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Quote from: ene1980 on November 18, 2019, 06:48:01 PM

Quote from: Haunebu on November 18, 2019, 05:40:32 AM

I was never really a big fan of tests to begin with though I do know there is a certain section of Cricket fans who love it. Also, proper technique is a requirement in all formats.

It hard to be a fan of Test matches unless it is the Ashes, the rest of the matches are boring to be frank but i will not miss the Ashes as we have seen some of the best Test match cricket during that tournament in recent memories, if you are having good hand eye coordination and power you can go a long way in the shorter formats and you really do not need that much technique Wink

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One of the reasons why test cricket has become too boring is due to the fact that those matches in the sub-continent are being played on pitches which give zero assistance to the pace bowlers. We no longer have bowlers of the caliber of Dale Steyn, Glenn McGrath and Shoaib Akhtar. The role of the fast bowlers in cricket have been replaced by medium pacers such as Bumrah.

Another reason is that the gap between India and the rest of the teams have grown, and this makes any test involving India at home a boring affair. On the other hand, Ashes is interesting because it is played between two evenly matched sides. The decline of South Africa and West Indies is also not making things any better. They used to be strong test sides.

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Quote from: Haunebu on November 18, 2019, 05:40:32 AM

I was never really a big fan of tests to begin with though I do know there is a certain section of Cricket fans who love it. Also, proper technique is a requirement in all formats.

It hard to be a fan of Test matches unless it is the Ashes, the rest of the matches are boring to be frank but i will not miss the Ashes as we have seen some of the best Test match cricket during that tournament in recent memories, if you are having good hand eye coordination and power you can go a long way in the shorter formats and you really do not need that much technique Wink

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on November 17, 2019, 10:13:19 AM

You are spot on, you cannot learn the proper technique but starting to play cricket and your only intention is to smash the ball, you will fair in the T20 and T10 format and to an extent in ODI but proper technique is necessary for a batsman and without a good defense you cannot survive in Test cricket and i doubt in the future we will see a proper Test batsman as more importance is given to T20 format.

It is obvious that different formats are suitable for different players which is why teams usually have separate squads for each format. The truth is that I usually only watch T-20 matches these days and love them(Makes sense why it is being given more importance).

I was never really a big fan of tests to begin with though I do know there is a certain section of Cricket fans who love it. Also, proper technique is a requirement in all formats.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on November 17, 2019, 10:51:23 AM

There is no time for everyone to spend much time to watch sports as this is a really competitive world and it is good that the sport is evolving according to the situation and the fans are liking it and now a days you need extreme fitness to play these shorter format as you need to be a good fielder too as every runs counts and could impact the result.

I agree that time is now scarce with everyone. But even then, in my opinion T10 is just taking it too far. I don't think that 60 balls is enough for 11 players. With T20, there is still some time to build an innings. But in T10, you are expected to smash every ball for a four or a six. That will make the game too much monotonous. Although it is a bit longer, I would still prefer T20 over T10.

But the advantage with T10 is that you can have three matches in 6 hours, just like what they are doing at Abu Dhabi T10. The workload is reduced, and the players and the spectators are happy. The TV broadcasters are happy was well, as their revenue remains the same. It is too early to predict whether T10 will replace T20. I hope that doesn't happen.

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Quote from: Indymoney on November 17, 2019, 09:56:39 AM

First T-20 and now T-10 leagues are more attractive and helpful for players just because of this now we have very less test lover batsmen and in near future are going to lost them like Caronlina Parrots because these short formats helps in finances and fitness and more players will love in future even ICC trying to save test match future which is very hard day by day.

There is no time for everyone to spend much time to watch sports as this is a really competitive world and it is good that the sport is evolving according to the situation and the fans are liking it and now a days you need extreme fitness to play these shorter format as you need to be a good fielder too as every runs counts and could impact the result.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 17, 2019, 09:05:05 AM

I think Clement Kaliyar is talking about the main difference of Test format and Shorter format (T-20 and T-10). however i agree with your statement that T-20 format is much more entertaining for spectators but you can't deny the fact that there are hardly any T-20 specialist who can perform in the Test cricket.

