot these days due to the multitude of wrong decisions being given out by umpires at present which just shows that bowlers are not being neglected completely.

The star batsmen (Virat Kohli, Steve Smith, Babar Azam.etc) have more fan following when compared to the star bowlers (Jasprit Bumrah, Mitchell Starc, Jofra Archer.etc). And in part they are right. It is the batsmen who attract the crowds, and not the bowlers. Even bowlers such as Brett Lee and Shoaib Akhtar couldn't change this. An ODI match, in which both teams score in excess of 350 will be much more well received by the crowd when compared to a match in which the average team score is 200-220.
Agreed. I enjoy watching an IPL match where both teams manage to score something above 180 when compared to a dull one with scores below 100. The batsmen are basically the forwards and quarterbacks of Cricket which is why I have no issues with them being favored more overall.
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