You are spot on, you cannot learn the proper technique but starting to play cricket and your only intention is to smash the ball, you will fair in the T20 and T10 format and to an extent in ODI but proper technique is necessary for a batsman and without a good defense you cannot survive in Test cricket and i doubt in the future we will see a proper Test batsman as more importance is given to T20 format.

@ for everyone who mistook what i was trying to tell, i never argued that the shorter format is not entertaining, it is the best evolution and entertaining to the core and i talked about inter gender matches and for some of the tube lights, it was a pun intended and not a recomendation as that is the only variation that is not experimented as all the experiments are done already, T20, T10 and now day night Test matches.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on November 15, 2019, 11:48:25 AM

The shorter version of the game will not help in developing proper batsman for the longer version of the game and in the future we will not see legit batsman who are capable of batting for a longer period of time and even if the ICC promote these longer version it will not last longer if all the cricket boards emphasis on T20 as it is a cash cow and now we have T10, its funny how things changes rapidly in a short period.

Seriously? Entertainment and fun are the primary reasons why anyone watches these matches which is where the T-20 format is leagues ahead when compared to both ODI and test formats. T-20 format made Cricket a lot more entertaining for me and many others and we love it.

I think Clement Kaliyar is talking about the main difference of Test format and Shorter format (T-20 and T-10). however i agree with your statement that T-20 format is much more entertaining for spectators but you can't deny the fact that there are hardly any T-20 specialist who can perform in the Test cricket.

First T-20 and now T-10 leagues are more attractive and helpful for players just because of this now we have very less test lover batsmen and in near future are going to lost them like Caronlina Parrots because these short formats helps in finances and fitness and more players will love in future even ICC trying to save test match future which is very hard day by day.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on November 15, 2019, 11:48:25 AM

The shorter version of the game will not help in developing proper batsman for the longer version of the game and in the future we will not see legit batsman who are capable of batting for a longer period of time and even if the ICC promote these longer version it will not last longer if all the cricket boards emphasis on T20 as it is a cash cow and now we have T10, its funny how things changes rapidly in a short period.

Seriously? Entertainment and fun are the primary reasons why anyone watches these matches which is where the T-20 format is leagues ahead when compared to both ODI and test formats. T-20 format made Cricket a lot more entertaining for me and many others and we love it.

I think Clement Kaliyar is talking about the main difference of Test format and Shorter format (T-20 and T-10). however i agree with your statement that T-20 format is much more entertaining for spectators but you can't deny the fact that there are hardly any T-20 specialist who can perform in the Test cricket.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on November 15, 2019, 11:48:25 AM

The shorter version of the game will not help in developing proper batsman for the longer version of the game and in the future we will not see legit batsman who are capable of batting for a longer period of time and even if the ICC promote these longer version it will not last longer if all the cricket boards emphasis on T20 as it is a cash cow and now we have T10, its funny how things changes rapidly in a short period.

Seriously? Entertainment and fun are the primary reasons why anyone watches these matches which is where the T-20 format is leagues ahead when compared to both ODI and test formats. T-20 format made Cricket a lot more entertaining for me and many others and we love it.

Quote from: Juggy777 on November 16, 2019, 01:35:09 AM

I don’t think we will ever see a mixed gender match between any country, as there’s lots of things that can go horribly wrong in planning such a match. To give you’ll an example if in the heat of the moment a male player, pushes or abuses a female player for missing a catch then the very next day he would be called a racist and be portrayed as a villain. Also think of the injuries those females could get when they’ll be facing 140 or 150 kmph deliveries bowled at them.

This is pretty obvious and is the reason why majority of the sports around the world do not organize such events except for the minority like Volleyball etc.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on November 16, 2019, 01:35:09 AM

@Sithara007 I don’t think we will ever see a mixed gender match between any country, as there’s lots of things that can go horribly wrong in planning such a match. To give you’ll an example if in the heat of the moment a male player, pushes or abuses a female player for missing a catch then the very next day he would be called a racist and be portrayed as a villain. Also think of the injuries those females could get when they’ll be facing 140 or 150 kmph deliveries bowled at them.

Let's just keep politics out of cricket. When we mix politics with sports, it doesn't always gives the best outcome. Female empowerment is good... but cricket is not the domain where this should be implemented. BTW, I am glad with the growth in women's cricket. I heard that they are planning for a league similar to the IPL in India. Perhaps they should concentrate on that, rather than going for the mixed gender matches.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 15, 2019, 10:41:14 PM

The last thing that I would like to watch is a mixed gender match. Being a female, I would say that cricket is not one of the domains where females are capable of competing against the men.

But the basic question remains. Is it possible for a national level female player to compete against a club level male player (without any added advantage)?

@Sithara007 I don’t think we will ever see a mixed gender match between any country, as there’s lots of things that can go horribly wrong in planning such a match. To give you’ll an example if in the heat of the moment a male player, pushes or abuses a female player for missing a catch then the very next day he would be called a racist and be portrayed as a villain. Also think of the injuries those females could get when they’ll be facing 140 or 150 kmph deliveries bowled at them.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on November 15, 2019, 12:19:54 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 15, 2019, 11:54:57 AM

Obviously if you want to observe proper batting and bowling techniques, then you should watch test cricket. The strategy with T20 is monotonous. The batsmen try to smash as many runs as possible and they don't care much about building the innings or even to take singles and twos. But if that is what the fans want, then the ICC should listen to them.

I cannot call it the evolution of the game but it is good to see so many variation of the match and i think only in cricket you can find this much variation, Test matches, 4 day games, ODI, T20 and now T10 and none of the other sporting events have this kind of formats in a sport, the only thing missing here is mixed matches were ladies can play alongside men like we have in tennis mixed doubles Cheesy

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The last thing that I would like to watch is a mixed gender match. Being a female, I would say that cricket is not one of the domains where females are capable of competing against the men. The salary of the female players have risen by manifold over the past few years and they should be happy about it. Women's T20 leagues, such as the WBBL of Australia have propped up, employing a large number of female players.

But the basic question remains. Is it possible for a national level female player to compete against a club level male player (without any added advantage)? I have tried to watch a few of the WBBL matches, but I found them too boring. And in one instance, I stopped watching it, and switched to the Bradford Premier League match between New Farnley CC Vs Methley CC (in Youtube). And know what? I found the latter more exciting.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on November 15, 2019, 12:19:54 PM

I cannot call it the evolution of the game but it is good to see so many variation of the match and i think only in cricket you can find this much variation, Test matches, 4 day games, ODI, T20 and now T10 and none of the other sporting events have this kind of formats in a sport, the only thing missing here is mixed matches were ladies can play alongside men like we have in tennis mixed doubles Cheesy

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Nope. Mixed gender matches are not possible with cricket. If you want that, then there should be a rule that only women players would bowl against the women batsmen. Else they will get blown away by the raw pace of the male bowlers. Also, most of the women pacers have an average speed of around 110 kmph. That is almost the speed at which some of the male spinners bowl.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 15, 2019, 11:54:57 AM

Obviously if you want to observe proper batting and bowling techniques, then you should watch test cricket. The strategy with T20 is monotonous. The batsmen try to smash as many runs as possible and they don't care much about building the innings or even to take singles and twos. But if that is what the fans want, then the ICC should listen to them.

I cannot call it the evolution of the game but it is good to see so many variation of the match and i think only in cricket you can find this much variation, Test matches, 4 day games, ODI, T20 and now T10 and none of the other sporting events have this kind of formats in a sport, the only thing missing here is mixed matches were ladies can play alongside men like we have in tennis mixed doubles Cheesy

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 15, 2019, 10:47:44 AM

Ideally, the ICC should be having same set of rules for all the players from all the teams. He tampered the ball, and should have been handed over a minimum of one year suspension. On the other hand, his colleague (Dwayne Bravo) was trying to downplay the seriousness of the offense by saying that Pooran committed a silly mistake and should be forgiven. These sort of silly mistakes end up destroying the spirit of the game.

Match fixing and ball tampering should have harsh punishment because that could impact the game as well as the result of the match and millions are wagered in every match and that can cost you money and huge losses and that cannot be accepted, when Smith and Warner were suspended i thought it was harsh but the ground reality of considering everything that was appropriate but now when it comes to Pooran they are downplaying the event which is strange.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on November 15, 2019, 11:48:25 AM

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Nowadays cricket clubs mostly prefer the shorter version of the game, due to lack of time. However, Afghanistan do have a 4-day domestic tournament in which all the five regions take part. The domestic cricket is rapidly expanding there, thanks to the increased funding from the ICC (as per the latest revenue model, ACB will receive $5 million per year during 2017-23).

The shorter version of the game will not help in developing proper batsman for the longer version of the game and in the future we will not see legit batsman who are capable of batting for a longer period of time and even if the ICC promote these longer version it will not last longer if all the cricket boards emphasis on T20 as it is a cash cow and now we have T10, its funny how things changes rapidly in a short period.

Obviously if you want to observe proper batting and bowling techniques, then you should watch test cricket. The strategy with T20 is monotonous. The batsmen try to smash as many runs as possible and they don't care much about building the innings or even to take singles and twos. But if that is what the fans want, then the ICC should listen to them.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 13, 2019, 01:05:43 PM

Nowadays cricket clubs mostly prefer the shorter version of the game, due to lack of time. However, Afghanistan do have a 4-day domestic tournament in which all the five regions take part. The domestic cricket is rapidly expanding there, thanks to the increased funding from the ICC (as per the latest revenue model, ACB will receive $5 million per year during 2017-23).

The shorter version of the game will not help in developing proper batsman for the longer version of the game and in the future we will not see legit batsman who are capable of batting for a longer period of time and even if the ICC promote these longer version it will not last longer if all the cricket boards emphasis on T20 as it is a cash cow and now we have T10, its funny how things changes rapidly in a short period.

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No wonder they have some good players in the T20 format and they are able to beat some teams in the past and i hope the T20 would be more competitive than the ODI but West Indies also have a good team, waiting for their T20 series.

T20 starts tomorrow and West Indies have a set back as one of the players Pooran is banned for four T20Is for ball tampering in the last match. Afghanistan has much better team for T20 and i expect it to be more competitive than the ODI, Steve Smith and Warned was banned for ball tampering for a year if i am not mistaken and why such a lenient suspension for Pooran ?.

Ideally, the ICC should be having same set of rules for all the players from all the teams. He tampered the ball, and should have been handed over a minimum of one year suspension. On the other hand, his colleague (Dwayne Bravo) was trying to downplay the seriousness of the offense by saying that Pooran committed a silly mistake and should be forgiven. These sort of silly mistakes end up destroying the spirit of the game.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on November 13, 2019, 12:19:44 PM

If they are having 300 cricket clubs is it hard to find some good batsman among these players, they lack a good batsman in the team to perform consistently and i think all these clubs prefer T20 and hence they are good at the shorter format.

300 is still a very small number, when compared to the other countries. For example, in India you can find thousands of cricket clubs in any of the major cities, such as Delhi, Mumbai or Bangalore. Another thing is the quality. I am not sure about the quality of the game, including the pitches in which the matches are being played. As far as I know, there are only a handful of turf pitches in Afghanistan. However, many of these clubs travel to the neighboring Pakistan to take part in various competitions.

But earlier the Afghanistan team was more balanced. They had good pace bowlers such as Shapoor Zadran and Dawlat Zadran, and the opening duo of Mohammad Shahzad and Javed Ahmadi was skillful. Even in the spin department, they had more variety with the leg spin of Samiullah Shinwari. Now they are over-dependent on the spinners (Rashid Khan and Mujib ur Rahman) and in batting they are too much reliant on Mohammad Nabi and Asghar Afghan. And this has affected the team balance.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on November 13, 2019, 01:21:21 PM

No wonder they have some good players in the T20 format and they are able to beat some teams in the past and i hope the T20 would be more competitive than the ODI but West Indies also have a good team, waiting for their T20 series.

T20 starts tomorrow and West Indies have a set back as one of the players Pooran is banned for four T20Is for ball tampering in the last match. Afghanistan has much better team for T20 and i expect it to be more competitive than the ODI, Steve Smith and Warned was banned for ball tampering for a year if i am not mistaken and why such a lenient suspension for Pooran ?.

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